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Ray Rice video of KO punch released (2 Viewers)
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I'm mostly outraged because I feel like the fans have been sold a bill of goods on this.
up until seeing this video I had imagined ray just tickling her so much she couldn't breathe and blacked out --- I'm sure everybody here knows what I mean.
maybe even hypnotized her, or something like that.
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pats would've already cut his ### -- stay classy, baltimore
up until seeing this video I had imagined ray just tickling her so much she couldn't breathe and blacked out --- I'm sure everybody here knows what I mean.
maybe even hypnotized her, or something like that.
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pats would've already cut his ### -- stay classy, baltimore
jojoh07
Footballguy
JimmyJabroni
Footballguy
Ray Rice could do the classy thing and step down for the year, check in to anger management, work with abused women, rehab his image and maybe come back next year.
I have him on three of my rosters as part of my WR/TE heavy draft strategy.
I'm not dropping him, and if he starts somewhere and produces, I'll start him. This is fantasy football. If we didn't draft, own, start, etc, players who did things we disagree with morally we'd never be competitive. Ray Rice receives exactly zero of anything in any way because I have him on my roster instead of somebody else. Let's not throw reason and logic out the window here.
I mean, if you personally dont want him on your team, more power to you. But somebody will.
B-Deep
Footballguy
then there's no reason to drop him
i own him in one dynasty league and he won't start for me ever no matter what. does it make a difference to him? No, but I cannot expect the Ravens to take the high road at the risk of their season which generates millions of dollars if i am not willing to do the same for my crappy $50 fantasy team.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
When we all saw the video of her being lifless originally, did we think he soft punched her? I'm a tad lost here. I thought we all knew he punched her and knocked her out, (even though I think the fall may have knocked her out) am I the only one that imagined he punched the crap out of her from the beginning?
I agree with your view that Rice will step down.
As Ive said before, that seems like the most likely outcome:
Rice will get an ultimatum and he will choose to fall on a sword rather than have someone swing it.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
fair enough
i won't start him...will either drop/trade/ or just hold him on the bench
B-Deep
Footballguy
things are different when you see them with your own eyes
rodney king, for example
hearing about it and imagining it is different from seeing it
th3f00l
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Yeah,that doesn't pass the smell test. Or Goodell is incompetent/lacks judgment. Elements of both options probably have a hint of truth here.
B-Deep
Footballguy
...she is different from the Dodo
And from the Kankabono
She is different from the Aztec
And from the Cherokee
She's everybody's sister
She's a symbolic of our failure
She's the one in fifty million
Who can help us to be free
Because she died on TV
- R Waters
I think we were lead to believe that he pushed her by accident and that she actually hit her head on the railing to cause her to be knocked out (althought this part is still true). That and the fact that she didn't press charges, the DA didn't pursue charges, she eventually married him, and they both met with Godell made it seem less of a big deal than it was.
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We Tigers
Footballguy
No, I'm with you. I was really surprised there wasn't more talk of a release when the original video came to light. But seeing it actually go down definitely has a bigger impact than inferring it, so I'm also not surprised this has really crystallized the outrage that a lot of casual observers have probably had in the back of their minds, waiting for a trigger like this. Plus, this also clears any ambiguity for anyone who was inclined to give Rice some benefit of the doubt as to what went down.
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Think it comes down to actually seeing it. Say you are Rice's fiancees father...you can imagine what occurred in that elevator and be enraged. But I think it would produce a completely different and almost unmanageable reaction if he saw it.
To an extent, I see where you are coming from...we all knew what happened and what we see now is probably very close to how we construed it in our heads. But now everyone has the same concrete, referenceable image in their heads and that's going to be tough to shake.
I agree with Rice's fall on the sword course of action. He can't be a football player by his own doing...taking responsibility means doling out the harshest punishment in this case for him which is to remove the NFL from his life.
ETA; If I'm Goodell, I'm embarrassed. I would think in judging the case, I ask the question (probably the first question I ask) 'do we have footage from inside the elevator?'
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Return of the Sheep
Footballguy
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Agree; I also wonder how long a copy of that full video has been available to the NFL and the Ravens. Don't see him getting cut. There's so much going on with the start of the season and such, this will likely be swept under the carpet by the league and nobody will be talking about it in a few days.
The overreaction to actually seeing the crime is outrageous. JimmyJabaroni would have him quit his job and be on the next flight to Kenya to personally breastfeed starving babies to makeup for what he do. There usually isn't video, but my guess is there are likely a lot of guys that have been popped for domestic abuse in the NFL that displayed just as despicable behavior.
