Randy Moss out of Oakland? (1 Viewer)

[x260bm]

The Raiders are up against the cap again this year.

Incorrect. Very, very incorrect.

Great argument here. The Raiders have 14.1 million in cap room, 22nd most in the NFL. That looks like a lot but it only includes the 35 players under contract. Some of those players will undoubtedly retire or be placed on IR reducing the number of useable players. The NFL minimum salary varies by length of service and can be as $810,000. They also have to sign their draft picks and the first pick costs a lot to sign. The Raiders do not have money to burn this year.

I don't care if you think it's a good argument or not. I don't need to argue stuff that isn't true.The Raiders aren't up against the cap, and that $14 million number is only going up. There are roster bonuses due to bums like Brooks and Sims, which they surely will not collect.When the Raiders have 535,000 in cap room, they still sign free agents. So why on earth would I be concerned about a $14 million+ buffer?"Less room than other teams" does not equal "Up against the cap".May just be a semantics argument, but people come here looking for facts. Suggesting that if they cut Moss and Porter that they would have to cut 3 other players to make up the cap hit is a flat-out lie.

Let me get this straight, you just said they are going to cut players to create cap room and when I said it you accuse me of lying?

 

[massraider]

The Raiders are up against the cap again this year.

Incorrect. Very, very incorrect.

Great argument here. The Raiders have 14.1 million in cap room, 22nd most in the NFL. That looks like a lot but it only includes the 35 players under contract. Some of those players will undoubtedly retire or be placed on IR reducing the number of useable players. The NFL minimum salary varies by length of service and can be as $810,000. They also have to sign their draft picks and the first pick costs a lot to sign. The Raiders do not have money to burn this year.

I don't care if you think it's a good argument or not. I don't need to argue stuff that isn't true.The Raiders aren't up against the cap, and that $14 million number is only going up. There are roster bonuses due to bums like Brooks and Sims, which they surely will not collect.

When the Raiders have 535,000 in cap room, they still sign free agents. So why on earth would I be concerned about a $14 million+ buffer?

"Less room than other teams" does not equal "Up against the cap".

May just be a semantics argument, but people come here looking for facts. Suggesting that if they cut Moss and Porter that they would have to cut 3 other players to make up the cap hit is a flat-out lie.

Let me get this straight, you just said they are going to cut players to create cap room and when I said it you accuse me of lying?

No, you said:If they cut Moss and Porter they are going to have to cut 3-5 other players just to make up for the cap hit.

Brooks and Sims are gone, no matter what happens to Moss and Porter. If they don't redo their deals, anyway.

You also said they were up against the cap. By anyone's definition, they are not.

You're doling out bad 'information'.

 

[x260bm]

The Raiders are up against the cap again this year.

Incorrect. Very, very incorrect.

Great argument here. The Raiders have 14.1 million in cap room, 22nd most in the NFL. That looks like a lot but it only includes the 35 players under contract. Some of those players will undoubtedly retire or be placed on IR reducing the number of useable players. The NFL minimum salary varies by length of service and can be as $810,000. They also have to sign their draft picks and the first pick costs a lot to sign. The Raiders do not have money to burn this year.

I don't care if you think it's a good argument or not. I don't need to argue stuff that isn't true.The Raiders aren't up against the cap, and that $14 million number is only going up. There are roster bonuses due to bums like Brooks and Sims, which they surely will not collect.

When the Raiders have 535,000 in cap room, they still sign free agents. So why on earth would I be concerned about a $14 million+ buffer?

"Less room than other teams" does not equal "Up against the cap".

May just be a semantics argument, but people come here looking for facts. Suggesting that if they cut Moss and Porter that they would have to cut 3 other players to make up the cap hit is a flat-out lie.

Let me get this straight, you just said they are going to cut players to create cap room and when I said it you accuse me of lying?

No, you said:If they cut Moss and Porter they are going to have to cut 3-5 other players just to make up for the cap hit.

Brooks and Sims are gone, no matter what happens to Moss and Porter. If they don't redo their deals, anyway.

You also said they were up against the cap. By anyone's definition, they are not.

You're doling out bad 'information'.

How do you know those weren’t the kind of players I was referring to? Also it does not matter if they are 500K, 14 million, or 100 million under. All that matters is other teams have more money to spend. Players are going to sign with the teams offering more money. It’s not like they won 14 games this year and don’t need any help. I don’t why you are so hung up on the “up against the cap” comment. Every year most teams are up against the cap unless they have a ridiculously low number compared to the other teams. Teams can’t just go around wasting cap space. Up against does not mean right next to in this case. It means contending with. You are making a big deal out of nothing. I don’t see any reason to continue this discussion.

