Ray Rice video of KO punch released (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

Here's what John Harbaugh said about the 2 game suspension.

After referring to Rice as a "heck of a guy," he explained how Rice receiving just a two-game suspension and zero jail time for knocking his wife unconscious and then dragging her out of an elevator provides a lesson for kids on the way things "should be."

He makes a mistake, alright. He's gonna have to pay a consequence. It's good for kids to understand that it works that way, and that's how it works. That's how it should be

 

[fatness]

Ravens front office in late July, supporting Rice.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Byrne-Identity-I-Like-Ray-Rice/f618f957-e03f-4fc6-919e-638552b14c2b

 

[Hoss Style]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

I responded to your quote in the other thread about evidence. My coworker, who works in law, said the attorneys for Rice could have gotten any evidence used against him in court turned over to his possesion. if Rice really wanted to be transparent with the NFL he could have showed them the tape.

Either he did, and they are lying, or his lawyers wouldn't allow the NFL to see it. Either way, the NFL should have been tougher.

*ETA*

I'm no lawyer, and am paraphrasing big time here. His explanation was a lot more complicated, but ended with the fact that Rice could have had access to any evidence used in court, and used it in his case with the NFL.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so the NFL re-punishes him and bypasses its own policy, the NFLPA gotta jump on it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think lost in all of this is that elevator rail has been exonerated

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Here's what John Harbaugh said about the 2 game suspension.

After referring to Rice as a "heck of a guy," he explained how Rice receiving just a two-game suspension and zero jail time for knocking his wife unconscious and then dragging her out of an elevator provides a lesson for kids on the way things "should be."

He makes a mistake, alright. He's gonna have to pay a consequence. It's good for kids to understand that it works that way, and that's how it works. That's how it should be

plus, it shows kids how to defend themselves if some gross girl tries to put her coodies on you.

 

[skinsrule05]

I doubt the Ravens release him.

He has been released by the Ravens.

Her gravy train just came to a screeching halt.

this is ridiculously insulting.

your misogynistic views are obviously something you are proud of.

Let me guess, you actually believed that after he knocked her out she married him because she loved him? Life must be one great fairy tale for you.

 

[Hoss Style]

Here's what John Harbaugh said about the 2 game suspension.

After referring to Rice as a "heck of a guy," he explained how Rice receiving just a two-game suspension and zero jail time for knocking his wife unconscious and then dragging her out of an elevator provides a lesson for kids on the way things "should be."

He makes a mistake, alright. He's gonna have to pay a consequence. It's good for kids to understand that it works that way, and that's how it works. That's how it should be

plus, it shows kids how to defend themselves if some gross girl tries to put her coodies on you.

In grade school recess, Ray Rice was only tagged as "it" once. Just once.

 

[Tango]

so the NFL re-punishes him and bypasses its own policy, the NFLPA gotta jump on it.

Strange, but true:

There's a greater chance that Ray Rice comes out in support of the indefinite suspension than the NFLPA coming out against it.

 

[Limp Ditka]

so the NFL re-punishes him and bypasses its own policy, the NFLPA gotta jump on it.

I'm going to guess that the NFL has a policy about feeding the commish a pile of crap when trying to get out of trouble for something you did.

 

[dickey moe]

Coodies?

 

[AB in DC]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

Does anyone think it's a coincidence that this video got leaked a week after Goodell publicly admitted that he got it wrong? Who do you think leaked this to TMZ?

Here's a direct quote from Goodell himself: " Simply put, we have to do better. And we will." And that's exactly what he did.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Coodies?

An error occurredYou have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

 

[mbuehner]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

He's suggesting that any of the following are true:

(1) the NFL saw it and is lying, and

(2) if TMZ can get it, then the NFL should have gotten it

and then add the Peter King stuff into the mix and you've got yourself some sorting out to do.

So when Ray Rice's lawyers sue the NFL, and seek discover over who the NFL bribed to get that video, how does that shake out?