I'm not giving him a pass, but he came forth, apologized, will have to face any legal consequences, and accepted the punishment his employer handed down.
B-Deep
Footballguy
By now, most of you have seen the latest video of Ray Rice throwing a punch at Janay Palmer, via TMZ, and before we get into the sheer brutality of the despicable act—and what the Ravens should do in response to this new evidence—I want to take you back in time. To February, some 108 days ago.
It was after the initial video had emerged, showing Rice dragging his then-unconscious fiancee out of an elevator like she was a sack of groceries. The story had exploded. The Ravens' initial reaction was to care more about Rice and his reputation than what happened in that elevator.
This is symbolized by a tweet from the official Ravens Twitter account. It was this simple:
That tweet takes on a new meaning now, in light of the new video. ..
...There is a great deal of blame to go around on this. The court system that allowed Rice to escape practically punishment free. Goodell, who gave too light a suspension. The horrendous Ravens fans whocheered Rice when he returned to the field.
But the greatest culprit is the Ravens organization that defended him with tweets like the one previously mentioned, playing into the insidiousness of domestic violence by blaming the victim. Then they held that sham of a press conference, with coach John Harbaugh dismissing the light suspension as "not a big deal" and calling Rice as "a heckuva guy." There should now be mass firings inside that franchise.
I'm hearing it's possible the Ravens cut Rice outright. That could be tricky. But if that isn't the immediate action—letting him go—there is one way the Ravens can at least start to repair this disaster. It's simple and effective and makes a statement better than anything they've done so far.
An NFL league source confirmed that Harbaugh can deactivate Rice. He can deactivate Rice each week. Every week. As much as he wants. Harbaugh has that right.
Deactivating Rice might be the easiest recourse, because it seems—based on interviews with various league and union officials—that Goodell might not have the legal right to retroactively punish Rice.
The union would fight the league, but let them fight. Let the union be on the side of a woman beater who launched an atrocious attack against a woman. Go ahead. Defend him.
I can tell you this. I had a brief text conversation with a Ravens player I've known for some time who told me that the locker room before stood by Rice. Now?
"I don't think he has very much support now at all," the player texted. "I think it's gone."
The player added that one reason the locker room stood behind Rice was because Rice gave them the impression that he was defending himself from her (as ridiculous as the notion is of a weaponless, petite woman being a threat to a pro athlete). The video, the player said, betrays what Rice told players.
So Harbaugh could do this, and the locker room would probably be behind him.
But that shouldn't even matter. And the Ravens shouldn't take yet another smarmy approach to this story by letting the NFL handle it. They should. They should announce that Rice will be deactivated. They need to do something themselves besides defend Rice.
Rice shouldn't ever play in the NFL again, and his team can take steps to ensure that he doesn't. Deactivate him each game for the rest of the season. Then cut him.
It was after the initial video had emerged, showing Rice dragging his then-unconscious fiancee out of an elevator like she was a sack of groceries. The story had exploded. The Ravens' initial reaction was to care more about Rice and his reputation than what happened in that elevator.
This is symbolized by a tweet from the official Ravens Twitter account. It was this simple:
Do you see what the Ravens did there? They slyly, disgustingly and eerily placed the blame on Janay. They aided and abetted.
That tweet takes on a new meaning now, in light of the new video. ..
...There is a great deal of blame to go around on this. The court system that allowed Rice to escape practically punishment free. Goodell, who gave too light a suspension. The horrendous Ravens fans whocheered Rice when he returned to the field.
But the greatest culprit is the Ravens organization that defended him with tweets like the one previously mentioned, playing into the insidiousness of domestic violence by blaming the victim. Then they held that sham of a press conference, with coach John Harbaugh dismissing the light suspension as "not a big deal" and calling Rice as "a heckuva guy." There should now be mass firings inside that franchise.
I'm hearing it's possible the Ravens cut Rice outright. That could be tricky. But if that isn't the immediate action—letting him go—there is one way the Ravens can at least start to repair this disaster. It's simple and effective and makes a statement better than anything they've done so far.
An NFL league source confirmed that Harbaugh can deactivate Rice. He can deactivate Rice each week. Every week. As much as he wants. Harbaugh has that right.
Deactivating Rice might be the easiest recourse, because it seems—based on interviews with various league and union officials—that Goodell might not have the legal right to retroactively punish Rice.
The union would fight the league, but let them fight. Let the union be on the side of a woman beater who launched an atrocious attack against a woman. Go ahead. Defend him.
I can tell you this. I had a brief text conversation with a Ravens player I've known for some time who told me that the locker room before stood by Rice. Now?
