rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with all of this. Surprise!
I'd still move Chandler if you could get a first for him. In a heartbeat.
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RB Alexander Mattison, MIA (1 Viewer)
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I agree with all of this. Surprise!
I'd still move Chandler if you could get a first for him. In a heartbeat.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh yeah - I’d probably take a 2nd.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Anyone who would do that (trade for Chandler) needs their head examined.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
JAG
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought that was a foregone conclusion. Man, you have to snicker at those who traded a 1st round rookie pick for him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
To be fair, at the time AM was a dude who performed well in relief of Cook. He wasn’t a known JAG to that point. He was a zero RB darling who everyone drafted hoping for a Cook absence prior to that.
Folks looking to buy on AM saw a dude with little competition for carries in a high powered offense with JJ stretching the field all day, with 264 carries & 56 receiving targets available.
It wasn’t correct logic, but I can squint a little and understand the logic.
That said, I’m glad I was one of the ones selling for a 1st rather than buying. I’d traded Mariota for AM in 2022 to a contending team that needed BYE week coverage in SF, so that worked out great.
Turns out they saved a little over $3m by cutting him. He had $2.75m reported as a guarantee that was really an option bonus and he is no longer owed it.
No just that he played in the wrong era.
He could be done quick as the other sled dogs were
Rockchild
Footballguy
Not directed at anyone in particular, but I thought RB's were easily replaceable. Plug and play. No use spending money on them.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
While that’s somewhat correct, as long as they’re a roster requirement, people will value them.
Also keep in mind, getting a 2025 1st in 2023 is equivalent value to a 2024 2nd. -ish.
Not saying it was a smart buy by my trade partner or anyone who paid up for AM, I’m just saying it’s not as insane as some would have you believe.
We all get feelings about certain players. Mattison had a buzz for a couple years as “next man up” - when it finally happened, some folks got excited. I don’t judge them for it.
Some folks might similarly get excited about Ty Chandler if the Vikes don’t draft an early round RB.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
And that’s a mistake. I like Chandler as a prospect more than I ever did Mattison but if you get a chance to cash out on Chandler like people did with Mattison, you have to do it. He was such a late pick or even a waiver wire add. It’s just free money.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not arguing against that at all. As a Ty shareholder I’m hoping someone in that league gets smitten enough with him to pay me what I got for AM!
Send me a 2026 1st? Hell, a 2027 1st? Sold!
markrc99
Footballguy
My understanding is that they're not in the running for Cousins at his asking price. They don't have the luxury of waiting to see what his market is because once the official 1st day of the 2024 season begins, they're absorbing a nearly $30M dead cap hit from him. Not saying they don't resign him, just that if they do, it'll be before FA. In previous drafts they've been linked to moving up & they are again. Reportedly, they've inquired about a trade with New England. They've added Josh McCown to their coaching staff, who was Drake Maye's high school QB coach.
Tough to do both, you neither benefit from cap relief & if you win 9 or 10 games, you're not in a position to recoup the major investment you made to land Maye... Defensively they blitzed like 51.5% of the time, IIRC. Considerably more than the team that was 2nd most & in some other orbit when compared to league avg. Tendencies, no matter what they are or how effective eventually are used against every team. It's back to whether they believe they're in some sort of window & this 35 yr old, with a 1-4 playoff record, is their savior?
Enzo....the Baker
Footballguy
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rockaction
Footballguy
That article just told me how bad his season was last year. I hope for the Raiders' sake that he was hurt.
Has to be great news for Zamir White truthers. You’d much, much rather them sign a trash can like this then bring in some upstart rookie. Not that this prevents them from doing that, but maybe it lessens the odds.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I posted in Zamir's thread when this one was official.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just saw a tweet with the same thing. But this time with video. Came here to post it. lolWarren Sharp
the craziest stat you'll see today
Alexander Mattison had 9 rushes inside the 5 yard line last yr
the result?
