Ray Rice video of KO punch released (1 Viewer)

[Gustavo Fring]

I thought the suspension was 6 games for a first offense? If he is suspended for the entire year, this sets the precedent that every player after him that is arrested for domestic violence would need to serve the same offense (Ray Rice being a first time offender).

What he did was horrible, and he deserves to be suspended...however, under league rules this should be 2 games or at the most 6 games, since this was his first offense. Just because his domestic violence was caught on camera, means he is likely done for the year due to all the media outrage. Most of the domestic violence you DON'T see, is just as bad or even worse behind closed doors, and players only are getting 6 games.

Charging players different lengths of penalties for the same offense is a slippery slope...

 

[Baeddel Moon]

You would think I support women beating because I make that argument. If you are not attacking Ray Rice, you are scum.

Hate to see what happens to a person who wears his jersey to a game. Ironically I bet people would beat the person up because they dont like them wearing a shirt of a wife beater. Then think its OK to do so afterwards, two wrongs make a right in society.

One can make a good argument after seeing statements like this:

Why does another man, punching his wife bother you so much?

Now why would you think a thing like that?

Posted 19 February 2014 - 01:57 PM

So what is the proper way to handle being spit on in public by your fiance?

Do you just walk away leave her there and hope she comes home in a better mood?

Do you walk away and sit in the corner while she goes spends your money at the Casino?

Do you act like being spit on is not a big deal and that nothing happened?

Luckily my fiance and I have respect for each other so this will never be an issue.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=704076&p=16549066

 

[False Start]

You would think I support women beating because I make that argument. If you are not attacking Ray Rice, you are scum.

Hate to see what happens to a person who wears his jersey to a game. Ironically I bet people would beat the person up because they dont like them wearing a shirt of a wife beater. Then think its OK to do so afterwards, two wrongs make a right in society.

One can make a good argument after seeing statements like this:

Why does another man, punching his wife bother you so much?

Now why would you think a thing like that?

Posted 19 February 2014 - 01:57 PM

So what is the proper way to handle being spit on in public by your fiance?

Do you just walk away leave her there and hope she comes home in a better mood?

Do you walk away and sit in the corner while she goes spends your money at the Casino?

Do you act like being spit on is not a big deal and that nothing happened?

Luckily my fiance and I have respect for each other so this will never be an issue.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=704076&p=16549066

Of course in society asking questions means you support it. Duh!

 

[Doug B]

I thought the suspension was 6 games for a first offense?.

When it gets sorted out, the league is likely to say that the indefinite suspension was not for the specific incident in the elevator, but for Rice making false statements to league investigators. There is already precedent for this -- Gregg Williams being the most prominent.

Gregg Williams' "indefinite" suspension ended up being for about one calendar year. Ray Rice, as an RB in his late 20s, is obvioualy hurt more than Williams by missing a year.

 

[False Start]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

 

[ICON211]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

Thank God you got that on the record.

 

[False Start]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

Thank God you got that on the record.

 

[Doug B]

No you are just :whoosh:

OK, let's take it from the top.

You posted this to fatness upthread:

Why does another man, punching his wife bother you so much? Its wrong, no one is saying it is, but why is it so important that this man suffers from his own problems that do not effect you none? Why do you find it important to make his life more miserable because you do not agree with what he does?Did he punch your wife, did he punch a woman in your family? No he didnt. I dont understand why so many care as if he attacked their family.

Since I believe it is wrong for a man to batter his wife, I should be bothered by another man doing so -- even if I don't personally know the people involved. Now then, "being bothered" here just means I feel and express contempt for Ray Rice. It doesn't mean I'm going to fly to Baltimore and picket his house, or do anything directly about it at all.

People care without having personal stakes because society has to have ground rules, and there have to be things that are sacred. Very few people feel like murder should fly, for example -- that's a gronud rule pretty much everyone accepts. But severity of action doesn't always play into how ingrained a societal rule actually is. Hitting spouses (and children, which I feel is similar), while not typically deadly, can still abhor people in the same way. The sanctity and safety of family and a household are sacrosanct for a lot of people.

You post further:

I find it odd people want others to suffer instead of get them help.

