SteelCurtain
Footballguy
I'm heading to Tampa this weekend for work. Looking forward to running and sweating while I run in 85 degree temps.
Not joking. I love training in the heat.
Not joking. I love training in the heat.
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Brony
Footballguy
Change in AG birthday, or garden variety birthday? It matters.We're supposed to get a bunch of snow starting Friday night and continuing straight through into Saturday night. Happy birthday to me...
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Bigly.
We've got a few guys due to move up to 50-54, IIRC ( @The Iguana; @ChiefD; @Juxtatarot; @Brony). In October, I move to a true geriatric AG. Others with AG moves this year?
The Iguana
Footballguy
October
I'm a little sad... I have the Fort Ben HM on a Saturday and then turn 50 a few days later so I will be about as old as possible in my AG for that race.
Good news, is that I will then be 50 just in time for the Monumental in November and get to be one of the youngest 50 YOs in the 50-54 group!
gianmarco
Footballguy
My wife missed the HM this past year by 2 days. I move up in 1 more year.October
I'm a little sad... I have the Fort Ben HM on a Saturday and then turn 50 a few days later so I will be about as old as possible in my AG for that race.
Good news, is that I will then be 50 just in time for the Monumental in November and get to be one of the youngest 50 YOs in the 50-54 group!
gruecd
Footballguy
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ChiefD
Footballguy
Yep. I turned 50 in August.
Should allow me to finish in 110th place this year instead of 135th.
xulf
Footballguy
gruecd
Footballguy
Biggest benefit for me of turning age 45 will be a much easier NYCM qualifier if I decide that I ever want to do it again. Right now I need 2:58 for the full (almost there) or 1:25 for the half. At 45 it goes to 3:05/1:28.Worthless 43rd birthday tomorrow.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
I'm eyeing the 50 year old level. Its 3:14/1:32. That's my goal this fall so I can use it in 2021
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gruecd
Footballguy
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Actually, Chicago is the goal, but we all know the weather can be fickle there so I'll push to Monumental if need be.See you at Monumental...
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I didn't realize NY now had qualifying times, and wow, those are tighter than Boston's. How does NY end up with so many runners?
gruecd
Footballguy
gruecd
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
I have a dream of running under a 1:32 this year... might only be a dream. But the idea of being anywhere close to 3:14 seems nuts.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
and a metric TON of charity runners, myself included both times. plus the 12+1 for locals that race and volunteer.
NOTE this year is the 50th anniversary.
Osaurus
Footballguy
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SteelCurtain
Footballguy
I definitely think 1:32 is easier than 3:14 for me, but not much. 1:32 is 7 min mile......for 13.1. Not easy.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Do you wait until it locks onto GPS? If so, it shouldn't do that. If you aren't, get your watch started to run before you actually start. Should only take a few seconds.
The Iguana
Footballguy
I'm aware. I've stared at the pace charts a plenty. Trying to wrap my head around where I want to set my goals. I look at this page WAY TOO much. Trying to mentally prepare myself to tackle some goals as this year starts.
The Iguana
Footballguy
Does your watch have an indicator for having GPS "locked" in? It takes a little time from when you tell it you want to do an activity until it actually has acquired the signal. You should be able to tell it you are about to do an activity but not actually start the clock. It will/should acquire the signal within a minute or so and then you shouldn't have that problem.
What kind/model watch do you have?
The Iguana
Footballguy
Before I had my watch and I used my phone, it wouldn't indicate that the GPS was locked or not. I would get into the app and it would "look ready" but if I started running immediately, it wouldn't capture all of the run. If I turned it on and did a little stretching before starting, then it would capture the whole thing. If that makes sense. My watch I have now, I go into activities and tell it I'm about to run and the screen pops up red with a message that says "waiting for gps". Then turns green and tells me when it has locked in the signal.
belljr
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
This reads like a post of 50+ year old.No there is no gps lock indicator. Unless the vibration means that
belljr
Footballguy
I do this. I start the strava app. Hit outdoor run.
