RB Bijan Robinson, ATL (2 Viewers)

[Da Franchise]

K Hebert ran for 732 on 129 carries(5.6 avg).

Thanks for posting this.

Unless someone thinks Khalil Herbert is better than Jamaal Charles, we should maybe consider the idea that playing with a running QB is good for a RB.

We don’t need to consider it. Just remember Alfred Morris and accept it as fact.

 

[menobrown]

LA Chargers- Only if Ekeler gets traded.

Doesn’t Eke only have 1 year left on his contract?

Yes and when you add on to that they've been trying to draft a RB to take some of the heavier load off of him for years now, that Ekeler himself has never been a bell cow type runner, then add him not being happy I concluded a few days ago that I consider them the heavy favorite. Since I don't own 1.1 I'd hate to see it, but it makes to much sense if he's available.


The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him if that they kicked some major salary obligations into next season and still have to extend Herbert. So from a cap perspective I can see were they might fill the need to try and draft a more premium paid position they can get under rookie money, but I don't think they will pass him if he's available.

 

[Deamon]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

 

[Capella]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

I’d be all for this but I don’t think that is Licht’s MO. Much more likely they go OT or edge.

 

[menobrown]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

 

[Deamon]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

who are your top 5 in order?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

Not to mention they just invested at the position last year, and there are still some decent FA & trade candidates. If you’re the Bucs, why not trade for Cook. I know their cap is tight but they never seems to be an issue if a team wants something.

 

[Faust]

BIJAN ROBINSON NFL DRAFT ODDS: TEAM TO DRAFT HIM

 

[menobrown]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

who are your top 5 in order?

Well you are not going to like one of them.

LAC, Dallas, Buffalo, Cincy and Baltimore in that order.

I'd put Tampa 6th and me putting Baltimore 5th assumes in a month they've worked things out with Lamar. If they have not, or have traded him and look like they are entering a rebuild mode then I'd replace them with Tampa.

 

[Faust]

Bijan Robinson (PlayerProfiler)

Bijan Robinson (MockDraftable)

 

[menobrown]

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

Not to mention they just invested at the position last year, and there are still some decent FA & trade candidates. If you’re the Bucs, why not trade for Cook. I know their cap is tight but they never seems to be an issue if a team wants something.

They are rebuilding ,taking a step back this year to get their situation right going forward. A few signs of this but a heavy one is they could have pushed the $35m cap hit on Brady out over 2 years but instead they just took the entire hit this year. They are rolling with Baker vs Trask at QB would be the second major sign. So trading for an older RB would not make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Deamon]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

who are your top 5 in order?

Well you are not going to like one of them.

LAC, Dallas, Buffalo, Cincy and Baltimore in that order.

I'd put Tampa 6th and me putting Baltimore 5th assumes in a month they've worked things out with Lamar. If they have not, or have traded him and look like they are entering a rebuild mode then I'd replace them with Tampa.

Thanks. Few questions:
1. Do you think the Chargers are still up there if they keep Ekeler?
2 Dallas/Buffalo.... do you think he falls all the way down to the late 20s? Or are you assuming a trade up with those teams.
3. Cinci... Is this assuming Mixon is gone? Or do you think they keep Mixon and still take him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

Not to mention they just invested at the position last year, and there are still some decent FA & trade candidates. If you’re the Bucs, why not trade for Cook. I know their cap is tight but they never seems to be an issue if a team wants something.

They are rebuilding ,taking a step back this year to get their situation right going forward. A few signs of this but a heavy one is they could have pushed the $35m cap hit on Brady out over 2 years but instead they just took the entire hit this year. They are rolling with Baker vs Trask at QB would be the second major sign. So trading for an older RB would not make a lot of sense to me.

I’m just sayin - IF they’re adding a RB it makes more sense than spending a 1.19 on a RB with a team that isn’t going to win for a few years.

Not saying they should go get Cook. Just saying a trade or FA signing is a better route and I agree with you that there’s little chance they take Bijan.

 

[travdogg]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

Is Tampa Bay undergoing a significant rebuild? Their actions haven't really showed it so far. The brought back 33 year old Lavonte David, they haven't traded Mike Evans or Chris Godwin, and they seem to be preparing to roll with a veteran QB in Mayfield for better or worse.

