Ran a 10k - Official Thread (4 Viewers)

[gianmarco]

Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.

Everyone is different, but generally speaking peak performance occurs sometime during the day; not early or late in it.

We still talking about running or lifting? Or now we really talking about going through lotions?

 

[MAC_32]

Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.

Everyone is different, but generally speaking peak performance occurs sometime during the day; not early or late in it.

We still talking about running or lifting? Or now we really talking about going through lotions?

Anything athletic really, but unless you're doing some high intensity running any impact is marginal and can be offset by weather conditions.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Interested in relay team. But need to see how the next 6-9 months shake out.

Struggling with my running these days.

 

[gruecd]

Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.

I think I see the problem....

I want to know what exactly he's "lifting..."

 

[gruecd]

Do we know if there's gonna be any kind of "public" marathon run in conjunction with the Trials in Orlando next year?

 

[tri-man 47]

Do we know if there's gonna be any kind of "public" marathon run in conjunction with the Trials in Orlando next year?

Thinking about maybe/possibly getting back into marathoning, are ya?

 

[gianmarco]

Do we know if there's gonna be any kind of "public" marathon run in conjunction with the Trials in Orlando next year?

Thinking about maybe/possibly getting back into marathoning, are ya?

Look, after Erie and Berlin and Tokyo and Orlando, he's done.

 

[tri-man 47]

Do we know if there's gonna be any kind of "public" marathon run in conjunction with the Trials in Orlando next year?

Thinking about maybe/possibly getting back into marathoning, are ya?

Look, after Erie and Berlin and Tokyo and Orlando, he's done.

<Mrs.Grue> "Oh, he's done alright." </Mrs.Grue>

 

[gruecd]

You guys crack me up. I definitely have a love/hate relationship with this stupid hobby...

Anyway, I talked to two of my friends who are qualified for the Trials, and neither of them has heard of any open-to-the-public marathon accompanying the event.

 

[ChiefD]

You guys crack me up. I definitely have a love/hate relationship with this stupid hobby...

Anyway, I talked to two of my friends who are qualified for the Trials, and neither of them has heard of any open-to-the-public marathon accompanying the event.

That's a sign from The Lord.

 

[bushdocda]

Anyway, I talked to two of my friends who are qualified for the Trials, and neither of them has heard of any open-to-the-public marathon accompanying the event.

I thought I heard a comment on a podcast that trials race would be a midday start. Seems that would be a bit mean even in February.

 

[gruecd]

I've reversed my previous position and now maintain that the Saucony Endorphin Speed v3 is better than v2.

That is all.

 

[bushdocda]

I've reversed my previous position and now maintain that the Saucony Endorphin Speed v3 is better than v2.

That is all.

Great shoe.

 

[BassNBrew]

Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.

Everyone is different, but generally speaking peak performance occurs sometime during the day; not early or late in it.

We still talking about running or lifting? Or now we really talking about going through lotions?

Anything athletic really, but unless you're doing some high intensity running any impact is marginal and can be offset by weather conditions.

Your opinion on lifting? Am I getting a decent benefit if my lifts are off by 5%?

 

[BassNBrew]

9 x 2 min at 10:15 pace was the workout yesterday. Completed it at 9:49 pace. Caught a break with the heat as it was in the mid 80s instead of north of 90 degrees.

 

[Zasada]

Endorphin Pro 2 for $40. Includes a free backpack as well. Available sizes vary.

 

[MAC_32]

Question for you guys. When I lift early in the morning my lifts are off by 5-10% compared to the afternoon or night. Seems like I’m missing out on a significant part of the benefit just “going through the lotions”.

Everyone is different, but generally speaking peak performance occurs sometime during the day; not early or late in it.

We still talking about running or lifting? Or now we really talking about going through lotions?

Anything athletic really, but unless you're doing some high intensity running any impact is marginal and can be offset by weather conditions.

Your opinion on lifting? Am I getting a decent benefit if my lifts are off by 5%?

Oh, yeah. Standard juice vs squeeze rules apply, but something is usually better than nothing for most of us. Gone are the days when we had nothing but time and when our lives slow to allow for it again our bodies will limit how much we can do. If your window to exercise, no matter what it is, is at a suboptimal time then (almost) always take it anyway. Only exceptions I can think of are if you're trending towards over-training and/or aren't on sufficient rest.

 

[Sand]

Just wanted to chime in here with the observation that coming back to riding from a 3 week hiatus (including a week of 102-103 fever and a second week of harsh antibiotics that dropped me 8 lbs) on the most brutal day of the year - 170 suck index - was probably not the best idea.