Walk down the driveway. Then start running.
I thought it would be ready by then
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gianmarco
Footballguy
I have a galaxy watch. I took off the Strava app because it was garbage but I can reinstall and find out. I'm pretty sure, however, you just have to wait for GPS lock. It might take a minute and it'll either vibrate or show on the screen.
belljr
Footballguy
Wait . Then what do use to update strava? I'll gladly switch apps. Thought I had to use it and I don't love it
Anyway the GPS lock is on the select activity screen not on the pace/distance screen. At least I don't notice an icon. But I did now notice it on the activity screen. So if I wait for it on that screen I should be good. Lol. Not like I can really read it without reading glasses....
Lol what an idiot
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gianmarco
Footballguy
I have a Garmin watch. The Galaxy watch was garbage for HR and it didn't have a Strava app when I first had it too. I use that as my daily wear watch for everything else. The Garmin is for running and works like it's supposed to. The Garmin connect syncs with Strava automatically.
Before I had all that, I went the @MAC_32 method and ran with my phone, using Strava on that.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
Just found out Samsung health can sync to strava. Might try that on the watch, just to compare.
Best part it has big numbers!!!!
forget Toby
look how small the distance and time run is!!!!! And you can't switch it
https://imgur.com/lcNi9kh
Best part it has big numbers!!!!
forget Toby
look how small the distance and time run is!!!!! And you can't switch it
https://imgur.com/lcNi9kh
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Please forgive the very long post.
I know I'm almost assuredly getting ahead of myself, but this has easily been my best 6 weeks of running and looking at the data yesterday made me reevaluate where I am and what I should do when #### gets real in another 2 months. In particular, my 2 workouts the last 2 days helped put some things in perspective for me. So, here goes.
As I've already mentioned in the thread, my wife's marathon is the priority to get her a BQ. And she's serious about getting it. I read the Hanson's book as recommended by a few of you and she's reading it now and will be finished shortly. She's buying in and will be going with that plan. There's a lot about it I like but it's a lot of miles for both of us to do as I've mentioned so I just don't think I can join in with it.
I was going to do Higdon's novice 2 marathon plan (it is my first one anyway) which is simply running Tu/Wed/Thur mileage with some of them being an MP run and then long run on the weekend. It's pretty straightforward and if I added mileage on the other weekend day, I'd be running 30-35 mpw. I would hope it would allow me to finish the race but I've been reading various marathon accounts and seeing a number of people that things didn't go well for them using that plan.
Plus, I've been averaging 40 mpw and feeling good with it and wondering if that would be more of a step back for me than what I'm already doing. So, perhaps I can target the same 8:45 pacing for the marathon that she is based on where I'm at, especially if I can get this HM done at 8:15 pace in a couple months, which I think I can.
Doing some reading, it seems most everyone that took jumps from previous marathons either added speed work and/or upped their mileage. Both of those are included in Hanson's, but again, the mileage is just so high at ~50mpw for most of it.
I looked again at the Run Less/Run Faster plan that I linked to a while ago when I first signed up for the marathon. It's less mileage but has the speed work built in. It's based on 3 workouts/week: 1 speed day/1 tempo run/1 long run. I like the idea of that. But still, the mileage is lacking at an average of 25 mpw. So when they say to cross train, I'd rather just run 4-5 easy recovery miles in place of those. Doing that puts the mileage ~40 mpw for all but 4 weeks that peak at 45. That seems ideal and doable. And it feels like it would better prepare me overall as well.
I also like these speed workouts and tempo runs as they are described. Which is where these last 2 workouts that I just did tie in. All the runs are based on a 10K race pace. My 10K pace is 7:45 (ran that race 1 year ago when in good shape). Based on that,
1) All those speed workouts are run at 7:00 pace. In the past, I've done most speed workouts faster than that so that feels very doable. They are also different every week which I like.
