Ran a 10k - Official Thread (5 Viewers)

[gruecd]

So I did a thing. Added 4.4 bonus miles (8.4 miles total) to the end of leg #11 so that I’ll have 52.4 total miles (two full marathons) after doing my last 4-miler at 1pm.

Pushed the pace a bit and did the 8.4 miles at 7:32 pace. Naturally HR was a little higher (142) given the faster pace and cumulative sleep deficit.

 

[JAA]

You swam 5m?!

Somebody gave you just a little bit of wrong info about IMs gb

You swam 5 miles in your IM?

No. Two years ago I swam 5miles across Oneida Lake

Last year I did IM Mont Tremblant

 

[JAA]

Update with two legs to go:

5pm - 7:46/mile, 133 AHR

9pm - 7:50/mile, 129 AHR

1am - 7:58/mile, 125 AHR

5am - 7:50/mile, 125 AHR

Kinda weird.  I don't feel like I'm working any harder than what the low HRs suggest, and yet I don't feel like I can go a ton faster.  Is this kinda like what @JAA was talking about yesterday?

If you felt like you were trying hard but you can’t get your HR up as much as you try.

Regardless - you are in BMF territory, HR doesn’t matter to you. Your veins are full of the beets

 

[JAA]

Well, I'm struggling here a bit and need some advice/feedback on what I need to do going forward.

My fitness hasn't returned anywhere near as quickly as I would have hoped.  Granted, I've taken it somewhat slowly coming back to be safe, but still.  I'll get to my run later today in a bit, but if I do my planned 7-8 mile run this morning, I'll be at 25 for this week which was my goal. 

Last night's run was awful, both physically and mentally.  Worst run I've had in a long, long, long time.  I went out for 5 miles in the evening and it was a struggle from start to finish.  My legs don't feel quite right.  I'm nervous with every step I'm taking to make sure I'm landing right which makes it worse.  My ankle is starting to ache a little for trying to overcorrect a bit.  It's just not good.  On top of that, my HR has been so high lately and last night's heat and humidity (for the first time yet this year) made it all the worse.  I wanted to turn around and go home so many times.  I just feel like I'm still a bit away from having any level of fitness and even still not even approaching where I was.  I should be starting week 7 of 18 for marathon training and I can try and start it this week but I'm not sure how it's going to go. 

For the first time ever I thought of bailing on this marathon.  I just don't see how I'm going to be ready realistically.  Which, as I'm thinking of all this, is just making everything during the run much worse mentally.  I have so little interest to get out now because it just doesn't feel good when I do and don't feel like I'm making progress.  My HR was stupid high for such a slow pace.

I don't mind the mental grind of getting back into a groove if I think things will end up working out.   I have so much motivation to do so.  My wife, obviously.  Our first marathon, doing it together.  Her going for a BQ.  She's killing her training right now.  @JShare87 coming out there like he said he would.  I mean, I want to get out there and do this so badly.  But I'm starting to wonder if it's not the right idea.  I see 3 options and I'm not sure what to do:

1)  Suck it up, start my week 7 training, work as hard as I can, and toe the line with the idea of doing what I planned on doing.  My fitness will catch up soon and it'll work out.

2)  Keep running, but take it slowly, get into training when you can, and adjust your goal and just work on trying to complete the marathon but at a slower than intended pace.

3)  It's not a good idea and it's time to cut my losses and forget J&J.  Get back out there slowly and reset and pick a new first marathon like Monumental in November when I'm adequately trained.

It's a cooler, less humid morning today and I was going to go out for 8 miles.  I haven't run over 6 miles in almost 2 months.  What was turning into a regular/easy/enjoyable distance feels like a daunting task this morning.  If today doesn't go well, it's not going to be good for me moving forward.  Sigh......