Someone, who shall remain unnamed, may have internally debated this and said "**** it" and rode anyway. That guy is dumb as rocks.

 

[SayWhat?]

Just wanted to chime in here with the observation that coming back to riding from a 3 week hiatus (including a week of 102-103 fever and a second week of harsh antibiotics that dropped me 8 lbs) on the most brutal day of the year - 170 suck index - was probably not the best idea.

Someone, who shall remain unnamed, may have internally debated this and said "**** it" and rode anyway. That guy is dumb as rocks.

Eight pounds ya say? I gotta get me some of those antibiotics.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I think I’m gaining the skill of estimating AQI by looking at the morning sun and general haziness. Yay?

 

[gianmarco]

I think I’m gaining the skill of estimating AQI by looking at the morning sun and general haziness. Yay?

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

 

[gianmarco]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

 

[gianmarco]

I know the Garmin VO2 max thing isn't perfect, but, at least for me, it does a pretty good job tracking the trends and where I'm at. My relative baseline over the past 5 years has been about 45 when I'm not really running. If it gets to 47, I'm doing ok, 48 means I'm in pretty decent shape. 49 means I'm in really good shape and have been running a lot. I've hit 50 a couple times, but only briefly (a week or so) and it was when I was in my best shape (spring 2020 and I think during J&J training in 2021).

This past February, with minimal running for months, I had gotten down to 42 (oops). I was at 44 in late April about when I started building a little.

Anyway, just hit 48 and feeling solid. Legs a little tired overall but not bad. My AHR on similar runs has dropped 15 BPM in less than 2 months. If I can keep this up for another month, I'll be in a good spot.

 

[Zasada]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

Geez, that's a crazy amount of water intake. Even on the hottest TX days, I might drink a litre mid-run (on a ~2hr run), but not much more than that. I also try to make it ice-water, and have observed that it buys me about 10bpm from the cooling effect for a little bit.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

Geez, that's a crazy amount of water intake. Even on the hottest TX days, I might drink a litre mid-run (on a ~2hr run), but not much more than that. I also try to make it ice-water, and have observed that it buys me about 10bbm from the cooling effect for a little bit.

I have a small handheld, but I haven't taken it at all this summer, as I feel that it's not enough to make much of a dent in thirst and it's a pain to carry, so I don't drink on my runs. Of course, my runs in the summer are 70 minutes or less - if I went longer I would have to come up with a better plan. Ice water would definitely help, as in my opinion the limiting factor on my runs is overheating rather than dehydration. If I manage to stumble across a sprinkler to run through that gives me much more of a boost than several ounces of water.

 

[xulf]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

 

[gianmarco]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

 

[bushdocda]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

Don’t forget the Muscle milks and ammo belt of gu

 

[gianmarco]

Plus, from the 75 Hard thread, if Grue ends up running shirtless in Berlin (which I'm sure he will), I'm definitely going to PR by a lot.

 

[JShare87]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

I think there’s something wrong with you. That’s a crazy amount of weight loss. I never drink anything down here in this sauna, no matter the distance. Not a chance I could lose ten pounds on a run.

 

[gianmarco]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

I think there’s something wrong with you. That’s a crazy amount of weight loss. I never drink anything down here in this sauna, no matter the distance. Not a chance I could lose ten pounds on a run.

Thanks!

It's also only during the summer and it's only when it's humid.

During the winter, I could go out and do 10 and not drink anything and be fine. Also, ran a couple weeks ago when the DP was only 60 and I didn't sweat much at all.

I'm just a performance machine that can overheat easily in the wrong conditions.

 

[gruecd]

Been trying to run a nearby ~10K trail loop (almost 1,000 feet of gain) once a week to start acclimating my legs for R2R2R amidst my road marathon training. My PR is 50:13 back in 2020, and so far my three efforts this year have been 60:52, 59:36, and then 58:06 last night. Certainly trending in the right direction, but (a) it's hard to fathom running 50:13 again, and (b) it's really amazing how trail fitness is just entirely different than road fitness.

ETA: I just looked back, and it was 46° when I ran the course PR versus 80° yesterday.

 

[bushdocda]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

I think there’s something wrong with you. That’s a crazy amount of weight loss. I never drink anything down here in this sauna, no matter the distance. Not a chance I could lose ten pounds on a run.

Thanks!

It's also only during the summer and it's only when it's humid.

During the winter, I could go out and do 10 and not drink anything and be fine. Also, ran a couple weeks ago when the DP was only 60 and I didn't sweat much at all.

