Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (1 Viewer)

[McGarnicle]

In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable.

With all due respect, this is total BS.

No, it's a fact. These two people were hitting each other. Why is it less wrong for a female to resort to violence against a male?

 

[bigbottom]

In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable.

With all due respect, this is total BS.

What "respect" is due when someone says something stupid ?

I didn't want him to interpret my response as a personal attack, but his assertion was indeed complete BS.

 

[timschochet]

In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable.

With all due respect, this is total BS.

No, it's a fact. These two people were hitting each other. Why is it less wrong for a female to resort to violence against a male?

i like you. Please stop.

 

[bigbottom]

In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable.

With all due respect, this is total BS.

No, it's a fact. These two people were hitting each other. Why is it less wrong for a female to resort to violence against a male?

Please take us through the sequence of events and explain to me when during that sequence she was (1) violent toward Rice (2) in an equally despicable manner.

 

[Abraham]

In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable.

With all due respect, this is total BS.

No, it's a fact. These two people were hitting each other. Why is it less wrong for a female to resort to violence against a male?

Because that is how it is. Let's move on...

 

[McGarnicle]

McGarnicle, there are lots of people who grow up in violent homes who don't choose to be violent themselves. When you wrote that you view it the same as a drug addiction, you are absolving him of personal responsibility. Nobody is addicted to hitting women.

As far as being sickened by the condemnation, I don't get that either. It's a great thing that society loudly condemns this sort of behavior. I would be horrified and contemptuous of a society that was ambiguous.

You're right, and not all children of addicts become addicts themselves. And I wasn't in any way saying violence is an addiction. People become conditioned to violence through a variety of factors, and all I'm saying is they can be treated. Anger management is a real thing too. I'm fine with condemning the act but there should be some compassion for the human being, again IF he is remorseful and seeks treatment. If someone is just a violent psychopath, that's a different matter. I don't think Rice is a psychopath.

 

[belljr]

Why should he not lose his job....

First ray rice is a complete as shat and I grew up that you never hit a woman and I am not defending him at any instance but we are not allowed to make mistakes without losing everything?

 

[bigbottom]

In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable.

With all due respect, this is total BS.

No, it's a fact. These two people were hitting each other. Why is it less wrong for a female to resort to violence against a male?

Because that is how it is. Let's move on...

I reject the assertion that she was violent toward him, much less violent in an an equally despicable manner. The worst thing she did was half-heartedly swat at him after he spat in her face outside the elevator. Once in the elevator, he punched her twice.

 

[timschochet]

Why should he not lose his job....

First ray rice is a complete as shat and I grew up that you never hit a woman and I am not defending him at any instance but we are not allowed to make mistakes without losing everything?

i guarantee you I will never make the "mistake" of hitting a woman.

 

[Ned]

Why should he not lose his job....

First ray rice is a complete as shat and I grew up that you never hit a woman and I am not defending him at any instance but we are not allowed to make mistakes without losing everything?

Did they make him give all of his previous checks back?

 

[McGarnicle]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

I don't hit my wife and she doesn't hit me. If either of us hit the other, we'd have a serious problem. Obviously as a male, it would be more likely that I could inflict bodily harm, but other than that, what's the difference? If violence ever enters the equation, the relationship is dysfunctional.

 

[njherdfan]

In the video, the fiancé is violent toward Rice too, which is equally despicable.

With all due respect, this is total BS.

No, it's a fact. These two people were hitting each other. Why is it less wrong for a female to resort to violence against a male?

Because that is how it is. Let's move on...

I reject the assertion that she was violent toward him, much less violent in an an equally despicable manner. The worst thing she did was half-heartedly swat at him after he spat in her face outside the elevator. Once in the elevator, he punched her twice.

And then, seeing her unconscious, drags her out instead of calling for help or medical attention.

