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Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

Team member ....projected ....actual

Team Juxt: Cap'n Juxt..17:22
MAC...............16:59 .....16:59
Dr. Z................20:20 .....19:45
SteelCurtain...21:20 .....20:00
tri-man............21:45 .....21:04
xulf..................21:50 .....20:09
Zasada............21:55.....20:22
JAA..................22:10.....20:54
Iquana.............22:49 ....21:40
El Floppo.........23:00 ....23:51 (but adjust slightly for distance?)
AlexPKeaton...26:00
SFBayDuck......29:59 .....DNS

Team Grue: Cap'n Grue..18:10
pbm.................18:00 .....18:04
Harris...............19:45
Brony................20:25 .....21:39
Oz.....................21:40 .....20:07
bushdocta........21:30 .....20:19
gianmarco........22:00 .....22:14
mrs. gian..........22:30
Say What?........22:30
JShare..............24:00 .....DNS
ChiefD...............25:30 ....22:34
BassnBrew.......30:00 .....DNS

 
Team member ....projected ....actual

Team Juxt: Cap'n Juxt..17:22
MAC...............16:59 .....16:59
Dr. Z................20:20 .....19:45
SteelCurtain...21:20 .....20:00
tri-man............21:45 .....21:04
xulf..................21:50 .....20:09
Zasada............21:55.....20:22
JAA..................22:10.....20:54
Iquana.............22:49 ....21:40
El Floppo.........23:00 ....23:51 (but adjust slightly for distance?)
AlexPKeaton...26:00
SFBayDuck......29:59 .....DNS

Team Grue: Cap'n Grue..18:10
pbm.................18:00 .....18:04
Harris...............19:45
Brony................20:25 .....21:39
Oz.....................21:40 .....20:07
bushdocta........21:30 .....20:19
gianmarco........22:00 .....22:14
mrs. gian..........22:30
Say What?........22:30
JShare..............24:00 .....DNS
ChiefD...............25:30 ....22:34
BassnBrew.......30:00 .....DNS
My actuarial brain isn’t good at math with real numbers.  What time do I need to go put up?

 
Per my calculations, if you can beat your 26:00 by a little bit - say, 25:40 (8:20/mile) - we'll be OK.  Do you have some 8:00-8:15 miles in ya?

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Mrs APK just said "oh, you can't possibly run that fast."   She knows how I'm motivated......just need to hear "you can't do this."

We'll see how it goes tomorrow.   Hurdle #1:  I've never used Strava before.   Solution:   use Strava for a very light jog this afternoon.

 
no.

or at least re-explain that entire sentence or walk me through exactly what you need me to do. strava is new to me.
Click on your name/picture. To the right, in a column, you'll see your new stats from today. There's a link that says refresh stats. Click it.

You have to do this from a desktop, not the Strava app.

 
Mrs APK just said "oh, you can't possibly run that fast."   She knows how I'm motivated......just need to hear "you can't do this."

We'll see how it goes tomorrow.   Hurdle #1:  I've never used Strava before.   Solution:   use Strava for a very light jog this afternoon.
When did CC become such a Negative Nelly?   :rolleyes:

 
When did CC become such a Negative Nelly?   :rolleyes:
LOL.   Mrs APK really does know that it is highly motivating when others doubt me.  So she throws that stuff out there mostly as a joke.

Side story that hopefully others can appreciate:

The backdrop here is that Mrs APK knows tri-man IRL.   She was an auditor, and one of her clients was tri-man + his employer.   At some point they were trading notes on life, the FBG board somehow got brought up, my wife spilled my identify and tri-man and I got connected.    Immediately, my reaction was "uh, Mrs APK, I'm kind of a #### on the board sometimes.  Hopefully this isn't one of the people I've insulted repeatedly."    

Anyway, fast forward to today.  So Mrs APK already knows tri-man.   She and I are out for a walk early afternoon, and I say "oh yeah, your buddy tri-man just dropped a fast time in this relay."   She asks what his time was, I tell her, and here is her exact response:  "is it frustrating or humbling that someone way older than you can run so much faster than you?"   My first reaction:  😡😡😡

My second reaction:   "wait....did you just find a way to insult both of us in the same sentence?!?!?   tri-man isn't THAT old....."

Yeah.   Good times.

 
Jogged about a mile to my planned start, which was along a busy road, but with sidewalks (and no business traffic this early and the pandemic).  A benefit of the starting point was a side road right there that paralleled a wooded area, so I was able to duck into the woods, as planned, for a final, pre-race pee. 


