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Is anyone else using HRV?
Last night was my first time assessing, 42 seems low. But after the 3 hour race and we hosted a “soak your own” party last night with 5 other families who all brought various fruit soaked in tequila, vodka, bourbon, coconut rum, etc. my Irish whiskey walnuts were pretty good, everyone seemed to enjoy them. Might have overdone it but good times had by all. Probably affected HRV though.

What do y’all do with the information? The training status shows that I’m well rested - but that’s probably because I didn’t have the watch for the race 🤷
Just another datapoint for me to assess fitness and fatigue. I give a bit more weight to RHR because that's usually less noisy for me, but looking at month over month trends, HRV does track my overall fitness levels pretty well. Averaging 80 ms so far in July, up from 49 ms in April. Alcohol definitely has a negative impact - my HRV typically gets very high overnight, but will be noticeably lower after an evening of drinking.
 
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Is anyone else using HRV?
Last night was my first time assessing, 42 seems low. But after the 3 hour race and we hosted a “soak your own” party last night with 5 other families who all brought various fruit soaked in tequila, vodka, bourbon, coconut rum, etc. my Irish whiskey walnuts were pretty good, everyone seemed to enjoy them. Might have overdone it but good times had by all. Probably affected HRV though.

What do y’all do with the information? The training status shows that I’m well rested - but that’s probably because I didn’t have the watch for the race 🤷
Just another datapoint for me to assess fitness and fatigue. I give a bit more weight to RHR because that's usually less noisy for me, but looking at month over month trends, HRV does track my overall fitness levels pretty well. Averaging 80 ms so far in July, up from 49 ms in April. Alcohol definitely has a negative impact - my HRV gets very high overnight, but will be noticeably lower after an evening of drinking.
Where are you seeing HRV data? I've never looked at this.
 
Hello sports fans. US track and field champs start tomorrow. Some nighttime coverage on CNBC and rest is usatf.com stream I think.
Primers and event sched


We didn't make it over to Hayward last night, bummed to miss the 10Ks but just too much going on at home/work. I also missed my PT running in the 1500, and she didn't qualify so won't get a chance to see her run. We will be there the next three evenings to catch the semis and finals in most of the events.

Y’all gotta watch this mens steeple final from tonight. Never seen anything like it. BYU dude falls early on a barrier….worked his way back to the pack over a couple of laps….and then…..
Both steeples and 1500s were great.
The decathalon guys running like 5-6 min miles in their final event 1500m is crazy and they look like they hate running so much.
Winner of the men’s 1500m hit 201 HR crossing the line in just under 3:35. Will be awesome to see him with the best in the world, Ingibritsen running under 3:29 last month.
Worlds is in like 40 days.
 
Is anyone else using HRV?
Last night was my first time assessing, 42 seems low. But after the 3 hour race and we hosted a “soak your own” party last night with 5 other families who all brought various fruit soaked in tequila, vodka, bourbon, coconut rum, etc. my Irish whiskey walnuts were pretty good, everyone seemed to enjoy them. Might have overdone it but good times had by all. Probably affected HRV though.

What do y’all do with the information? The training status shows that I’m well rested - but that’s probably because I didn’t have the watch for the race 🤷
Just another datapoint for me to assess fitness and fatigue. I give a bit more weight to RHR because that's usually less noisy for me, but looking at month over month trends, HRV does track my overall fitness levels pretty well. Averaging 80 ms so far in July, up from 49 ms in April. Alcohol definitely has a negative impact - my HRV gets very high overnight, but will be noticeably lower after an evening of drinking.
Where are you seeing HRV data? I've never looked at this.
I have an Apple Watch, so this might be different for the Garmin folks - but I can see it in the Iphone health app alongside all my other data like RHR, steps taken, etc.
 
Is anyone else using HRV?
Last night was my first time assessing, 42 seems low. But after the 3 hour race and we hosted a “soak your own” party last night with 5 other families who all brought various fruit soaked in tequila, vodka, bourbon, coconut rum, etc. my Irish whiskey walnuts were pretty good, everyone seemed to enjoy them. Might have overdone it but good times had by all. Probably affected HRV though.