2) All the tempo runs are at 8:00 pace, which is what I just did 5 miles at. All but one of them is 5 miles or less (most are 2-4 miles). So again, I know I can get these done.
3) Almost all the long runs are at 9:00-9:45 pace which again I just did yesterday. A couple near the end are at MP and 10 miles long, which is like Hanson's tempo runs. I like that. Plus, the long runs are all 13 miles or less except for a 14mi, 16mi, 18mi, and a 20mi. That appeals to me much more. The Higdon has 4 runs of 17+ which is a lot, I think, especially after reading Hanson's. Considering I've already gotten a couple 15 milers done, I just need to worry about the 18 and the 20. Again, I feel like I can get these done.
I feel like doing this gives me a little bit of everything I'm looking for. Ideal mileage (~40 mpw). Speedwork at a challenging but still doable pace. Tempo runs at a manageable distance and pace. Some long runs, but not too many for too long. Multiple runs to dial in race pace.
Certainly fatigue will set in but I feel like I'm putting myself in a position right now to deal with that. And schedule-wise, I still do those workouts on the same days I was already planning (and take either Monday or Friday off). I can always audible and take an extra day off to keep mileage ~35 as well.
Anyway, here is the plan, but put in 4-5 slow miles where it says to cross-train. I feel like this gives me the chance to hit my wife's goal while still being able to dial it back and run it safely if I need to scale back.
That said, I'm creating my own plan and having never trained for one before, that makes me a little nervous. I've followed along what some of you have done for all your marathon training and I'm trying to incorporate things that are important. Anything I'm missing or overlooking? Overly ambitious? Way too early to consider? Let me have it.
ETA -- Part of why I'm asking now is if I'm not going to do speedwork for the marathon training, then I'll do more of it these next 2 months. But if do go with this other plan, then I'm not going to do much more speed work and just run mostly easy/slower miles so I don't overdo it.
I know I'm almost assuredly getting ahead of myself, but this has easily been my best 6 weeks of running and looking at the data yesterday made me reevaluate where I am and what I should do when #### gets real in another 2 months. In particular, my 2 workouts the last 2 days helped put some things in perspective for me. So, here goes.
As I've already mentioned in the thread, my wife's marathon is the priority to get her a BQ. And she's serious about getting it. I read the Hanson's book as recommended by a few of you and she's reading it now and will be finished shortly. She's buying in and will be going with that plan. There's a lot about it I like but it's a lot of miles for both of us to do as I've mentioned so I just don't think I can join in with it.
I was going to do Higdon's novice 2 marathon plan (it is my first one anyway) which is simply running Tu/Wed/Thur mileage with some of them being an MP run and then long run on the weekend. It's pretty straightforward and if I added mileage on the other weekend day, I'd be running 30-35 mpw. I would hope it would allow me to finish the race but I've been reading various marathon accounts and seeing a number of people that things didn't go well for them using that plan.
Plus, I've been averaging 40 mpw and feeling good with it and wondering if that would be more of a step back for me than what I'm already doing. So, perhaps I can target the same 8:45 pacing for the marathon that she is based on where I'm at, especially if I can get this HM done at 8:15 pace in a couple months, which I think I can.
Doing some reading, it seems most everyone that took jumps from previous marathons either added speed work and/or upped their mileage. Both of those are included in Hanson's, but again, the mileage is just so high at ~50mpw for most of it.
I looked again at the Run Less/Run Faster plan that I linked to a while ago when I first signed up for the marathon. It's less mileage but has the speed work built in. It's based on 3 workouts/week: 1 speed day/1 tempo run/1 long run. I like the idea of that. But still, the mileage is lacking at an average of 25 mpw. So when they say to cross train, I'd rather just run 4-5 easy recovery miles in place of those. Doing that puts the mileage ~40 mpw for all but 4 weeks that peak at 45. That seems ideal and doable. And it feels like it would better prepare me overall as well.