-7 yards & 0 TDs
he's the first RB in at least 25 years to have more than 6 attempts inside the 5 but score 0 TDs and actually lose at least 2 yards in totalx.com
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Birdie048
Footballguy
It’s not like they were all Top 10 defenses though… TB & SF were good but Atl, Den & Car were bottom feeder Run DefJust saw a tweet with the same thing. But this time with video. Came here to post it. lolWarren Sharp
the craziest stat you'll see today
Alexander Mattison had 9 rushes inside the 5 yard line last yr
the result?
-7 yards & 0 TDs
he's the first RB in at least 25 years to have more than 6 attempts inside the 5 but score 0 TDs and actually lose at least 2 yards in totalx.com
x.com
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
What happened to this guy? He seemed pretty good when he was backing up Cook. Did his legs just fall off? Was the o-line not as good as it once was or am I just a bad judge of talent?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep. It’s pretty pathetic overall.It’s not like they were all Top 10 defenses though… TB & SF were good but Atl, Den & Car were bottom feeder Run DefJust saw a tweet with the same thing. But this time with video. Came here to post it. lolWarren Sharp
the craziest stat you'll see today
Alexander Mattison had 9 rushes inside the 5 yard line last yr
the result?
-7 yards & 0 TDs
he's the first RB in at least 25 years to have more than 6 attempts inside the 5 but score 0 TDs and actually lose at least 2 yards in totalx.com
x.com
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Seems like Dylan Laube is a good bet to be a Danny Woodhead-type 3rd down back at some point.
Mattison has a career mentor / life coach right there in his locker room. Figure out how Ameer Abdullah has lasted a decade. Embrace the ST role, make another $10M over the next 5 years.
It's difficult to be very excited about the Raiders offense. But I do think the OL is improving. From PFF, which moved them up to 18th in OL rankings this spring:
Love their DL and I'm rooting for Anthony Pierce, but they're very unsettled at QB. The culture is going in the right direction so it should be a more enjoyable season for LV fans.
Mattison has a career mentor / life coach right there in his locker room. Figure out how Ameer Abdullah has lasted a decade. Embrace the ST role, make another $10M over the next 5 years.
It's difficult to be very excited about the Raiders offense. But I do think the OL is improving. From PFF, which moved them up to 18th in OL rankings this spring:
Love their DL and I'm rooting for Anthony Pierce, but they're very unsettled at QB. The culture is going in the right direction so it should be a more enjoyable season for LV fans.
The anti-Pete JohnsonWarren Sharp
the craziest stat you'll see today
Alexander Mattison had 9 rushes inside the 5 yard line last yr
the result?
-7 yards & 0 TDs
he's the first RB in at least 25 years to have more than 6 attempts inside the 5 but score 0 TDs and actually lose at least 2 yards in totalx.com
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Vikings fan here.
I dont think Mattison lost anything to age or anything. He is what he always has been. He is an ok back up RB decent blocker and special teamer but he isnt good enough to start.
The Vikings offensive line in 2023 only made one change at Left Guard where they replaced Ezra Cleveland with Dalton Risner.
Risner is a better pass blocker than Cleveland but not as good in run blocking.
But Mattison was bad before they traded Cleveland to the Jaguars.
Im not sure what you thought Mattison was capable of but the Vikings made him the starter to save money and because he can pass block.
The Vikings this offseason signed Aaron Jones and they want Blake Brandel to start at LG. They are trying to improve their run blocking.
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I'm in no way an analyst nor do I spend a lot of time reading articles or listening to podcasts about football but I think it's fairly objectable that AM was a decent backup. His y/a dipped after 2001 so maybe the writing was on the wall but I, along with many, thought he'd be a serviceable back last year. I know that real football and fantasy football don't quite align but there is overlap.
Several people in this thread have mentioned that he seemed slow (last year). If he was slower last year (compared to previous years) what would cause that other than age or injury?
and of course, if the o-line wasn't very good at run blocking then it's not quite his fault.
I'm willing to cede to your knowledge as a vikes fan but RB38 last year. whew!
Several people in this thread have mentioned that he seemed slow (last year). If he was slower last year (compared to previous years) what would cause that other than age or injury?
and of course, if the o-line wasn't very good at run blocking then it's not quite his fault.
I'm willing to cede to your knowledge as a vikes fan but RB38 last year. whew!