First off, it's not undue suffering. It's not something happening to him because of mere fate. It's punishment for s specific breach, a felony. Something he directly made happen.

Anyway, I think you are making a false dichotomy. It's not deciding between capricious punishment and getting a troubled person help. Rice has to accept both. Avoiding punishment and going straight to the help means that Rice would never have to accept responsibility for his action. He wouldn't have to accept that his action had an undesirable consequence the way you set it up. Help is not a substitute for punishment.

 

[fatness]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

Michael Sam coming out got more attention than guys who (allegedly) slapped his girlfriend and raped women (allegedly). Sad.

 

[meatwad1]

When you saw him dragging her body out of the elevator, what did you think happen? Guess we can call you uneducated people if you thought what you saw on the video wasnt what happened.

False Start thinks people are stupid for watching the video and not knowing beforehand exactly what happened without seeing it.

That includes NFL players, NFL coaches, NFL fans everywhere, newscasters, Ravens fans who formerly supported Rice and abandoned him after seeing the video, and most NFL reporters who are usually NFL suckups.

They're all stupid according to False Smart.

And he is right about that. You really have to be pretty dense to not understand what happens when you get punched by a pro athlete.

 

[Pipes]

You would think Ray Rice killed someone if you read these threads or watch the media.

He could've easily done that. And people aren't being fake...most people were appalled he initially only got two games.

 

[massraider]

When you saw him dragging her body out of the elevator, what did you think happen? Guess we can call you uneducated people if you thought what you saw on the video wasnt what happened.

False Start thinks people are stupid for watching the video and not knowing beforehand exactly what happened without seeing it.

That includes NFL players, NFL coaches, NFL fans everywhere, newscasters, Ravens fans who formerly supported Rice and abandoned him after seeing the video, and most NFL reporters who are usually NFL suckups.

They're all stupid according to False Smart.

And he is right about that. You really have to be pretty dense to not understand what happens when you get punched by a pro athlete.

I think you have to be pretty dense to not understand that seeing a man punch a woman is different than hearing about it.

 

[Pipes]

Self Righteousness!

Damn straight. I'll own that with pride. In fact, you've inadvertently paid me a high compliment.

Don't mistake "self-righteous" with "misguided". On this matter, everyone should absolutely be self-rightwous. There really aren't a bunch of legitimate competing viewpoints here. People don't get to batter their family -- spouse, child, whatever. It doesn't get to stay private, and it's right and good that a third party -- such as the state -- overrides any kind of intra-familial exoneration.

I think self righteous people are as pathetic as women beaters, so no, it is not a compliment. They disgust me the same.

How is someone who wants a severe penalty (more than 2 games) for beating a woman being self righteous?

 

[Jerry Curl]

When you saw him dragging her body out of the elevator, what did you think happen? Guess we can call you uneducated people if you thought what you saw on the video wasnt what happened.

False Start thinks people are stupid for watching the video and not knowing beforehand exactly what happened without seeing it.

That includes NFL players, NFL coaches, NFL fans everywhere, newscasters, Ravens fans who formerly supported Rice and abandoned him after seeing the video, and most NFL reporters who are usually NFL suckups.

They're all stupid according to False Smart.

And he is right about that. You really have to be pretty dense to not understand what happens when you get punched by a pro athlete.

I think you have to be pretty dense to not understand that seeing a man punch a woman is different than hearing about it.

I am on board with the people who are shocked at the reaction. If we did not know what happened on the elevator, I would see your point. But it was pretty well known that Rice decked his then fiance and knocked her out. Seeing it or not does not change the fact that she was knocked out cold and had to be dragged from the elevator at the casino. If this release and suspension happened once the news broke that Rice hit his fiance I do not think their would be anyone making a case in defense of the situation. I am not saying defending a person who hits a woman I dont think anyone agrees with that, I do not want that confused. I see on this site, people hang on to every word looking for something to attack, I do not want that. I for one did not need to see the video a million times on ESPN to know how bad a punch from an All-Pro RB would be. I wont get into calling people names, its not my style, but I will say anyone who cant have a debate without getting worked up does not deserve to discuss issues like this.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

kind of ironic that all the busybodies whiteknighting her are the ones ruining mrs rice's life.