ETA -- This is even more depressing.  1 1/2 months ago, same route.  :(

8:58 pace, HR 143

10:29 pace, HR 151

- If it’s uncomfortable , don’t do it

- When in doubt, throw it out

Saying aside, play the long game. I’d say that’s what your body is telling you. Why stress about it?

Consider recovery walks instead of runs. Consider some on trails to help with ankle stability and strength.

 is you are focusing too much on metrics like pace and HR. Maybe now is a time to focus on comfort and stress. Regardless, heads up. 

 

[JAA]

@gianmarco

It's only been 2 weeks.  Your fitness was not going to bounce back in that timeframe.

More JAA rule of thumb is that it takes double the off time to get back your previous fitness. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

@gianmarco As you know, the normal advice we give to someone training for their first marathon is to not worry about time, just focus on finishing.  I know there can be exceptions to that for runners who are experienced and have good base and training cycles. Your wife fits this. I think you did too until the injury caused you to take off so much time.  

I think if you focus on ramping up to consistent mileage without worrying about workouts and pace, you’ll be successful.  The course will really help.  You’ll gain valuable experience.  There will be plenty of other opportunities to get the marathon time you want.
 

 

[The Iguana]

@gianmarco - you can’t compare those two runs. You have a 32 degree temp differential there. 

And not just any 32 degrees but 80+ vs 50.

 

[gruecd]

Musical inspiration for my last 4-miler coming up in an hour...

 

[tri-man 47]

@gianmarco, because your wife is in marathon training, killing it, and has a legit shot at a BQ ...let me give an argument for #3.  Put your energy and emotion into supporting her effort.  If you're constantly worrying about your training/pacing/fitness, I fear that your own doubts will start to affect her frame of mind.  Yes, you can likely put in enough work to get through your first marathon.  But if you're focused on a "C" goal while she's pumping up for an "A" goal, it could be awkward and detrimental.  To paraphrase a movie line: Do you love her enough to let it go?

 

[bushdocda]

I’d say go 2,1,3 @gianmarco in that order. You’re 12 weeks out now if the race is held.

Keep the runs going, see how you feel in a couple weeks and have a 6-10 week period of work with more time a marathon pace and maybe less need to taper with a shorter focused cycle.  And if it’s #3 so be it. And in that case keep the runs going, see how you feel in a couple weeks. GLGB. 

 

 

[gianmarco]

@gianmarco, because your wife is in marathon training, killing it, and has a legit shot at a BQ ...let me give an argument for #3.  Put your energy and emotion into supporting her effort.  If you're constantly worrying about your training/pacing/fitness, I fear that your own doubts will start to affect her frame of mind.  Yes, you can likely put in enough work to get through your first marathon.  But if you're focused on a "C" goal while she's pumping up for an "A" goal, it could be awkward and detrimental.  To paraphrase a movie line: Do you love her enough to let it go?

Thanks, everyone. That all really helps.

I'm quoting this one as I think you have a legit point. However, instead of quitting to focus on her, I'm going to stop worrying about my fitness and celebrate what she's doing while just getting out there. I'm not going to worry about jumping into the plan but instead just ramp the miles back up and do an occasional workout with her when I can.

I know how I felt after 3 solid months and for that HM. I felt like I could run the marathon even then, even if not at goal pace. That was without any actual workouts. If I can get a good month of 40 mile weeks, then I think I can get near then again. Then let's see how I get there.

Needed to refocus.

Just did the 7 miles. It was awful. But I got it done. And I'll get out there even more this week. Unfortunately the knee popped up again but it was just soreness/fatigue in that area, no pain. So probably a good idea I'm taking this slowly. Thought of all of you while out there. Didn't hate it as much as yesterday. Baby steps.

ETA -- I don't complain to her about any of this stuff. I vent here. So she has no idea what I'm thinking/feeling right now. 

 

[gianmarco]

Btw, @xulf, I noticed you've slowed a lot of your runs down lately. Hopefully all intentional and will be good to see if it makes a big difference. Scary after the 5K you threw up a couple weeks ago.