 

[bigbottom]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

I don't hit my wife and she doesn't hit me. If either of us hit the other, we'd have a serious problem. Obviously as a male, it would be more likely that I could inflict bodily harm, but other than that, what's the difference? If violence ever enters the equation, the relationship is dysfunctional.

Please, humor me.

No, it's a fact. These two people were hitting each other. Why is it less wrong for a female to resort to violence against a male?

Please take us through the sequence of events and explain to me when during that sequence she was (1) violent toward Rice (2) in an equally despicable manner.

 

[Ned]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

I don't hit my wife and she doesn't hit me. If either of us hit the other, we'd have a serious problem. Obviously as a male, it would be more likely that I could inflict bodily harm, but other than that, what's the difference? If violence ever enters the equation, the relationship is dysfunctional.

Man, I usually find myself agreeing with you, but think you're off base here. I hear what you're saying, but to put them on equal plane is simply wrong. May not be your intention, but that's how it's coming out.

 

[got_nugs]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

I don't hit my wife and she doesn't hit me. If either of us hit the other, we'd have a serious problem. Obviously as a male, it would be more likely that I could inflict bodily harm, but other than that, what's the difference? If violence ever enters the equation, the relationship is dysfunctional.

Man, I usually find myself agreeing with you, but think you're off base here. I hear what you're saying, but to put them on equal plane is simply wrong. May not be your intention, but that's how it's coming out.

Maybe he's got an amazon wife. nttawwt.

also +1 as a McG fan.

Pats picking up Rice next week, Forrest?

 

[McGarnicle]

Wrong choice of words on my part, obviously the force and intensity of the violent actions are not equal. But either partner being prone to violence is equally poisonous to a marriage, and both of them need treatment. Especially with kids in the house.

 

[Ned]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

I don't hit my wife and she doesn't hit me. If either of us hit the other, we'd have a serious problem. Obviously as a male, it would be more likely that I could inflict bodily harm, but other than that, what's the difference? If violence ever enters the equation, the relationship is dysfunctional.

Man, I usually find myself agreeing with you, but think you're off base here. I hear what you're saying, but to put them on equal plane is simply wrong. May not be your intention, but that's how it's coming out.

Maybe he's got an amazon wife. nttawwt.also +1 as a McG fan.

Pats picking up Rice next week, Forrest?

God no.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm honestly trying to figure out when during this altercation she was "violent." He spits in her face and she half-heartedly swats at him as she walks by. They get in the elevator, he crowds her, she raises her arm, and he punches her. She recovers and takes a step forward (doesn't swing at him or anything) and he knocks her out with a punch. I don't see anywhere in that video where she was "violent," much less in an "equally despicable" manner.

 

[njherdfan]

I'm honestly trying to figure out when during this altercation she was "violent." He spits in her face and she half-heartedly swats at him as she walks by. They get in the elevator, he crowds her, she raises her arm, and he punches her. She recovers and takes a step forward (doesn't swing at him or anything) and he knocks her out with a punch. I don't see anywhere in that video where she was "violent," much less in an "equally despicable" manner.

Maybe there's another video somewhere that will show how off base we are, and how justified Ray was in his actions.

 

[bigbottom]

Wrong choice of words on my part, obviously the force and intensity of the violent actions are not equal. But either partner being prone to violence is equally poisonous to a marriage, and both of them need treatment. Especially with kids in the house.

If I spit in a woman's face, I'm probably going to get swatted or slapped 95% of the time. Would all those women need treatement as well? As for what happened in the elevator, what did she do that makes you think she is "prone to violence"?

 

[bigbottom]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

Wrong choice of words on my part

Again, with all due respect, we weren't blinded by emotion so much as the statement you made was patently absurd because of your "wrong choice of words."

 

[McGarnicle]

I made my points, figured most of it would be unpopular but whatever. I think in general we need to do a better job rehabilitating people and showing compassion when it is warranted.