 

[SengerCJ]

I haven't commented on or read any of the Ray Rice threads but what I don't understand is how much of a difference this video makes? We knew this is what happened in the elevator, how does this video elevate the suspension from 2 games to indefinite? Or did the NFL feel this video being released was an opening to fix their mistake.

 

[Fly]

How has Goodell destroyed Ray Rice's career here?

He hasn't. Ray Rice has. By punching his fiance, knocking her out, lying to his team and league about it, lying to his teammates about it, and hiding behind the woman he punched every chance he got. The responsibility is all on Rice.

Some furniture moving company will hire him eventually. Or mall security company.

Why does another man, punching his wife bother you so much? Its wrong, no one is saying it is, but why is it so important that this man suffers from his own problems that do not effect you none? Why do you find it important to make his life more miserable because you do not agree with what he does?

Did he punch your wife, did he punch a woman in your family? No he didnt. I dont understand why so many care as if he attacked their family.

I find it odd people want others to suffer instead of get them help.

I don't think it's about people wanting Ray Rice to suffer. At least it's not for me. What bothers me so much about it is situations like these could be used to positively impact society and possibly influence other people's lives. There was an opportunity here to take a ferocious stand against domestic violence (sorry to be a little cliche), to set an example that regardless of social status this is a behavior that can't be tolerated. The NFL and Ray Rice failed miserably at setting that example. (Yes, I realize neither the NFL nor Rice specifically asked to be held as examples. But that's the current landscape.)

 

[T with T]

I thought the suspension was 6 games for a first offense? If he is suspended for the entire year, this sets the precedent that every player after him that is arrested for domestic violence would need to serve the same offense (Ray Rice being a first time offender).

What he did was horrible, and he deserves to be suspended...however, under league rules this should be 2 games or at the most 6 games, since this was his first offense. Just because his domestic violence was caught on camera, means he is likely done for the year due to all the media outrage. Most of the domestic violence you DON'T see, is just as bad or even worse behind closed doors, and players only are getting 6 games.

Charging players different lengths of penalties for the same offense is a slippery slope...

Exactly that's what the radio on sportstalk was talking about... He has a hefty lawsuit if the NFL thinks they can just ban the guy after their clause states 2 or 6 games.. Commissioner Goodell is a joke and a creep worst then the players in this NFL.. I don't condone knockin a h& out but cmon man banned for life gimme a break he will be back by next year at latest imo. Lawsuits work ..........

 

[massraider]

I am on board with the people who are shocked at the reaction. If we did not know what happened on the elevator, I would see your point. But it was pretty well known that Rice decked his then fiance and knocked her out. Seeing it or not does not change the fact that she was knocked out cold and had to be dragged from the elevator at the casino. If this release and suspension happened once the news broke that Rice hit his fiance I do not think their would be anyone making a case in defense of the situation. I am not saying defending a person who hits a woman I dont think anyone agrees with that, I do not want that confused. I see on this site, people hang on to every word looking for something to attack, I do not want that. I for one did not need to see the video a million times on ESPN to know how bad a punch from an All-Pro RB would be. I wont get into calling people names, its not my style, but I will say anyone who cant have a debate without getting worked up does not deserve to discuss issues like this.

Yeah, but see, we didn't know exactly what happened on the elevator, and there were plenty of people, some of them posters here, willing to imagine scenarios where Ray Rice might not be the kind of guy to drop his girl with a left hook, watch her head bounce off a railing, and then nudge her lifeless body with his foot in an annoyed manner when she didn't move.

"Maybe she was drugged up!! Maybe she attacked him!! We need to wait until the facts are in!!"

You didn't need to see the tape, well, that's great. But it didn't sink in for a lot of people, I would say MOST people. Reading about what 'may' have happenede leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

Greg Hardy was in trouble for domestic violence as well. Here's the account from the alleged victim:

In the protective order request, the woman said Hardy picked her up and threw her into the tiled tub area of a bathroom. He then dragged her into the bedroom, choked her, picked her up again and "threw [her] onto a couch covered in assault rifles and/or shotguns."