I'm just a performance machine that can overheat easily in the wrong conditions.

Sorry to interject in a doctoral discussion but heavy sweaters especially benefit from hydration and electrolyte loading sort of like raceday but ahead of long runs and workouts.
Still miserable out there sometimes but can be more resource sparing.

 

[gruecd]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

I think there’s something wrong with you. That’s a crazy amount of weight loss. I never drink anything down here in this sauna, no matter the distance. Not a chance I could lose ten pounds on a run.

Thanks!

It's also only during the summer and it's only when it's humid.

During the winter, I could go out and do 10 and not drink anything and be fine. Also, ran a couple weeks ago when the DP was only 60 and I didn't sweat much at all.

I'm just a performance machine that can overheat easily in the wrong conditions.

Sorry to interject in a doctoral discussion but heavy sweaters especially benefit from hydration and electrolyte loading sort of like raceday but ahead of long runs and workouts.
Still miserable out there sometimes but can be more resource sparing.

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

 

[ChiefD]

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Is there any worry that you are drinking "too much" water for training? I know that hyponatremia is a real thing.

I remember years ago when I started running and before I hit this thread a friend of mine who was a triathlete warned me about overhydrating due to the fact it can wash important nutrients out of your system.

I'm sure some of you smarter guys can clarify that but to me it's something to think about as you consume all that water.

 

[bushdocda]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

I think there’s something wrong with you. That’s a crazy amount of weight loss. I never drink anything down here in this sauna, no matter the distance. Not a chance I could lose ten pounds on a run.

Thanks!

It's also only during the summer and it's only when it's humid.

During the winter, I could go out and do 10 and not drink anything and be fine. Also, ran a couple weeks ago when the DP was only 60 and I didn't sweat much at all.

I'm just a performance machine that can overheat easily in the wrong conditions.

Sorry to interject in a doctoral discussion but heavy sweaters especially benefit from hydration and electrolyte loading sort of like raceday but ahead of long runs and workouts.
Still miserable out there sometimes but can be more resource sparing.

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Sorry I mean more like this stuff added to water not more water.
Stay hard.

Skratch Labs Hydration Sport Mix

Boost your game with Skratch Labs hydration mix. Optimal nutrients, multiple flavors. Athlete-approved.

thefeed.com

 

[gianmarco]

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Is there any worry that you are drinking "too much" water for training? I know that hyponatremia is a real thing.

I remember years ago when I started running and before I hit this thread a friend of mine who was a triathlete warned me about overhydrating due to the fact it can wash important nutrients out of your system.

I'm sure some of you smarter guys can clarify that but to me it's something to think about as you consume all that water.

In general, that's a bigger concern as a one time event, like a race, where you lose a lot of salt and replace the water too rapidly without replacing the sodium. Not over time because your body will let you know that you need salt and it'll adjust it in your urine over time.

Along those lines, the crazy thing for me is that I'm NOT a big salt waster. I never have any of those salt lines or residue on my face or clothes or anything. The sweat isn't salty, doesn't burn my eyes, none of the classic stuff of big salt wasting. Even still, I've been increasing my overall salt intake when I eat and I take salt tabs when I go out to run and I think I'm going to start bring some with me to take during runs as well. Plus, there's sodium in the GU.

If I were going to continue doing marathons (which I'm not), I would strongly consider doing a sweat analysis test at this point so I can figure this out. But, I'm just going to ride through this and try to not die in the next 2 months.

 

[gruecd]

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Is there any worry that you are drinking "too much" water for training? I know that hyponatremia is a real thing.

I remember years ago when I started running and before I hit this thread a friend of mine who was a triathlete warned me about overhydrating due to the fact it can wash important nutrients out of your system.

I'm sure some of you smarter guys can clarify that but to me it's something to think about as you consume all that water.

In general, that's a bigger concern as a one time event, like a race, where you lose a lot of salt and replace the water too rapidly without replacing the sodium. Not over time because your body will let you know that you need salt and it'll adjust it in your urine over time.

Along those lines, the crazy thing for me is that I'm NOT a big salt waster. I never have any of those salt lines or residue on my face or clothes or anything. The sweat isn't salty, doesn't burn my eyes, none of the classic stuff of big salt wasting. Even still, I've been increasing my overall salt intake when I eat and I take salt tabs when I go out to run and I think I'm going to start bring some with me to take during runs as well. Plus, there's sodium in the GU.

