SayWhaaaaaaat?59.4 miles at average 6:55 pace. Overall I guess I have to call this a disappointing week but whatever.
Day 18bostonfred said:anyone want to try the ridiculous core workout program i just started
https://youtu.be/pcYYUU5tIxU
Bring Sally up bring Sally down push up planks with side knees/plank waves just to spice it up. Day 1 I got through 18 of the 30 before quitting
I was wondering the same thing this morning..
Tell me again why we do this?
So I could be wrong on the terminology, but you said you did 3 miles at GMP. Then wanted to do 4 miles of tempo.Tempo oof today.
Just flat blew up halfway in. Hot and humid, sure..and in direct sun for the tempo segment, but everything just felt off regardless. HR spiked in the 160s- for me is super high.
Probably went too hot on the first 3m which i intended to be gmp (intended 7:45s +/-) and ended up slower than I expected on the first 2m of the planned 4m oab tempo (intended 6:50).
At the turnaround I walked and slow jogged for a stretch to try get my HR down and get the legs back...eased back into the gmp imstead of finishimg the tempo- that felt rough but at the intended pace based on my effort. Looked at the watch and was going at 9:45s instead of 7:45s. Not quite my tempo [/whiplash].
6m from home, I knew I was in trouble and in for a brutal trip back. Thought of @SayWhat?and laughed at myself... Just jogged the best I could knowing in less than an hour- not 24- Id be in A/C and cold water.
Ended up finishing the out segment of my oab tempo in 3rd overall...which doesnt speak too highly of the local competition.
eta...just had a nice ham cramp.
For Hanson's, they are the same, I believe. But most others consider it either 10k-15k pace, or what you can run for about an hour.So I could be wrong on the terminology, but you said you did 3 miles at GMP. Then wanted to do 4 miles of tempo.
Isn't tempo = GMP? Or am I completely wrong for all these years?
And what does OAB stand for?
Ive been calling tempo something faster than my usual paced run, probably my 10k pace in the high 6s. But I havent done any 10k pace work, so... And i could be totally wrong about what Tempo actually is. Im just using it as prolonged faster pace thats faster than hmp or mp.For Hanson's, they are the same, I believe. But most others consider it either 10k-15k pace, or what you can run for about an hour.
OAB = out and back
How fast does he do his tempo runs?Busio tweet
Some general points I see a lot making about him
-- He is best suited as a #6. He doesn't do well as an 8 or 10 because he can't win as many duels. His defense is better when he's deep
-- As a #6, his strengths of passing and tempo work better
-- He's only 19. Still time to develop a lot, especially physically
-- Going to Serie A is going to help those deficiencies
-- Pairing him with Acosta and Lletget is not good for his skillset
Ive been watching your numbers wide-eyed and so impressed. Had completely forgotten you were doing Boston, but figured you were ramping up to something.Boston training: Thru Week 6
1/3rd of the way through training already?!? It was kind of a tough start as I was jump-starting the mileage while still dealing with the hamstring tendinopathy and then an early groin strain. But that's all settled down now. Mileage has been reasonably sufficient:
44.1 ..46.2 ..50.3 ..50.1 ..40.1 ..56.4
Two or three runs each week of double digit mileage including three 14 milers and a nice 18 miler.
In general, while loosely following a BAA Level 4 plan, I try for two SOS workouts each week (one with tempo/intervals; one with hills) and one longer run. This past week at the cottage I even exceeded 2,000 feet of climbing. @Zasada literally calls that "Tuesday," but for me that exceeds my year-round monthly average.
Looking ahead, I hope to have a strong stretch through the heart of the training cycle ...getting some weeks of 60+ miles; cruising some longer sub-MP tempo runs; continuing to target some hillier routes; and picking up a couple of 20 mile runs.
I've long wondered if it's just needing to prioritize training in summer, when you don't really want to. I get it isn't one size fits all, but I think summer training is easier to manage when you're early in a cycle (if at all) and not trying to hit any peaks. Try to hit a couple priorities and make sure you're not falling too far behind on volume, but if you need to cut some corners to make a weekend work then there's still time to catch up.I was wondering the same thing this morning.
Weather wasn't bad but I'm genuinely hating running right now. I committed to the HM/month and I'll do it, and there is a run segment in a triathlon so I do need to keep it going. But man I friggin hate running right now. It's probably a good thing I'm doing the year, or I'd be done for a while. Probably no running races next year.
It probably doesn't help that my gut has been off the last week. Not enough to cause any real issues but nasty and frequent loose poop. I won't admit it anywhere else but I actually let loose in my pants on the way to the toilet yesterday.I was outside drinking coffee with the dogs, the pup got in the way as I needed to get in (urge hit). A little came out. Then I felt better, so I swam a few laps.