"Hardy bragged that all of those assault rifles were loaded," the motion stated.

She said that Hardy threatened to shoot her if she went to the media or reported the assault to anyone.

These details have been available for months. Hardy was found guilty of two counts. If somehow a video emerged of Hardy choking this woman, and throwing her onto a futon covered in guns, do you think there might be a reaction more impassioned than has already happened?

 

[squistion]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

Yes, it is hilarious that people want to talk how appalled they are over Rice knocking his fiancé unconscious which could have resulted in killing her, paralysis or permanent brain damage when instead they could be talking about really important stuff, like the impact on their fantasy team.

 

[T with T]

I haven't commented on or read any of the Ray Rice threads but what I don't understand is how much of a difference this video makes? We knew this is what happened in the elevator, how does this video elevate the suspension from 2 games to indefinite? Or did the NFL feel this video being released was an opening to fix their mistake.

I heard a good analogy on the radio on this topic. That's like if the NFL suspended a guy 2 games for a DWI but then when the police car footage goes public and he is stumbling falling down drunk, then they increase it to Indefinate... Definately If I was Rice I would be Going for some kind of lawsuit, this is just plain ridiculous this happened in APRIL... THE PUNISHMENT was already handed out... that's like if you went to court and they fined you 50 dollars and while you were walking out you dropped a wad of 100 dollar bills so the judge says your fine is 100k LOL this is ludacris. The NFL as a whole and overseer is horrible and pathetic, dropped the ball in every state of the word and is completely to be held responsible for their stupidity.

 

[Fly]

You would think Ray Rice killed someone if you read these threads or watch the media.

This is going to sound snarky, but I don't mean it to be.

Since we've been throwing around hypotheticals in this thread... If Jenay ended up dead because of a Ray Rice punch would your opinion of this situation change?

 

[T with T]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

Yes, it is hilarious that people want to talk how appalled they are over Rice knocking his fiancé unconscious which could have resulted in killing her, paralysis or permanent brain damage when instead they could be talking about really important stuff, like the impact on their fantasy team.

I hear your point here but from a human standpoint how can you go over your own rules after a ruling was already laid out just because a TMZ clip came out after gimme a break the NFL should be ashamed of how this was handled... TOTALLY UNPROFESSIONAL, childlike imo.

 

[Doug B]

I haven't commented on or read any of the Ray Rice threads but what I don't understand is how much of a difference this video makes? We knew this is what happened in the elevator, how does this video elevate the suspension from 2 games to indefinite? Or did the NFL feel this video being released was an opening to fix their mistake.

See post #806 above.

 

[massraider]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

Yes, it is hilarious that people want to talk how appalled they are over Rice knocking his fiancé unconscious which could have resulted in killing her, paralysis or permanent brain damage when instead they could be talking about really important stuff, like the impact on their fantasy team.

I hear your point here but from a human standpoint how can you go over your own rules after a ruling was already laid out just because a TMZ clip came out after gimme a break the NFL should be ashamed of how this was handled... TOTALLY UNPROFESSIONAL, childlike imo.

They completely caved, and bent to the wishes of their fans. Which they should have.

 

[Kilgore]

You would think Ray Rice killed someone if you read these threads or watch the media.

Yeah. REALLY, Guys - It's not like he's Ray LEWIS, or something!

 

[Doug B]

Exactly that's what the radio on sportstalk was talking about... He has a hefty lawsuit if the NFL thinks they can just ban the guy after their clause states 2 or 6 games..

With Bountygate, there was no clause to appeal to at all. Gregg Williams, Sean Payton, and Joe Vitt all received penalties based on Goodell's absolute discretion.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

When you saw him dragging her body out of the elevator, what did you think happen? Guess we can call you uneducated people if you thought what you saw on the video wasnt what happened.

False Start thinks people are stupid for watching the video and not knowing beforehand exactly what happened without seeing it.

That includes NFL players, NFL coaches, NFL fans everywhere, newscasters, Ravens fans who formerly supported Rice and abandoned him after seeing the video, and most NFL reporters who are usually NFL suckups.