 

[Vector]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

But no one is self righteous.

Remember the hypothetical question of would you do _______ for $1,000,000? Everyone says no, until the money is in front of them, then hmmmm.... what do you do.

Those here seem to look at hypothetical and every situation as it is black and white. That is truly a shame, but again if you create a hypothetical you are despicable. Priceless.

No, the problem is you are justifying HITTING (physical) her for what she may have SAID (words). Not because you created a "hypothetical".

Please don't get me wrong, I am not an apologist for Ray Rice, but words can often be more painful than a punch and their effects can last a lifetime.

As for this thread and it's current state - it should be moved to FFA as it has no purpose in the Sharkpool.

 

[mbuehner]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

I responded to your quote in the other thread about evidence. My coworker, who works in law, said the attorneys for Rice could have gotten any evidence used against him in court turned over to his possesion. if Rice really wanted to be transparent with the NFL he could have showed them the tape.

Either he did, and they are lying, or his lawyers wouldn't allow the NFL to see it. Either way, the NFL should have been tougher.

*ETA*

I'm no lawyer, and am paraphrasing big time here. His explanation was a lot more complicated, but ended with the fact that Rice could have had access to any evidence used in court, and used it in his case with the NFL.

I agree with all of that. But there is this idea that the NFL is rich and can do whatever it wants, so of course they could demand the prosecutor let them watch the video. Thats ridiculous.

And sure TMZ can get ahold of something, because they are journalists and will hide behind their anonymous source. The NFL can hardly bribe somebody in the sherrifs department in order to produce proof they are going to use against a player. That opens up all kinds of legal nightmares.

 

[Henry Ford]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

But no one is self righteous.

Remember the hypothetical question of would you do _______ for $1,000,000? Everyone says no, until the money is in front of them, then hmmmm.... what do you do.

Those here seem to look at hypothetical and every situation as it is black and white. That is truly a shame, but again if you create a hypothetical you are despicable. Priceless.

No, the problem is you are justifying HITTING (physical) her for what she may have SAID (words). Not because you created a "hypothetical".

Please don't get me wrong, I am not an apologist for Ray Rice, but words can often be more painful than a punch and their effects can last a lifetime.

As for this thread and it's current state - it should be moved to FFA as it has no purpose in the Sharkpool.

Is the idea here that the effects of a punch can't last a lifetime?

 

[njherdfan]

I doubt the Ravens release him.

He has been released by the Ravens.

Her gravy train just came to a screeching halt.

this is ridiculously insulting.

your misogynistic views are obviously something you are proud of.

Let me guess, you actually believed that after he knocked her out she married him because she loved him? Life must be one great fairy tale for you.

I assume you're just trolling, but just in case you're not, do you know who victims of domestic violence typically react?

 

[mbuehner]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

Does anyone think it's a coincidence that this video got leaked a week after Goodell publicly admitted that he got it wrong? Who do you think leaked this to TMZ?

Here's a direct quote from Goodell himself: " Simply put, we have to do better. And we will." And that's exactly what he did.

 

[Tango]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

He's suggesting that any of the following are true:

(1) the NFL saw it and is lying, and

(2) if TMZ can get it, then the NFL should have gotten it

and then add the Peter King stuff into the mix and you've got yourself some sorting out to do.

So when the rabid non-sports media Ray Rice's lawyers sue the NFL, and seeks discovery over who the NFL bribed to didnt get that video or proves the NFL lied about it, how does that shake out?

I generally agree with the sentiment, but edited your statement above (I think it's 60/40 that Rice joins the NFL in this b/c the video is so egregious).

But otherwise I agree; the NFL appears to be in the position of either (1) having lied or (2) looking recklessly stupid.

 

[GoBirds]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

I responded to your quote in the other thread about evidence. My coworker, who works in law, said the attorneys for Rice could have gotten any evidence used against him in court turned over to his possesion. if Rice really wanted to be transparent with the NFL he could have showed them the tape.

