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Please explain why not.
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Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (1 Viewer)
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Johnny Bing
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I guess the thing that surprises me is the heavy hammer by both the Ravens and NFL after the video came out. Not condoning it in any way, but the NFL has had domestic violence situations since its existence, now all of a sudden a player is cut and suspended indefinitely almost like this is the first time it has happened. Again, never put hands on women, but odd that now it is in the public eye the NFL wants to take a stand on this.
I'll be curious to see if the other teams cut their players for domestic violence. Or how they justify it in the press conference.
Gary Coal Man
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I don't think it will become commonplace for teams to cut players based on domestic abuse. I think Rice fell prey to a perfect storm: his crime was caught on camera and there was already humongous backlash over Rice receiving such a short suspension. Neither is likely to happen in the future. Sucks for Rice, but that's the breaks, little man.
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pats3in4
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Once you see that elevator video, it cannot be unseen.
Ray is never going to live that down. He may pay his penance to his wife and to society and he may be granted forgiveness by those whose forgiveness matters to him, but that video is his scarlet letter. It will refresh the faded memories at the push of a website button for all time, including the memories of those who may think of signing him years from now if his ban is lifted.
Ray is never going to live that down. He may pay his penance to his wife and to society and he may be granted forgiveness by those whose forgiveness matters to him, but that video is his scarlet letter. It will refresh the faded memories at the push of a website button for all time, including the memories of those who may think of signing him years from now if his ban is lifted.
Why?
I don't understand this reaction or the reaction of the NFL and Ravens. WTF DID THEY THINK HAPPENED IN THERE?!?!?!?!? He dragged her out of there unconscious. Did they really need to see it to understand it was a brutally violent encounter?
Gary Coal Man
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The NFL and Ravens are reacting to the public reaction to the video. Both the NFL and the Ravens knew it was a brutally violent encounter for her to be knocked the F out. Had TMZ never published the video and had the public never reacted viscerally to seeing the image, both the Ravens and the NFL would have been perfectly content with a two game suspension knowing full well that the knockout blow was similar to what the public is just now seeing. Rice's fate today has little to do with either the Ravens or the NFL discovering new information, and almost everything to do with public reaction.
Bucky86
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In my opinion when somebody makes it out to be a reflexive self-defense strike, maybe the way you'd push someone away with an open palm, and then you see that it was an actual windup haymaker. Then YES, I am a little surprised at how much worse it really was. Her being unconscious is almost irrelevant in my opinion. Some people can get knocked out with a slap to the face. The fact he threw a closed fist punch is what makes this that much worse. He could've killed her with a punch like that. Especially since she had no defensive posture, like her hands up, to absorb the blow.
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St. Louis Bob
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Zow
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
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St. Louis Bob
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It was sarcasm to Belljr's post about how terrible it was he lost his job and how there isn't anything that could possibly NOT justify him losing his job IMO except to Belljr apparently there is.krista4 said:
Man, I thought you guys knew me.
timschochet
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i got it Bob.
sublimeone
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Exactly. This is now a PR situation. He should have been cut when the first video surfaced but the second video left them no choice.
St. Louis Bob
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Officer Pete Malloy
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Hey, talk ####...get hit.
krista4
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I got it, which is why I had deleted my post before this was posted.
But you must have been posting at the same time, so there it is for all eternity. 
Tom Servo
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sublimeone
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Assuming this wasn't the first time Ray Ray gave her beatdown... why would she come at him like that? Didn't she know what the outcome would be? Is this what Stephen A. Smith was talking about?
SHIZNITTTT
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Playing devils advocate if Rice doesn't play for the NFL he wouldn't lose his job. If Rice was at say Directv and this same even happened he is still employed. Why should NFL players be held to a higher standard than the public?
CletiusMaximus
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I watched it this morning and it seemed to me the worst part was probably the way she fell over, bashing her head on the metal hand railing in the elevator. I didn't see the fist open or closed, nor would I call it a "windup haymaker." I don't plan on watching it again to confirm, but that was my impression based on the one and only time I saw the video.
SHIZNITTTT
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So since Rice isn't throwing a "haymaker" and may have had an open hand ... Rice was showing restraint?
Officer Pete Malloy
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Billy Bats
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Ahhh Ray Lewis preaching it! Go Ray Ray!!
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timschochet
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Not able to watch. What is Lewis saying?
Gary Coal Man
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Fair enough. My impression is that Rice didn't show demonstrable body language which indicated, "Oh my God! What the F did I just do?" His body language seemed like he was OK with the outcome (whether it was open hand or closed hand), and he just wanted to get her back to the room with the least amount of people noticing.