They're all stupid according to False Smart.

And he is right about that. You really have to be pretty dense to not understand what happens when you get punched by a pro athlete.

Or have never been in a fight, seen one, watched a Facebook video of one, a twitter one. a boxing match an MMA match etc.

If that video changed your opinion that drastically it seems odd to me. I don't want it to come off as mean at all but I'd like to think a majority of the people on this board have seen someone, on video, get knocked out before. That first video she looked dead. I have no clue what you could have imagined happened to her in that elevator.

If you hear that Mike Tyson knocked a chick out what are you imagining?

 

[False Start]

When you saw him dragging her body out of the elevator, what did you think happen? Guess we can call you uneducated people if you thought what you saw on the video wasnt what happened.

False Start thinks people are stupid for watching the video and not knowing beforehand exactly what happened without seeing it.

That includes NFL players, NFL coaches, NFL fans everywhere, newscasters, Ravens fans who formerly supported Rice and abandoned him after seeing the video, and most NFL reporters who are usually NFL suckups.

They're all stupid according to False Smart.

And he is right about that. You really have to be pretty dense to not understand what happens when you get punched by a pro athlete.

Or have never been in a fight, seen one, watched a Facebook video of one, a twitter one. a boxing match an MMA match etc.

If that video changed your opinion that drastically you live under a rock. I don't want it to come off as mean at all but I'd like to think a majority of the people on this board have seen someone, on video, get knocked out before. That first video she looked dead. I have no clue what you could have imagined happened to her in that elevator.

If you hear that Mike Tyson knocked a chick out what are you imagining?

She is sitting in a chair rubbing her cheek saying to Mike, "You hit like a #####"

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I haven't commented on or read any of the Ray Rice threads but what I don't understand is how much of a difference this video makes? We knew this is what happened in the elevator, how does this video elevate the suspension from 2 games to indefinite? Or did the NFL feel this video being released was an opening to fix their mistake.

I think a lot of people were willing to give some benefit of the doubt that it wasn't so bad...that maybe it was a domestic despute, maybe she got violent first, maybe he fought back but a little too hard, maybe she was drunk or stumbled adding to what happened, or whatever. Not that it would have made it right but it might have made it seem more like some mistake in the heat of the moment that went wrong. Without seeing it, who knows. Even after I saw it the first time I still had that in mind and had to watch it a second time before realizing how bad it was. Hearing about something and seeing something makes a huge difference.

What i see is a couple who have a history of this...hes too casual about it and she is still with him...argue...fight ...hit ...rinse and repeat...i feel nothing towards either one of them or about what happened...couples like this deserve each other

 

[fourd]

I thought the suspension was 6 games for a first offense? If he is suspended for the entire year, this sets the precedent that every player after him that is arrested for domestic violence would need to serve the same offense (Ray Rice being a first time offender).

What he did was horrible, and he deserves to be suspended...however, under league rules this should be 2 games or at the most 6 games, since this was his first offense. Just because his domestic violence was caught on camera, means he is likely done for the year due to all the media outrage. Most of the domestic violence you DON'T see, is just as bad or even worse behind closed doors, and players only are getting 6 games.

Charging players different lengths of penalties for the same offense is a slippery slope...

Exactly that's what the radio on sportstalk was talking about... He has a hefty lawsuit if the NFL thinks they can just ban the guy after their clause states 2 or 6 games.. Commissioner Goodell is a joke and a creep worst then the players in this NFL.. I don't condone knockin a h& out but cmon man banned for life gimme a break he will be back by next year at latest imo. Lawsuits work ..........

Where was he given a lifetime ban? He was suspended indefinitely. I looked it up, that doesn't mean forever, it means we don't know how long it will be. The outrage by those who think Rice is getting a raw deal is a little premature. Unless you think the Ravens didn't have the right to terminate his contract.

 

[False Start]

You would think Ray Rice killed someone if you read these threads or watch the media.

This is going to sound snarky, but I don't mean it to be.

Since we've been throwing around hypotheticals in this thread... If Jenay ended up dead because of a Ray Rice punch would your opinion of this situation change?

