Ray Rice video of KO punch released (3 Viewers)

[Tango]

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

Possibility (3) There was a misunderstanding between King and his source (and of course he had a source, what did you think King was in the room when the NFL allegedly watched the video?). Or the source was lying. Or the source misunderstood what he was told. Or the source wanted to sound like a big shot. This is why anonymous sources are the lowest form of credibility in journalism. It could certainly be true, but there are many scenarios where it was a mistake.

King did wrong here. Big time.

I've never heard someone make no distinction among (1) an anonymous source, (2) a cited source and a (3) statement of fact...but you just did.

He stated it as fact in the article and now, months later, says it was an anonymous source!

So for the record I disagree with you:

There is absolutely a bright, shiny distinction among them and there's a chance that Peter King pays for this professionally as a result.

Explain to me how under any circumstances Peter King could have been making a statement of fact that the NFL saw this video, short of having been in the room while they watched it.

And of course it was an anonymous source. Know how I know? BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS ANONYMOUS. Thats what it means when you dont cite them.

It is absolutely NOT assumed that anonymous sources are used when they are not mentioned.

Im not going to teach a journalism class here. Do a search....

 

[ghostguy123]

So suspended indefinitely for lying?? Lying??

Now lying is worse than knocking out your woman.

Look, I am a Browns fan. HATE the Ravens, HATE Ray Rice, but the NFL is seriously losing my interest. If it wasnt for fantasy football, the NFL might get the same treatment from me as the other sports, where I watch when I happen to catch a game, and certainly wouldnt make it a point to plan some of my days around it.

Geeze, for all we know Rice was drunk as hell and thought it was self defense, who knows. Or he planned all along to knock her out. Who knows, who cares. We already ALL KNEW he KO'd her. If not, what the hell was he suspended two games for??????

 

[Touchdown There]

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

Possibility (3) There was a misunderstanding between King and his source (and of course he had a source, what did you think King was in the room when the NFL allegedly watched the video?). Or the source was lying. Or the source misunderstood what he was told. Or the source wanted to sound like a big shot. This is why anonymous sources are the lowest form of credibility in journalism. It could certainly be true, but there are many scenarios where it was a mistake.

King did wrong here. Big time.

I've never heard someone make no distinction among (1) an anonymous source, (2) a cited source and a (3) statement of fact...but you just did.

He stated it as fact in the article and now, months later, says it was an anonymous source!

So for the record I disagree with you:

There is absolutely a bright, shiny distinction among them and there's a chance that Peter King pays for this professionally as a result.

Explain to me how under any circumstances Peter King could have been making a statement of fact that the NFL saw this video, short of having been in the room while they watched it.

And of course it was an anonymous source. Know how I know? BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS ANONYMOUS. Thats what it means when you dont cite them.

It is absolutely NOT assumed that anonymous sources are used when they are not mentioned.

Im not going to teach a journalism class here. Do a search....

There is no room for anonymous reporting in sports. Anonymous sources are reserved for whistle blowers who bring wrongs to light. I made a big stink on this topic back when Irsay and the Colts were leaking crap about Peyton Manning just before his release. The way it works now is that any NFL staff member can lie to a reporter, the reporter then reports it as fact from an "anonymous source close to the team" and that process need to be called out.

 

[JHuber77]

Ray Lewis on Monday Night Countdown.......let the hypocrisy begin

 

[comfortably numb]

Ray Lewis on Monday Night Countdown.......let the hypocrisy begin

Will be night and day

 

[Fariq]

So suspended indefinitely for lying?? Lying??

Now lying is worse than knocking out your woman.

Look, I am a Browns fan. HATE the Ravens, HATE Ray Rice, but the NFL is seriously losing my interest. If it wasnt for fantasy football, the NFL might get the same treatment from me as the other sports, where I watch when I happen to catch a game, and certainly wouldnt make it a point to plan some of my days around it.

Geeze, for all we know Rice was drunk as hell and thought it was self defense, who knows. Or he planned all along to knock her out. Who knows, who cares. We already ALL KNEW he KO'd her. If not, what the hell was he suspended two games for??????

Weren't you the same guy killing other people here for not watching the draft? Have you seriously lost that much interest in the past few months due to this Ray Rice stuff?