What do y’all do with the information? The training status shows that I’m well rested - but that’s probably because I didn’t have the watch for the race 🤷
Just another datapoint for me to assess fitness and fatigue. I give a bit more weight to RHR because that's usually less noisy for me, but looking at month over month trends, HRV does track my overall fitness levels pretty well. Averaging 80 ms so far in July, up from 49 ms in April. Alcohol definitely has a negative impact - my HRV gets very high overnight, but will be noticeably lower after an evening of drinking.
Where are you seeing HRV data? I've never looked at this.
I have an Apple Watch, so this might be different for the Garmin folks - but I can see it in the Iphone health app alongside all my other data like RHR, steps taken, etc.
It’s part of the morning report or by clicking the side / up button and going through the stats like sleep, temperature, steps, heart rate, etc.
 
Btw - removing a tree and moving a rose bush is a better workout and harder on my body (and I suspect most of ours) than an Olympic.

Then again, most of us haven’t trained in tree removal. Axes were big in cross fit for a while.
 
Well, ****. Started to see tangible improvements in pace this week. Ran my first 10-miler since high school last weekend, cardio health indicators at all-time highs. But around mile 3 of today’s run, I suddenly felt some significant pain around the 5th metatarsal of my left foot. Finished the run, but I’m now walking with a limp as it hurts to put weight on that foot. I guess we’ll see how it feels when it’s time to run again on Tuesday, but if there’s any pain left I think I might be headed to the doctor. Hoping that it’s some sort of tendonitis, but the nature and location of the pain have me worried about a stress fracture.
 
Well, ****. Started to see tangible improvements in pace this week. Ran my first 10-miler since high school last weekend, cardio health indicators at all-time highs. But around mile 3 of today’s run, I suddenly felt some significant pain around the 5th metatarsal of my left foot. Finished the run, but I’m now walking with a limp as it hurts to put weight on that foot. I guess we’ll see how it feels when it’s time to run again on Tuesday, but if there’s any pain left I think I might be headed to the doctor. Hoping that it’s some sort of tendonitis, but the nature and location of the pain have me worried about a stress fracture.

Sorry to hear about the foot issue.

Have you checked how your foot rolls when running...supinate vs overpronate vs neutral?


I have a tendency to supinate and had some pain on the outside/top of my foot relatively early on. I tried some insoles to fix the issue, but I don't think they helped. I eventually worked on my cadence, foot landing (more on the mid sole vs heel), and began rotating in multiple pairs of shoes.

I am a huge believer in shoe rotation to keep your feet from becoming too use to a specific type and just continuously pounding them in the same manner. The different shoe types make your foot muscles adjust and get stronger.
 
Well, ****. Started to see tangible improvements in pace this week. Ran my first 10-miler since high school last weekend, cardio health indicators at all-time highs. But around mile 3 of today’s run, I suddenly felt some significant pain around the 5th metatarsal of my left foot. Finished the run, but I’m now walking with a limp as it hurts to put weight on that foot. I guess we’ll see how it feels when it’s time to run again on Tuesday, but if there’s any pain left I think I might be headed to the doctor. Hoping that it’s some sort of tendonitis, but the nature and location of the pain have me worried about a stress fracture.

Sorry to hear about the foot issue.

Have you checked how your foot rolls when running...supinate vs overpronate vs neutral?


I have a tendency to supinate and had some pain on the outside/top of my foot relatively early on. I tried some insoles to fix the issue, but I don't think they helped. I eventually worked on my cadence, foot landing (more on the mid sole vs heel), and began rotating in multiple pairs of shoes.

I am a huge believer in shoe rotation to keep your feet from becoming too use to a specific type and just continuously pounding them in the same manner. The different shoe types make your foot muscles adjust and get stronger.
I appreciate it. I have high arches and tend to supinate as well - insoles and supportive shoes helped with the arch pain I'd been experiencing, but I'm not sure they corrected the supination. I'm putting together a list of possible adjustments for whenever I get back out there, and cadence/foot strike/shoe rotation will be at the top. Went ahead and scheduled a visit to the doctor this morning because walking is still quite painful.
 
Well, ****. Started to see tangible improvements in pace this week. Ran my first 10-miler since high school last weekend, cardio health indicators at all-time highs. But around mile 3 of today’s run, I suddenly felt some significant pain around the 5th metatarsal of my left foot. Finished the run, but I’m now walking with a limp as it hurts to put weight on that foot. I guess we’ll see how it feels when it’s time to run again on Tuesday, but if there’s any pain left I think I might be headed to the doctor. Hoping that it’s some sort of tendonitis, but the nature and location of the pain have me worried about a stress fracture.

Sorry to hear about the foot issue.

Have you checked how your foot rolls when running...supinate vs overpronate vs neutral?