These seem like the moves of a team that thinks they can win the division again next year. Bijan Robinson would be a huge upgrade from Rachaad White, and also make life a lot easier on their new non-HOF QB.

 

[Deamon]

and also make life a lot easier on their new non-HOF QB.

Woah woah woah, don't write off Baker as a HOF'er just yet.

 

[massraider]

I’m just sayin - IF they’re adding a RB it makes more sense than spending a 1.19 on a RB with a team that isn’t going to win for a few years.

I think a late 1st on a stud RB who will be there 5 years minimum is completely fine.

If someone has a rebuilding plan that takes longer than 5 years, they won't last anyways,

 

[ghostguy123]

I’m just sayin - IF they’re adding a RB it makes more sense than spending a 1.19 on a RB with a team that isn’t going to win for a few years.

I think a late 1st on a sud RB who will be there 5 years minimum is completely fine.

If someone has a rebuilding plan that takes longer than 5 years, they won't last anyways,

That's obviously a good point to consider when predicting a landing spot.
These GMs are not thinking about the makeup of the team 7 years from now.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

These GMs are not thinking about the makeup of the team 7 years from now.

Yes the need to keep their jobs is their #1 priority.

 

[massraider]

These GMs are not thinking about the makeup of the team 7 years from now.

Daniel Jeremiah said it best: You can get running backs in the 3rd/4th round. You can't get a Bijan there.

I think the positional value thing is valid, to a point. RBs are devalued. Yes. Don't take them top 5. YES. Never take in the first round? I disagree.

I listen to the the PFF guys regularly, who blindly point to their stats that show these positions are more valuable, so therefore your premium picks really shouldn't be these other spots. Because VALUE. Which many people agree with. Pass on Bijan for positions that are more valuable, harder to fill. The CB, the OT, the EDGE.

THe theory makes sense, but then everyone walks away, and no one critiques their own process, and then everyone reaches for lesser players, at MORE IMPORTANT POSITIONS, who bust. Then you hear, 'Oh well, the process was right". But it wasn't. You reached for a need, and got nothing, and someone else got a good player.

If you take a bad CB/OT/EDGE, wouldn't Bijan have been a better pick?

If you have a top 3 grade on a RB, and a 2nd round grade on whoever else you are considering, geeeeezzzzz, take the back.

 

[Jakey]

I’m just sayin - IF they’re adding a RB it makes more sense than spending a 1.19 on a RB with a team that isn’t going to win for a few years.

I think a late 1st on a stud RB who will be there 5 years minimum is completely fine.

If someone has a rebuilding plan that takes longer than 5 years, they won't last anyways,

ROUND	AVG. REG. SEASON GAMES	REG. SEASONS' WORTH OF GAMES
1	62.3	3.7
2	56.3	3.3
3	48.1	2.8
4	44.4	2.6
5	40.5	2.4
6	32.5	1.9
7	28.1	1.7

Assuming "5 years minimum" might be a stretch. Rbs are below the above averages, second only to QBs in brevity of career.

 

[massraider]

Assuming "5 years minimum" might be a stretch. Rbs are below the above averages, second only to QBs in brevity of career.

The good ones play 5 years, we are assuming Bijan is good. It is possible he is not, or that his career is cut short by injury, or by his decision to take over as host of Wheel of Fortune. Lots of things can happen, I agree.

 

[menobrown]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

Is Tampa Bay undergoing a significant rebuild? Their actions haven't really showed it so far. The brought back 33 year old Lavonte David, they haven't traded Mike Evans or Chris Godwin, and they seem to be preparing to roll with a veteran QB in Mayfield for better or worse.

These seem like the moves of a team that thinks they can win the division again next year. Bijan Robinson would be a huge upgrade from Rachaad White, and also make life a lot easier on their new non-HOF QB.

Godwin is still young and would be a massive cap hit to trade him. Evans would also provide no cap relief and like David, who probably signed dirt cheap, he's a franchise icon who is treated with a little respect. So yes, I stand firmly on what I said, their actions are of a team rebuilding.

 

[Faust]

Bijan Robinson Is Now The #1 NFL Prospect On My Draft Board After Finding Out He Has His Own Brand Of Mustard, Bijan Mustardson

 

[menobrown]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

who are your top 5 in order?

Well you are not going to like one of them.