I started out on a sidewalk for about ¼ mile. The rest would be streets. One of my biggest fears was there would be someone walking a dog, I’d have to veer off into the grass and I’d stumble and fall. 
^^^Great minds think alike.

FBG Virtual 5K

I was preparing to not be able to run today, but fueled (banana, hard boiled egg, and oatmeal) like I would anyway. If we got enough snow melt I wanted to do this today for a variety of reasons. My decision didn't really settle in until 11-something, but as the sun was finally breaking through the clouds it was becoming evident that at least the streets would be cleared of snow by early afternoon. So I proceeded with my pre race routine - shower and a shave, some dry honey nut cherrios and an apple, grabbed everything I needed and went for a drive to scout out the course.

I specifically chose a route that started right by a heavily wooded park area (@tri-man 47>hi) for one last final pre-race pee. I also chose to do the first 1/4 mile on sidewalk with a gentle decline, but would be doing the rest on a shoulder. I wanted a couple of minutes to find my pacing, but I didn't want to deal with too much of the potential hazards that come with trying to run fast on a sidewalk (@Juxtatarot>hi). I went with a tank, shorts, compression socks, and gloves. It was mid 40's and mostly sunny with a crisp west wind - so I chose a headband that kinda covered my ears, but with some room to breathe so I didn't get too hot. I dumped a throwaway long sleeve shirt 2 minutes before the gun, popped in the cherry dum-dum, and I was off.

The point-to-point route I chose was intentionally (almost) straight as an arrow going east, as one of the reasons I wanted today was a west wind. That portion on the sidewalk dropped about 40' and as it neared to the end I peaked at my watch and saw 5:04. Beautiful! I wanted to start off hot, just not any number that started with a 4. I made my way to the street knowing I would lose some time as the route flattened out and I figured out how to sustain the stride with new obstacles ahead. The next half mile was pancake flat and the one-way road was two lane, so any cars coming my way had a lane to move over into but I still needed to navigate a problem I knew I'd run into through my scouting - standing water. The snow may have melted, but it was still pooled up on the side of the road. And while this particular road has room on the shoulder - it's a hard shoulder so there's no veering off it. You're either two feet on the shoulder or jump up into the grass., so I needed to keep my head on a swivel looking ahead when I got to these pools to see what i needed to do to best avoid them as much as possible. Because this is where another obstacle appeared - a roundabout (@ChiefD>hi). So like I said, a lot going on here, but whenever I could peak at my watch I did and kept seeing 5:1X so I was in a good spot. I get through the roundabout onto a less traveled road and look down - 0.86 mi 5:18. FANTASTIC! I wanted mile 1 to clip off around 5:20, so getting to that point knowing I would was a big confidence boost.

Mile 1 - 5:20 (HR not accurate)

But if I lost some time in this race it was here. One of the others draws to the course (other than the wind) was some pretty good down hill at the start of this mile then again towards the end of it, kinda like how juxt plotted out his map to have decline mile 2. But unlike tri-man, I intentionally picked this route because of a little incline in between. I did this because of what Dr. Z said here.

I feel like 2nd mile is always key for me in a 5K – it’s so easy to lose your focus and unintentionally let your time slip. 
I wanted that incline to grab my attention, to prevent me from losing focus. Then as it flattened out I'd recalibrate and see what I gotta do, so I peaked at my watch again - 1.39 mi @ 5:39?!?! WTF did I do!!! My internal monologue at the time thought maybe I was struggling, but with hind sight despite laying out the course to prevent it I took it too easy on the first quarter mile decline. So my margin of error for sub 17 was now gone and I needed to HTFU. I made some of the time back up over the rest of this mile and made it through the one remaining risky intersection without incident.