 

[parasaurolophus]

The Raiders are up against the cap again this year.

Incorrect. Very, very incorrect.

Even if it were correct, it would take a bonus in excess of 20M signed two years ago to exceed his salary this year - does anyone have specifics?

rough guess here but from what i can gather he signed his original deal for 75 mil with an 18 mil signing bonus. The raiders renegotaited and gave him 5 mil in guaranteed money in 2005 which prorates it over the rest of his deal. His contract expires in 2008. So he has two years left of his 7 year deal. that leaves 5 million left in original signing bonus money as well as 2.5 million from the renegotiation. So even if they cut him and do it before June 1st, they save 2.5 million. If they wait til after they save a bunch more.Again this isnt fact, but i think its pretty close.

You are sort of right but wrong in this instance.Restructuring Moss’s contract to gain additional cap room has occurred on an almost yearly basis. For example, Moss’s 2005 base salary was reduced from $7,750,000 to $665,000 by converting it to bonuses. This year they got his base salary down to 4 million. There are naturally future cap penalties for doing these things: Roster or reporting bonuses earned or paid before preseason training camp are also considered signing bonuses. Guaranteed salary advances or advances that do not have to be repaid are treated as signing bonuses. Money guaranteed or paid for option years, contract extensions, contract modifications, individually negotiated rights of first refusal, and option buyouts are considered signing bonuses. Reporting bonuses are treated as signing bonuses if the contract is signed after the start of training camp. Roster bonuses are also considered signing bonuses if the contract was signed after the last preseason game. Finally, individually negotiated relocation bonuses are treated as a signing bonus.It is true that if they had left his contract alone they could cut him after June 1st for a 5 million cap penalty and save 6 million in cap space. Because of the restructuring, Moss’s signing bonus has ballooned considerably. Much more than what you are reporting. It now will cost more to cut him than keep him.

i have looked all over and i cant see where they have renegotiated for more than just a part of his 2006 deal. Even if they had renegotiated 5 million of his 2006 deal that would still mean that his cap hit would be less and they would save 10 million in real salary for 2007, which means they would likely cut him.

 

[primitivepursuit]

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[primitivepursuit]

Alright we know Oakland can do it with the cap situation. This would be great for Oakland... Randy goes to GB for a #1. Al takes care of Porter and drafts Calvin Johnson #1. Yes this doesnt address the QB issues but with as many as are coming out I believe they can get a quality starter in the early second. I dont see Quinn, Russell rally being "all that" in the NFL. All being said Brett stays another 2-3 years with a great corps in Jennings, Moss and Driver.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Alright we know Oakland can do it with the cap situation. This would be great for Oakland... Randy goes to GB for a #1. Al takes care of Porter and drafts Calvin Johnson #1. Yes this doesnt address the QB issues but with as many as are coming out I believe they can get a quality starter in the early second. I dont see Quinn, Russell rally being "all that" in the NFL. All being said Brett stays another 2-3 years with a great corps in Jennings, Moss and Driver.

every time a big name WR has become available I have prayed that GB would get him. I would love it. I would love to see Favre throwing jump balls up to Moss with driver going over the middle. Heck if cris carter and moss could make any QB look good, then driver and moss would make favre look great again.

 

[Biabreakable]

Will Moss wipe his butt with the contract Green Bush offers him?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Moss has been quote as saying he want to return to the east coast. My prediction is the Raiduhs send Moss to the Redskins for a draft pick or two. The Redskins need another WR to compliment Moss and the Raiduhs need players.

I also agree that the Raiduhs should draft Russel with their first pick. Neither Brooks or Andrews is the longer term answer IMO.

 

[jurb26]

So, can we just compile a list of teams that could (hypothetically) be in the hunt for Moss?

 

[DrJ]

The Raiders are up against the cap again this year.

Incorrect. Very, very incorrect.

Even if it were correct, it would take a bonus in excess of 20M signed two years ago to exceed his salary this year - does anyone have specifics?

rough guess here but from what i can gather he signed his original deal for 75 mil with an 18 mil signing bonus. The raiders renegotaited and gave him 5 mil in guaranteed money in 2005 which prorates it over the rest of his deal. His contract expires in 2008. So he has two years left of his 7 year deal. that leaves 5 million left in original signing bonus money as well as 2.5 million from the renegotiation. So even if they cut him and do it before June 1st, they save 2.5 million. If they wait til after they save a bunch more.Again this isnt fact, but i think its pretty close.

Minnesota was the one that took the hit on the original signing bonus though when they traded him. The Raiders would only be on the hook for the bonuses they gave him.