LAC, Dallas, Buffalo, Cincy and Baltimore in that order.

I'd put Tampa 6th and me putting Baltimore 5th assumes in a month they've worked things out with Lamar. If they have not, or have traded him and look like they are entering a rebuild mode then I'd replace them with Tampa.

Thanks. Few questions:
1. Do you think the Chargers are still up there if they keep Ekeler?
2 Dallas/Buffalo.... do you think he falls all the way down to the late 20s? Or are you assuming a trade up with those teams.
3. Cinci... Is this assuming Mixon is gone? Or do you think they keep Mixon and still take him.

Welcome and:

1. Yes. He would pair well with Ekeler who has never been a foundation type runner anyway. If they could have run the ball when they had to vs Jags they probably win that game. They'd make a nice pairing on a SB contending team and then they can let Ekeler walk.

2. My thought during most of this off-season is Bijan will go around the time first round graded players at other positions are no longer on the board. That's typically like 18-20 but since not all teams have the same board it does not mean at say pick 23 a team won't have a first round pick available. But I only bring that up to say I've thought for awhile a team in that Dallas, Buf, Cincy mix would likely move up to get him if he's in range.

3. I don't know on Mixon. I think most teams would have cut him already but MIke Brown does not like to cut players for cap purposes, they've done it but it's not that common. Mixon is also a big team leader apparently and has been around for the rebuild so I think they might be letting emotions and attachment get in the way. But if they got Bijan my guess is they would look at cutting Mixon, assuming they have not already, but either way I think it would likely be Mixons last year. Mixon and Bijan is not remotely as good of a pairing as say Ekeler/Bijan or Pollard/Bijan but they'd find a way. It was not first round picks but this is the team that spend a second on Gio when Jeremy Hill looked like he might something and then spent a second on Mixon when it looked like Gio was entrenched.

 

[Deamon]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

who are your top 5 in order?

Well you are not going to like one of them.

LAC, Dallas, Buffalo, Cincy and Baltimore in that order.

I'd put Tampa 6th and me putting Baltimore 5th assumes in a month they've worked things out with Lamar. If they have not, or have traded him and look like they are entering a rebuild mode then I'd replace them with Tampa.

Thanks. Few questions:
1. Do you think the Chargers are still up there if they keep Ekeler?
2 Dallas/Buffalo.... do you think he falls all the way down to the late 20s? Or are you assuming a trade up with those teams.
3. Cinci... Is this assuming Mixon is gone? Or do you think they keep Mixon and still take him.

Welcome and:

1. Yes. He would pair well with Ekeler who has never been a foundation type runner anyway. If they could have run the ball when they had to vs Jags they probably win that game. They'd make a nice pairing on a SB contending team and then they can let Ekeler walk.

2. My thought during most of this off-season is Bijan will go around the time first round graded players at other positions are no longer on the board. That's typically like 18-20 but since not all teams have the same board it does not mean at say pick 23 a team won't have a first round pick available. But I only bring that up to say I've thought for awhile a team in that Dallas, Buf, Cincy mix would likely move up to get him if he's in range.

3. I don't know on Mixon. I think most teams would have cut him already but MIke Brown does not like to cut players for cap purposes, they've done it but it's not that common. Mixon is also a big team leader apparently and has been around for the rebuild so I think they might be letting emotions and attachment get in the way. But if they got Bijan my guess is they would look at cutting Mixon, assuming they have not already, but either way I think it would likely be Mixons last year. Mixon and Bijan is not remotely as good of a pairing as say Ekeler/Bijan or Pollard/Bijan but they'd find a way. It was not first round picks but this is the team that spend a second on Gio when Jeremy Hill looked like he might something and then spent a second on Mixon when it looked like Gio was entrenched.

Good stuff.

In one league 3 of my 7 keepers are Ekeler, Pollard, and Mixon lol.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bijan Robinson Is Now The #1 NFL Prospect On My Draft Board After Finding Out He Has His Own Brand Of Mustard, Bijan Mustardson

Bijan’s Dijon.

Hell. Yes.

 

[Capella]

The only real counter I can come up against the Chargers picking him

Or the fact that the bucs likely take him at 19.