Either he did, and they are lying, or his lawyers wouldn't allow the NFL to see it. Either way, the NFL should have been tougher.

*ETA*

I'm no lawyer, and am paraphrasing big time here. His explanation was a lot more complicated, but ended with the fact that Rice could have had access to any evidence used in court, and used it in his case with the NFL.

I agree with all of that. But there is this idea that the NFL is rich and can do whatever it wants, so of course they could demand the prosecutor let them watch the video. Thats ridiculous.

And sure TMZ can get ahold of something, because they are journalists and will hide behind their anonymous source. The NFL can hardly bribe somebody in the sherrifs department in order to produce proof they are going to use against a player. That opens up all kinds of legal nightmares.

Didnt MMQB guy and other sources before it came out claim that the NFL had seen the video? Do we know that some elaborate bribery scheme had to occur or is that just the damage control story to cover NFL?

 

[B-Deep]

I doubt the Ravens release him.

He has been released by the Ravens.

Her gravy train just came to a screeching halt.

this is ridiculously insulting.

your misogynistic views are obviously something you are proud of.

Let me guess, you actually believed that after he knocked her out she married him because she loved him? Life must be one great fairy tale for you.

I assume you're just trolling, but just in case you're not, do you know who victims of domestic violence typically react?

it is best not to engage him

a lesson i should have learned before i did

 

[mbuehner]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

He's suggesting that any of the following are true:

(1) the NFL saw it and is lying, and

(2) if TMZ can get it, then the NFL should have gotten it

and then add the Peter King stuff into the mix and you've got yourself some sorting out to do.

So when the rabid non-sports media Ray Rice's lawyers sue the NFL, and seeks discovery over who the NFL bribed to didnt get that video or proves the NFL lied about it, how does that shake out?

I generally agree with the sentiment, but edited your statement above (I think it's 60/40 that Rice joins the NFL in this b/c the video is so egregious).

But otherwise I agree; the NFL appears to be in the position of either (1) having lied or (2) looking recklessly stupid.

So what are the grounds the media would sue the NFL for? What damages are they seeking? And what court is going to require that the NFL prove a negative? Prove you didnt steal this tape and watch it? Thats just not realistic.

Now if the NFL had watched the tape, dropped the hammer on Ray, Ray would very likely have sued and his lawyers would demand to know where the tape came from and everything about its aquisition. Thats a legal certainty.

 

[Hankmoody]

League suspension

https://twitter.com/gregaiello/status/509048887617654785

What a copout. "Based on new video evidence". What's new? They knew what happened, they went light on him anyway. Now, all of a sudden, there's "new" info to weigh and they bring down the hammer. Cowards.

 

[GoBirds]

http://deadspin.com/peter-king-issues-statement-on-his-ray-rice-reporting-1632044670

Heres his statement today after NFL has contacted him.

 

[GoBirds]

League suspension

https://twitter.com/gregaiello/status/509048887617654785

What a copout. "Based on new video evidence". What's new? They knew what happened, they went light on him anyway. Now, all of a sudden, there's "new" info to weigh and they bring down the hammer. Cowards.

Exactly

 

[mbuehner]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

I responded to your quote in the other thread about evidence. My coworker, who works in law, said the attorneys for Rice could have gotten any evidence used against him in court turned over to his possesion. if Rice really wanted to be transparent with the NFL he could have showed them the tape.

Either he did, and they are lying, or his lawyers wouldn't allow the NFL to see it. Either way, the NFL should have been tougher.

*ETA*

I'm no lawyer, and am paraphrasing big time here. His explanation was a lot more complicated, but ended with the fact that Rice could have had access to any evidence used in court, and used it in his case with the NFL.

I agree with all of that. But there is this idea that the NFL is rich and can do whatever it wants, so of course they could demand the prosecutor let them watch the video. Thats ridiculous.

And sure TMZ can get ahold of something, because they are journalists and will hide behind their anonymous source. The NFL can hardly bribe somebody in the sherrifs department in order to produce proof they are going to use against a player. That opens up all kinds of legal nightmares.