Biabreakable
Footballguy
He was worse than I expected last season but I didnt expect him to be good.
The Vikings personnel on the offensive line hasnt changed that much under the new coach and GM. They had Brsdbury at center Cleveland at LG and ONeil at RT starting in the years Prior to that as Darrisaw was drafted by previous organizational staff as well. Although he only played his rookie season with the old coaching staff.
In 2022 Dalvin Cook still performed statistically similar with KOC coached Vikings. He had 4.7 ypc compared to his career average of 4.6 but there were some small signs of Cook falling off. The coaches were not happy with his performance, I think they were especially bad at converting 1st downs with the run in short yardage.
In the same season, same team Mattison performed much worse than Cook. So if they were not happy with Cook why did they believe in Mattison?
They didnt they just didnt believe in paying Cook his salary at 28 years old as they had other priorities and it does seem like they timed this right as Cook looked like a shell of himself with the Jets.
Now the opportunity for RBs with the Vikings went down with the new coach compared to previously with Gary Kubiak and then his son. It may be worth noting that I dont think Kubiak JRs offense was as good as his pops although it follows the same concepts. While KOC offense does use outside zone not nearly as much. KOC in 2022 ran the ball 36% of the offensive plays in 2023 they ran the ball 39% but this was due to 60 QB runs compared to 30 being normal for Cousins with the Vikings. Kubiak Sr ran the ball 46% of the time. Kubiak Jr about 40%
So I think Mattison benefitted from the Kubiak scheme (he influenced Stefsnskis offense in 2019 as well) and the higher volume of run plays wearing the defense down where Mattison could thrive against a bit more as the COP RB.
When the defense is worried more about Dalvin Cook because he is a better RB than Mattison, this means when Mattison came in the defense did not have the same priorities to stop him as Cook.
But you make Mattison the starter and this dynamic changes.
Same is true for many back up COP RBs. They often have good efficiency stats on small volume of opportunity but if you increase that opportunity the efficiency goes way down.
Anyhow I think this is the main change is coaching philosophy. The Vikings used to be more of a run first type of offense, for a long time really going back to the years with Adrian Peterson. Their offensive linemen were selected and developed (not well) for their run blocking ability moreso than pass blocking. It showed. Completely different priorities with the new coach.
Ed Ingram the starting RG has not been good. He is going into his 3rd season now when many offensive linemen show improvement from pff grades and so on. But If he doesnt he could lose his job to Risner or someone else.
The Raiders have a better run blocking offensive line than the Vikings have I think. So in that sense its a positive for Mattison I think. He needs blocking.
The Vikings personnel on the offensive line hasnt changed that much under the new coach and GM. They had Brsdbury at center Cleveland at LG and ONeil at RT starting in the years Prior to that as Darrisaw was drafted by previous organizational staff as well. Although he only played his rookie season with the old coaching staff.
In 2022 Dalvin Cook still performed statistically similar with KOC coached Vikings. He had 4.7 ypc compared to his career average of 4.6 but there were some small signs of Cook falling off. The coaches were not happy with his performance, I think they were especially bad at converting 1st downs with the run in short yardage.
In the same season, same team Mattison performed much worse than Cook. So if they were not happy with Cook why did they believe in Mattison?
They didnt they just didnt believe in paying Cook his salary at 28 years old as they had other priorities and it does seem like they timed this right as Cook looked like a shell of himself with the Jets.
Now the opportunity for RBs with the Vikings went down with the new coach compared to previously with Gary Kubiak and then his son. It may be worth noting that I dont think Kubiak JRs offense was as good as his pops although it follows the same concepts. While KOC offense does use outside zone not nearly as much. KOC in 2022 ran the ball 36% of the offensive plays in 2023 they ran the ball 39% but this was due to 60 QB runs compared to 30 being normal for Cousins with the Vikings. Kubiak Sr ran the ball 46% of the time. Kubiak Jr about 40%
So I think Mattison benefitted from the Kubiak scheme (he influenced Stefsnskis offense in 2019 as well) and the higher volume of run plays wearing the defense down where Mattison could thrive against a bit more as the COP RB.