Misc update #2 - last week was a test in flexibility, not of the literal kind.I had a plan for this week, but it's been tossed in the garbage. Scattered afternoon storms each of the next 5 days and a golf outing Saturday has turned the plan on its side. Since I'm feeling fresh I'm gonna test my hand at a tempo Monday pm. Those storms, an evening baseball game, and lifting over lunch may lead to a less than optimal output, so if the day goes sideways I may punt to Tuesday. Hope not because that would then have a domino effect on the rest of the week, but as long as mother nature misbehaves and our calendar remains full I'm just taking things 2 days at a time. Plus I'm way ahead of where I thought I could be at this time. This sorta conditioning was more like what I hoped for in late August; not mid July!
Agreed. But then it's tri seasonI've long wondered if it's just needing to prioritize training in summer, when you don't really want to. I get it isn't one size fits all, but I think summer training is easier to manage when you're early in a cycle (if at all) and not trying to hit any peaks. Try to hit a couple priorities and make sure you're not falling too far behind on volume, but if you need to cut some corners to make a weekend work then there's still time to catch up.
RF; DBAPAnyone have any tips on how to train for a marathon in less than a week?
TIA and will answer yours.
It’s downhill. Just buy a pair of Heelys.Anyone have any tips on how to train for a marathon in less than a week?
TIA and will answer yours.
Nice!San Diego Half Marathon 7/18/2021:
This is a training run as part of the build up to Ironman California October 24, 2021 that my wife and I are attempting together. This was our first organized race since prior to the pandemic and it was so awesome to get that pumped up feeling and great energy you get when running in these events. Back 2 Racing.....HELL YEAH!
Mile 1-4:
We settled in with the 2:20 wave, my wife felt comfortable with that pace. My goal is normally 2:00 but this is a training race and the idea is to learn, not get hurt and have maximum fun. By San Diego standards it was already hot & humid so going out slow was fine by me. The start/finish is downtown in the Gaslamp District near the Convention Center and then heads along Harbor Blvd around Seaport Village out past the airport. Thousands of people enjoying the run, the views, the fellowship of running together again was just so awesome, I had a #### eating grin the whole time and we got thru mile 4 right on schedule.
Mile 5-7:
This was kind of a boring section that takes you around the airport, past the old Navy/Marine recruit depot. Always a little nostalgic for me as I landed here in 1985 as a 21 year old, looking for a fresh start in the Navy. It was the best decision I made at that point in my life and doing so really changed the trajectory of my life for the better. My wife was starting to get a little uncomfortable as she was hot and feeling like she was holding me up. We have an agreement that if she tells me to take off, I do it. I paused a little just to confirm as it was heating up and I wanted to make sure she was ok, she assured me she was good to go so I gave her a kiss and headed out at my own pace. I sped up a little bit (9:30ish), but knew that I needed to conserve energy, not overheat and prepare for the beast that lie ahead.
Mile 8-11:
I had read the course elevation map and noticed the significant hill at mile 8. I told myself that no matter how steep it got or how tired I was, I would run up these hills. The old Mike Tyson saying comes to mind, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in he mouth," nevermore has this adage come into play for me. There was a guy on the road that held up a sign with temps & humidity's that were scratched out and updated starting at 72 degrees and 75% humidity, it also said "PERFECT" It was 82 and 85% when I passed thru, PERFECT! I did the best I could and gutted out the first of a series of smaller hills but then I hit Washington St. and it was all over. I power walked and ran, power walked and ran with all of the other walkers going up that nasty hill. Only two people passed me, one was a guy that looked a little like @SFBayDuck, big ### grin on his face and a middle aged lady that looked very strong and up to the task. We would meet at the top of the hill....
Mile 12-13.1:
Thankfully, water, hoses, gatorade, iced towels awaited us at the top. Volunteers are so great at these races!! After walking though the water stop I picked it up again thinking I had a chance to make 2 hours if I really hoofed it. What goes up has to go down and it did in the SD Half. The last 1.5 miles is all down hill starting in Hillcrest, then adjacent to Balboa Park, Bankers Hill into downtown to the finish under the Gaslamp District sign. I felt really strong and was ready to attack the downhill when just in front of me that same lady that passed me going up the hill, fell flat on her face, screaming in pain! A couple of us stopped to help her. It appeared that she had twisted her knee and could not get up unassisted. Another guy and myself carried her into the shade and called for medical support. They were on the scene in less than a minute...kudo's to those awesome people! 2:00 was now off the table but I picked up the pace and ran to downtown San Diego feeling super strong and dare I say, fastbetween 8-9 min/miles to finish the run. My wife came in 12 minutes later and I was able to get some good pics of her crossing the line looking incredible!
2:14:57 avg 10:18mi
Next Up:
Santa Barbara Triathlon 8/28/21 for my first official Tri.
Yep.Nice!