Didnt MMQB guy and other sources before it came out claim that the NFL had seen the video? Do we know that some elaborate bribery scheme had to occur or is that just the damage control story to cover NFL?

Where's their proof the NFL saw the video? And if they did, isnt the controversy immediately how the NFL got ahold of it? Some anonymous sources claiming the NFL saw it is a hell of a lot less damaging then the NFL having seen it and having to explain how.

 

[Tango]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

He's suggesting that any of the following are true:

(1) the NFL saw it and is lying, and

(2) if TMZ can get it, then the NFL should have gotten it

and then add the Peter King stuff into the mix and you've got yourself some sorting out to do.

So when the rabid non-sports media Ray Rice's lawyers sue the NFL, and seeks discovery over who the NFL bribed to didnt get that video or proves the NFL lied about it, how does that shake out?

I generally agree with the sentiment, but edited your statement above (I think it's 60/40 that Rice joins the NFL in this b/c the video is so egregious).

But otherwise I agree; the NFL appears to be in the position of either (1) having lied or (2) looking recklessly stupid.

So what are the grounds the media would sue the NFL for? What damages are they seeking? And what court is going to require that the NFL prove a negative? Prove you didnt steal this tape and watch it? Thats just not realistic.

Now if the NFL had watched the tape, dropped the hammer on Ray, Ray would very likely have sued and his lawyers would demand to know where the tape came from and everything about its aquisition. Thats a legal certainty.

Im saying the media will demand those answers if Ray Rice doesnt.

Im telling you dont count on Rice here. He is more likely to join with the NFL than fight them...

 

[Vector]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

But no one is self righteous.

Remember the hypothetical question of would you do _______ for $1,000,000? Everyone says no, until the money is in front of them, then hmmmm.... what do you do.

Those here seem to look at hypothetical and every situation as it is black and white. That is truly a shame, but again if you create a hypothetical you are despicable. Priceless.

No, the problem is you are justifying HITTING (physical) her for what she may have SAID (words). Not because you created a "hypothetical".

Please don't get me wrong, I am not an apologist for Ray Rice, but words can often be more painful than a punch and their effects can last a lifetime.

As for this thread and it's current state - it should be moved to FFA as it has no purpose in the Sharkpool.

Is the idea here that the effects of a punch can't last a lifetime?

I'm not sure how you extracted that out of my comment. Do you disagree with the comment? If so, that's fine. You seem to have an itchy trigger finger today on picking people's statements apart.

 

[mbuehner]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

He's suggesting that any of the following are true:

(1) the NFL saw it and is lying, and

(2) if TMZ can get it, then the NFL should have gotten it

and then add the Peter King stuff into the mix and you've got yourself some sorting out to do.

So when the rabid non-sports media Ray Rice's lawyers sue the NFL, and seeks discovery over who the NFL bribed to didnt get that video or proves the NFL lied about it, how does that shake out?

I generally agree with the sentiment, but edited your statement above (I think it's 60/40 that Rice joins the NFL in this b/c the video is so egregious).

But otherwise I agree; the NFL appears to be in the position of either (1) having lied or (2) looking recklessly stupid.

So what are the grounds the media would sue the NFL for? What damages are they seeking? And what court is going to require that the NFL prove a negative? Prove you didnt steal this tape and watch it? Thats just not realistic.

Now if the NFL had watched the tape, dropped the hammer on Ray, Ray would very likely have sued and his lawyers would demand to know where the tape came from and everything about its aquisition. Thats a legal certainty.

Im saying the media will demand those answers if Ray Rice doesnt.

Im telling you dont count on Rice here. He is more likely to join with the NFL than fight them...

The media can demand whatever they want, but without a discovery order from a court its irrelevant.

And you may be right, but the NFL never admitted to seeing the video so we'll never have to find out where RR lines up.