"I don't think he has very much support now at all," the player texted. "I think it's gone."
The player added that one reason the locker room stood behind Rice was because Rice gave them the impression that he was defending himself from her (as ridiculous as the notion is of a weaponless, petite woman being a threat to a pro athlete). The video, the player said, betrays what Rice told players.
So Harbaugh could do this, and the locker room would probably be behind him.
But that shouldn't even matter. And the Ravens shouldn't take yet another smarmy approach to this story by letting the NFL handle it. They should. They should announce that Rice will be deactivated. They need to do something themselves besides defend Rice.
Rice shouldn't ever play in the NFL again, and his team can take steps to ensure that he doesn't. Deactivate him each game for the rest of the season. Then cut him.
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Exactly. If even one photo of Vick smiling next to a dog he had just hanged he wouldn't even be able to live in this country never mind collect millions to keep playing football.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Remember we did have that discussion about how she must have "provoked him" according to the Screaming A Smith of the world.
Link?
DA indicted him on a felony charge. DA agreed to a plea deal to a lesser charge - which is similar to what any first-time offender might have gotten.
Ravens won't cut him unless the players on the team want him out.
Its an interesting phenomenon with people thinking he should be "fired". It is clearly a natural reaction when we see someone guilty of a crime - but is it really a fair outcome? Because, presumably if you want someone fired from their job, you must also think he does not deserve to work anywhere - or are there certain jobs where it is acceptable to hit women? So, do we really think people lie Rice are not allowed to work anywhere?
B-Deep
Footballguy
I'd agree
I kept waiting for this video and thought it would mean the end for him. But they passed down the punishment without it ever coming out.
Well it was bound to come out at some point, so lets see what happens now.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Not going to go into the Vick incident b/c there is a whole laundry list of legal issues there, I don't even recall what the NFL did in terms of punishment against Vick, if there was any. But I thought the leniency was afforded to Rice b/c of his relatively clean sheet? Add to that alcohol was at play, both Rice and his fiancee reconciled, the DA was not pursuing anything further, and Rice was taking classes it's why something more strict was not levied.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
just think if there was a video of Vick killing dogs or Big Ben all over that passed out girl.
JHuber77
Footballguy
I don't get why people are all up in arms right now. Everyone knew what happened in that elevator. I guess people have to see to believe. I don't see how the NFL could punish him further as it would be double jeopardy. I also don't see the Ravens cutting him as everyone already knew what happened.
treat88
Footballguy
He got exactly what anyone, never previously convicted of a crime of any type, would for a first time DV offense.
Does he deserve more for being an NFL player?
fatness
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
I think that in a sport that is violent by nature anyone who blurs the lines and lets violence flood into the real world needs to be treated harshly. I think when you are an employee as high profile and public as all NFL players are things that you do have a greater impact than when an anonymous broom pusher does the same thing. That does not make the broom pusher any less wrong, but less visible. When someone so visible does something so wrong there is an expectation of a punishment to send a message. That's part of the gig. When you accept a position as a public face of a company your actions are their actions and you have to behave better
additionally, when you accept a position that is in the media as much as any NFL player's position is by its nature, you accept that anything you do is amplified because it will be reported and spread and reflect on the team, the league, the sport, and the fans.
Do you have a link to where he was treated differently in the legal system from anyone else who was a first-time offender? Not everyone who commits a crime does any time in jail - including domestic abuse cases. The vast majority of people who plead guilty, do not go to jail.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I guess I always imagined him doing what I saw on the video. I get where everyone else is coming and it boils down to what you though originally I guess
Franknbeans
Footballguy
that her head would not have bounced off of were it not for the punch
Jeez, I hope you were kidding
Because now there is a public outcry that is 10x more than it was a few weeks ago.
He is toast. Maybe self-imposed by Rice, maybe not. But either way he's toast.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And how can there be so many reporters with so many sources and no one know about this video? Someone with an axe to grind or was he asking for too much money?
B-Deep
Footballguy
he may bethat her head would not have bounced off of were it not for the punch
Jeez, I hope you were kidding
but that is one of the excuses...
Mike Golic @espngolic 59m
“@4JonnyB20: @TMZ @espngolic I think it was more a push nd her smacking the wall of the ele KO'd her” couldn't disagree more
JHuber77
Footballguy
In what way? The NFL probably can't suspend him more and the Ravens already knew what happened.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Is the message supposed to be "don't do this in front of a camera." Or "don't do this."
Is every other team going to cut its players convicted of assault and domestic violence too?
Is every other team going to cut its players convicted of assault and domestic violence too?