Without question it would, but then we would be talking murder and manslaughter, not assault. But that's the point, you have to look at this situation as a whole and that is not what happened, this will anger some but its not as simple as man punching woman. Those without the mental capacity to understand that will respond with the typical "A Man should never hit a woman regardless."

I am not for beating women, but can see situations where someone would do it and be right in doing so.

But by putting a blanket on it you cant talk about the situation rationally because women are human beings with the capacity to hurt and kill a man just the same as a man can to a woman. What if she had a gun or a knife? Then I'm sure rationally we can say its OK to do what you have to. I do not have all the facts on the Ray Rice case, as its a personal family matter. I think Ray is scum from the facts that we have, but if she hypothetically slept with his friend in his bed on his birthday and got an STD that she gave him and told him their child aint his while spitting in his face." Then yes, she is lucky to just be punched. But I'm not fake. I have never hit a woman nor do I plan on it, because my woman is a good woman and mother and do not surround my slef with bad people where I would be put in unsavory situations. But I have even said to my woman, if a scenario like that happens, run for the border. The reason I speak in hypothetical is because their are always situations that others will not handle the way you want them to under your moral compass. To put a blanket on it shows you are out of touch with reality and are living in some moral coded world that just doesnt exist. Sorry, but I clearly think differently, I must be from another planet or be a gnome.

I'm vile, I'm disgusting, I'm a POS. I get it and am over it.

I can make an argument that if you allow a woman to escape from sleeping with your best friend in your bed on your birthday and catching an STD that she gave you and telling you the kid aint yours while spitting on you in the process" get away with a "get out of my house" as BS.

Hate me all you want, but if you have not caught on, the opinions of people on a message board bother me none.

 

[fourd]

You would think Ray Rice killed someone if you read these threads or watch the media.

This is going to sound snarky, but I don't mean it to be.

Since we've been throwing around hypotheticals in this thread... If Jenay ended up dead because of a Ray Rice punch would your opinion of this situation change?

Without question it would, but then we would be talking murder and manslaughter, not assault. But that's the point, you have to look at this situation as a whole and that is not what happened, this will anger some but its not as simple as man punching woman. Those without the mental capacity to understand that will respond with the typical "A Man should never hit a woman regardless."

I am not for beating women, but can see situations where someone would do it and be right in doing so.

But by putting a blanket on it you cant talk about the situation rationally because women are human beings with the capacity to hurt and kill a man just the same as a man can to a woman. What if she had a gun or a knife? Then I'm sure rationally we can say its OK to do what you have to. I do not have all the facts on the Ray Rice case, as its a personal family matter. I think Ray is scum from the facts that we have, but if she hypothetically slept with his friend in his bed on his birthday and got an STD that she gave him and told him their child aint his while spitting in his face." Then yes, she is lucky to just be punched. But I'm not fake. I have never hit a woman nor do I plan on it, because my woman is a good woman and mother and do not surround my slef with bad people where I would be put in unsavory situations. But I have even said to my woman, if a scenario like that happens, run for the border. The reason I speak in hypothetical is because their are always situations that others will not handle the way you want them to under your moral compass. To put a blanket on it shows you are out of touch with reality and are living in some moral coded world that just doesnt exist. Sorry, but I clearly think differently, I must be from another planet or be a gnome.

I'm vile, I'm disgusting, I'm a POS. I get it and am over it.

I can make an argument that if you allow a woman to escape from sleeping with your best friend in your bed on your birthday and catching an STD that she gave you and telling you the kid aint yours while spitting on you in the process" get away with a "get out of my house" as BS.

Hate me all you want, but if you have not caught on, the opinions of people on a message board bother me none.

First bolded - WOW

Second bolded - your posts here would say otherwise.

 

[3C's]

For the record, its funny people here are talking about the woman beating and the moral aspect of it and not the football repercussions on a football site. In fact if you talk about how its wrong the league suspended him twice on a football site you support woman beating. lmfao.

If I wanted info about the domestic violence aspect on my escape from life into a fantasy football message board, I would go to Better Homes and Gardens or some stuff.

the sooner the better

 

[Gustavo Fring]

I thought the suspension was 6 games for a first offense? If he is suspended for the entire year, this sets the precedent that every player after him that is arrested for domestic violence would need to serve the same offense (Ray Rice being a first time offender).