 

[B-Deep]

Front-loaded Rice contract hurts Ravens; he walks away with $25M and they'll absorb more than $13M in cap charges http://wp.me/p14QSB-9z5O

 

[GoBirds]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

I responded to your quote in the other thread about evidence. My coworker, who works in law, said the attorneys for Rice could have gotten any evidence used against him in court turned over to his possesion. if Rice really wanted to be transparent with the NFL he could have showed them the tape.

Either he did, and they are lying, or his lawyers wouldn't allow the NFL to see it. Either way, the NFL should have been tougher.

*ETA*

I'm no lawyer, and am paraphrasing big time here. His explanation was a lot more complicated, but ended with the fact that Rice could have had access to any evidence used in court, and used it in his case with the NFL.

I agree with all of that. But there is this idea that the NFL is rich and can do whatever it wants, so of course they could demand the prosecutor let them watch the video. Thats ridiculous.

And sure TMZ can get ahold of something, because they are journalists and will hide behind their anonymous source. The NFL can hardly bribe somebody in the sherrifs department in order to produce proof they are going to use against a player. That opens up all kinds of legal nightmares.

Didnt MMQB guy and other sources before it came out claim that the NFL had seen the video? Do we know that some elaborate bribery scheme had to occur or is that just the damage control story to cover NFL?

Where's their proof the NFL saw the video? And if they did, isnt the controversy immediately how the NFL got ahold of it? Some anonymous sources claiming the NFL saw it is a hell of a lot less damaging then the NFL having seen it and having to explain how.

Where theres smoke.

 

[mbuehner]

Let me put it this way- It was in the NFLs best interest NOT to get ahold of that tape if they couldn't do so completely above board. And there is no reason to believe it was ever offered to them by the prosecutor or the defense..

Could they have with their wealth and power? Probably so. But why would they have wanted to? It opens them up to lawsuits.

 

[B-Deep]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 14s
By cutting Ray Rice, Ravens sacrificed chance to recover lots of money from him, if NFL suspended him for the full season.

 

[Tango]

Where's their proof the NFL saw the video? And if they did, isnt the controversy immediately how the NFL got ahold of it? Some anonymous sources claiming the NFL saw it is a hell of a lot less damaging then the NFL having seen it and having to explain how.

Chronology:

Mid-summer: Peter King reports the NFL saw a video from inside the elevator

Early today: TMZ releases said video

Around 10am: NFL releases statement saying they had never seen the video

Around 10am: Peter King retracts his story saying that he relied on a source (despite not saying that in the story) and the NFL had never refuted the claim

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

Not good...

 

[cstu]

Is it possible that the NFL saw the KO video but legally couldn't suspend him a year based on the video that was public at the time?

 

[Henry Ford]

Hypothetical questions really get people upset.

But no one is self righteous.

Remember the hypothetical question of would you do _______ for $1,000,000? Everyone says no, until the money is in front of them, then hmmmm.... what do you do.

Those here seem to look at hypothetical and every situation as it is black and white. That is truly a shame, but again if you create a hypothetical you are despicable. Priceless.

No, the problem is you are justifying HITTING (physical) her for what she may have SAID (words). Not because you created a "hypothetical".

Please don't get me wrong, I am not an apologist for Ray Rice, but words can often be more painful than a punch and their effects can last a lifetime.

As for this thread and it's current state - it should be moved to FFA as it has no purpose in the Sharkpool.

Is the idea here that the effects of a punch can't last a lifetime?

I'm not sure how you extracted that out of my comment. Do you disagree with the comment? If so, that's fine. You seem to have an itchy trigger finger today on picking people's statements apart.

I'm trying to understand your position. Asking questions is how that happens.

 

[mbuehner]

Heads need to roll in the NFL office too. Rice is scum, but he has paid twice. No way NFL didnt see this video before and have the chance to do the right thing initially. Truth needs to come out.

Are you suggesting the NFL broke into the evidence locker and watched the video?