Sounds like a great race for both of you, and good for you for helping the woman... especially since you knew you weren't "racing" for a time. (probalby would have given her the heisman stiff-arm if you were really serious about getting under 2, amirite?)
remind me- IM California in October... is that a full or a half IM?
Tough one. I probably ask him if he's needs help. If he gives me anything close to a 'no', I get back to the race.Yep.
Got me thinking. You're racing, it's mile 24, you're on pace to get a BQ. It's your first one. Guy next to you goes down. Not a medical emergency like heart attack where he needs his life saved, but say something like this lady or a bad knee injury or something, really in pain, could use some assistance until medical comes but would also survive if you didn't.
You stopping?
Does it matter if there are other runners around vs just you?
I would stop briefly to make sure it wasn't life threatening. If I'm that close to qualifying for Boston, knowing I need a 10 minute cushion probably anyway - I can spare 30 seconds to help someone.Yep.
Got me thinking. You're racing, it's mile 24, you're on pace to get a BQ. It's your first one. Guy next to you goes down. Not a medical emergency like heart attack where he needs his life saved, but say something like this lady or a bad knee injury or something, really in pain, could use some assistance until medical comes but would also survive if you didn't.
You stopping?
Does it matter if there are other runners around vs just you?
Full IM…https://www.ironman.com/im-california-courseNice!
Sounds like a great race for both of you, and good for you for helping the woman... especially since you knew you weren't "racing" for a time. (probalby would have given her the heisman stiff-arm if you were really serious about getting under 2, amirite?)
remind me- IM California in October... is that a full or a half IM?
I don’t understand why any injured runner would want other runners to stop due to their knee injury.gianmarco said:Yep.
Got me thinking. You're racing, it's mile 24, you're on pace to get a BQ. It's your first one. Guy next to you goes down. Not a medical emergency like heart attack where he needs his life saved, but say something like this lady or a bad knee injury or something, really in pain, could use some assistance until medical comes but would also survive if you didn't.
You stopping?
Does it matter if there are other runners around vs just you?
And this is why you fail.I don’t understand why any injured runner would want other runners to stop due to their knee injury.
Right! I kinda remember... You guys are working with a coach, iirc?Dark Matter said:
Day 1 18bostonfred said:anyone want to try the ridiculous core workout program i just started
https://youtu.be/pcYYUU5tIxU
Bring Sally up bring Sally down push up planks with side knees/plank waves just to spice it up. Day 1 I got through 18 of the 30 before quitting
"Just" a BQ, or a BQ with the requisite cushion? It matters.gianmarco said:Yep.
Got me thinking. You're racing, it's mile 24, you're on pace to get a BQ. It's your first one. Guy next to you goes down. Not a medical emergency like heart attack where he needs his life saved, but say something like this lady or a bad knee injury or something, really in pain, could use some assistance until medical comes but would also survive if you didn't.
You stopping?
Does it matter if there are other runners around vs just you?
You run Boston if you don't stop. You don't run Boston if you stop."Just" a BQ, or a BQ with the requisite cushion? It matters.![]()
Good luck, sucka.You run Boston if you don't stop. You don't run Boston if you stop.
Yes on the coach. Ida crushed myself already if not for him. We connect Strava to Training Tilt so he can monitor our progress then have weekly Zooms to review, get advice & encouragement or a kick in the ###.Right! I kinda remember... You guys are working with a coach, iirc?
But man- jumping right into the deep end if that upcoming santa Barbara tri is going to be your first! How long is that tri?
Not a ####### chance.gianmarco said:Yep.
Got me thinking. You're racing, it's mile 24, you're on pace to get a BQ. It's your first one. Guy next to you goes down. Not a medical emergency like heart attack where he needs his life saved, but say something like this lady or a bad knee injury or something, really in pain, could use some assistance until medical comes but would also survive if you didn't.
You stopping?
Does it matter if there are other runners around vs just you?
Here's my .02:Well, my fitness feels like it's in the crapper. That whole post of mine from a week or 2 ago is just funny at this point. I'll give it a go for that time I mentioned, but I will bail on it if things aren't going well and I'm thinking at this point that's exactly what's going to happen.
It's funny because things are almost completely opposite from the marathon we ran almost a year ago. Last year, I was more nervous for my wife (her injury, the course, getting paced) whereas I wasn't nervous for mine at all. I didn't care what time I had and was just going with the 4 hr pacer and didn't care if I had to slow down. And, I wasn't nervous about the distance because I had trained reasonably well with a decent number of long runs and I felt ready.
This year, I'm not worried about her at all. She's in great shape and she's ready. Meanwhile I'm incredibly nervous for myself (and I don't usually get that way for races). And it's not a good nervous. It's a nervous that it's not going to go well and/or I'm going to struggle mightily. And I'm nowhere near as prepared as I was last year.