 

[MAC_32]

Btw, @xulf, I noticed you've slowed a lot of your runs down lately. Hopefully all intentional and will be good to see if it makes a big difference. Scary after the 5K you threw up a couple weeks ago.

I see what you did there.

 

[gruecd]

Last run complete. Fastest run of the whole thing at 7:17/mile, and my last mile was the fastest mile of the whole thing at 6:57.

Overall average sub-7:50 for the 52.4 miles.

Beer me.

 

[gianmarco]

Last run complete. Fastest run of the whole thing at 7:17/mile, and my last mile was the fastest mile of the whole thing at 6:57.

Overall average sub-7:50 for the 52.4 miles.

Beer me.

Animal.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Last run complete. Fastest run of the whole thing at 7:17/mile, and my last mile was the fastest mile of the whole thing at 6:57.

Overall average sub-7:50 for the 52.4 miles.

Beer me.

Honestly, as someone who ran this "with" @gruecd, his performance was nothing less than extraordinary.  He is a beast and this "challenge" seemed beneath him.  Congrats dude.  Can't wait to see how you do in the last man standing.  ha ha

 

[gruecd]

Honestly, as someone who ran this "with" @gruecd, his performance was nothing less than extraordinary.  He is a beast and this "challenge" seemed beneath him.  Congrats dude.  Can't wait to see how you do in the last man standing.  ha ha

I’m not sure about all that, but thanks, buddy. I think that just finishing this thing is pretty extraordinary. Great work out there!

 

[Juxtatarot]

I thought of that this morning...the likelihood that the water fountains in the various parks might not be activated until later in the summer, if at all.  Yuck.

I went by one at a park less than a mile away from my home this morning.  Not only was it off but it was locked so you couldn't even press the button.  Hopefully by summer.

 

[Zasada]

Last run complete. Fastest run of the whole thing at 7:17/mile, and my last mile was the fastest mile of the whole thing at 6:57.

Overall average sub-7:50 for the 52.4 miles.

Beer me.

Incredible achievement, at a pace that makes my jaw drop.  Machine.

Just donated to Feeding America -- figured that was your choice from the LinkedIn post!

 

[El Floppo]

Jawdropping stuff you guys.

Responding to Gian earlier made me go back and reread the archived beginning of this thread. Back when duck was learning to run and getting ready for his very first race (12k) and triguy was still a sprightly young dude in his early 70s..or something... And crushing Tris, running, you name it (and still giving the most sage advice). BNB had just started as well (but was still crushing mountain races in his TT helmet). There was roarin' roarin' it up. and darrin's inspiring weight loss and running transformation. Furley doing couch to 5k.... and many others. and yours truly was a kind of peppy Gian stand-in, back when I was still excited about stuff. 

I posted and whined about my oldest's birth and training for NYC. And initially got trolled by scupper who held onto the claim that anybody could run a <40min 10k...or maybe <1:40 1/2... Back when the tread was still about getting gstot across the finish line of his first 10k.

So much love and support and inspiration in here...just wanted to say how much I profoundly appreciate you guys, even if I'm only regular here every decade or so.

 

[ChiefD]

That's not the point of the post. And yes, I know that.

Yes. I know that. But posting the heart rate info was pointless on those two runs. And the reason I responded to only THAT was because  I think so many things are at play here.

But the main one is: you are really far into your own mind. And you have the right to be. 

Stop thinking and just run. You are in some deep sheeeeit right now - things the rest of us aren’t in right now. You and your wife are in high risk situations right now. You guys are privy to information that the rest of us cannot see. You are in an extremely high stress situation just in everyday life. The worry of what is going on in the world and what it could mean to the family you come home to after every shift.

And then add marathon training on top of THAT? Wow, man. That adds a whole ‘nother level of physical and mental stress. Because right about now in normal marathon training a guy gets pissed. And angry. And tired. And just overall grumpy as hell. Now add to that TWO people in a house in marathon training going through what you guys are going through day to day. 

