tri-man 47
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Ah, yes. I was trying to use my mouse to drag it.
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xulf
Footballguy
Ah, yes. I was trying to use my mouse to drag it.
It looks like it's an embedded table. If you're on a computer, the bottom of the table (not the bottom of the webpage) should have a right to left scroll bar.
gianmarco
Footballguy
If that doesn't work, try turning it off and then turning it back on. And check if it's plugged in.Ah, yes. I was trying to use my mouse to drag it.
It looks like it's an embedded table. If you're on a computer, the bottom of the table (not the bottom of the webpage) should have a right to left scroll bar.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I turned on my camera, and that helped. Check your feed and you'll see a big :finger:If that doesn't work, try turning it off and then turning it back on. And check if it's plugged in.Ah, yes. I was trying to use my mouse to drag it.
It looks like it's an embedded table. If you're on a computer, the bottom of the table (not the bottom of the webpage) should have a right to left scroll bar.
Our guy tapped out after his tenth loop - 41.67 miles.
It's like the R2R2R, but without the hills and the elite company.
xulf
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Get some (next weekend)!
Zasada
Footballguy
Wasn't my day today. Had a base goal to get to 15 yards and a stretch goal to try for 24 as a test of running through the night.
But the heat got to me. I drank at least 12L of water through my run, but it wasn't enough. Didn't piss at all during the day, and finally did a little when I got home just now.
After 9 yards, I was going to tap-out, but @SteelCurtain and @gruecd came in with some encouragement to get me to 10. Both of my last loops the dehydration was starting to catch up with me and I was very lightheaded with any change in pace. My primary running companion spent a good 5 minutes barfing at the side of the course due to the same issues. He tapped-out on the 10th yard as well.
There was no shade on the course. Just baked the whole time. I know official temps are not in direct sunlight, but my footpod (in the sun) was registering temps in the mid-100s for much of the day.
While there is only ever one "finisher" in this format (sometimes zero), I was the 17th-last DNF (of 79 who completed at least one yard), putting me in the top quartile.
The format is neat though, and it really lends itself well to running with friends of varying fitness levels. Might try it again and hope for better temps.
But the heat got to me. I drank at least 12L of water through my run, but it wasn't enough. Didn't piss at all during the day, and finally did a little when I got home just now.
After 9 yards, I was going to tap-out, but @SteelCurtain and @gruecd came in with some encouragement to get me to 10. Both of my last loops the dehydration was starting to catch up with me and I was very lightheaded with any change in pace. My primary running companion spent a good 5 minutes barfing at the side of the course due to the same issues. He tapped-out on the 10th yard as well.
There was no shade on the course. Just baked the whole time. I know official temps are not in direct sunlight, but my footpod (in the sun) was registering temps in the mid-100s for much of the day.
While there is only ever one "finisher" in this format (sometimes zero), I was the 17th-last DNF (of 79 who completed at least one yard), putting me in the top quartile.
The format is neat though, and it really lends itself well to running with friends of varying fitness levels. Might try it again and hope for better temps.
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Zasada
Footballguy
Good luck tomorrow, @Juxtatarot! I always look forward to your races -- your times are always so awe-inspiring. I hope you hit your goal!
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Total badass performance. Especially after R2R2R.
A proper taper and reasonable temps = you would go way longer.
Dehydration must have been real. Your pace on your last loop wasn’t any slower than the others. But dehydration was pending.
Fun to follow throughout the day. Great work!
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Incredible effort, @Zasada ! I see the last two went 21 and 22 loops. (And gee, it’s a lot easier to scroll around on my phone than my PC).
Now looking forward to @Juxtatarot ’s race!!
Now looking forward to @Juxtatarot ’s race!!
Zasada
Footballguy
Yes, waking up this morning to that made me feel a little less bad about my failure. Clearly a 24 yard goal wasn't in the cards for anybody yesterday.
Would like to try this again next year, and hope for "normal" temps, rather than exceptionally hot.
Brony
Footballguy
caustic
Footballguy
Let’s go @Juxtatarot , bring it home!!
Tracking says he’s through 9.78 miles at 5:58 pace. Still on pace for a PR.
Tracking says he’s through 9.78 miles at 5:58 pace. Still on pace for a PR.
Zasada
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
incredible! @Juxtatarot Hard work pays off!
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
For the record, I beat both those people.