Mile 2 - 5:29 (HR 163)

Alright, its go time. Sub 17 is going to be a chore, but it can be done. Mile 3 drops about 60 more feet in the first half mile, but knowing what lies beyond I knew I needed to attack. But I also made a decision at that time not to look at my watch again. I didn't want that influencing any decisions - the only decisions from this moment forward were to #### some #### up. I felt like a borderline out of control elephant careening down that hill, so I knew there wasn't much left in my legs. As it flattened out I found a spot to ditch my gloves. I had been warm for some time, but I wanted to save that refreshing relief right before I began the last half mile - which was intentionally 60' uphill. If I'm doing a 150' net decline 5K then I'm punishing myself with an incline finish. I made the comment the other day that I felt I didn't give an A effort on the March 10K and I was not going to repeat that again. No matter how bad this hurt I was going to stay focused, sustain whatever I had left, and embrace the suck. I tipped over a 170 HR at mile 2.75 and it didn't go below that number again. I know I've only been watch running for 2 1/2 months but I've never done that. I was light headed, wanted to vomit, and had trouble keeping my vision. It doesn't matter - #### some #### up. I felt the buzz of mile 3 but I refused to look down. Go faster, you #####. The traffic light ahead that mapped out to exactly 3.1 miles that I had a visual on for a mile was finally within reach, but it just felt like I could not get there. I really don't remember any of this - I just remember thinking everything hurts and I want to die. But I finally got there, looked down, saw 3.11, hit stop, took 2 steps to the left, and just fell down on the ground.

Mile 3 - 5:36 (HR 167)

Mile 0.1 - 5:37 pace (HR 172)

Unofficial official time - 16:59

I did it. I ####### did it. To the mother ####### number. Now, where's my beer.

 
Anyway, fast forward to today.  So Mrs APK already knows tri-man.   She and I are out for a walk early afternoon, and I say "oh yeah, your buddy tri-man just dropped a fast time in this relay."   She asks what his time was, I tell her, and here is her exact response:  "is it frustrating or humbling that someone way older than you can run so much faster than you?"   My first reaction:  😡😡😡

My second reaction:   "wait....did you just find a way to insult both of us in the same sentence?!?!?   tri-man isn't THAT old....."

Yeah.   Good times.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

But yes, I am.

 
I did it. I ####### did it. To the mother ####### number. Now, where's my beer.
Dude you are just a freaking beast.  Running miles at a pace that I think are fast KMs.  Great RR, and epic race.  

Hopefully you're drinking from a MFing Oktoberfest 1L stein right now.

 
I find this quite amazing. My cadence today was 195.  @MAC_32 's was 170.  It's like he's leaping with every step.
Near the end of my run when I was trying to increase my pace with stride length and not cadence, I totally had @MAC_32's Strava avatar pic in my head.  He looks like he's flying in that photo, and I'm telling myself, RUN LIKE THAT BMF @MAC_32.  I kid you not. 

@MAC_32 has an insane crazy stride length.  By my math, 1.73 meters on this race??? HFS.

 
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So, I think we are faced with 2 dilemmas here.  Each on different teams.  And I think we should leave it up to the captains to decide how to handle it if they can agree.  @gruecd and @Juxtatarot

@Brony's watch doesn't seem to have worked correctly.  Per the comment on Strava, the route he ran is more like 3.5 miles.  Now, if there's any way to confirm that at all, then I think we can try and find a way to adjust it, even if it's just splitting the difference.  I know one way to try is for Brony to go on Strava from a desktop and under the distance at the top right, there's a link called "distance (?)" that you can click on.  It will adjust the distance based on the measured distance on a map if there are GPS inconsistencies.  Maybe try that and see if it helps?  Either way, though, if he really ran anything close 3.5 miles, then he ran a sub 20 minute 5K and deserves credit for that despite a malfunctioning watch.

@El Floppo made a last minute adjustment and ran today with little notice (his fault, but yeah).  It's clear he was running a certain pace until the 3 mile mark and I'm sure we can agree he could have finished the last 1/10th of a mile at a similar pace it seemed but he was walking due to being in an unfamiliar territory.  Now, it's currently showing his 5K time at 23:40 on his profile page.  However, at exactly 22:12 he hit the 3 mile mark.  That's a 7:24 pace.  If we move that to 3.1 miles, it comes to exactly 23:00 which was his predicted time. 

In the interest of doing the right thing and crediting these guys going out there instead of them trying to run again and hurt themselves, what's the best way to fix these 2?

ETA -- Brony just did an interval workout a week ago that was 4.5 miles in length at 7:15 pace with an obvious cooldown at slower speed at the end for part of it.  Surely we know he has more than 6:57 pace at a shorter distance in a race effort. 

 
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Edit to add: It is really enjoyable to be able to bust your guys balls around here and vice versa. This is a unique thread on the internet where I consider you guys friends, so its nice to have a place to be able to do that where guys don't get their panties in a wad.