So my advice is: Breathe. Run. Enjoy the changing of the seasons, because praise the Lord we are out of winter. 

Your body and mind will tell you what to do. But don’t give up yet. 

 

[tri-man 47]

Stop thinking and just run.

You're printing this off in a big font and taping it on your shovel wall, right, my 8-beer confessional friend?

 

[ChiefD]

You're printing this off in a big font and taping it on your shovel wall, right, my 8-beer confessional friend?

Yeah, I’m the pot calling the kettle black in this case. But I do have experience in the deep-inside-my-own-head stuff. 

 

[gianmarco]

Yeah, I’m the pot calling the kettle black in this case. But I do have experience in the deep-inside-my-own-head stuff. 

I really appreciate the post. I will say, though, while I can certainly overthink some stuff when it comes to running, that's not the case here at all. I'm 2 weeks away from the halfway point of a marathon training cycle for my first one and I haven't even started yet. Questioning whether or not I should bail isn't me overthinking. I'm trying to be smart and make sure I'm not trying to do something I shouldn't be.

I'm certainly not overthinking out there. I'm trying to just run and run easy. But I'm so out of shape that there's nothing easy about it even at slow paces. I didn't have another mile in me today as I was exhausted at the end.  With a relatively easy run. 

This really has nothing to do with any outside stress at all. Luckily we are in a decent spot and my wife isn't going nuts yet with her training.  My fitness is just in the crapper right now and it's just going to take longer than I had hoped to come back. It'll get there and I got enough feedback here to realize that I can still try and tackle this monster and that's what I'm going to do. I'll start workouts when I feel like I can and will just get miles in until that point.

I'd also like to add that I thought of you a good bit during my run today for a couple reasons. First of all, I was in my best running spot mentally and physically than I've ever been around the time of my 5K in Atlanta and the HM we did together. In that spot, I remember trying to encourage you to just get out there and it's so easy to say that when things are going well. Now I'm quickly reminded what it's like on the other side of it. And it's not that easy. But the continuous encouragement helps so I hope I could have done that for you.

Secondly, the fact you were able to run with us as long as you did at those paces when we were in excellent shape and you weren't is amazing. I really could appreciate it today because there's no way I could run those paces today.

Anyway.... Back to it tomorrow

 

[Harris]

Yo. Took some time off all things running for a week for some refocusing before week 1, day 1 of 24-weeks to Paris Marathon. Got some reading/catching up to do on this thread I see. Miss anything? Team Grue still rules? Team Juxt still drools?

 

[Zasada]

@gruecd, read that article you posted on LinkedIn.  Love this quote:

“Well, is it freezing? OR is your mind just saying it’s freezing? Which is it?” He laughs again. “Control your mind, Jesse.” “Got it.” “Exactly. Enjoy this ####. If you want it to be seventy and sunny . . .  it’s seventy and sunny. Just run. The elements are in your mind. I don’t ever check the temperature when I run. Who gives a #### what the temperature on the computer says? The computer isn’t out there running, is it?”

I'm obsessed with the weather when I go out running.  It's too cold.  It's too hot.  Too windy.  Too rainy.  Too sunny (yes, I hate running in the sun).  Need to get over that, and just run.

 

[Zasada]

@SteelCurtain, nice work on the run.  Incredible even if you weren't crazy busy with work, and at the peak of your training!  To cram this in to your schedule at your very reduced training is really inspiring.

What charity should I be donating to?

 

[Harris]

@gruecd, read that article you posted on LinkedIn.  Love this quote:

I'm obsessed with the weather when I go out running.  It's too cold.  It's too hot.  Too windy.  Too rainy.  Too sunny (yes, I hate running in the sun).  Need to get over that, and just run.

The bolded is all too real. My least favorite element.

 

[Zasada]

The bolded is all too real. My least favorite element.