 

[AB in DC]

Let me put it this way- It was in the NFLs best interest NOT to get ahold of that tape if they couldn't do so completely above board. And there is no reason to believe it was ever offered to them by the prosecutor or the defense..

Could they have with their wealth and power? Probably so. But why would they have wanted to? It opens them up to lawsuits.

I am full on conspiracy theory on this one. They leaked the video to TMZ so they could come back around and right a wrong in terms of his punishment.

What are they, Batman? The best case was for this video to disapear forever. Does the publicity they are dealing with today sound like a good thing? Something they intentionally wanted?

There is absolutely no way that the NFL had the power to destroy the video. Too many people had their hands on it -- the hotel, Rice's lawyers, probably the DA, etc. It would have been made public, one way or another, eventually, Better to leak it now so that they could do damage control. Speaking as someone who lives in the DC area, I see this happening time after time in the politics biz. It's the #1 strategy of choice for government officials who have a skeleton in the closet when they know it's going to be uncovered sooner or later.

 

[ghostguy123]

The NFL can't look any dumber.

 

[ghostguy123]

So suspended indefinitely for lying?? Lying??

Now lying is worse than knocking out your woman.

Look, I am a Browns fan. HATE the Ravens, HATE Ray Rice, but the NFL is seriously losing my interest. If it wasnt for fantasy football, the NFL might get the same treatment from me as the other sports, where I watch when I happen to catch a game, and certainly wouldnt make it a point to plan some of my days around it.

Geeze, for all we know Rice was drunk as hell and thought it was self defense, who knows. Or he planned all along to knock her out. Who knows, who cares. We already ALL KNEW he KO'd her. If not, what the hell was he suspended two games for??????

Weren't you the same guy killing other people here for not watching the draft? Have you seriously lost that much interest in the past few months due to this Ray Rice stuff?

 

[GoBirds]

The NFL can't look any dumber.

Wouldn't be so sure at this point.

 

[KCitons]

Wow, this was 2 pages when I left for work this morning.

Hopefully, every team will start cutting players when they get in trouble. It would add some more excitement to the season.

 

[Fariq]

So suspended indefinitely for lying?? Lying??

Now lying is worse than knocking out your woman.

Look, I am a Browns fan. HATE the Ravens, HATE Ray Rice, but the NFL is seriously losing my interest. If it wasnt for fantasy football, the NFL might get the same treatment from me as the other sports, where I watch when I happen to catch a game, and certainly wouldnt make it a point to plan some of my days around it.

Geeze, for all we know Rice was drunk as hell and thought it was self defense, who knows. Or he planned all along to knock her out. Who knows, who cares. We already ALL KNEW he KO'd her. If not, what the hell was he suspended two games for??????

Weren't you the same guy killing other people here for not watching the draft? Have you seriously lost that much interest in the past few months due to this Ray Rice stuff?

WHAT DOES THE REAL NFL DRAFT HAVE TO DO WITH FANTASY FOOTBALL????????

LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tango]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

 

[Tango]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

 

[fatness]

Where's their proof the NFL saw the video? And if they did, isnt the controversy immediately how the NFL got ahold of it? Some anonymous sources claiming the NFL saw it is a hell of a lot less damaging then the NFL having seen it and having to explain how.

Chronology:

Mid-summer: Peter King reports the NFL saw a video from inside the elevator

Early today: TMZ releases said video

Around 10am: NFL releases statement saying they had never seen the video

Around 10am: Peter King retracts his story saying that he relied on a source (despite not saying that in the story) and the NFL had never refuted the claim

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

(3) Peter King says what the NFL tells him to say.

 

[GoBirds]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

Its like going to bed on Christmas Eve.

 

[Tango]

Where's their proof the NFL saw the video? And if they did, isnt the controversy immediately how the NFL got ahold of it? Some anonymous sources claiming the NFL saw it is a hell of a lot less damaging then the NFL having seen it and having to explain how.

Chronology:

Mid-summer: Peter King reports the NFL saw a video from inside the elevator

Early today: TMZ releases said video

Around 10am: NFL releases statement saying they had never seen the video

Around 10am: Peter King retracts his story saying that he relied on a source (despite not saying that in the story) and the NFL had never refuted the claim

Conclusions:

(1) Peter King violated some core reporter principles

(2) The NFL is ether lying or looks recklessly stupid

(3) Peter King says what the NFL tells him to say.

