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I had assumed that the NFL saw the video, and that the video evidence of what happened in the elevator is what justified the lighter, two-game suspension. Turns out that was not the case.IvanKaramazov said:Sebowski said:
I don't understanding the hand-wringing. This video is basically what I expected to see. Of course the league and/or team should punish Rice more harshly, but that was true before the video surfaced.
Seems more like they tried to cover it up and once it got out they had no choice, but yeah.
Gary, on this matter, I have to be forthright: I don't really care about opposing arguments. I believe what I believe, and that's that.
NFL teams need to start applying the perma-ban earlier and more often. Clean sports up for a change.
Even with a tape, I imagine that prosecutors are reluctant to proceed when the victim won't cooperate.
Ray Rice would be waiting to come back in a week and a half
Rice probably did receive special treatment given his celebrity status, but that doesn't mean that every man committing a similar act would spend years in jail with all other circumstances (other than celebrity) being the same.
I'm not an attorney, but with a tape I don't think they even need the victim to cooperate.
This definitely varies state by state ... perhaps even prosecutor to prosecutor. What exactly did they need the victim for here? The state can press charges all by itself. The evidence is as close to cut-and-dried as possible ... what's left?
at the ff guys who drafted rice this year.
I didn't mean like 20 years or something. Was thinking something like 2-5 years.
Yea thank God there are people out there not sucking on the NFL teet who are actually trying to publicize this stuff instead of shuffling it off and hiding it like that putz Peter King.Think about it, if not for TMZ
Nope.
The state did press charges. They got an indictment for aggravated assault. They then allowed him to reach a plea bargain. It's easy to say that anything Janay Rice might say wouldn't matter in the context of the tape, but we've never tried these cases before a jury. The worry isn't just that she won't testify. It's that she'd testify in Ray's favor.
It's a fair indictment of our society, but it's the way things are. We are willing to tolerate all sorts of crimes and bad behavior, particularly by those in the public eye, so long as it's private or can't be proven. But if video or tape recordings (think Donald Sterling) comes out, everyone rushes to condemn, ostracize, and punish. It IS ironic, even hypocritical, but in no way does that mean I think we should forgive Rice's behavior.
Then the legal system works incorrectly in these kinds of cases, IMHO. I guess it is what it is, though.
Word is that he thought Hall was better than Oates and she disagreed vehemently.
She may have called him the N word.
Not sure I agree with you there. First, I honestly don't see any difference between 2007 and 2014 in terms of the media. 1997, and then maybe you've got something. Second, Vick went to jail. That's a key element. Society responds and is usually willing to forgive after proper punishment and contrition- the latter being extremely important in terms of the public response. Finally, Vick's crimes were against dogs, and ultimately that's not given the same gravitas as crimes against humans.
Why is this even relevant? I challenge you to come up with anything she could have said that would justify his actions. Make up anything you want.
ORLY?
I don't think hitting a fiance/spouse should be legally any different from hitting a stranger. I believe there should be a "common sense override" in the law that allows the court to strike the victim's testimony when overwhelming evidence (e.g. videotape) is available,.
Rice is on the downside of his career. He probably only had a year or two left anyway. Its easy to pass on him.
Please don't give in to the fishing, which can be funny in certain circumstances but not in this thread.
Thinking more social media and such than traditional media. I should've been clearer. You other points make sense.
Because any of us could've known this would happen? It was a pretty low-risk high-reward gamble to take in a lot of leagues.
Agreed, just saying that it had to get down to the slimeballs at TMZ. Where was the rest of the Mainstream Media?Yea thank God there are people out there not sucking on the NFL teet who are actually trying to publicize this stuff instead of shuffling it off and hiding it like that putz Peter King.Think about it, if not for TMZ
Reminds me of the Tosh bit "she just drowned your 2 kids and is about to dunk the 3rd....my point is, there's a gray area."
Goodell has reacted? Hadn't seen any new news from the NFL offices.
https://twitter.com/gregaiello/status/509048887617654785
Who's going to challenge it? Rice's lawyers? Suppose they win, then what? Nobody's going to sign him anyhow.
And I think the considerations should be swept aside when the prosecutors have tape.