What if the NFL's policy included mandatory counseling sessions and the league employed social workers and psychologists to oversee the player's progress, and if after a predetermined period of time, there was a path to reinstatement if certain benchmarks were met. Instead, bah, you're a dirtbag, you're banned...which approach is more likely to prevent Rice's kids from repeating the cycle? If the NFL really gave a crap about this issue, they would take the more holistic approach.

 

[McGarnicle]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

Wrong choice of words on my part

Again, with all due respect, we weren't blinded by emotion so much as the statement you made was patently absurd because of your "wrong choice of words."

Okay dude, Jesus, I said it was a bad choice of words.

 

[otello]

Maybe they will refine their approach over time. For now, they made the right call, albeit late.

 

[GoBirds]

I made my points, figured most of it would be unpopular but whatever. I think in general we need to do a better job rehabilitating people and showing compassion when it is warranted.

What if the NFL's policy included mandatory counseling sessions and the league employed social workers and psychologists to oversee the player's progress, and if after a predetermined period of time, there was a path to reinstatement if certain benchmarks were met. Instead, bah, you're a dirtbag, you're banned...which approach is more likely to prevent Rice's kids from repeating the cycle? If the NFL really gave a crap about this issue, they would take the more holistic approach.

NFL doest care. It's about the $, once the media was on it they try to cover their ###.

 

[timschochet]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

Wrong choice of words on my part

Again, with all due respect, we weren't blinded by emotion so much as the statement you made was patently absurd because of your "wrong choice of words."

Okay dude, Jesus, I said it was a bad choice of words.

I've done that many times in this forum.

 

[bigbottom]

You people are so blinded by emotion that you're not reading what I'm saying.

Wrong choice of words on my part

Again, with all due respect, we weren't blinded by emotion so much as the statement you made was patently absurd because of your "wrong choice of words."

Okay dude, Jesus, I said it was a bad choice of words.

You were the one who accused everyone of being blinded by emotion when all we did was point that out to you.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Why should he not lose his job....

First ray rice is a complete as shat and I grew up that you never hit a woman and I am not defending him at any instance but we are not allowed to make mistakes without losing everything?

No one is taking away the millions he has earned. Well, until his wife smartens up and takes half his ####.I don't know about you, but I'd be canned pretty quick for domestic violence.

 

[bigbottom]

A video like that surfaces of me and I not only lose my job, I probably lose my license to practice law.

 

[McGarnicle]

Bottom line, if you wanted him banned, you got your wish. Now he has no career to fight for. It's over.

I remember reading there is a ridiculously high percentage of players who end up bankrupt and/or divorced within 5 years of retiring from the NFL. It's probably a much higher probability on both accounts in Rice's case. He'll be forgotten soon enough, and maybe his kids will grow up to be violent too. Meh, who cares, the NFL is as profitable as ever and there is no shortage of college players hoping to be drafted next year. Some of them will be thugs, but if they tarnish the league's image they'll be cast aside too and everyone will applaud Goodell for being tough.

The whole process just seems fundamentally wrong to me.

 

[bigbottom]

Bottom line, if you wanted him banned, you got your wish. Now he has no career to fight for. It's over.

I remember reading there is a ridiculously high percentage of players who end up bankrupt and/or divorced within 5 years of retiring from the NFL. It's probably a much higher probability on both accounts in Rice's case. He'll be forgotten soon enough, and maybe his kids will grow up to be violent too. Meh, who cares, the NFL is as profitable as ever and there is no shortage of college players hoping to be drafted next year. Some of them will be thugs, but if they tarnish the league's image they'll be cast aside too and everyone will applaud Goodell for being tough.

The whole process just seems fundamentally wrong to me.

Does he have to undergo counseling as part of his criminal plea deal?

 

[Apple Jack]

Bottom line, if you wanted him banned, you got your wish. Now he has no career to fight for. It's over.