 

[nygiants56]

Moss is due almost 10M this year and over 11M next. He'll want that money...

There's no way he sees that money. Raiders will flat out cut him if the can't trade him and any team trading for him would want to renegotiate.

Patriots. they have two first round picks .they NEED a WR..they could give 1 pick to the Raiders.

 

[cstu]

Moss is due almost 10M this year and over 11M next. He'll want that money...

There's no way he sees that money. Raiders will flat out cut him if the can't trade him and any team trading for him would want to renegotiate.

Patriots. they have two first round picks .they NEED a WR..they could give 1 pick to the Raiders.

 

[cstu]

Moss has been quote as saying he want to return to the east coast. My prediction is the Raiduhs send Moss to the Redskins for a draft pick or two. The Redskins need another WR to compliment Moss and the Raiduhs need players.I also agree that the Raiduhs should draft Russel with their first pick. Neither Brooks or Andrews is the longer term answer IMO.

The Redskins seem possible since their owner isn't afraid of over-paying for washed up players.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Tampa has interest.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Moss is due almost 10M this year and over 11M next. He'll want that money...

There's no way he sees that money. Raiders will flat out cut him if the can't trade him and any team trading for him would want to renegotiate.

Patriots. they have two first round picks .they NEED a WR..they could give 1 pick to the Raiders.

i think they would've rather had branch then moss. especially at moss' contract. flipping the 1st they got for branch for moss after sitting on nothing for the season in between would be extremely objectionable.

 

[noohpyt]

The Latest rumblings that I am hearing out of Green Bay are that Thompson is talking to the teams in position of the top 3 picks and is trying to move up that far to get themselves Adrian Peterson.

I know sounds very uncharacteristic of TT but they need someone for there future and they will have enough $$$ to go out and fill needed positions via Free agency this year.

By the way I live in Wisconsin but am far far from being a homer.

 

[onionsack]

By the way I live in Wisconsin but am far far from being a homer.

So you're the one.

 

[nygiants56]

Moss is due almost 10M this year and over 11M next. He'll want that money...

There's no way he sees that money. Raiders will flat out cut him if the can't trade him and any team trading for him would want to renegotiate.

Patriots. they have two first round picks .they NEED a WR..they could give 1 pick to the Raiders.

i think they would've rather had branch then moss. especially at moss' contract. flipping the 1st they got for branch for moss after sitting on nothing for the season in between would be extremely objectionable.

It was a reach for sure, and it is a WR for WR deal, but I'd take Moss over Branch any day of the week, although his salary might be too much for NE to absorb.. What about the Pats going for Porter, there was some discussion about it last year...is that on the back burner now?ATL could use a bigtime WR, perhaps they make a run at Moss?!

 

[Slider]

The Raiders would be much better served to get a coach who warms up to Moss and Porter and draft a QB. There's not a much better supporting cast for a new QB than those two. While they don't like losing I think their attitude would change dramatically if they get the right coach/QB.

 

[One]

The Raiders would be much better served to get a coach who warms up to Moss and Porter and draft a QB. There's not a much better supporting cast for a new QB than those two. While they don't like losing I think their attitude would change dramatically if they get the right coach/QB.

kinda the way I feel, but I don't think Moss will ever be happy regardless of where he's at. We might as well start fresh by getting what we can out of him.

 

[scott72]

Why bother for Green Bay? He's a troublesome wideout with motivation who may or may not still have 'it'. Why give up a draft pick for him? I'd rather just go after a guy like Donte Stallworth in Free Agency and keep the draft picks. Also draft picks are like gold to Ted Thompson. He values them immensely as he believes correctly that they are the key to building a franchise. I dout he parts with one for Moss.

I agree 100%. Thompson and McCarthy aren't known for wasting time on head cases. I don't see this happening either..

 

[scott72]

The Latest rumblings that I am hearing out of Green Bay are that Thompson is talking to the teams in position of the top 3 picks and is trying to move up that far to get themselves Adrian Peterson.I know sounds very uncharacteristic of TT but they need someone for there future and they will have enough $$$ to go out and fill needed positions via Free agency this year.By the way I live in Wisconsin but am far far from being a homer.

I don't see this happening either. If anything TT will trade down. He has almost everytime. If Brett returns, we better spend some serious money in FA this year since we'll have dang near 30 mill in cap space..

 

[Phurfur]

I don't see this happening either. If anything TT will trade down. He has almost everytime. If Brett returns, we better spend some serious money in FA this year since we'll have dang near 30 mill in cap space..

Yeah, spend all the money, that's the way to build a team. The Vikings have been doing it for 2 years, we need to keep up. Nobody wants to be like N.E.