What he did was horrible, and he deserves to be suspended...however, under league rules this should be 2 games or at the most 6 games, since this was his first offense. Just because his domestic violence was caught on camera, means he is likely done for the year due to all the media outrage. Most of the domestic violence you DON'T see, is just as bad or even worse behind closed doors, and players only are getting 6 games.

Charging players different lengths of penalties for the same offense is a slippery slope...

Exactly that's what the radio on sportstalk was talking about... He has a hefty lawsuit if the NFL thinks they can just ban the guy after their clause states 2 or 6 games.. Commissioner Goodell is a joke and a creep worst then the players in this NFL.. I don't condone knockin a h& out but cmon man banned for life gimme a break he will be back by next year at latest imo. Lawsuits work ..........

Where was he given a lifetime ban? He was suspended indefinitely. I looked it up, that doesn't mean forever, it means we don't know how long it will be. The outrage by those who think Rice is getting a raw deal is a little premature. Unless you think the Ravens didn't have the right to terminate his contract.

Yeah, he was not banned for life, just indefinitely (most likely the year). My point is not about Rice as much as the NFL rules. If you make a new set of rules, and then go against the rules immediately, it sets a bad precedent. Ray Rice was suspended for 2 games originally, now he has been suspended indefinitely, when it should have been 6 games only.

The Ravens can still terminate the contract if they want, as I can see it reflecting poorly on their organization if they do nothing. However, he should be allowed to remain in the NFL (under new/current rules) and have the chance at another shot if another NFL teams wants to take the chance on him (and deal with PR issue that would most likely ensue).

 

[Godsbrother]

I thought the suspension was 6 games for a first offense? If he is suspended for the entire year, this sets the precedent that every player after him that is arrested for domestic violence would need to serve the same offense (Ray Rice being a first time offender).

What he did was horrible, and he deserves to be suspended...however, under league rules this should be 2 games or at the most 6 games, since this was his first offense. Just because his domestic violence was caught on camera, means he is likely done for the year due to all the media outrage. Most of the domestic violence you DON'T see, is just as bad or even worse behind closed doors, and players only are getting 6 games.

Charging players different lengths of penalties for the same offense is a slippery slope...

Exactly that's what the radio on sportstalk was talking about... He has a hefty lawsuit if the NFL thinks they can just ban the guy after their clause states 2 or 6 games.. Commissioner Goodell is a joke and a creep worst then the players in this NFL.. I don't condone knockin a h& out but cmon man banned for life gimme a break he will be back by next year at latest imo. Lawsuits work ..........

Where was he given a lifetime ban? He was suspended indefinitely. I looked it up, that doesn't mean forever, it means we don't know how long it will be. The outrage by those who think Rice is getting a raw deal is a little premature. Unless you think the Ravens didn't have the right to terminate his contract.

Yeah, he was not banned for life, just indefinitely (most likely the year). My point is not about Rice as much as the NFL rules. If you make a new set of rules, and then go against the rules immediately, it sets a bad precedent. Ray Rice was suspended for 2 games originally, now he has been suspended indefinitely, when it should have been 6 games only.

The Ravens can still terminate the contract if they want, as I can see it reflecting poorly on their organization if they do nothing. However, he should be allowed to remain in the NFL (under new/current rules) and have the chance at another shot if another NFL teams wants to take the chance on him (and deal with PR issue that would most likely ensue).

I agree with this. I think Rice is despicable but why wasn't he given the 6 game suspension? Goodell is a putz that doesn't have any kind of logic or consistency when he doles out punishments.

 

[Doug B]

I agree with this. I think Rice is despicable but why wasn't he given the 6 game suspension?

When it gets sorted out, the league is likely to say that the indefinite suspension was not for the specific incident in the elevator, but for Rice making false statements to league investigators. There is already precedent for this -- Gregg Williams being the most prominent.

Gregg Williams' "indefinite" suspension ended up being for about one calendar year. Ray Rice, as an RB in his late 20s, is obvioualy hurt more than Williams by missing a year.