Brony
Footballguy
Great day for a run. Sunny, low 40s, no wind. Great day to spectate too.
Good to briefly catch juxt at the finish line while he was in a can't-breath-at-all state. Congrats on the PR!
A couple of more pictures...
Good to briefly catch juxt at the finish line while he was in a can't-breath-at-all state. Congrats on the PR!
A couple of more pictures...
xulf
Footballguy
Hell yeah. Great race @Juxtatarot ... such bad assery. So fast.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Great job Juxt!
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Thanks for the kind words.
I was anxious about this one: I hadn't raced the distance in over two years, i wasn't sure how my cold would affect me, and I haven't been sleeping well. I barely slept last night. But, fortunately, rested healthy legs, ideal weather and Vaporflys gave me a boost to eek out a small PR.
Second half was a little slower. I ran poor tangents too (13.27 total distance on the Garmin) not helped by a looped course having to dodge slower runners the last handful of miles.
Next up is running the Turkey Trot 5K again. I think I'm well set up for that. I'll try to run some 5K paces in the coming weeks.
Next spring I'll get back into marathoning. I'm eyeing the BQ-focused qualifier event that I ran back in 2018. Not necessarily to eventually run Boston again (although that's a possibility) but because I like the flat looped course and the weather should be good in mid-April.
I was anxious about this one: I hadn't raced the distance in over two years, i wasn't sure how my cold would affect me, and I haven't been sleeping well. I barely slept last night. But, fortunately, rested healthy legs, ideal weather and Vaporflys gave me a boost to eek out a small PR.
Second half was a little slower. I ran poor tangents too (13.27 total distance on the Garmin) not helped by a looped course having to dodge slower runners the last handful of miles.
Next up is running the Turkey Trot 5K again. I think I'm well set up for that. I'll try to run some 5K paces in the coming weeks.
Next spring I'll get back into marathoning. I'm eyeing the BQ-focused qualifier event that I ran back in 2018. Not necessarily to eventually run Boston again (although that's a possibility) but because I like the flat looped course and the weather should be good in mid-April.
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JShare87
Footballguy
I get anxiety before every race. HR always through the roof, it sucks. Way to push through and finish given the circumstances. Congrats! 13.1 is no joke!Thanks for all the support guys. Two major things went wrong today:
-Had a panic attack standing in the chute. Must have been first race nerves or something, I’m not sure. But five minutes before the start, my watch notified me that my HR was over 120. Less than 3 miles in, I was already hitting “anaerobic” levels. Haven’t seen anything like that before.
-More predictably, my IT bands started getting angry around mile 7-8. Had to end with a run/walk mix because every bend of the knee caused stabbing pain. I’m just happy to have finished, because things were looking a bit dicey with all the hills near the end.
Still pleased with the effort even though I know I could’ve done better without the setbacks. Top priority is to get healthy now, then I can work on rebuilding my mileage base and moving onto future races.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Way to go, @Juxtatarot ! That’s an incredible race!!!
JShare87
Footballguy
Thanks for asking. The knee is okay, still have to wear a brace. My Sciatica from the herniated disk has been bothering me a lot lately. Weather is getting better, diet is clean AF, all good over here. Trying to ramp up the miles for a marathon within the next 12 weeks. Thinking I’ll just run it on my own and avoid all my BS of signing up to run one.
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
So in the midst of all the BMFery I did my Halloween 5k Saturday night. Things went pretty well all things considered.
Half mile splits : 3:11, 3:12, 3:13, 3:16, 3:17, 3:13, 2:57 for the ~.1 (.07 somehow due to tangents)
So 19:46 chip time, 2nd for AG.
Solid race, only somewhat regret is I should have put up a little more fight when two high schoolers I had passed during the third mile came charging down the stretch. I don't think I could have outkicked them, but probably could have shaved a few seconds by surging a little more.
Hard to know if the specifics of the race indicate I could go a little faster or not. I was in a hot dog costume that kept pushing on my glasses and obscuring my vision because I am too tall for it, and it was a bit windy, so maybe those factors hurt. On the other hand, this race is on the parade route just before the parade, so I had people shrieking "go hot dog!" almost the whole race, so that probably ups the performance a bit.
At any rate, one encouraging thing was that my strength training seems to be paying off a bit - I am less sore than I usually am after a 5K, and my cadence was down from 177 to 174 versus last year at a slightly faster pace, so I think I've succeeded in strengthening my stride a bit.