I also like these speed workouts and tempo runs as they are described. Which is where these last 2 workouts that I just did tie in. All the runs are based on a 10K race pace. My 10K pace is 7:45 (ran that race 1 year ago when in good shape). Based on that,
1) All those speed workouts are run at 7:00 pace. In the past, I've done most speed workouts faster than that so that feels very doable. They are also different every week which I like.
2) All the tempo runs are at 8:00 pace, which is what I just did 5 miles at. All but one of them is 5 miles or less (most are 2-4 miles). So again, I know I can get these done.
3) Almost all the long runs are at 9:00-9:45 pace which again I just did yesterday. A couple near the end are at MP and 10 miles long, which is like Hanson's tempo runs. I like that. Plus, the long runs are all 13 miles or less except for a 14mi, 16mi, 18mi, and a 20mi. That appeals to me much more. The Higdon has 4 runs of 17+ which is a lot, I think, especially after reading Hanson's. Considering I've already gotten a couple 15 milers done, I just need to worry about the 18 and the 20. Again, I feel like I can get these done.
I feel like doing this gives me a little bit of everything I'm looking for. Ideal mileage (~40 mpw). Speedwork at a challenging but still doable pace. Tempo runs at a manageable distance and pace. Some long runs, but not too many for too long. Multiple runs to dial in race pace.
Certainly fatigue will set in but I feel like I'm putting myself in a position right now to deal with that. And schedule-wise, I still do those workouts on the same days I was already planning (and take either Monday or Friday off). I can always audible and take an extra day off to keep mileage ~35 as well.
Anyway, here is the plan, but put in 4-5 slow miles where it says to cross-train. I feel like this gives me the chance to hit my wife's goal while still being able to dial it back and run it safely if I need to scale back.
That said, I'm creating my own plan and having never trained for one before, that makes me a little nervous. I've followed along what some of you have done for all your marathon training and I'm trying to incorporate things that are important. Anything I'm missing or overlooking? Overly ambitious? Way too early to consider? Let me have it.
ETA -- Part of why I'm asking now is if I'm not going to do speedwork for the marathon training, then I'll do more of it these next 2 months. But if do go with this other plan, then I'm not going to do much more speed work and just run mostly easy/slower miles so I don't overdo it.
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ChiefD
Footballguy
The Iguana
Footballguy
@gianmarco just 2 things you have to do/ remember:
1. K.I.S.S.
2. RF; DBAP!
I actually have some non smartass thoughts but on my phone now. I'm sure people smarter than me will have better advice than my thoughts but I'll probably give you mine in the morning anyway!
1. K.I.S.S.
2. RF; DBAP!
I actually have some non smartass thoughts but on my phone now. I'm sure people smarter than me will have better advice than my thoughts but I'll probably give you mine in the morning anyway!
tri-man 47
Footballguy
@belljr - my prior Garmin took a while to lock in, so as I finished getting ready, I'd activate the watch and set it on a windowsill so it could pick up the signal. I'd then strap it on as I walked out the door.
@gianmarco - you know, I'm starting to miss the old days of @The Iguana's marathon training angst.
As I believe I've advocated before, given the limitations you face for time and scheduling, don't get hung up on specific training schedules (IMO). Get the miles in that you can; do some long runs; do some tempo; and if you can't do speed/intervals, just remember that hills are often described as "intervals in disguise." If it's 3-4 days a week, then just make that work for you. For shorter runs, make use of the hills nearby. "Double up" on long runs by adding in tempo near the end or making them progression runs. See where you're at in early July and plan your race accordingly!
@gianmarco - you know, I'm starting to miss the old days of @The Iguana's marathon training angst.
As I believe I've advocated before, given the limitations you face for time and scheduling, don't get hung up on specific training schedules (IMO). Get the miles in that you can; do some long runs; do some tempo; and if you can't do speed/intervals, just remember that hills are often described as "intervals in disguise." If it's 3-4 days a week, then just make that work for you. For shorter runs, make use of the hills nearby. "Double up" on long runs by adding in tempo near the end or making them progression runs. See where you're at in early July and plan your race accordingly! 