 

[dickey moe]

First offense = 6 games

UNLESS IT'S CAUGHT ON VIDEO

The NFL has been a model of consistency here.

 

[dparker713]

First off, it's not undue suffering. It's not something happening to him because of mere fate. It's punishment for s specific breach, a felony. Something he directly made happen.

Anyway, I think you are making a false dichotomy. It's not deciding between capricious punishment and getting a troubled person help. Rice has to accept both. Avoiding punishment and going straight to the help means that Rice would never have to accept responsibility for his action. He wouldn't have to accept that his action had an undesirable consequence the way you set it up. Help is not a substitute for punishment.

The Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office would disagree with you.

 

[Abrantes]

I wasn't aware that War Machine posted on FBG.

 

[Doug B]

The Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office would disagree with you.

That's great -- the sentiment is returned.

 

[dparker713]

The Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office would disagree with you.

That's great -- the sentiment is returned.

So you're of the opinion that all first time assaults should warrant felony jail time? Hope you're willing to let them build a prison next to your house.

The criminal justice system isn't only in place to punish. That is why the state, and not the victims, determine the consequences of breaking the law. The fact that this particular assault was filmed and was perpetrated by a public figure shouldn't override all of the considerations that go into the criminal code

 

[Limp Ditka]

I agree with this. I think Rice is despicable but why wasn't he given the 6 game suspension?

When it gets sorted out, the league is likely to say that the indefinite suspension was not for the specific incident in the elevator, but for Rice making false statements to league investigators. There is already precedent for this -- Gregg Williams being the most prominent.

Gregg Williams' "indefinite" suspension ended up being for about one calendar year. Ray Rice, as an RB in his late 20s, is obvioualy hurt more than Williams by missing a year.

Amazing how oblivious people are to this.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Hate me all you want, but if you have not caught on, the opinions of people on a message board bother me none.

Yet all you do is insult and demean the masses of this site.

Odd behavior

 

[fatness]

Yeah, but see, we didn't know exactly what happened on the elevator, and there were plenty of people, some of them posters here, willing to imagine scenarios where Ray Rice might not be the kind of guy to drop his girl with a left hook, watch her head bounce off a railing, and then nudge her lifeless body with his foot in an annoyed manner when she didn't move.

"Maybe she was drugged up!! Maybe she attacked him!! We need to wait until the facts are in!!"

You didn't need to see the tape, well, that's great. But it didn't sink in for a lot of people, I would say MOST people. Reading about what 'may' have happenede leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

The only reason I can see for the "why is anyone so stupid that they're surprised?" posts is because the people saying that don't want the rest of us talking about the video.

 

[Doug B]

So you're of the opinion that all first time assaults should warrant felony jail time?

Nope -- but I don't throw the Ray Rice case into the same category as bar fights, etc. The facts specific to the Ray Rice case lead me to believe that Ray Rive should do some jail time, at least. But, what I believe has no bearing, so whatever.

 

[Grateful Parrot]

Hitting the woman was extremely bad, but what I saw was worse is that he had no remorse or respect. I never had hit my wife, but if I did and knocked her unconscious, I'd be wanted to check for a pulse or call 911 or something. Just dragging her out of the elevator and saying "oh, lets not forget the shoe" is mind blowing. Shows you have no care for her life.

 

[Vector]

Can't we all just get along ?

 

[jurb26]

Hitting the woman was extremely bad, but what I saw was worse is that he had no remorse or respect. I never had hit my wife, but if I did and knocked her unconscious, I'd be wanted to check for a pulse or call 911 or something. Just dragging her out of the elevator and saying "oh, lets not forget the shoe" is mind blowing. Shows you have no care for her life.

People do strange things when they know they are in massive trouble and the shock of reality sets in. I think that is what happened to Rice, not that it makes it excusable. He went into panic mode because he knew there was no getting out of it.

 

[Da Gildz]

The startling thing about that video, outside of the actual punch, was how calm he was afterwards. Just watching that, u have to think this has happened before, in fact I'd be pretty stunned if it hasn't. He was so matter of fact/nonchalant, chilling actually.