I have a tendency to supinate and had some pain on the outside/top of my foot relatively early on. I tried some insoles to fix the issue, but I don't think they helped. I eventually worked on my cadence, foot landing (more on the mid sole vs heel), and began rotating in multiple pairs of shoes.

I am a huge believer in shoe rotation to keep your feet from becoming too use to a specific type and just continuously pounding them in the same manner. The different shoe types make your foot muscles adjust and get stronger.
I appreciate it. I have high arches and tend to supinate as well - insoles and supportive shoes helped with the arch pain I'd been experiencing, but I'm not sure they corrected the supination. I'm putting together a list of possible adjustments for whenever I get back out there, and cadence/foot strike/shoe rotation will be at the top. Went ahead and scheduled a visit to the doctor this morning because walking is still quite painful.
Glad you’re seeing a doc. Hopefully more of a stress reaction than anything fractured. Perhaps stick your whole foot in a ice bucket for a few mins to get a big chill on it, works so much better than any ice pack/wrap. You’ve been adding on nicely and hopefully this is just your body giving some feedback that a couple days off would be nice. Rotate shoes (buy moar shoes). Good luck.
 
Well, ****. Started to see tangible improvements in pace this week. Ran my first 10-miler since high school last weekend, cardio health indicators at all-time highs. But around mile 3 of today’s run, I suddenly felt some significant pain around the 5th metatarsal of my left foot. Finished the run, but I’m now walking with a limp as it hurts to put weight on that foot. I guess we’ll see how it feels when it’s time to run again on Tuesday, but if there’s any pain left I think I might be headed to the doctor. Hoping that it’s some sort of tendonitis, but the nature and location of the pain have me worried about a stress fracture.

Sorry to hear about the foot issue.

Have you checked how your foot rolls when running...supinate vs overpronate vs neutral?


I have a tendency to supinate and had some pain on the outside/top of my foot relatively early on. I tried some insoles to fix the issue, but I don't think they helped. I eventually worked on my cadence, foot landing (more on the mid sole vs heel), and began rotating in multiple pairs of shoes.

I am a huge believer in shoe rotation to keep your feet from becoming too use to a specific type and just continuously pounding them in the same manner. The different shoe types make your foot muscles adjust and get stronger.
I appreciate it. I have high arches and tend to supinate as well - insoles and supportive shoes helped with the arch pain I'd been experiencing, but I'm not sure they corrected the supination. I'm putting together a list of possible adjustments for whenever I get back out there, and cadence/foot strike/shoe rotation will be at the top. Went ahead and scheduled a visit to the doctor this morning because walking is still quite painful.
Let us know if he recommends a foot massage.
 
X-rays came back clean, as expected - no significant breaks. Stress fracture is still in play since those are unlikely to be detected by x-ray early on. Doctor suggested that a ligament sprain could be possible as well. The plan is to see how far RICE and NSAIDs get me, and in a couple weeks we might opt for more sensitive imaging if I'm still hobbling around. For now, it's time to find a stationary bike or elliptical to preserve some of the fitness I'd been gaining.
 
X-rays came back clean, as expected - no significant breaks. Stress fracture is still in play since those are unlikely to be detected by x-ray early on. Doctor suggested that a ligament sprain could be possible as well. The plan is to see how far RICE and NSAIDs get me, and in a couple weeks we might opt for more sensitive imaging if I'm still hobbling around. For now, it's time to find a stationary bike or elliptical to preserve some of the fitness I'd been gaining.
Good news. Wouldn’t be the worst idea to get a sports massage and/or up your foot/ankle/lower leg mobility stuff if it doesn’t aggravate pain to see if upstream can provide some relief downstream.
 
If any of you guys are in the market for gear, Shokx has 30% off most of its headphones through today, and Noxgear has 50% off through tomorrow.
I bought new OpenRuns a couple weeks ago to replace some I shook and sweated to death. Just saw the new individual ones that a guy at work has (open fit) and they are not on this current sale but super sweet.
 
LOL:

Yesterday I walked 3.25 miles in 45 min for a 13:53 pace. Average hr 121, 297 watts
Today Garmin was suggesting a base run at 13:45 for 1h2m. 13:54 pace. Average hr 136, average power 332 watts.

Temperature was a factor, but 13:54 was all I had. Not sure what training benefit I get when my base runs are too hard and slower than my walks. Feels like I'm spinning my wheels.
 