Right, principles is plural in #1! Only a few dominoes have to fall for King to lose his job on NBC. It doesnt mean it's going to happen, but we'll see.

 

[Tango]

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

Its like going to bed on Christmas Eve.

 

[General Tso]

Mort and King have a lot of 'splaining to do. The are either

1. Part of the coverup

2. Guilty of very shoddy reporting

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

Its like going to bed on Christmas Eve.

This is all kind of strange to me lol. What's your hope of the ending and why does it excite you? I couldn't careless what he saw or not but I don't feel excited about it lol

 

[fatness]

This might get interesting.

Speaking on FOX5, TMZ's Harvey Levin said that the website has more information about the incident, and that come Tuesday morning, they will prove that the NFL knew about the video and decided to turn a blind eye.

"When you wake up tomorrow, go to our website, and you will see what the NFL didn’t do," Levin said."I believe they turned a blind eye to it. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed, they knew the casino has surveillance video, and we will explain (on Tuesday) why we know they knew that — but they did. They didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

NFL released a statement on Monday saying that they were unaware of the video until it was released to the public.

"We requested from law enforcement any and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator. That video was not made available to us and no one in our office has seen it until today,"

Since the release of the video, Rice has been released by the Baltimore Ravens and suspended indefinitely by the NFL.

“Prosecutors had this, police had it, I know people had this video, too," Levin said. "The NFL, it almost feels like they didn’t want to know."

The NFL says only that they requested it from prosecutors. It doesn't say they requested it from the hotel, or Rice's attorney, or anyone else.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/09/ray_rice_video_tmz_says_they_know_the_nfl_knew_about_video_will_release_more_information_on_tuesday.html

 

[RBM]

I will have to read through some of this later, but my reaction to then NFL suspending Rice indefinitely is a total JOKE.

They already suspended him for knocking his fiance out. So now that we SEE it, it makes it worse?? So the NFL is saying that as long as the public doesnt see it happen, it's a less worse offense??

So, they suspend Rice two games, then change the domestic abuse policy based on Rice, and now the first chance they get, they change it on............wait for it...............Ray Rice. 1st offense 6 games eh?

Rice should be in jail. The legal system is a total joke anyway, but he shoulda served a bit of time. But the NFL just looks so horrifically stupid here in every possible way.

I believe what they will claim is he misrepresented the factsIF they did not see the video he seems to have been saying this was self defense of some sort, the video does not support that. If the reports are to be believed this is also what he convinced his teammates of.

IF they did not see the video they may be ok. Of course, the idea they chose not to see the video is another topic

Ha that's some thorough investigation.

Rice: "I feel terrible but I had to defend myself, I'm sorry"

NFL: "Ok"

 

[GoBirds]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

Its like going to bed on Christmas Eve.

This is all kind of strange to me lol. What's your hope of the ending and why does it excite you? I couldn't careless what he saw or not but I don't feel excited about it lol

Mostly joking but also interested at how these cockroaches at TMZ have played this out perfectly. Also I feel like Rice has been made example only because of the reaction and feel if the NFL is caught in any lies should face serious consequences as well.

 

[Tango]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

Its like going to bed on Christmas Eve.

This is all kind of strange to me lol. What's your hope of the ending and why does it excite you? I couldn't careless what he saw or not but I don't feel excited about it lol

He was joking. It was funny.

I find it strange you couldnt care less that the NFL may be accused of, for a lack of a better term, covering this up. The idea is currently captivating the sports and non-sports media.

But you're certainly entitled to not care if you dont want to. More power to you. I'd just advise you stay away from a computer/TV/etc for the next 24-48 hours.

 

[az_prof]

So suspended indefinitely for lying?? Lying??

Now lying is worse than knocking out your woman.

Look, I am a Browns fan. HATE the Ravens, HATE Ray Rice, but the NFL is seriously losing my interest. If it wasnt for fantasy football, the NFL might get the same treatment from me as the other sports, where I watch when I happen to catch a game, and certainly wouldnt make it a point to plan some of my days around it.

Geeze, for all we know Rice was drunk as hell and thought it was self defense, who knows. Or he planned all along to knock her out. Who knows, who cares. We already ALL KNEW he KO'd her. If not, what the hell was he suspended two games for??????