Billy Bats
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I dunno, blah blah, blah, and blah for the most part. He was very somber, saying Rice is in a very low place(he should be he said), feels like the whole world is coming after him(rightfully so he said) and wants to help him out of it. Then rambled on about players taking care of each other.
sublimeone
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A no-name repair man at direct tv is not the face of the franchise like Ray Rice is for the Ravens. There are larger implications, advertisers, franchise image etc...
urbanhack
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timschochet
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is that Ray Lewis' idea, or yours?
Fennis
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GoBirds
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Exactly. They aren't taking a stand because it's wrong. They are doing it because mainstream media caught on.
GoBirds
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McGarnicle
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My take.
What Rice did was despicable.
I think in many cases, people become prone to violence because they were raised in violent homes or neighborhoods, and they are conditioned to believe violence is a way to resolve conflict.
I don't see that issue being any different from addiction, or anxiety or depression -- with treatment, one can be rehabilitated.
Therefore I don't necessarily condemn Rice any more than I would a person with a drug problem, provided they are remorseful and seek treatment.
In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable. Neither violent act justifies the other.
Both of them need treatment to learn how to resolve conflict without hitting each other. If Rice is in treatment and is trying to be a better husband, then she needs to be part of that process and be a better wife too. We can all do better. We learn and grow until the day we die IMO. Some people have farther to travel than others.
I rewatched the press conference with Rice and his wife today. He seemed remorseful and got emotional. I don't know how genuine he was, or if he's in treatment. I don't pretend to know the intimate details of these peoples' lives. Maybe it was all for show, I honestly can't say one way or the other.
IMO, the NFL's policy should include a treatment component. This is a complex issue and there is no one-size-fits-all solution.
I'm almost as sickened by all the condemnation of Rice as I am of that video. For all we know, he could have learned from the experience, could be in treatment, and their marriage could be headed toward normalcy. I know he was an active role model in the community before this, and now he's just a pile of crap in the eyes of many. We are complex beings and none of us are 100% good or 100% bad.
The above is in no way excusing Rice's behavior, or blaming his wife, nor a case for letting him off scot free. I'm simply pointing out that the media and social media have completely torn down this human being based on the video, but I've seen nothing reported of what he's done since then to rehabilitate himself.
If people aren't capable of redemption, then the punishment for every crime should be the death penalty. If we can agree it's possible for Rice to rehabilitate himself through treatment, then there should be a path to reinstatement. In the meantime, it would be best if everyone would stop with the sanctimonious judgments.
What Rice did was despicable.
I think in many cases, people become prone to violence because they were raised in violent homes or neighborhoods, and they are conditioned to believe violence is a way to resolve conflict.
I don't see that issue being any different from addiction, or anxiety or depression -- with treatment, one can be rehabilitated.
Therefore I don't necessarily condemn Rice any more than I would a person with a drug problem, provided they are remorseful and seek treatment.
In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable. Neither violent act justifies the other.
Both of them need treatment to learn how to resolve conflict without hitting each other. If Rice is in treatment and is trying to be a better husband, then she needs to be part of that process and be a better wife too. We can all do better. We learn and grow until the day we die IMO. Some people have farther to travel than others.
I rewatched the press conference with Rice and his wife today. He seemed remorseful and got emotional. I don't know how genuine he was, or if he's in treatment. I don't pretend to know the intimate details of these peoples' lives. Maybe it was all for show, I honestly can't say one way or the other.
IMO, the NFL's policy should include a treatment component. This is a complex issue and there is no one-size-fits-all solution.
I'm almost as sickened by all the condemnation of Rice as I am of that video. For all we know, he could have learned from the experience, could be in treatment, and their marriage could be headed toward normalcy. I know he was an active role model in the community before this, and now he's just a pile of crap in the eyes of many. We are complex beings and none of us are 100% good or 100% bad.
The above is in no way excusing Rice's behavior, or blaming his wife, nor a case for letting him off scot free. I'm simply pointing out that the media and social media have completely torn down this human being based on the video, but I've seen nothing reported of what he's done since then to rehabilitate himself.
If people aren't capable of redemption, then the punishment for every crime should be the death penalty. If we can agree it's possible for Rice to rehabilitate himself through treatment, then there should be a path to reinstatement. In the meantime, it would be best if everyone would stop with the sanctimonious judgments.
St. Louis Bob
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Jules Winnfield
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How do you know? How do you know that the guy running the regional DirecTV office in Minneapolis wouldn't fire an employee if he found out he was smacking women around?
timschochet
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McGarnicle, there are lots of people who grow up in violent homes who don't choose to be violent themselves. When you wrote that you view it the same as a drug addiction, you are absolving him of personal responsibility. Nobody is addicted to hitting women.
As far as being sickened by the condemnation, I don't get that either. It's a great thing that society loudly condemns this sort of behavior. I would be horrified and contemptuous of a society that was ambiguous.
As far as being sickened by the condemnation, I don't get that either. It's a great thing that society loudly condemns this sort of behavior. I would be horrified and contemptuous of a society that was ambiguous.
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