Half mile splits : 3:11, 3:12, 3:13, 3:16, 3:17, 3:13, 2:57 for the ~.1 (.07 somehow due to tangents)
So 19:46 chip time, 2nd for AG.
Solid race, only somewhat regret is I should have put up a little more fight when two high schoolers I had passed during the third mile came charging down the stretch. I don't think I could have outkicked them, but probably could have shaved a few seconds by surging a little more.
Hard to know if the specifics of the race indicate I could go a little faster or not. I was in a hot dog costume that kept pushing on my glasses and obscuring my vision because I am too tall for it, and it was a bit windy, so maybe those factors hurt. On the other hand, this race is on the parade route just before the parade, so I had people shrieking "go hot dog!" almost the whole race, so that probably ups the performance a bit.
At any rate, one encouraging thing was that my strength training seems to be paying off a bit - I am less sore than I usually am after a 5K, and my cadence was down from 177 to 174 versus last year at a slightly faster pace, so I think I've succeeded in strengthening my stride a bit.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Well la-di-da this guy goes out dressin' like a hot dog bouncing up and down for 3 or so miles as a one man weiner parade and oh by the way drops a 19:46 just for the hell of it but think of the joy those parade go'ers had watching this flying tubular meat man go down the middle of the road right in front of their unsuspecting eyes.......
Redwes25
Footballguy
Haha - This is amazing. Hard to know if the giant hot dog custome slowed you down or helped.
Zasada
Footballguy
Sorry you didn't ketchup to those high schoolers. But 19:46 and AG #2 really cuts the mustard. Nice work, I'm relishing your next race. You're a real #BadMuthaFrankfurter.
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
Very nice!
Speaking of, other than hydration, any lessons learned from your last man standing race? I find those type of events very intriguing. I'm thinking of trying the one a little bit north of me that would be on their third year if they do it next spring (there's no official announcement yet).
Zasada
Footballguy
Honestly, I'm not sure what I could have done to hydrate more. I carried 500mL on each lap and drank the whole thing during. Then, immediately after finishing, I would go straight to the water cooler and fill/drink the whole thing right there. Then go back to the RV (yes, we were backyard ultra-ing in style) and drink another 500mL there. Refill my handheld before the next lap, and repeat. So that's 15L right there, rounding-down to about 12L for partial refills/drinks.
Other lessons learned:
- Having 10- to 15-minute breaks isn't as long as I anticipated, it would have helped to have my wife crew me (she stayed home) to deal with water/snacks
- Running with a crowd at the start of each lap was annoying (maybe less-so on wider courses), I had to find a groove pace to get my own space
- Be more careful applying sunscreen, I have one calf and the back of my arm that were hurting in the shower this morning
- I didn't take in enough calories during the race, probably only 50/hour on average
- Probably should have had some cold water/ice to douse myself with
Big's Backyard Ultra started at the same time as hours, and it's still going. With 42 runners still active, on yard 54.
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gruecd
Footballguy
Signed up last week to race the Mesa Marathon on February 10. I'll start a 12-week training block on November 20. Hoping to shoot for 3:10, but we'll see how the training goes...
Also started thinking the other day about how it would be cool to run my 50th marathon on my 50th birthday, which happens to land on a Sunday on January 10, 2027. It actually lines up pretty well with where I'm at:
Mesa - #43
Tokyo - #44
Fall '24 - Indy #45
Spring '25 - TBD #46
Fall '25 - TBD #47
Spring '26 - TBD #48
Fall '26 - TBD #49
January '27 - TBD #50 (Disney?)
Also started thinking the other day about how it would be cool to run my 50th marathon on my 50th birthday, which happens to land on a Sunday on January 10, 2027. It actually lines up pretty well with where I'm at:
Mesa - #43
Tokyo - #44
Fall '24 - Indy #45
Spring '25 - TBD #46
Fall '25 - TBD #47
Spring '26 - TBD #48
Fall '26 - TBD #49
January '27 - TBD #50 (Disney?)
Zasada
Footballguy
Houston will be either that Sunday or the following one. Not as "fun" as Disney (?), but a great, well-organized race. Flat and fast.