If I were going to continue doing marathons (which I'm not), I would strongly consider doing a sweat analysis test at this point so I can figure this out. But, I'm just going to ride through this and try to not die in the next 2 months.

:Googles "sweat analysis testing":

 

[caustic]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

I think there’s something wrong with you. That’s a crazy amount of weight loss. I never drink anything down here in this sauna, no matter the distance. Not a chance I could lose ten pounds on a run.

Thanks!

It's also only during the summer and it's only when it's humid.

During the winter, I could go out and do 10 and not drink anything and be fine. Also, ran a couple weeks ago when the DP was only 60 and I didn't sweat much at all.

I'm just a performance machine that can overheat easily in the wrong conditions.

Sorry to interject in a doctoral discussion but heavy sweaters especially benefit from hydration and electrolyte loading sort of like raceday but ahead of long runs and workouts.
Still miserable out there sometimes but can be more resource sparing.

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Sorry I mean more like this stuff added to water not more water.
Stay hard.

https://thefeed.com/products/skratch-labs-hyper-hydration[/URLI]

I just picked up some of these because I appear to be both a high-volume sweater and a salty sweater. I get the stinging eyes, salt lines, and my cats want to lick my legs after I come in from a run. The plan is to have a stick the day before a long/intense/hot run and put another in my water bottle to sip on during the workout as well.

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Is there any worry that you are drinking "too much" water for training? I know that hyponatremia is a real thing.

I remember years ago when I started running and before I hit this thread a friend of mine who was a triathlete warned me about overhydrating due to the fact it can wash important nutrients out of your system.

I'm sure some of you smarter guys can clarify that but to me it's something to think about as you consume all that water.

In general, that's a bigger concern as a one time event, like a race, where you lose a lot of salt and replace the water too rapidly without replacing the sodium. Not over time because your body will let you know that you need salt and it'll adjust it in your urine over time.

Along those lines, the crazy thing for me is that I'm NOT a big salt waster. I never have any of those salt lines or residue on my face or clothes or anything. The sweat isn't salty, doesn't burn my eyes, none of the classic stuff of big salt wasting. Even still, I've been increasing my overall salt intake when I eat and I take salt tabs when I go out to run and I think I'm going to start bring some with me to take during runs as well. Plus, there's sodium in the GU.

If I were going to continue doing marathons (which I'm not), I would strongly consider doing a sweat analysis test at this point so I can figure this out. But, I'm just going to ride through this and try to not die in the next 2 months.

Have you thought about a creatine cycle? You could probably add 2-4 pounds of water in your muscles which might help endurance and get some recovery benefit. If you stopped about 3-4 weeks before the race you would drop that water weight. Jason Koop released a recent podcast about the benefits.

 

[gianmarco]

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Is there any worry that you are drinking "too much" water for training? I know that hyponatremia is a real thing.

I remember years ago when I started running and before I hit this thread a friend of mine who was a triathlete warned me about overhydrating due to the fact it can wash important nutrients out of your system.

I'm sure some of you smarter guys can clarify that but to me it's something to think about as you consume all that water.

In general, that's a bigger concern as a one time event, like a race, where you lose a lot of salt and replace the water too rapidly without replacing the sodium. Not over time because your body will let you know that you need salt and it'll adjust it in your urine over time.

Along those lines, the crazy thing for me is that I'm NOT a big salt waster. I never have any of those salt lines or residue on my face or clothes or anything. The sweat isn't salty, doesn't burn my eyes, none of the classic stuff of big salt wasting. Even still, I've been increasing my overall salt intake when I eat and I take salt tabs when I go out to run and I think I'm going to start bring some with me to take during runs as well. Plus, there's sodium in the GU.

If I were going to continue doing marathons (which I'm not), I would strongly consider doing a sweat analysis test at this point so I can figure this out. But, I'm just going to ride through this and try to not die in the next 2 months.

Have you thought about a creatine cycle? You could probably add 2-4 pounds of water in your muscles which might help endurance and get some recovery benefit. If you stopped about 3-4 weeks before the race you would drop that water weight. Jason Koop released a recent podcast about the benefits.

Details/Cliff's? I don't do podcasts, but I'm curious....

 

[BassNBrew]

Have you thought about a creatine cycle? You could probably add 2-4 pounds of water in your muscles which might help endurance and get some recovery benefit. If you stopped about 3-4 weeks before the race you would drop that water weight. Jason Koop released a recent podcast about the benefits.

Details/Cliff's? I don't do podcasts, but I'm curious....