Same for me, until the last couple of weeks.  22C (72F) yesterday, and I was just soaked halfway into my 16K.  When that wind would blow through my shirt and burn a little of that sweat off, I was loving it.  Thank you, wind.

 

[El Floppo]

@gruecd, read that article you posted on LinkedIn.  Love this quote:

I'm obsessed with the weather when I go out running.  It's too cold.  It's too hot.  Too windy.  Too rainy.  Too sunny (yes, I hate running in the sun).  Need to get over that, and just run.

For me, I'm more obsessed with gearing up appropriately for the weather than the weather itself...the little bit of control I have. Don't care if it's single digits or windy or rainy or in suck mode (well..the latter, bleh), as long as I get the right combo of layers on to combat it. 

But if I mess up that combo...trouble.

 

[Zasada]

For me, I'm more obsessed with gearing up appropriately for the weather than the weather itself...the little bit of control I have. Don't care if it's single digits or windy or rainy or in suck mode (well..the latter, bleh), as long as I get the right combo of layers on to combat it. 

But if I mess up that combo...trouble.

Yeah, I've run down to -33C (-27F).  Wasn't bad at all, given that I got the layering right.  I think I might actually choose that over 22C (72F) if I could.

 

[El Floppo]

And Gian...after rereading my buildup to NYC I had a handful of goals where the training for Nov 4 started in July...without much prior work.

1- get to the starting line healthy (I forgot I was having knee problems alomg with memories of brokefoot IM)

2- get to the finish line healthy.

3- I've already forgotten the rest. But I wanted to do sub 4 (my tri buddies and I were aiming and pacing on race day for 3:45)

I also forgot I was often doing 3x runs per week, not just 2x. But I did try my best to do the long runs on whatever marathon training schedule I was using. Most of my weeks were around 20m until the later part when the long runs pushed into the upper teens and 20.

I feel like that's all applicable for you...except you'll likely be more committed and putting in more miles.

I understand 12 weeks causing concern. I think you if you keep going with your own list of ranked goals and do those long runs, you'll know more in the coming weeks about how feasible this is.

 

[El Floppo]

Yeah, I've run down to -33C (-27F).  Wasn't bad at all, given that I got the layering right.  I think I might actually choose that over 22C (72F) if I could.

Yeah....no.

I didn't say anything about that nonsense. #### that.

 

[xulf]

Btw, @xulf, I noticed you've slowed a lot of your runs down lately. Hopefully all intentional and will be good to see if it makes a big difference. Scary after the 5K you threw up a couple weeks ago.

Yes, primarily intentional.  I've been doing hard (for me) interval workouts the last few weeks which have taken a toll on my legs.  I have been trying to go slower on the easy days to make sure I appropriately recover.

The reason that it is not entirely intentional is because my legs won't always do what I want --- like on Saturday, I wanted to do some rotating faster miles but that was a no go.

 

[ChiefD]

Honestly, as someone who ran this "with" @gruecd, his performance was nothing less than extraordinary.  He is a beast and this "challenge" seemed beneath him.  Congrats dude.  Can't wait to see how you do in the last man standing.  ha ha

Well, to be honest, yours was pretty remarkable as well. Challenges like that accentuate the physical of course, but its the mental side of those that truly impresses me. You guys that have that extra gear on the mental side just astound me. To get up, every 4 hours. Minimal sleep. Grinding out the miles.....

Awesome job, man. 

 

[gruecd]

Nah, as long as I get a good night’s sleep tonight, I’ll be fine.

Just hoping I can stay awake long enough to watch ep. 5-6 of “The Last Dance.”

Quick update.  To say I'd be "fine" might have been overly optimistic.  I'm not "sore" the way I'd be after racing a marathon, but my body is definitely fatigued.  Especially my eyes.  Overall, definitely feeling the lack of sleep way more than the 50+ miles of running.  What's funny is that I really didn't feel that tired or anything during the challenge.  Adrenaline?