-OZ-
Footballguy
bushdocda
Footballguy
I know you know to keep doing what you’re doing volume wise. You are stating you’ll not be able to do higher mileage plan. Does that mean you’ll be running less during ‘on plan’ than current 40ish? Keep that volume as best you can and be careful trying to add more workouts in the condense in more quality. I don’t think it’s a bad idea totally but perhaps work up to multiple weekly faster workouts gradually (1 per week for a few) and not right to 2 (speed and tempo you describe) to acclimate.
Strides in you base work couple time a week would help prep you for the workouts to come and are fun at the end of runs. I bought into that hill strides are safer than flat when getting used to them to guard against too fast too soon.
Anyway I am cautious as you know but I worry most about aggravating something early on in your cycle with a burst out of the gate on a condensed mileage approach.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
I have a semi-serious question that one of you nerds fine fellas may be able to answer...
A long time ago I was in a car accident. Nothing super serious but I did have a bulding disc. It really derailed my in shapeness for a while.
And i was a little concerned about running again because if I do over do it pressure builds up in my back. In the past my doctor would put me on a table and basically twist me in half and my spine and hip would realign and i would feel great again for a little while.
Anyway - running now - somedays I can feel that pressure built up in my back/spine again.
I semi regularly stretch to help ( it the one thing I've been consistent with even being a fat *******). I do pidgeon, scorpion, (whatever the stretch is that you tak your right leg cross over your body touch the floor waist high while your back stays flat), and the door jam stretch.
Anyone else have something similar or a way to maybe alleviate some of the pressure? without me having to do to the doctor
A long time ago I was in a car accident. Nothing super serious but I did have a bulding disc. It really derailed my in shapeness for a while.
And i was a little concerned about running again because if I do over do it pressure builds up in my back. In the past my doctor would put me on a table and basically twist me in half and my spine and hip would realign and i would feel great again for a little while.
Anyway - running now - somedays I can feel that pressure built up in my back/spine again.
I semi regularly stretch to help ( it the one thing I've been consistent with even being a fat *******). I do pidgeon, scorpion, (whatever the stretch is that you tak your right leg cross over your body touch the floor waist high while your back stays flat), and the door jam stretch.
Anyone else have something similar or a way to maybe alleviate some of the pressure? without me having to do to the doctor
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Disclosure - I was a lot younger when this happened, but I was in a fairly significant car accident Sr. year of high school. I sorta did physical therapy (back), but never bought in and I think it contributed to my never getting back into shape again that year. For years after I'd go through periods of getting back into shape, but eventually hit a barrier and my back would say to take some time off. After years of doing the same #### and expecting something different a friend of mine convinced me to take up pilates, incorporate it in with what I'm doing in the weight room, pounding pavement, and whatever other sports I was doing at that time.
At first it was just once per week, but as time went by I began to both feel and perform better. So I started doing twice per week. I sustained it for months. I eventually stopped, but I've noticed its concepts have stuck with me in all facets of my life since. Notably wrt posture; alignment. When I'm lifting weights, running, sitting here in my office right now - everything. My back still aches from time-to-time, but it's usually just a product of higher stress periods - whether that stress is via exercise or normal real life stuff. But those aches aren't hindering what I do in exercise like when I was younger. It's just my sign to back it off a notch.
Those stretches you mentioned are probably a good thing, but I personally benefited from being exposed to many different kinds by a certified instructor who would help (and make fun of) me when I wasn't doing it right or didn't understand what she was telling me to do.
pbm107
Footballguy
I am all for planning and following a schedule, but to me this is the most important part (feeling good). As far as I can tell from Strava you have never run more than 40 miles in a week until a few weeks ago, so you are entering uncharted territory. You're doing great so far, but remember that you're already asking your body to do more than it has before.
I love what you're doing and your plan looks good to me, just wanted to remind you to be careful as you prepare to make your leap.