Should Runners Supplement With Creatine?​

As an ultra runner, you are always looking for ways to improve your performance and take your running to the next level. One supplement that has been gaining popularity in the running community is creatine. But what exactly is creatine, and how can it benefit ultra runners?

In this post, we will dive deep into the science behind creatine and explore its benefits for endurance athletes like ultra runners. From improved endurance and stamina to enhanced muscle recovery and mental clarity, we will cover everything you need to know about how creatine can help take your running to the next level. We will also address common misconceptions and concerns surrounding creatine supplementation and guide dosages and timing for optimal results.

So should ultra runners supplement with creatine? Read on to find out.

What is Creatine and How Does it Work for Ultra Runners?​

Creatine is a natural compound that is found in meat and fish. It helps to provide energy to the muscles during short bursts of high-intensity exercises, such as sprinting. For ultra runners, creatine can be beneficial as it can help to improve endurance and reduce fatigue. However, it is important to note that creatine should only be taken in moderation and under the guidance of a healthcare professional.

The amount of creatine that runners should take depends on several factors, including body weight and exercise intensity. It is generally recommended that runners start with a low dose and gradually increase it over time.

In addition to creatine, other supplements can be beneficial for ultra runners. These include protein powders, BCAAs (branched-chain amino acids), and caffeine. As with any supplement, it is important to do your research and speak with a healthcare professional before beginning use.

UNDERSTANDING CREATINE AND ITS BENEFITS FOR ENDURANCE ATHLETES​

Creatine is an amino acid that occurs naturally in the body and helps to provide energy to muscles during exercise. It can also be taken as a supplement to help increase power output and performance. For endurance athletes, such as ultra runners, creatine can be particularly beneficial.

Research has shown that taking creatine supplements can improve running performance, especially in long-distance events. It can also help with recovery times between workouts and reduce post-exercise fatigue. Additionally, the side effects of taking creatine are minimal.

However, before taking any supplements, it is important to consult with a doctor. They can advise on dosage and potential interactions with other medications or health conditions. Overall, for ultra runners looking to enhance their performance and endurance, creatine may be a useful addition to their training regimen.

What are the Benefits of Creatine for Ultra Runners?​

Creatine is a popular supplement among athletes and has been found to have many benefits for ultra runners. Creatine aids in the production of ATP, which fuels muscle contractions during high-intensity activities such as sprints. This results in improved performance and increased muscle power and strength.

Additionally, creatine helps with faster recovery after intense training and races by reducing inflammation and muscle damage. It has also been shown to improve cognitive functioning and focus during endurance events. These benefits make creatine a valuable supplement for ultra runners looking to improve their performance and recovery time. However, it is important to consult with a healthcare provider before starting any new supplement regimen.

1. IMPROVED ENDURANCE AND STAMINA​

Creatine is a naturally occurring molecule found in the body that helps provide energy to muscles. For ultra runners, supplementing with creatine has been found to have several benefits, including improved endurance and stamina. This allows runners to run longer and faster, which can be especially important during long-distance runs.

In addition to improving endurance, creatine may also help reduce muscle fatigue and soreness, making it easier for runners to recover in between runs. Creatine can also help improve lean muscle mass and strength, which can help runners increase their speed.

Finally, creatine may also help reduce the risk of injury by increasing muscle tissue strength and resilience. With all of these benefits, it’s no wonder that many runners choose to supplement with creatine as part of their training regimen.

2. INCREASED ENERGY LEVELS​

Creatine is an amino acid that is naturally produced by the body but can also be supplemented. For ultra runners, creatine has several benefits, including increased energy levels. Creatine helps muscles produce ATP, which provides them with energy for intense activities such as long-distance running. Studies have shown that supplementing with creatine can improve energy levels during endurance exercise, allowing runners to push themselves further and longer.

Additionally, it has been suggested that creatine can reduce fatigue and muscle soreness in runners. To reap the benefits of creatine supplementation, it is recommended to take it before or during exercise. Ultra runners should consider incorporating creatine into their supplement regimen before their next long run to experience increased energy levels and reduced muscle fatigue.

3. ENHANCED MUSCLE RECOVERY​

Creatine is a naturally occurring compound found in the body and can also be consumed through dietary sources or supplements. For ultra runners, creatine has several benefits including enhanced muscle recovery. It has been shown to improve performance, reduce fatigue, and help athletes maintain energy levels during longer runs and races.

In addition, creatine can increase strength and power output, which are important for ultra runners. Lastly, it can reduce the risk of injury by helping to protect muscles from damage caused by intense exercise. As such, supplementing with creatine may be a worthwhile consideration for runners looking to enhance their performance and overall health.