Ended up recording "The Last Dance" with the plan on watching it tonight when I'm (hopefully) more awake.

 

[bushdocda]

I worry less about weather and more about avoiding other people now. First time in about a week on my trail this morning.  Was lovely. 

 

[gruecd]

Incredible achievement, at a pace that makes my jaw drop.  Machine.

Just donated to Feeding America -- figured that was your choice from the LinkedIn post!

Thanks, GB.  Very generous of you with the donation. 

 

[gruecd]

The bolded is all too real. My least favorite element.

1a.  Humidity

1b.  Heat

2.  Wind

 

[Brony]

I think I might be out for a while.  Knee felt a smidge better after walking a little Saturday, so thought I'd be OK if I walked ~4 miles yesterday.  I was wrong.  This is the worst injury I've had in years.  It doesn't seem to be the same old, same old, which I guess is good hoping that this is temporary. 

If a doctor was to tell me I had a stress fracture in the upper fibula, I wouldn't be surprised.  It's still incredibly tender after 7 days.  No swelling or bruising though so who knows. I'm going to rest this week.  

 

[gianmarco]

I think I might be out for a while.  Knee felt a smidge better after walking a little Saturday, so thought I'd be OK if I walked ~4 miles yesterday.  I was wrong.  This is the worst injury I've had in years.  It doesn't seem to be the same old, same old, which I guess is good hoping that this is temporary. 

If a doctor was to tell me I had a stress fracture in the upper fibula, I wouldn't be surprised.  It's still incredibly tender after 7 days.  No swelling or bruising though so who knows. I'm going to rest this week.  

Ugh, so sorry.  Hope this heals up soon and you can get back out. 

As an aside to this with the virtual coming up and assuming you can't go, can we just use his 5K for his 10K since, well, they were the same distance anyway?

 

[AAABatteries]

@gianmarco - I read through your 3 options.  All I know is a wise man once told me "hire the movers".  I have no idea how this pertains to your marathon training dilemma but thought I would share.

Spoiler

You were right but I didn't hire the movers.  But in my defense I didn't know a pandemic was coming.

 

[Zasada]

@gianmarco, been thinking about your post all weekend.  Went to type a reply a few times, but I just don't feel qualified.  

But, like any good MBA, I have lots of training about sounding qualified when I'm not. 

So, not that you want, or can benefit from newb advice like mine, but here goes:

I looked at my first marathon, and in the 9 non-taper weeks before my first marathon, I averaged 42 miles/week.  In the prior six weeks, I averaged 27 miles.  And many of those miles in both blocks were hiking, not running.

You're a more talented runner than me.  And while my first marathon wasn't an over-arching success (not everyone is @The Iguana), I got it done, and it was good enough to teach me some lessons for my next one.  

I looked at your volume for the last few weeks, and you had a good week last week, and a few weeks of injury maintenance before that.  But you got a good HM in the books, and were averaging 40mi/week prior to that (not including the taper).  

So, you've got a good base, took a few weeks to heal-up, and got a good week in last week.  With that base, your natural ability, and increasing mileage in the next few weeks, you can totally stick to your goal.  Go out and run it with Mrs. G (and me, hopefully!), and at worst it will teach you something for a Fall marathon if you want to dedicate more time to that distance.

So, in the spirit of your earlier post ("Hey running guys, should I go out and run?"), here's another vote for you getting back in the plan.

 

[MAC_32]

@gianmarco just to re-emphasize one thing from what I wrote in April - it's going to be a frustrating month. I'm sure that message was read, but if I were to have highlighted one thing then that would have been it. You have to get through that to get to the sudden fitness boost I mentioned though. You're gonna surprise yourself with where you are if you stay headstrong through this month.