Any of you guys interested in joining the Footballguys Interboard Challenge FF League? It's a free league for bragging rights between the variousBoards around the web. Team competition with an individual title up for grabs too. Slow draft kicking off in a couple of weeks. 5 copies of every NFL player available.
 
Any of you guys interested in joining the Footballguys Interboard Challenge FF League? It's a free league for bragging rights between the variousBoards around the web. Team competition with an individual title up for grabs too. Slow draft kicking off in a couple of weeks. 5 copies of every NFL player available.
Between work, "75 Hard," and trying to train for a couple marathons and an ultra, if I try to add another obligation to my already full plate, I'm suddenly going to find myself with a lot more freedom and about half of my net worth, if you know what I mean...
 
Any of you guys interested in joining the Footballguys Interboard Challenge FF League? It's a free league for bragging rights between the variousBoards around the web. Team competition with an individual title up for grabs too. Slow draft kicking off in a couple of weeks. 5 copies of every NFL player available.
Between work, "75 Hard," and trying to train for a couple marathons and an ultra, if I try to add another obligation to my already full plate, I'm suddenly going to find myself with a lot more freedom and about half of my net worth, if you know what I mean...
So what's your fantasy team name for this going to be?
 
Any of you guys interested in joining the Footballguys Interboard Challenge FF League? It's a free league for bragging rights between the variousBoards around the web. Team competition with an individual title up for grabs too. Slow draft kicking off in a couple of weeks. 5 copies of every NFL player available.
Between work, "75 Hard," and trying to train for a couple marathons and an ultra, if I try to add another obligation to my already full plate, I'm suddenly going to find myself with a lot more freedom and about half of my net worth, if you know what I mean...
So what's your fantasy team name for this going to be?
Half the man I used to be.
 
Konnichiwa.

Looks like two of your boys are going to Tokyo next March. And all it took was sending almost $800 to some random Japanese charity (for the privilege of paying another couple hundred dollars to run around town).

For someone that has effectively given up on marathons, you sure enter/run a lot of marathons :lmao:


Super cool, though. What else is on your bucket list?
 
Tomorrow officially starts my 18 week training plan for Philly. I’m happy with where I am at with my fitness as my last 30 day efficiency numbers compare favorably to the past couple years.

DateDistanceTimeElevationHRPacePredicted MP
6/16/2023​
7/16/2023​
33​
247.1134:01:094,947128.6
8:16​
6:32​
6/16/2022​
7/16/2022​
29​
227.8631:24:323,881130.3
8:16​
6:38​
6/16/2021​
7/16/2021​
31​
270.2535:48:184,436136.7
7:57​
6:38​
6/16/2020​
7/16/2020​
27​
253.0333:57:185,304139.4
8:03​
6:52​
6/16/2019​
7/16/2019​
26​
190.2525:05:465,801140.5
7:55​
6:47​
6/16/2018​
7/16/2018​
32​
222.7528:48:128,187136.0
7:46​
6:24​

Some areas of focus ahead of training:
  • Need to focus on the long runs and the workouts. The rest is just getting miles in.
    • Don’t worry about the pace of the long runs
  • Marathon Pace miles, may attempt them at 6:35, last year 6:30 was a bit much for me and didn’t complete the MP miles a couple of times. I have shown with my tempo runs that I can run them slower than race pace.
  • Plan on tapering for Ocean City and taking a recovery week, breaks up the training cycle and can really focus on weeks 6-3 of the plan (October). Helps that I am in good shape heading into the training cycle.
    • Ocean City half should be a good indicator of what I am capable of, need close to 1:20 for sub 2:50 marathon attempt.
  • Don't really need to do much different than last year, just ran into some bad luck with the weather for Ocean City and Richmond
 
Who’d be interested in doing the Bourbon Chase Relay in Kentucky next fall? It’s October 6 this year, so I’d expect something similar in 2024.
 
Who’d be interested in doing the Bourbon Chase Relay in Kentucky next fall? It’s October 6 this year, so I’d expect something similar in 2024.
When do you need an answer? My 2024 vacation calendar depends on if our rescheduled vacation to Ireland gets back on the books. No way I can swing this if that's a go, but if it's punted to 2025 I'm interested.
 
Tomorrow officially starts my 18 week training plan for Philly. I’m happy with where I am at with my fitness as my last 30 day efficiency numbers compare favorably to the past couple years.