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
This is super cool, but I had to search for this specific quote from a certain canine because it fits so well:
But seriously, excited to see these races. Your ability to just keep grinding out results is really impressive.For someone that has effectively given up on marathons, you sure enter/run a lot of marathons
Redwes25
Footballguy
Ok so a week out from this 10k as it is on Saturday. Actually ran a bit more then I expected last few weeks as averaged 3 runs a week (one at 5k distance, one short but fast run and a longer run). Also did over the distance twice with a nice 7 mile run end of last week. I will probably just do a 4 mile or so run this week and see if I can fit in a bike ride in but thinking I can do pretty good in this race. Obviously no concerns with the distance but would be nice to do it under an hour. On my 7 mile run I had a 10k split of about 1:01 so should be doable. We shall see.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Well, I'm officially aggravated about my race.
As I mentioned, I got sick that week before but really didn't feel THAT bad and had no idea it would affect me that much. Been thinking about it since the race and wondering what else could have happened. But, on top of that, this is the first race where I've tried to keep up with running afterward and not completely shutting it down. I only ran once that week right after, but since then I've gotten at least 3 runs/week. Nothing crazy, but did 12/11/17 miles the previous 3 weeks. Certainly nothing to build any fitness but the hope to at least not lose too much.
Well, I've been getting frustrated because my runs have felt horrible. My HR has been much higher than usual, it hasn't felt good, and I basically felt like I did when I started training months ago. It wasn't making sense because I shouldn't have tanked my fitness that much that fast. My VO2 max plummeted to pre-training numbers as well so Garmin agreed. I was running in the high 10's with HRs in the 150's and even 160's. And this was all in good weather.
Then, for whatever reason, the last 3 runs have felt "normal" again. Just did over 4 miles and my AHR was 140 and I was in the 130's most of the time while running in the low 10's. Certainly nothing I've done training/running wise to expect any sort of bump, and definitely not that drastic of an improvement.
So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
As I mentioned, I got sick that week before but really didn't feel THAT bad and had no idea it would affect me that much. Been thinking about it since the race and wondering what else could have happened. But, on top of that, this is the first race where I've tried to keep up with running afterward and not completely shutting it down. I only ran once that week right after, but since then I've gotten at least 3 runs/week. Nothing crazy, but did 12/11/17 miles the previous 3 weeks. Certainly nothing to build any fitness but the hope to at least not lose too much.
Well, I've been getting frustrated because my runs have felt horrible. My HR has been much higher than usual, it hasn't felt good, and I basically felt like I did when I started training months ago. It wasn't making sense because I shouldn't have tanked my fitness that much that fast. My VO2 max plummeted to pre-training numbers as well so Garmin agreed. I was running in the high 10's with HRs in the 150's and even 160's. And this was all in good weather.
Then, for whatever reason, the last 3 runs have felt "normal" again. Just did over 4 miles and my AHR was 140 and I was in the 130's most of the time while running in the low 10's. Certainly nothing I've done training/running wise to expect any sort of bump, and definitely not that drastic of an improvement.
So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
On the bright side, it's nice to have an explanation.So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Agreed.On the bright side, it's nice to have an explanation.So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
I'm still happy with my training and had a couple really good long runs that felt good. In the end, it was worth it.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Agreed...but certainly frustrating to fly across the pond, only to have a really tough day on the course. But I'm glad things have turned around. As I was reading the post-race breakdown, I was getting worried that the issues might represent deeper health issues. Great that your vitals are back to normal.On the bright side, it's nice to have an explanation.So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
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SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Cool. So what marathon are you doing in November?Well, I'm officially aggravated about my race.
As I mentioned, I got sick that week before but really didn't feel THAT bad and had no idea it would affect me that much. Been thinking about it since the race and wondering what else could have happened. But, on top of that, this is the first race where I've tried to keep up with running afterward and not completely shutting it down. I only ran once that week right after, but since then I've gotten at least 3 runs/week. Nothing crazy, but did 12/11/17 miles the previous 3 weeks. Certainly nothing to build any fitness but the hope to at least not lose too much.
Well, I've been getting frustrated because my runs have felt horrible. My HR has been much higher than usual, it hasn't felt good, and I basically felt like I did when I started training months ago. It wasn't making sense because I shouldn't have tanked my fitness that much that fast. My VO2 max plummeted to pre-training numbers as well so Garmin agreed. I was running in the high 10's with HRs in the 150's and even 160's. And this was all in good weather.