I remember reading there is a ridiculously high percentage of players who end up bankrupt and/or divorced within 5 years of retiring from the NFL. It's probably a much higher probability on both accounts in Rice's case. He'll be forgotten soon enough, and maybe his kids will grow up to be violent too. Meh, who cares, the NFL is as profitable as ever and there is no shortage of college players hoping to be drafted next year. Some of them will be thugs, but if they tarnish the league's image they'll be cast aside too and everyone will applaud Goodell for being tough.

The whole process just seems fundamentally wrong to me.

Did they announce a lifetime ban?

And the NFL affords these guys a chance to make a lot of money. They're all adults. I don't see how that is anybody's fault but their own. There are people available to them who can help them negotiate the horrors of making millions.

 

[Billy Bats]

So who was Chris Mortensen referring to back in July when he wrote this:

We saw the TMZ video of what happened outside—when he was dragging her out unconscious—but inside, I'm told from those who have seen the video, it wasn't pretty. In fact, she attacks him—we don't know the reason why—and he strikes her, strikes her hard. And her head—according to the sources I've spoken to—struck the rail inside the elevator and she was unconscious.

I could've sworn it was King who wrote it, but finally finding this quote it turns out it was Mort. So who did he talk to? And where were they from? The league office, or the Ravens? Someone's definitely lying today, I bet a lot of people are.

 

[GoBirds]

So who was Chris Mortensen referring to back in July when he wrote this:

We saw the TMZ video of what happened outside—when he was dragging her out unconscious—but inside, I'm told from those who have seen the video, it wasn't pretty. In fact, she attacks him—we don't know the reason why—and he strikes her, strikes her hard. And her head—according to the sources I've spoken to—struck the rail inside the elevator and she was unconscious.

I could've sworn it was King who wrote it, but finally finding this quote it turns out it was Mort. So who did he talk to? And where were they from? The league office, or the Ravens? Someone's definitely lying today, I bet a lot of people are.

Definitely sounds like they saw the video.

 

[McGarnicle]

Bottom line, if you wanted him banned, you got your wish. Now he has no career to fight for. It's over.

I remember reading there is a ridiculously high percentage of players who end up bankrupt and/or divorced within 5 years of retiring from the NFL. It's probably a much higher probability on both accounts in Rice's case. He'll be forgotten soon enough, and maybe his kids will grow up to be violent too. Meh, who cares, the NFL is as profitable as ever and there is no shortage of college players hoping to be drafted next year. Some of them will be thugs, but if they tarnish the league's image they'll be cast aside too and everyone will applaud Goodell for being tough.

The whole process just seems fundamentally wrong to me.

Does he have to undergo counseling as part of his criminal plea deal?

He agreed to a "pretrial intervention program". Who knows how rigorous that is. Generally the criminal justice system is laughable in these cases. At least they can rightfully say they don't have nearly enough resources. The NFL has more money than some entire countries and they could easily afford to put a good program in place. They could be the model for how to address these cases. They don't have the incentive to do so.

 

[krista4]

McGarnicle, there are lots of people who grow up in violent homes who don't choose to be violent themselves. When you wrote that you view it the same as a drug addiction, you are absolving him of personal responsibility. Nobody is addicted to hitting women.

As far as being sickened by the condemnation, I don't get that either. It's a great thing that society loudly condemns this sort of behavior. I would be horrified and contemptuous of a society that was ambiguous.

You're right, and not all children of addicts become addicts themselves. And I wasn't in any way saying violence is an addiction. People become conditioned to violence through a variety of factors, and all I'm saying is they can be treated. Anger management is a real thing too.I'm fine with condemning the act but there should be some compassion for the human being, again IF he is remorseful and seeks treatment. If someone is just a violent psychopath, that's a different matter. I don't think Rice is a psychopath.

I think you've made some good points in here that have been lost due to your statements about their both being aggressive/violent and equivalence. I agree with your second paragraph here. I'm as much of an animal person as anyone and in fact spent a week volunteering at the sanctuary where many of the Vick dogs ended up, but I have never jumped on the "let's vilify Michael Vick forever" train as I hope that he and others could be rehabilitated, and I've seen a lot from him that indicates he has been.