4. IMPROVED MENTAL CLARITY AND FOCUS​

For ultra runners, creatine can provide a range of benefits to help improve endurance and performance. One of the key benefits is that it increases the body’s natural production of ATP, which provides energy for intense physical activity. This means that runners who supplement with creatine may be able to run faster and longer without feeling as fatigued.

In addition, creatine has also been shown to improve mental clarity and focus. This is important for runners who need to stay alert and focused during long or intense runs. By improving mental cognition, creatine can help runners maintain their pace and avoid distractions that might otherwise slow them down.

Other benefits of creatine supplementation include increased muscle strength and improved recovery time between workouts. These benefits make creatine an effective supplement for ultra runners who are looking to improve their performance and achieve their goals.

5. INCREASED MUSCLE MASS​

Creatine is a supplement that is beneficial for ultra runners. It can help increase muscle mass and strength, which in turn leads to better performance. Additionally, creatine helps the body produce more energy, allowing runners to go farther and faster. It also helps reduce fatigue and muscle soreness during recovery.

Moreover, one of the benefits of creatine for ultra runners is that it can boost the immune system, reducing the risk of illness and injury. Research suggests that creatine supplementation can strengthen the immune system by increasing white blood cell count and function.

Overall, incorporating creatine into an ultra runner’s supplement regimen can have several benefits for improving performance and reducing the risk of injury or illness. However, as with any supplement, it is important to consult with a healthcare professional before use.

6. REDUCED MUSCLE DAMAGE​

For ultra runners, supplementing with creatine can offer several benefits to improve performance. Creatine is a naturally occurring compound found in the body that helps provide energy for muscle contractions. By supplementing with creatine, runners can boost power, increase strength and enhance endurance during long-distance running events.

In addition to these benefits, creatine can also reduce muscle damage caused by intense exercise, which aids in recovery and reduces soreness. This is especially beneficial for ultra runners who need to recover quickly between races.

Finally, supplementing with creatine has been linked to improved cognitive function and mental focus throughout a race. With all of these benefits considered, it’s clear that creatine supplementation could be a valuable addition to an ultra runner’s training regimen.

 

[gianmarco]

Ok, one more detailed post on SweatyGuys, because I'm an idiot.

I forgot that the CamelBak Rogue I got for my last training cycle really worked well. I decided to take it out and use it for my 7 mile run today to see how it would go and practice for future long runs.

Hydrated some this morning. Had a breakfast of yogurt/honey/jelly to get some pre-run fuel in. Filled up the pack, which can hold 2.5L, figure I got about 2.25L (5 lbs) into it. The pack by itself weighs 0.5 lbs.

Checked my weight and it was 206.7. I then put the pack on and it was 212.2. Exactly 5.5 pounds above. Perfect. Got dressed, took a salt tab, drank some more water, did a quick weight change check and was up another 0.3 pounds from the water. So, start weight was 207 exactly.

Ran 7 miles in 91/71 (SI of 162) with elevation. Hydrated throughout the run, took a GU at just over 4 miles (just to practice, honestly, as I don't normally take them on a run like this). Finished the run, even did my last mile fastest. Compared to the same run 2 weeks ago in similar conditions, I ran it at the same AHR but 15 seconds/mile faster.

Weigh in at the end of the run was 204.4. Had 1/4L left of water, so drank 2 L exactly (4.4 lbs). Drank 4.4 and down 2.6 (207 - 204.4), which means I lost 7 lbs. And I ran 7 miles. So that is my pretty consistent rate.

Of note, i felt pretty good for the entire run, and, most importantly, I feel great after the run. I usually feel pretty worn out, drink a ton when I get home, and don't start feeling better until about an hour later. None of that today. I only finished that last 1/4L of water (about 0.5 lb) and wasn't thirsty. Feel fantastic.

So, I just need to bring this thing along for any runs over 5 miles. I just wish I didn't wait so long to start using it this cycle. Plus, the extra weight I'm carrying will help when I shed it for race day, plus that was my own weight just a couple months ago (and more) and it goes down as I run anyway.

TL;DR: Hydrate, boys.

 

[BassNBrew]

The down side is you will put on 2-4 pounds in water weight. If you drop the creatine about three weeks out you should drop that weight.

The upside is starting each training run with that water on board.

I would suggest 20 grams for 5-7 days then 5 grams a day maintenance. Phase out when you start your taper.

 

[gruecd]

The down side is you will put on 2-4 pounds in water weight. If you drop the creatine about three weeks out you should drop that weight.