What the video shows is that his KO of a woman was not at all justified--she is not hitting or hurting or threatening him. She lightly slaps his chest on the way into the elevator--nothing that would hurt or threaten. And then the next thing you know in the elevator he is giving her a right and a left. She never touches him a threatening way. So, you SEE how unjustified and violent and unequal the encounter is. And then you try to square that with his press conference where he bullied her into saying that she was somehow responsible and you can only conclude that he has no grasp on reality and is a threat to innocent women around him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

Its like going to bed on Christmas Eve.

This is all kind of strange to me lol. What's your hope of the ending and why does it excite you? I couldn't careless what he saw or not but I don't feel excited about it lol

He was joking. It was funny.

I find it strange you couldnt care less that the NFL may be accused of, for a lack of a better term, covering this up. The idea is currently captivating the sports and non-sports media.

But you're certainly entitled to not care if you dont want to. More power to you. I'd just advise you stay away from a computer/TV/etc for the next 24-48 hours.

He was joking and I get that. I was saying what I said with a smile, that's why there's some "LOL''s" in there.

What he saw or not is irrelevant, it won't be able to be proved. I feel like we've done this before with Spygate and the conscussion stuff. I don't have a side in this.

 

[massraider]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 2m
TMZ isn't saying NFL had tape. TMZ is saying NFL could have gotten tape. Which we have been saying for more than a month.

Good luck with getting Goodell fired for not trying hard enough to get the tape.

 

[Tango]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 2m
TMZ isn't saying NFL had tape. TMZ is saying NFL could have gotten tape. Which we have been saying for more than a month.

Good luck with getting Goodell fired for not trying hard enough to get the tape.

I would have agreed if only the sports media was involved.

But we have CNN, my mom, the President, etc. all asking questions and pressing hard.

Declaring Goodell safe is premature at this point IMO.

 

[BigBlue_RI]

Thank god for such credible journalists like TMZ. Shame on King and Mort!

On another note, Ray Rice has a future in boxing and MMA with that left hook.

 

[ghostguy123]

The NFL can't look any dumber.

Wouldn't be so sure at this point.

yeah you are probably right.

 

[AB in DC]

This might get interesting.

Speaking on FOX5, TMZ's Harvey Levin said that the website has more information about the incident, and that come Tuesday morning, they will prove that the NFL knew about the video and decided to turn a blind eye.

"When you wake up tomorrow, go to our website, and you will see what the NFL didn’t do," Levin said."I believe they turned a blind eye to it. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed, they knew the casino has surveillance video, and we will explain (on Tuesday) why we know they knew that — but they did. They didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

Interesting choice of words there.

 

[ghostguy123]

So suspended indefinitely for lying?? Lying??

Now lying is worse than knocking out your woman.

Look, I am a Browns fan. HATE the Ravens, HATE Ray Rice, but the NFL is seriously losing my interest. If it wasnt for fantasy football, the NFL might get the same treatment from me as the other sports, where I watch when I happen to catch a game, and certainly wouldnt make it a point to plan some of my days around it.

Geeze, for all we know Rice was drunk as hell and thought it was self defense, who knows. Or he planned all along to knock her out. Who knows, who cares. We already ALL KNEW he KO'd her. If not, what the hell was he suspended two games for??????

Weren't you the same guy killing other people here for not watching the draft? Have you seriously lost that much interest in the past few months due to this Ray Rice stuff?

WHAT DOES THE REAL NFL DRAFT HAVE TO DO WITH FANTASY FOOTBALL????????

LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for dynasty leagues, quite a bit.

Not to mention following your hometown team.

 

[ghostguy123]

Maybe GODell can suspend himself (with pay of course)

 

[ghostguy123]

So suspended indefinitely for lying?? Lying??

Now lying is worse than knocking out your woman.

Look, I am a Browns fan. HATE the Ravens, HATE Ray Rice, but the NFL is seriously losing my interest. If it wasnt for fantasy football, the NFL might get the same treatment from me as the other sports, where I watch when I happen to catch a game, and certainly wouldnt make it a point to plan some of my days around it.

Geeze, for all we know Rice was drunk as hell and thought it was self defense, who knows. Or he planned all along to knock her out. Who knows, who cares. We already ALL KNEW he KO'd her. If not, what the hell was he suspended two games for??????