I think the current response is correct--i.e., being cut and indefinitely suspended. Though thus far Rice has not shown an ability to take responsibility for his actions, I hope that he will and will find a way to change. If so, I wouldn't be angry if he comes back to the NFL. This comes from a person who has worked with and handled pro bono cases for battered women over the years. I can't find it in myself to be wholly unforgiving and write someone off unless, as you say, he is a psychopath or unable to be rehabilitated.

Also agree with your prior posts about people ignoring the source of the violence and not addressing the root causes. Just bringing out the pitchforks is a lot easier, I guess.

 

[Premier]

@johnbreech: Looks like TMZ is going for Roger Goodell next. Harvey Levin today, "When you wake up tomorrow, you will see what the NFL didn't do."

 

[BassNBrew]

So Hardy continues to play since there's no video even though he's been found guilty by a judge?

 

[Stinger Ray]

@johnbreech: Looks like TMZ is going for Roger Goodell next. Harvey Levin today, "When you wake up tomorrow, you will see what the NFL didn't do."

I have a feelng this will cost Goodell his job.

 

[comfortably numb]

@johnbreech: Looks like TMZ is going for Roger Goodell next. Harvey Levin today, "When you wake up tomorrow, you will see what the NFL didn't do."

The Crappening!

 

[McGarnicle]

McGarnicle, there are lots of people who grow up in violent homes who don't choose to be violent themselves. When you wrote that you view it the same as a drug addiction, you are absolving him of personal responsibility. Nobody is addicted to hitting women.

As far as being sickened by the condemnation, I don't get that either. It's a great thing that society loudly condemns this sort of behavior. I would be horrified and contemptuous of a society that was ambiguous.

You're right, and not all children of addicts become addicts themselves. And I wasn't in any way saying violence is an addiction. People become conditioned to violence through a variety of factors, and all I'm saying is they can be treated. Anger management is a real thing too.I'm fine with condemning the act but there should be some compassion for the human being, again IF he is remorseful and seeks treatment. If someone is just a violent psychopath, that's a different matter. I don't think Rice is a psychopath.

I think you've made some good points in here that have been lost due to your statements about their both being aggressive/violent and equivalence. I agree with your second paragraph here. I'm as much of an animal person as anyone and in fact spent a week volunteering at the sanctuary where many of the Vick dogs ended up, but I have never jumped on the "let's vilify Michael Vick forever" train as I hope that he and others could be rehabilitated, and I've seen a lot from him that indicates he has been.

I think the current response is correct--i.e., being cut and indefinitely suspended. Though thus far Rice has not shown an ability to take responsibility for his actions, I hope that he will and will find a way to change. If so, I wouldn't be angry if he comes back to the NFL. This comes from a person who has worked with and handled pro bono cases for battered women over the years. I can't find it in myself to be wholly unforgiving and write someone off unless, as you say, he is a psychopath or unable to be rehabilitated.

Also agree with your prior posts about people ignoring the source of the violence and not addressing the root causes. Just bringing out the pitchforks is a lot easier, I guess.

I have to admit I'm not aware of Rice either taking responsibility or not, other than the press conference where he repeatedly apologizes, gets choked up, and says he is trying to be a better man. Like I said before, I can't say if he was genuine or not. If someone isn't inclined to believe a wife beater with millions of dollars at stake, I can certainly understand that. But none of us know what's in the man's heart.I just would like to know if he's getting help or not, and is he genuinely trying to change. That's not what the media are interested in covering though, not surprisingly. And soon it will be forgotten.

 

[bigbottom]

Bottom line, if you wanted him banned, you got your wish. Now he has no career to fight for. It's over.

I remember reading there is a ridiculously high percentage of players who end up bankrupt and/or divorced within 5 years of retiring from the NFL. It's probably a much higher probability on both accounts in Rice's case. He'll be forgotten soon enough, and maybe his kids will grow up to be violent too. Meh, who cares, the NFL is as profitable as ever and there is no shortage of college players hoping to be drafted next year. Some of them will be thugs, but if they tarnish the league's image they'll be cast aside too and everyone will applaud Goodell for being tough.