I responded to your quote in the other thread about evidence. My coworker, who works in law, said the attorneys for Rice could have gotten any evidence used against him in court turned over to his possesion. if Rice really wanted to be transparent with the NFL he could have showed them the tape.

Either he did, and they are lying, or his lawyers wouldn't allow the NFL to see it. Either way, the NFL should have been tougher.

*ETA*

I'm no lawyer, and am paraphrasing big time here. His explanation was a lot more complicated, but ended with the fact that Rice could have had access to any evidence used in court, and used it in his case with the NFL.

I agree with all of that. But there is this idea that the NFL is rich and can do whatever it wants, so of course they could demand the prosecutor let them watch the video. Thats ridiculous.

And sure TMZ can get ahold of something, because they are journalists and will hide behind their anonymous source. The NFL can hardly bribe somebody in the sherrifs department in order to produce proof they are going to use against a player. That opens up all kinds of legal nightmares.

Didnt MMQB guy and other sources before it came out claim that the NFL had seen the video? Do we know that some elaborate bribery scheme had to occur or is that just the damage control story to cover NFL?

Where's their proof the NFL saw the video? And if they did, isnt the controversy immediately how the NFL got ahold of it? Some anonymous sources claiming the NFL saw it is a hell of a lot less damaging then the NFL having seen it and having to explain how.

Where theres smoke.

Based on the commissioner announcing he made a mistake after an unexpected public relations disaster of blowback? Thats a thin reed.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so the NFL re-punishes him and bypasses its own policy, the NFLPA gotta jump on it.

I'm going to guess that the NFL has a policy about feeding the commish a pile of crap when trying to get out of trouble for something you did.

What crap? He admitted to hitting her and there is no way that this video wasn't watched by the NFL and/or Ravens before it leaked, it only took them 4 months to announce it. Then admitted shortly after announcing the suspension that it was a mistake! The Team has every right to do what they want but the NFL just can't do what they want, theres rules in place as to how this is handled. Rice and NFLPA have a huge case here.

 

[Franknbeans]

PR

 

[mbuehner]

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

Possibility (3) There was a misunderstanding between King and his source (and of course he had a source, what did you think King was in the room when the NFL allegedly watched the video?). Or the source was lying. Or the source misunderstood what he was told. Or the source wanted to sound like a big shot. This is why anonymous sources are the lowest form of credibility in journalism. It could certainly be true, but there are many scenarios where it was a mistake.

 

[TheFanatic]

so the NFL re-punishes him and bypasses its own policy, the NFLPA gotta jump on it.

That's why they leaked the video to TMZ to distance themselves from it so they can come back for round two and try to circumvent the NFLPA

 

[TheFanatic]

Let me put it this way- It was in the NFLs best interest NOT to get ahold of that tape if they couldn't do so completely above board. And there is no reason to believe it was ever offered to them by the prosecutor or the defense..

Could they have with their wealth and power? Probably so. But why would they have wanted to? It opens them up to lawsuits.

I am full on conspiracy theory on this one. They leaked the video to TMZ so they could come back around and right a wrong in terms of his punishment.

 

[mbuehner]

Let me put it this way- It was in the NFLs best interest NOT to get ahold of that tape if they couldn't do so completely above board. And there is no reason to believe it was ever offered to them by the prosecutor or the defense..

Could they have with their wealth and power? Probably so. But why would they have wanted to? It opens them up to lawsuits.

I am full on conspiracy theory on this one. They leaked the video to TMZ so they could come back around and right a wrong in terms of his punishment.

What are they, Batman? The best case was for this video to disapear forever. Does the publicity they are dealing with today sound like a good thing? Something they intentionally wanted?

 

[Bad_Mo]

Front-loaded Rice contract hurts Ravens; he walks away with $25M and they'll absorb more than $13M in cap charges http://wp.me/p14QSB-9z5O

Kudos for the organization doing the right thing...albeit later than they should have.

Despite being from Rutgers, I'm pretty sure New England would have cut the kid when solid evidence was first presented. The Ravens really had no choice here.