Seriously, this is awesome man. :thumbup:

 
So, I think we are faced with 2 dilemmas here.  And I think we should leave it up to the captains to decide how to handle it if they can agree.  @gruecd and @Juxtatarot

@Brony's watch doesn't seem to have worked correctly.  Per the comment on Strava, the route he ran is more like 3.5 miles.  Now, if there's any way to confirm that at all, then I think we can try and find a way to adjust it, even if it's just splitting the difference.  I know one way to try is for Brony to go on Strava from a desktop and under the distance at the top right, there's a link called "distance (?)" that you can click on.  It will adjust the distance based on the measured distance on a map if there are GPS inconsistencies.  Maybe try that and see if it helps?  Either way, though, if he really ran anything close 3.5 miles, then he ran a sub 20 minute 5K and deserves credit for that despite a malfunctioning watch.

@El Floppo made a last minute adjustment and ran today with little notice (his fault, but yeah).  It's clear he was running a certain pace until the 3 mile mark and I'm sure we can agree he could have finished the last 1/10th of a mile at a similar pace it seemed but he was walking due to being in an unfamiliar territory.  Now, it's currently showing his 5K time at 23:40 on his profile page.  However, at exactly 22:12 he hit the 3 mile mark.  That's a 7:24 pace.  If we move that to 3.1 miles, it comes to exactly 23:00 which was his predicted time. 

In the interest of doing the right thing and crediting these guys going out there instead of them trying to run again and hurt themselves, what's the best way to fix these 2?
I support both adjustments.  Another option for Brony is to use mapmyrun. I used it planning my route and it matched GPS perfectly.

 
Edit to add: It is really enjoyable to be able to bust your guys balls around here and vice versa. This is a unique thread on the internet where I consider you guys friends, so its nice to have a place to be able to do that where guys don't get their panties in a wad.
Maybe the rest of the guys are cool with it, but I already de-friended you on FB for that little quip about me being being Juxt's #####...  :hot:

 
If we use @Brony's time of 22:03 for 3.5 miles, that comes out to 6:18 pace.  That's a 19:33 5K time. 

Will plug those corrected numbers in for them but then let Brony figure out his route and actual distance on mapmyrun and see what the actual number is.

 
thanks gianmarco for considering the adjustment.

I'm still frustrated with myself for getting so frazzled in that moment... clearly a factor of not having pushed the HR into those areas in... probably a decade. but the cabin-fever and age and being self-conscious about being a NYer in a place where it's been made clear we're not wanted... all played into it. like I said- I've physically bonked before... but this was almost like a mental/emotional breakdown more than a physical one (not to say my previous bonks didn't include those features... but we're always precipitated by the physical going first and foremost). 

I'm still going to give it a go tomorrow and if the crew is cool with it, I'll take you up on the adjusted time if my body (or fragile and soggy brain) can't handle race pace two days in a row. 

 
For the zoom tonight, can someone send me the mtg info?  My virtual date night starts 730est. I’d love to hop on if folks are still going and my wife virtually passes out. 

 
With so many guys around the 20-21 mark, there should be some intense (yet friendly) competition in the 10K.
Absolutely.  I ran 39:09 last November.  McMillan's calculator says that my 18:10 translates to 37:44 at my current fitness level.  #### that noise.

 
thanks gianmarco for considering the adjustment.

I'm still frustrated with myself for getting so frazzled in that moment... clearly a factor of not having pushed the HR into those areas in... probably a decade. but the cabin-fever and age and being self-conscious about being a NYer in a place where it's been made clear we're not wanted... all played into it. like I said- I've physically bonked before... but this was almost like a mental/emotional breakdown more than a physical one (not to say my previous bonks didn't include those features... but we're always precipitated by the physical going first and foremost). 

I'm still going to give it a go tomorrow and if the crew is cool with it, I'll take you up on the adjusted time if my body (or fragile and soggy brain) can't handle race pace two days in a row. 
Dude, don't be so hard on yourself.  You've been through a lot.  No need to kill yourself trying to race again tomorrow.  Everybody is cool with the adjustment.

 
Watch had me at 6:50 at first mile when I had to be under 6:25.  Throw off my whole mojo.  Thanks for suggesting Lap Pace guys!!!

 
I changed mine to a 20:20.  I can't own a sub-20 time based on how things went out there today.   I'm positive I was less than 21 minutes and 20:20 is a realistic projection based on how I was moving. 

 

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