Then, for whatever reason, the last 3 runs have felt "normal" again. Just did over 4 miles and my AHR was 140 and I was in the 130's most of the time while running in the low 10's. Certainly nothing I've done training/running wise to expect any sort of bump, and definitely not that drastic of an improvement.
So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I feel like I can speak for @gianmarco here:Cool. So what marathon are you doing in November?Well, I'm officially aggravated about my race.
As I mentioned, I got sick that week before but really didn't feel THAT bad and had no idea it would affect me that much. Been thinking about it since the race and wondering what else could have happened. But, on top of that, this is the first race where I've tried to keep up with running afterward and not completely shutting it down. I only ran once that week right after, but since then I've gotten at least 3 runs/week. Nothing crazy, but did 12/11/17 miles the previous 3 weeks. Certainly nothing to build any fitness but the hope to at least not lose too much.
Well, I've been getting frustrated because my runs have felt horrible. My HR has been much higher than usual, it hasn't felt good, and I basically felt like I did when I started training months ago. It wasn't making sense because I shouldn't have tanked my fitness that much that fast. My VO2 max plummeted to pre-training numbers as well so Garmin agreed. I was running in the high 10's with HRs in the 150's and even 160's. And this was all in good weather.
Then, for whatever reason, the last 3 runs have felt "normal" again. Just did over 4 miles and my AHR was 140 and I was in the 130's most of the time while running in the low 10's. Certainly nothing I've done training/running wise to expect any sort of bump, and definitely not that drastic of an improvement.
So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
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pbm107
Footballguy
Running is funny in that often we don’t get what we deserve out of a good training cycle for whatever reason: weather, injury, or mystery/unknown reasons (I know I have had a few of these over the years). If one endures and sticks with it, quite often the following training cycle can produce great results.Well, I'm officially aggravated about my race.
As I mentioned, I got sick that week before but really didn't feel THAT bad and had no idea it would affect me that much. Been thinking about it since the race and wondering what else could have happened. But, on top of that, this is the first race where I've tried to keep up with running afterward and not completely shutting it down. I only ran once that week right after, but since then I've gotten at least 3 runs/week. Nothing crazy, but did 12/11/17 miles the previous 3 weeks. Certainly nothing to build any fitness but the hope to at least not lose too much.
Well, I've been getting frustrated because my runs have felt horrible. My HR has been much higher than usual, it hasn't felt good, and I basically felt like I did when I started training months ago. It wasn't making sense because I shouldn't have tanked my fitness that much that fast. My VO2 max plummeted to pre-training numbers as well so Garmin agreed. I was running in the high 10's with HRs in the 150's and even 160's. And this was all in good weather.
Then, for whatever reason, the last 3 runs have felt "normal" again. Just did over 4 miles and my AHR was 140 and I was in the 130's most of the time while running in the low 10's. Certainly nothing I've done training/running wise to expect any sort of bump, and definitely not that drastic of an improvement.
So, at this point, I'm pretty convinced that whatever I caught really did a number on my fitness and basically wrecked my race. I can't think there's anything else that would explain the sudden turnaround.
Your Berlin experience is something no one should have to go through, and you deserve a ton of credit for bouncing back and continuing with your training. It’s great that you feel normal again, enjoy it this is the best time of year to be running.
bushdocda
Footballguy
Feeling you GB. Perhaps you’d like to subscribe to my newsletter “2024 Seattle marathons in September?!”.
Glad runs have come back more to normal. Travel, big race and illness stresses surely made your raceday less than your fitness.
pbm107
Footballguy
Awesome race, you’ve not only raised the bar on the best half time here, but also proving that it is possible to PR over 50.
For your marathon you will likely be the first one around here (other than Steve) to earn a Moose Mug time. There used to be a guy on the old Runners World Forums that would send you a moose mug if you ran a marathon faster than 2:00 plus your age.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Oh God, is it a downhill race?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Thanks. I follow a couple of other Chicago area 50+ year old runners who are as fast or faster than me who are also still setting PRs so it seems kind of natural even though I know it isn’t.
I can’ t say I know the secret to improving at older ages. I’m sure genetics and lifestyle play a role. For me, I think it’s also being slow to make changes I should have made years ago.
bushdocda
Footballguy
You tell me, you ran the same course under a different branding it looks like.