The whole process just seems fundamentally wrong to me.

Does he have to undergo counseling as part of his criminal plea deal?

He agreed to a "pretrial intervention program". Who knows how rigorous that is. Generally the criminal justice system is laughable in these cases. At least they can rightfully say they don't have nearly enough resources. The NFL has more money than some entire countries and they could easily afford to put a good program in place. They could be the model for how to address these cases. They don't have the incentive to do so.

Yep, good points all. I'd like to see the NFL spend at least as much time, money and effort on the issue of domestic violence as they do with breast cancer. But I'm guessing they won't do it until it's in their financial interest to do so.

 

[krista4]

Expanding slightly on the post I made directed at McG...

I've read this thread all along but never posted because domestic violence is an issue that's been important to me since my law school days (way too long ago) when I started volunteering to assist battered spouses/partners (though much less common, men can be victims of abuse as well), continuing after I became a lawyer. The amount of wrong information, misunderstanding of abuse, etc. in this thread is substantial, and it's hard to read.

I do think, though, that just saying "This guy is an ####### who deserves to be vilified forever" doesn't help solve the problem. Yes, he did a terrible act, and I don't think the punishment now is disproportionate to the crime (it was before today). People who say the average Joe wouldn't lose his job are wrong--of course in some cases he wouldn't, but in many he would. Any of this, however, is just ignoring the problem. And those who say the problem is especially endemic to the black community are wrong. And those who say the problem is especially endemic to people who grew up poor, or who are now poor, are wrong.

Ah hell, I don't know where I'm going with this. I guess I'm just saying that I hate seeing this treated as such a black-and-white issue with no actual understanding of the root causes of these behaviors nor the best ways to address them. Ray Rice needs punishment, but he also needs some compassion and some willingness to forgive if he is willing to change. His wife needs much more than a bunch of people saying that she should get out of the relationship (though she should). Everything is so much more complex than that.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

So Hardy continues to play since there's no video even though he's been found guilty by a judge?

Hardy's appeal is pending, so the judicial process is not yet complete.

 

[krista4]

McGarnicle, there are lots of people who grow up in violent homes who don't choose to be violent themselves. When you wrote that you view it the same as a drug addiction, you are absolving him of personal responsibility. Nobody is addicted to hitting women.

As far as being sickened by the condemnation, I don't get that either. It's a great thing that society loudly condemns this sort of behavior. I would be horrified and contemptuous of a society that was ambiguous.

You're right, and not all children of addicts become addicts themselves. And I wasn't in any way saying violence is an addiction. People become conditioned to violence through a variety of factors, and all I'm saying is they can be treated. Anger management is a real thing too.I'm fine with condemning the act but there should be some compassion for the human being, again IF he is remorseful and seeks treatment. If someone is just a violent psychopath, that's a different matter. I don't think Rice is a psychopath.

I think you've made some good points in here that have been lost due to your statements about their both being aggressive/violent and equivalence. I agree with your second paragraph here. I'm as much of an animal person as anyone and in fact spent a week volunteering at the sanctuary where many of the Vick dogs ended up, but I have never jumped on the "let's vilify Michael Vick forever" train as I hope that he and others could be rehabilitated, and I've seen a lot from him that indicates he has been.

I think the current response is correct--i.e., being cut and indefinitely suspended. Though thus far Rice has not shown an ability to take responsibility for his actions, I hope that he will and will find a way to change. If so, I wouldn't be angry if he comes back to the NFL. This comes from a person who has worked with and handled pro bono cases for battered women over the years. I can't find it in myself to be wholly unforgiving and write someone off unless, as you say, he is a psychopath or unable to be rehabilitated.