The upside is starting each training run with that water on board.

I would suggest 20 grams for 5-7 days then 5 grams a day maintenance. Phase out when you start your taper.

The extra water weight would F with my head way too much mentally.

 

[bushdocda]

Same, but with the dew point.

Actually, that's not accurate. I just guess 70+every day and I just happen to right 90% of the time.

I know the entry said you cut it short, but I'm impressed you managed 13 over the weekend. Seems brutal in those conditions.

My 8 miles on Saturday actually felt non horrible for the first time in a few weeks. I'd like to think that heat acclimation is kicking in, but I think the SI was ~150 instead of the ~155-160 that the previous two weekends were, so it's hard to say for sure.

Thanks.

I've been trying to not complain (too much) about the weather (a few might disagree based on their texts, but still....). It just is what it is and I just get out there and do the best I can do. For the most part, I think I've been managing it fine.

We've gone through this before when I posted about this a good bit my last training cycle 2-3 years ago with the sweating and water intake struggles. I've been doing weight checks before and after runs and I'm consistently losing 1 pound every mile I run. Knowing this has helped over the last couple weeks, but I really didn't think long enough about getting it right for my planned 15 miler this past Sunday. I just figured I would keep hydrating and it would be ok.

For background, 2 months ago, I was at my heaviest I've been since I started running. I've gotten my weight back down and I'm currently ~206. That's about what I've raced both other marathons as well as the relay last year. I'm going to try and get under 200.

Anyway, the day before the long run, I ate a good brunch, was at Six Flags most of the day with one of my kids and hydrated really well and then had Chinese food in the early evening. Ate more than usual trying to load up on sodium and drinking. Went to bed at 211 (success), woke up and was 210 when I left for my run.

Went to the park and was doing 5 mile loops. Took a salt tab before I started. Carried an 11oz water bottle with. Drank that at 2 miles (3/4 lb). Got to the car and took a gu and drank a full liter (2.2 lbs of water). Carried another 11oz water bottle, drank at 7 miles. Back to the car at 10 miles and took another gu and drank another liter (2.2 lbs). Wasn't feeling well so did the shorter loop and decided it was smart to end the run at 13. Drank another liter when I was done, got home and drank another liter plus. All totaled, I drank over a gallon, probably 9lbs of water.

Hopped on the scale and I was 203.

At the end of that run, I had to have been down over 10 pounds before drinking those last 2 liters. Now I know why I felt awful. And, based on the calculations, I should have known that because even though I thought I was drinking enough, I wasn't even close. And that is my biggest struggle with this stupid heat/humidity. I honestly don't care how it otherwise feels as much as having to deal with the logistics of drinking so much for any kind of distance.

And, to confirm, yesterday morning I left in the AM for an easy 3 mile run. I ran in some decent shade, it was "only" 82/69 (it felt completely fine out there, seriously), and kept it slow with my AHR of 137. I was 204.7 pounds when I left for the run. I was 201.9 when I got back. And, my HR definitely started climbing that 3rd mile.

Anyway, this was my "venting" post. We are now officially less than 2 months away from race day so I'm just going to keep doing the best I can to keep getting miles in. At least it's a habit now and the weight loss has been good. Runs, even in these temps, are finally starting to feel easy. This week is going to be the worst one yet weather wise so I'm going to step it back a bit and just run slow stuff all week and try to get up over 30 again. Without a time goal, I just want to be sure I can cover the distance and I'm hoping I can get there in the next couple months.

I think you drank more water during that run than I do in a week

The silly thing is that I didn't even drink half of what I needed to during the run.

Per the math, I need to drink 1L every 2 miles I run. I needed 7L for that 13 mile run (almost 2 gallons).

That's why I laugh at everyone saying the drinking part of 75 Hard is difficult.

I think there’s something wrong with you. That’s a crazy amount of weight loss. I never drink anything down here in this sauna, no matter the distance. Not a chance I could lose ten pounds on a run.

Thanks!

It's also only during the summer and it's only when it's humid.

During the winter, I could go out and do 10 and not drink anything and be fine. Also, ran a couple weeks ago when the DP was only 60 and I didn't sweat much at all.

I'm just a performance machine that can overheat easily in the wrong conditions.

Sorry to interject in a doctoral discussion but heavy sweaters especially benefit from hydration and electrolyte loading sort of like raceday but ahead of long runs and workouts.
Still miserable out there sometimes but can be more resource sparing.