What the video shows is that his KO of a woman was not at all justified--she is not hitting or hurting or threatening him. She lightly slaps his chest on the way into the elevator--nothing that would hurt or threaten. And then the next thing you know in the elevator he is giving her a right and a left. She never touches him a threatening way. So, you SEE how unjustified and violent and unequal the encounter is. And then you try to square that with his press conference where he bullied her into saying that she was somehow responsible and you can only conclude that he has no grasp on reality and is a threat to innocent women around him.

That's great. Rice is a D-bag. We knew this already.

So what exactly gets you a 6 game suspension??

 

[TheFanatic]

Let me put it this way- It was in the NFLs best interest NOT to get ahold of that tape if they couldn't do so completely above board. And there is no reason to believe it was ever offered to them by the prosecutor or the defense..

Could they have with their wealth and power? Probably so. But why would they have wanted to? It opens them up to lawsuits.

I am full on conspiracy theory on this one. They leaked the video to TMZ so they could come back around and right a wrong in terms of his punishment.

What are they, Batman? The best case was for this video to disapear forever. Does the publicity they are dealing with today sound like a good thing? Something they intentionally wanted?

By leaking this video, they were able to right the wrong of the 2 game suspension that should've been at least 8 games.

 

[ghostguy123]

Ok. We all know Rice is a total D. He should be in jail. However, he isn't in jail, and won't be in jail.

Now as far as the NFL goes. They gave him 2 games for knocking her out. Now that they SEE it, it all of a sudden trumps their new policy on suspensions regarding domestic violence. WHat's the point of the new policy?

So question: What warrants a 6 game suspension? Dez slapping his mama? If one of the player's women CLAIMS assault?? Will the NFL even investigate??

WHy even have ANY policies when they just do what they are gonna do no matter what it says anyway?

 

[Tango]

WHy even have ANY policies when they just do what they are gonna do no matter what it says anyway?

Agree.

Goodell chose a path a few years ago that the NFL can never be successful on. The NFL is not equipped to adjudicate consistent, detailed judgments on any of the thousands of possible crimes its players/owners/management commit.

I'm all for an employer barring just about any behavior it wants, but these detailed policies for the crime-of-the-week leave out so much by omission on the details of the crimes at-hand and/or the countless other crimes that could be committed that it is/was inevitable that the NFL would get buried by its own shovel.

 

[HughHoney]

People criticize TMZ, call them cockroaches, and I understand where all the hate comes from. But they've now broken the Sterling story and released the Rice video. These guys are breaking news without bias, or having affiliations that would make them withhold information and it's leading to changing some things. I give them credit.

 

[HughHoney]

This is way off topic but the NCAA lifting the sanctions against Penn State today was some sly PR on their part.

 

[massraider]

People criticize TMZ, call them cockroaches, and I understand where all the hate comes from. But they've now broken the Sterling story and released the Rice video. These guys are breaking news without bias, or having affiliations that would make them withhold information and it's leading to changing some things. I give them credit.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[tim_whatley]

I wonder if Rice was offered a chance to buy the video before TMZ released it or before whomever had it before they sold it to TMZ? It is my understanding that is the way these celeb tapes often work?

 

[massraider]

I wonder if Rice was offered a chance to buy the video before TMZ released it or before whomever had it before they sold it to TMZ? It is my understanding that is the way these celeb tapes often work?

Interesting.

I would guess if he was offered the tape, it was well after he was suspended (the first time). I am guessing Rice probably figured why throw away money, suspension was already a done deal, so thanks, but no thanks. Probably figured he could weather the storm.

 

[ghostguy123]

WHy even have ANY policies when they just do what they are gonna do no matter what it says anyway?

Agree.

Goodell chose a path a few years ago that the NFL can never be successful on. The NFL is not equipped to adjudicate consistent, detailed judgments on any of the thousands of possible crimes its players/owners/management commit.

I'm all for an employer barring just about any behavior it wants, but these detailed policies for the crime-of-the-week leave out so much by omission on the details of the crimes at-hand and/or the countless other crimes that could be committed that it is/was inevitable that the NFL would get buried by its own shovel.

yeah, and even though in the grand scheme of things this isnt so important, but it's a making fantasy all that much more challenging.

Gordon out for the year, back 2 weeks later maybe??

Rice out 2 weeks, now banned for life or whatever?