Even on my run yesterday and today,I keep thinking about it and I can feel my HR going up with anxiety about it. And again, I'm not a nervous/anxious type of person. I even slept pretty awfully last night and kept dreaming about this dumb race.
I'm going to channel my last two long runs and remember that pain cave and I'll get through it. But definitely not looking forward to this thing.
Oh well, few more days. Fly out tomorrow. Weeeeeeee
I swear this mirrors what I'd go through all of my tapers. self-doubt, feeling sick, running slow... I'm hoping that's all it is for you. you've had some flat out great long runs leading up to this, and I have full confidence you'll be able to race this as if it was all downhill. so to speak.Well, my fitness feels like it's in the crapper. That whole post of mine from a week or 2 ago is just funny at this point. I'll give it a go for that time I mentioned, but I will bail on it if things aren't going well and I'm thinking at this point that's exactly what's going to happen.
It's funny because things are almost completely opposite from the marathon we ran almost a year ago. Last year, I was more nervous for my wife (her injury, the course, getting paced) whereas I wasn't nervous for mine at all. I didn't care what time I had and was just going with the 4 hr pacer and didn't care if I had to slow down. And, I wasn't nervous about the distance because I had trained reasonably well with a decent number of long runs and I felt ready.
This year, I'm not worried about her at all. She's in great shape and she's ready. Meanwhile I'm incredibly nervous for myself (and I don't usually get that way for races). And it's not a good nervous. It's a nervous that it's not going to go well and/or I'm going to struggle mightily. And I'm nowhere near as prepared as I was last year.
Even on my run yesterday and today,I keep thinking about it and I can feel my HR going up with anxiety about it. And again, I'm not a nervous/anxious type of person. I even slept pretty awfully last night and kept dreaming about this dumb race.
I'm going to channel my last two long runs and remember that pain cave and I'll get through it. But definitely not looking forward to this thing.
Oh well, few more days. Fly out tomorrow. Weeeeeeee
Well, that long run in Wisconsin had to come from somewhere. Hopefully cooler weather helps more than you think it will.Well, my fitness feels like it's in the crapper. That whole post of mine from a week or 2 ago is just funny at this point. I'll give it a go for that time I mentioned, but I will bail on it if things aren't going well and I'm thinking at this point that's exactly what's going to happen.
It's funny because things are almost completely opposite from the marathon we ran almost a year ago. Last year, I was more nervous for my wife (her injury, the course, getting paced) whereas I wasn't nervous for mine at all. I didn't care what time I had and was just going with the 4 hr pacer and didn't care if I had to slow down. And, I wasn't nervous about the distance because I had trained reasonably well with a decent number of long runs and I felt ready.
This year, I'm not worried about her at all. She's in great shape and she's ready. Meanwhile I'm incredibly nervous for myself (and I don't usually get that way for races). And it's not a good nervous. It's a nervous that it's not going to go well and/or I'm going to struggle mightily. And I'm nowhere near as prepared as I was last year.
Even on my run yesterday and today,I keep thinking about it and I can feel my HR going up with anxiety about it. And again, I'm not a nervous/anxious type of person. I even slept pretty awfully last night and kept dreaming about this dumb race.
I'm going to channel my last two long runs and remember that pain cave and I'll get through it. But definitely not looking forward to this thing.
Oh well, few more days. Fly out tomorrow. Weeeeeeee
It's summer and you haven't seen a dew point below 70 since July 4. These are not the sorta conditions to expect your fitness to ascend. You're in a good spot, your body is just asking for some relief. Hopefully mother nature will offer some as well sooner rather than later.my runs have gotten slower and shorter too.
pushed today to lower a couple of strava segment times before we head back to NYC on thursday (local runners aren't too fast, so I've gotten in the top 10 in all 3 local segments I've tried) and couldn't. my previous times weren't even that fast for me, but I just couldn't get the legs turning over fast or efficient enough. each one of these was just shy of a mile, and I couldn't get sub 6:40 either time.
not sure what's going on, but hoping to do some longer runs at pace when we get back and to hit my bridge/hills again.
Try to hang loose GB. You’re going to be running a very cool looking course (don’t ferget yer headlamp) and will hopefully be getting favorable temps/conditions relative to your past few months of runs. I like the pros list from last weeks post, do that.Even on my run yesterday and today,I keep thinking about it and I can feel my HR going up with anxiety about it. And again, I'm not a nervous/anxious type of person. I even slept pretty awfully last night and kept dreaming about this dumb race
18, 23, 27, complete, complete. I'm still a little sore from doing 90 minutes on the treadmill last night but I think my form even improved a little today.bostonfred said:anyone want to try the ridiculous core workout program i just started
https://youtu.be/pcYYUU5tIxU
Bring Sally up bring Sally down push up planks with side knees/plank waves just to spice it up. Day 1 I got through 18 of the 30 before quitting