DateDistanceTimeElevationHRPacePredicted MP
6/16/2023​
7/16/2023​
33​
247.1134:01:094,947128.6
8:16​
6:32​
6/16/2022​
7/16/2022​
29​
227.8631:24:323,881130.3
8:16​
6:38​
6/16/2021​
7/16/2021​
31​
270.2535:48:184,436136.7
7:57​
6:38​
6/16/2020​
7/16/2020​
27​
253.0333:57:185,304139.4
8:03​
6:52​
6/16/2019​
7/16/2019​
26​
190.2525:05:465,801140.5
7:55​
6:47​
6/16/2018​
7/16/2018​
32​
222.7528:48:128,187136.0
7:46​
6:24​

Some areas of focus ahead of training:
  • Need to focus on the long runs and the workouts. The rest is just getting miles in.
    • Don’t worry about the pace of the long runs
  • Marathon Pace miles, may attempt them at 6:35, last year 6:30 was a bit much for me and didn’t complete the MP miles a couple of times. I have shown with my tempo runs that I can run them slower than race pace.
  • Plan on tapering for Ocean City and taking a recovery week, breaks up the training cycle and can really focus on weeks 6-3 of the plan (October). Helps that I am in good shape heading into the training cycle.
    • Ocean City half should be a good indicator of what I am capable of, need close to 1:20 for sub 2:50 marathon attempt.
  • Don't really need to do much different than last year, just ran into some bad luck with the weather for Ocean City and Richmond

You've been racking up really solid miles the last few weeks. I thought you were already in the cycle :thumbup:
 
Who’d be interested in doing the Bourbon Chase Relay in Kentucky next fall? It’s October 6 this year, so I’d expect something similar in 2024.
Would definitely be interested. But the draft school schedule shows Sep 28 - Oct 5 as fall break next year. Wife would disown me if I miss it. I actually reserved our house already.
 
Who’d be interested in doing the Bourbon Chase Relay in Kentucky next fall? It’s October 6 this year, so I’d expect something similar in 2024.
I’d be interested. Hopefully it stays first weekend, as I have a family commitment every Columbus Day weekend, so if it slipped to the second weekend I’d be out. This would be a 12 man team?
 
Who’d be interested in doing the Bourbon Chase Relay in Kentucky next fall? It’s October 6 this year, so I’d expect something similar in 2024.
When do you need an answer? My 2024 vacation calendar depends on if our rescheduled vacation to Ireland gets back on the books. No way I can swing this if that's a go, but if it's punted to 2025 I'm interested.
A definite answer? Probably not until next year sometime. Just trying to gauge interest at this point...
Who’d be interested in doing the Bourbon Chase Relay in Kentucky next fall? It’s October 6 this year, so I’d expect something similar in 2024.
I’d be interested. Hopefully it stays first weekend, as I have a family commitment every Columbus Day weekend, so if it slipped to the second weekend I’d be out. This would be a 12 man team?
Yes, 12-man team.
 
Is anyone else using HRV?
Last night was my first time assessing, 42 seems low. But after the 3 hour race and we hosted a “soak your own” party last night with 5 other families who all brought various fruit soaked in tequila, vodka, bourbon, coconut rum, etc. my Irish whiskey walnuts were pretty good, everyone seemed to enjoy them. Might have overdone it but good times had by all. Probably affected HRV though.

What do y’all do with the information? The training status shows that I’m well rested - but that’s probably because I didn’t have the watch for the race 🤷
Just another datapoint for me to assess fitness and fatigue. I give a bit more weight to RHR because that's usually less noisy for me, but looking at month over month trends, HRV does track my overall fitness levels pretty well. Averaging 80 ms so far in July, up from 49 ms in April. Alcohol definitely has a negative impact - my HRV typically gets very high overnight, but will be noticeably lower after an evening of drinking.
:lmao:

Mine is stuck at 38-40.
 
Who’d be interested in doing the Bourbon Chase Relay in Kentucky next fall? It’s October 6 this year, so I’d expect something similar in 2024.
I'm interested but I can't commit to anything yet. My oldest will be starting college that fall, I should have a better idea by the end of this year.
 
Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.
 
Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.
Yeah, I find my arms tired when I’ve been going through the lotions.
I lift almost exclusively in the morning so I’ll just add 10% to my lifts 💪 😉
really, I need to man up and get someone to spot me. I’ve reached past my goal of 12 reps bench at body weight, now at 5-7 reps at 205 but I’m too scared of not being able to push the weight back up to jump to 225.
 
Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.
Everyone is different, but generally speaking peak performance occurs sometime during the day; not early or late in it.
 

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