When the defense is worried more about Dalvin Cook because he is a better RB than Mattison, this means when Mattison came in the defense did not have the same priorities to stop him as Cook.
But you make Mattison the starter and this dynamic changes.
Same is true for many back up COP RBs. They often have good efficiency stats on small volume of opportunity but if you increase that opportunity the efficiency goes way down.
Anyhow I think this is the main change is coaching philosophy. The Vikings used to be more of a run first type of offense, for a long time really going back to the years with Adrian Peterson. Their offensive linemen were selected and developed (not well) for their run blocking ability moreso than pass blocking. It showed. Completely different priorities with the new coach.
Ed Ingram the starting RG has not been good. He is going into his 3rd season now when many offensive linemen show improvement from pff grades and so on. But If he doesnt he could lose his job to Risner or someone else.
The Raiders have a better run blocking offensive line than the Vikings have I think. So in that sense its a positive for Mattison I think. He needs blocking.
Chaka
Footballguy
Don't want a single Raider skill position player on my roster.
Would love to pick up the defense but the offense will ruin them too.
It's his time! White hurt groin in practice today
www.reviewjournal.com
Raiders report: Running back’s injury could elevate Alexander Mattison
Starting running back Zamir White was already in danger of ceding carries to Alexander Mattison before White suffered a groin injury during Wednesday’s practice.
www.reviewjournal.com
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Well, he had a chance to shine in Minnesota when he was the number one running back and he failed miserably. In my opinion, he's best as a change of pace back.It's his time! White hurt groin in practice today
Raiders report: Running back’s injury could elevate Alexander Mattison
Starting running back Zamir White was already in danger of ceding carries to Alexander Mattison before White suffered a groin injury during Wednesday’s practice.
The General
Footballguy
White is out. He was already going to get more carries. Personally already have one Raider playing so two is too much but he should have a chance for a good game.
bolldpt
Footballguy
Right! KC a couple times and a bye but other than that, as a bellcow that he is currently, especially in PPR, he’s easy flex RB 3/4.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I just noticed he was dropped in my league, which seems odd since anyone with a pulse at running back is on a roster.
But it turns out the guy is desperate for a starting WR this week, and Mattison wasn’t breaking his lineup.
I haven’t watched much Vegas ball, as I don’t own any of them. But Mattison has put up decent enough stats with volume. And trying to figure out if he’s worth a FAAB bid tonight as he clears waivers tomorrow. Two of my starting running backs have week 12 byes, so if anything it may be worth having a starter that week alone.
But it turns out the guy is desperate for a starting WR this week, and Mattison wasn’t breaking his lineup.
I haven’t watched much Vegas ball, as I don’t own any of them. But Mattison has put up decent enough stats with volume. And trying to figure out if he’s worth a FAAB bid tonight as he clears waivers tomorrow. Two of my starting running backs have week 12 byes, so if anything it may be worth having a starter that week alone.
LawFitz
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
According to Paul Gutierrez of ESPN, Las Vegas Raiders running backs Zamir White (quadriceps) has been ruled out, and Alexander Mattison (ankle) has been listed as questionable for Sunday's game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. White will now miss his third-straight contest. Mattison has remained a limited participant during this week's practices and could be in line to return following his two-game absence. Over the past two weeks, veteran Ameer Abdullah has operated as the lead back and averaged a modest 33.5 rushing with 25.5 receiving yards per game. However, depth option Sincere McCormick has shown flashes over this stint, as he has posted a solid 5.7 yards per carry. Fantasy managers should continue to monitor Mattison's status over the weekend as he would likely reclaim his lead role if he can suit up on Sunday.--Andy Smith - RotoBaller
Source: Paul Gutierrez
the spanker
Footballguy
Huh? Who is the guy? Sincere or Mattison?
he’s a bum. Sincere backfield ROS
What makes you think this - that you got Sincere off waivers? Even if it is Sincere, I think Mattison gets the goal line work if healthy
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Packed it in for the season. Waiting for FA lol
rockaction
Footballguy
He’s still close to playing, isn’t he? He’s not expected to play today, but this seems like hyperbole unless you’ve seen something.