 

[BassNBrew]

Congrats gru and sc. amazing stuff 

 

[gianmarco]

@gianmarco just to re-emphasize one thing from what I wrote in April - it's going to be a frustrating month. I'm sure that message was read, but if I were to have highlighted one thing then that would have been it. You have to get through that to get to the sudden fitness boost I mentioned though. You're gonna surprise yourself with where you are if you stay headstrong through this month.

I trust you. 

No doubt it's been a frustrating week but I'll keep grinding with the light at the end of the tunnel.  I've never gone through an extended layoff like this.  The worst was when I had to take almost 3 weeks off a year and a half ago and I remember it only took about a week to start feeling back to normal.  Plus, it was at a lower level and I wasn't training for much.  I ended up running the 15K in December with trying to return but accepted my limitations at the time so it wasn't that bad.  This is a whole different ball game.  I look forward to posting a month from now and saying "yep, you were right". 

 

[MAC_32]

I trust you. 

No doubt it's been a frustrating week but I'll keep grinding with the light at the end of the tunnel.  I've never gone through an extended layoff like this.  The worst was when I had to take almost 3 weeks off a year and a half ago and I remember it only took about a week to start feeling back to normal.  Plus, it was at a lower level and I wasn't training for much.  I ended up running the 15K in December with trying to return but accepted my limitations at the time so it wasn't that bad.  This is a whole different ball game.  I look forward to posting a month from now and saying "yep, you were right". 

I think it varies person-to-person, but my knee jerk when I read what @JAA said about double the time is I think that's probably the high end. I've always operated at a 1:1 mindset, but this is a longer layoff than I've had in years. So maybe it's closer to 2:1 than 1:1, but I am highly confident it is somewhere in there.

 

[JAA]

I trust you. 

No doubt it's been a frustrating week but I'll keep grinding with the light at the end of the tunnel.  I've never gone through an extended layoff like this.  The worst was when I had to take almost 3 weeks off a year and a half ago and I remember it only took about a week to start feeling back to normal.  Plus, it was at a lower level and I wasn't training for much.  I ended up running the 15K in December with trying to return but accepted my limitations at the time so it wasn't that bad.  This is a whole different ball game.  I look forward to posting a month from now and saying "yep, you were right". 

I think it varies person-to-person, but my knee jerk when I read what @JAA said about double the time is I think that's probably the high end. I've always operated at a 1:1 mindset, but this is a longer layoff than I've had in years. So maybe it's closer to 2:1 than 1:1, but I am highly confident it is somewhere in there.

FWIW mine is based on getting sinus infections or flu-like stuff.  I get messed up cardiovascular when those happen.  Those examples are 1-2 weeks of sick turn to 2-4 of recovery.  With my knee issue its taken a long time to get the running back.  I mean, im running, but im not to where I was.  This past Friday my interval run felt like my old self.  Its the first time I can remember it in a long time.

Im learning that the body takes time.  Im not good with having patience in general, so the injuries have been helping me learn that trait

 

[El Floppo]

Just got back from what was supposed to be my A run (tempo).

After a warmup mile, I thought I'd settle into 7:30s the rest of the way and try to pick up if possible. Unpossible. After a couple of those I was hanging on to 8s for dear life. Cardio wasnt labored- legs were. Right hammy twinged around 6m in and I shut things down for the last 1.25 at 9:15.

Realized my "recovery" run yesterday was way too fast at 8:35s...even if it felt comfortable. I should have been well above 9s and just enjoying myself. Novice mistake, pushing that one even a little and then expectimg much more today.

Saw a bunch of turtles at least.

 

[gianmarco]

One of these days this running thing will make more sense to me.

Just had a great 5 mile easy run with my wife. First of all, my HR is ALWAYS lower when I run with her. I don't understand why. Secondly, felt good and strong the whole time. Night and day from this weekend. First two miles with 134 and 139. Creeped up after that but I'll take it, especially getting back down to 140 at the end briefly. 

Anyway, I needed today. It's like that amazing golf shot that keeps you getting back out there in the midst of 100 awful shots.