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Sorry I mean more like this stuff added to water not more water.
Stay hard.

https://thefeed.com/products/skratch-labs-hyper-hydration[/URLI]

I just picked up some of these because I appear to be both a high-volume sweater and a salty sweater. I get the stinging eyes, salt lines, and my cats want to lick my legs after I come in from a run. The plan is to have a stick the day before a long/intense/hot run and put another in my water bottle to sip on during the workout as well.

Big fan of these

 

[bushdocda]

Ok, one more detailed post on SweatyGuys, because I'm an idiot.

I forgot that the CamelBak Rogue I got for my last training cycle really worked well. I decided to take it out and use it for my 7 mile run today to see how it would go and practice for future long runs.

Hydrated some this morning. Had a breakfast of yogurt/honey/jelly to get some pre-run fuel in. Filled up the pack, which can hold 2.5L, figure I got about 2.25L (5 lbs) into it. The pack by itself weighs 0.5 lbs.

Checked my weight and it was 206.7. I then put the pack on and it was 212.2. Exactly 5.5 pounds above. Perfect. Got dressed, took a salt tab, drank some more water, did a quick weight change check and was up another 0.3 pounds from the water. So, start weight was 207 exactly.

Ran 7 miles in 91/71 (SI of 162) with elevation. Hydrated throughout the run, took a GU at just over 4 miles (just to practice, honestly, as I don't normally take them on a run like this). Finished the run, even did my last mile fastest. Compared to the same run 2 weeks ago in similar conditions, I ran it at the same AHR but 15 seconds/mile faster.

Weigh in at the end of the run was 204.4. Had 1/4L left of water, so drank 2 L exactly (4.4 lbs). Drank 4.4 and down 2.6 (207 - 204.4), which means I lost 7 lbs. And I ran 7 miles. So that is my pretty consistent rate.

Of note, i felt pretty good for the entire run, and, most importantly, I feel great after the run. I usually feel pretty worn out, drink a ton when I get home, and don't start feeling better until about an hour later. None of that today. I only finished that last 1/4L of water (about 0.5 lb) and wasn't thirsty. Feel fantastic.

So, I just need to bring this thing along for any runs over 5 miles. I just wish I didn't wait so long to start using it this cycle. Plus, the extra weight I'm carrying will help when I shed it for race day, plus that was my own weight just a couple months ago (and more) and it goes down as I run anyway.

TL;DR: Hydrate, boys.

Good prep and good run. Sucks you often have to run at the worst heat conditions of the day.

 

[BassNBrew]

The down side is you will put on 2-4 pounds in water weight. If you drop the creatine about three weeks out you should drop that weight.

The upside is starting each training run with that water on board.

I would suggest 20 grams for 5-7 days then 5 grams a day maintenance. Phase out when you start your taper.

The extra water weight would F with my head way too much mentally.

Worth it for increased endurance, muscle recovery, and reduced damage. Plus you drop that water weight when you cycle off. How much of mental boost would it be to taper and lose weight?

 

[xulf]

I'm drinking at least a gallon of water every day for "75 Hard." I don't know how much more "loading" I can do.

Is there any worry that you are drinking "too much" water for training? I know that hyponatremia is a real thing.

I remember years ago when I started running and before I hit this thread a friend of mine who was a triathlete warned me about overhydrating due to the fact it can wash important nutrients out of your system.

I'm sure some of you smarter guys can clarify that but to me it's something to think about as you consume all that water.

In general, that's a bigger concern as a one time event, like a race, where you lose a lot of salt and replace the water too rapidly without replacing the sodium. Not over time because your body will let you know that you need salt and it'll adjust it in your urine over time.

Along those lines, the crazy thing for me is that I'm NOT a big salt waster. I never have any of those salt lines or residue on my face or clothes or anything. The sweat isn't salty, doesn't burn my eyes, none of the classic stuff of big salt wasting. Even still, I've been increasing my overall salt intake when I eat and I take salt tabs when I go out to run and I think I'm going to start bring some with me to take during runs as well. Plus, there's sodium in the GU.

If I were going to continue doing marathons (which I'm not), I would strongly consider doing a sweat analysis test at this point so I can figure this out. But, I'm just going to ride through this and try to not die in the next 2 months.

Have you noticed a difference in the amount of sweat with the increase of salt?

Just spitballing, but is it possible the extra salt is causing you to retain more fluids which then gets released on your runs. Essentially causing a vicious/moist cycle of excess stored fluids and excess sweating?

I know you've always been a high volume sweater, just not sure if the extra salt is helping or exacerbating the issue.