 

[ghostguy123]

I will have to read through some of this later, but my reaction to then NFL suspending Rice indefinitely is a total JOKE.

They already suspended him for knocking his fiance out. So now that we SEE it, it makes it worse?? So the NFL is saying that as long as the public doesnt see it happen, it's a less worse offense??

So, they suspend Rice two games, then change the domestic abuse policy based on Rice, and now the first chance they get, they change it on............wait for it...............Ray Rice. 1st offense 6 games eh?

Rice should be in jail. The legal system is a total joke anyway, but he shoulda served a bit of time. But the NFL just looks so horrifically stupid here in every possible way.

 

[Tango]

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

Possibility (3) There was a misunderstanding between King and his source (and of course he had a source, what did you think King was in the room when the NFL allegedly watched the video?). Or the source was lying. Or the source misunderstood what he was told. Or the source wanted to sound like a big shot. This is why anonymous sources are the lowest form of credibility in journalism. It could certainly be true, but there are many scenarios where it was a mistake.

King did wrong here. Big time.

I've never heard someone make no distinction among (1) an anonymous source, (2) a cited source and a (3) statement of fact...but you just did.

He stated it as fact in the article and now, months later, says it was an anonymous source!

So for the record I disagree with you:

There is absolutely a bright, shiny distinction among them and there's a chance that Peter King pays for this professionally as a result.

 

[B-Deep]

I will have to read through some of this later, but my reaction to then NFL suspending Rice indefinitely is a total JOKE.

They already suspended him for knocking his fiance out. So now that we SEE it, it makes it worse?? So the NFL is saying that as long as the public doesnt see it happen, it's a less worse offense??

So, they suspend Rice two games, then change the domestic abuse policy based on Rice, and now the first chance they get, they change it on............wait for it...............Ray Rice. 1st offense 6 games eh?

Rice should be in jail. The legal system is a total joke anyway, but he shoulda served a bit of time. But the NFL just looks so horrifically stupid here in every possible way.

I believe what they will claim is he misrepresented the facts

IF they did not see the video he seems to have been saying this was self defense of some sort, the video does not support that. If the reports are to be believed this is also what he convinced his teammates of.

IF they did not see the video they may be ok. Of course, the idea they chose not to see the video is another topic

 

[mbuehner]

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

Possibility (3) There was a misunderstanding between King and his source (and of course he had a source, what did you think King was in the room when the NFL allegedly watched the video?). Or the source was lying. Or the source misunderstood what he was told. Or the source wanted to sound like a big shot. This is why anonymous sources are the lowest form of credibility in journalism. It could certainly be true, but there are many scenarios where it was a mistake.

King did wrong here. Big time.

I've never heard someone make no distinction among (1) an anonymous source, (2) a cited source and a (3) statement of fact...but you just did.

He stated it as fact in the article and now, months later, says it was an anonymous source!

So for the record I disagree with you:

There is absolutely a bright, shiny distinction among them and there's a chance that Peter King pays for this professionally as a result.

Explain to me how under any circumstances Peter King could have been making a statement of fact that the NFL saw this video, short of having been in the room while they watched it.

And of course it was an anonymous source. Know how I know? BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS ANONYMOUS. Thats what it means when you dont cite them.

 

[B-Deep]

The process of scrubbing any vestige of Ray Rice from the Ravens organization has begun.

This afternoon, the Ravens finally deleted the tweet from the initial Ray and Janay Rice press conference, that charming one where they documented her apology for getting punched in the face and knocked unconscious.

Fortunately, we figured this might happen so we took a screenshot of it this afternoon when it was still up.

For the record, PR chief Kevin Byrne’s 1,200-word opus on why he likes Ray Rice is still on the team website.

That tweet might be as stark a reminder as any of how poorly they handled this case throughout.

There’s a certain element of circling the wagons a team is expected to do, but blaming the victim of domestic violence was ridiculous then, ridiculous now, and shameful even as they try to distance themselves from it.