Also agree with your prior posts about people ignoring the source of the violence and not addressing the root causes. Just bringing out the pitchforks is a lot easier, I guess.

I have to admit I'm not aware of Rice either taking responsibility or not, other than the press conference where he repeatedly apologizes, gets choked up, and says he is trying to be a better man. Like I said before, I can't say if he was genuine or not. If someone isn't inclined to believe a wife beater with millions of dollars at stake, I can certainly understand that. But none of us know what's in the man's heart.I just would like to know if he's getting help or not, and is he genuinely trying to change. That's not what the media are interested in covering though, not surprisingly. And soon it will be forgotten.

Pretty ####ty post in response to someone who actually tried to be on your side. Yeah, I saw the press conference, and I also have seen the stuff where it was emphasized how sorry she was for her role, Rice's apparent lying to people about what happened, etc. Guess I missed the part where he took full responsibility, indicated he had done what we now know he did based on the video, said she wasn't to blame, and indicated that she had not done, and could not do, anything to provoke what he did. Link?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Ray Rice didn't lose his job because he hit a woman, he lost his job because there was a tape released of him hitting a woman. The Ravens and the NFL deserve no credit for the actions taking today because they had nothing to do with taking a moral stand and everything to do with minimizing any revenue loss.

 

[bigbottom]

Here's the link to the transcript from the press conference. In my opinion, the choice of his language is odd given what we now know transpired.

http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80295100/

 

[comfortably numb]

Bottom line, if you wanted him banned, you got your wish. Now he has no career to fight for. It's over.

I remember reading there is a ridiculously high percentage of players who end up bankrupt and/or divorced within 5 years of retiring from the NFL. It's probably a much higher probability on both accounts in Rice's case. He'll be forgotten soon enough, and maybe his kids will grow up to be violent too. Meh, who cares, the NFL is as profitable as ever and there is no shortage of college players hoping to be drafted next year. Some of them will be thugs, but if they tarnish the league's image they'll be cast aside too and everyone will applaud Goodell for being tough.

The whole process just seems fundamentally wrong to me.

Does he have to undergo counseling as part of his criminal plea deal?

He agreed to a "pretrial intervention program". Who knows how rigorous that is. Generally the criminal justice system is laughable in these cases. At least they can rightfully say they don't have nearly enough resources. The NFL has more money than some entire countries and they could easily afford to put a good program in place. They could be the model for how to address these cases. They don't have the incentive to do so.

Yep, good points all. I'd like to see the NFL spend at least as much time, money and effort on the issue of domestic violence as they do with breast cancer. But I'm guessing they won't do it until it's in their financial interest to do so.

Fines.

Where does $ form the fines go to?

I would like to see $ from fines go towards the reason for the fine/suspension.

Rice is gone for for year? Hardy 6 games?

All the money collected from fines/missed pay checks under the new domestic abuse rule goes towards charity for abused women, and helping men/women deal with the issues causing them to be violent.

All money collected from Stallworth and Irsay types for DUI's goes towards treatment for alchool abuse and charity for people effected by drunk driving

All money collected from Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon, can go towards helping people with drug addictions

All money collected from Aaron Hernandez/Rae Carruth can go towards youth violence.

You guys get the point.

I understand the NFL uses money collected from fines for charities but is that 5% or 95%,

Which charities?

Perhaps making it very known and out in the open when a player is docked/fined that $XX is going towards XX

 

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Guess I missed the part where he took full responsibility, indicated he had done what we now know he did based on the video, indicated he would be concentrating on counseling for his violent tendencies, said she wasn't to blame, and indicated that she had not done, and could not do, anything to provoke what he did. Link?

He didn't really do any of those things in the press conference back in May. Maybe he gave more than one statement to the press?

 

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@johnbreech: Looks like TMZ is going for Roger Goodell next. Harvey Levin today, "When you wake up tomorrow, you will see what the NFL didn't do."

I have a feelng this will cost Goodell his job.

I dont Twitter......is this source legit?