 

[PatsWillWin]

I wonder if Rice was offered a chance to buy the video before TMZ released it or before whomever had it before they sold it to TMZ? It is my understanding that is the way these celeb tapes often work?

Wouldn't have mattered. Whatever source had the tape, someon

WHy even have ANY policies when they just do what they are gonna do no matter what it says anyway?

Agree.

Goodell chose a path a few years ago that the NFL can never be successful on. The NFL is not equipped to adjudicate consistent, detailed judgments on any of the thousands of possible crimes its players/owners/management commit.

I'm all for an employer barring just about any behavior it wants, but these detailed policies for the crime-of-the-week leave out so much by omission on the details of the crimes at-hand and/or the countless other crimes that could be committed that it is/was inevitable that the NFL would get buried by its own shovel.

Goodell's banning him for the PR, and he's banking on the fact that the NFLPA is not going to go to war to defend a woman-knocker-outter. He's likely right.

Rice can/probably will appeal, or maybe he'll decide to lay low for the season and attempt a comeback next year, who knows.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

People criticize TMZ, call them cockroaches, and I understand where all the hate comes from. But they've now broken the Sterling story and released the Rice video. These guys are breaking news without bias, or having affiliations that would make them withhold information and it's leading to changing some things. I give them credit.

all the people calling them cockroaches are the ones eating up their......cockroach honey?

what do roaches make?

 

[tim_whatley]

I wonder if Rice was offered a chance to buy the video before TMZ released it or before whomever had it before they sold it to TMZ? It is my understanding that is the way these celeb tapes often work?

Interesting.

I would guess if he was offered the tape, it was well after he was suspended (the first time). I am guessing Rice probably figured why throw away money, suspension was already a done deal, so thanks, but no thanks. Probably figured he could weather the storm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI

 

[justinl]

I wonder if Rice was offered a chance to buy the video before TMZ released it or before whomever had it before they sold it to TMZ? It is my understanding that is the way these celeb tapes often work?

Wouldn't have mattered. Whatever source had the tape, someon

WHy even have ANY policies when they just do what they are gonna do no matter what it says anyway?

Agree.

Goodell chose a path a few years ago that the NFL can never be successful on. The NFL is not equipped to adjudicate consistent, detailed judgments on any of the thousands of possible crimes its players/owners/management commit.

I'm all for an employer barring just about any behavior it wants, but these detailed policies for the crime-of-the-week leave out so much by omission on the details of the crimes at-hand and/or the countless other crimes that could be committed that it is/was inevitable that the NFL would get buried by its own shovel.

Goodell's banning him for the PR, and he's banking on the fact that the NFLPA is not going to go to war to defend a woman-knocker-outter. He's likely right.

Rice can/probably will appeal, or maybe he'll decide to lay low for the season and attempt a comeback next year, who knows.

I just want to hear Goodell sort out the mess w/ Hardy and McDonald now. It'll be interesting. Does he:

1) give them an indefinite ban;

2) suspend them for 6 games;

3) suspend them 1 season;

4) go back to the 2 game suspension bc it looks like they will face criminal charges

Hearing Hardy's situation, that guy has issues. He's the type that needs help. I wouldn't worry about Ray as much as I would Hardy.

 

[rockaction]

Harvey Levin

"When you wake up tomrorrow you will learn what the NFL didnt do"

Holy moly.......

TMZ plans to release proof that NFL 'turned blind eye' to Rice videohttp://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tmz-plans-to-release-proof-that-nfl--turned-blind-eye--to-rice-video-002259381.html

This is like what Breitbart did with the ACORN stuff. Whatever your politics, the storage and then slow trickle/release of video and audio that undermines corporate or political PR is ####### crazy brilliant.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

On another note, Ray Rice has a future in boxing and MMA with that left hook.

He could probably be the women's straweight champion.

 

[ghostguy123]

I just want to hear Goodell sort out the mess w/ Hardy and McDonald now. It'll be interesting. Does he:

1) give them an indefinite ban;

2) suspend them for 6 games;

3) suspend them 1 season;

4) go back to the 2 game suspension bc it looks like they will face criminal charges

Hearing Hardy's situation, that guy has issues. He's the type that needs help. I wouldn't worry about Ray as much as I would Hardy.

It doesnt matter what Goodell decided, it is clearly subject to change whenever the wind changes direction