Possible but I'm giving Jason Lictht enough credit to know when you are undergoing a signficant rebuild you don't spend a fairly high first round pick on a RB knowing you are likely wasting his first two seasons. I'd view them as possible but not would not have them in my top 5 most likely spots.

Is Tampa Bay undergoing a significant rebuild? Their actions haven't really showed it so far. The brought back 33 year old Lavonte David, they haven't traded Mike Evans or Chris Godwin, and they seem to be preparing to roll with a veteran QB in Mayfield for better or worse.

These seem like the moves of a team that thinks they can win the division again next year. Bijan Robinson would be a huge upgrade from Rachaad White, and also make life a lot easier on their new non-HOF QB.

They are not rebuilding. I don’t know if it’s smart or not or if they even win 8 games this year, but Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023. He’s very very much an OL and DL guy in the early rounds so I’d still be surprised they took Bijan but it’s possible I guess.

 

[menobrown]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

 

[Capella]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Bijan Robinson Is Now The #1 NFL Prospect On My Draft Board After Finding Out He Has His Own Brand Of Mustard, Bijan Mustardson

Bijan’s Dijon.

Hell. Yes.

Someone here has to taste test this stuff and tell us if it passes the mustard.

 

[zamboni]

Bijan Robinson Is Now The #1 NFL Prospect On My Draft Board After Finding Out He Has His Own Brand Of Mustard, Bijan Mustardson

Bijan’s Dijon.

Hell. Yes.

Someone here has to taste test this stuff and tell us if it passes the mustard.

This guy would know

 

[menobrown]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

I already addressed Lavonte and Baker, are you kidding me? You are 100% right about one thing, their actions speak louder then words and that's what I believe and why I say they are not trying to contend. If you feel otherwise go make yourself some money because Draftkings just released team win totals for 2023 and Tampa is 30th.

 

[Capella]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

I already addressed Lavonte and Baker, are you kidding me? You are 100% right about one thing, their actions speak louder then words and that's what I believe and why I say they are not trying to contend. If you feel otherwise go make yourself some money because Draftkings just released team win totals for 2023 and Tampa is 30th.

Why are you being so hostile lol. I already said it probably won’t be successful. If they weren’t trying to compete they wouldn’t have brought Dean and David back and would have moved Godwin for cap space. Full stop.

This isn’t complicated. Trying < > being successful

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

I already addressed Lavonte and Baker, are you kidding me? You are 100% right about one thing, their actions speak louder then words and that's what I believe and why I say they are not trying to contend. If you feel otherwise go make yourself some money because Draftkings just released team win totals for 2023 and Tampa is 30th.

Why are you being so hostile lol. I already said it probably won’t be successful. If they weren’t trying to compete they wouldn’t have brought Dean and David back and would have moved Godwin for cap space. Full stop.

They don’t save much on cap with Godwin, David is good for selling jerseys.

I think Baker has a little run and gets them to ~7-8 wins, but I don’t think they’re going to compete this year, and I agree with @menobrown that it’s unlikely they draft Bijan. But not impossible.

I hope this wasn’t too hostile. lol

 

[menobrown]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

I already addressed Lavonte and Baker, are you kidding me? You are 100% right about one thing, their actions speak louder then words and that's what I believe and why I say they are not trying to contend. If you feel otherwise go make yourself some money because Draftkings just released team win totals for 2023 and Tampa is 30th.

Why are you being so hostile lol. I already said it probably won’t be successful. If they weren’t trying to compete they wouldn’t have brought Dean and David back and would have moved Godwin for cap space. Full stop.

No need to go on this but I already addressed Godwin as well. Trading him would create a massive cap hit and run counter to creating cap space. Also he's young enough to be part of a 1-2 year step back.

Evans is a little different. But he'd only create $2.3M in cap space while taking on a $21.3M cap hit. But he's a future HOF franchise ICON and I think those things are handled differently. That being said it's still not crazy to see him traded. I think a day or two ago was the anniversary of the Tyreek Hill trade. AJB was draft day trade. We got time but I'm not predicting he is traded.

I've said this before, they are not tanking. Licht it trying to put pieces for a competitive team, but that's not the same thing as trying to put pieces of a contending team together.

As it relates to Bijan that should not rule them out, it just makes it more unlikely as you should expect 5 years of Bijan's service and you essentially wasting 1 year and year 2 a good chance of a rookie QB so you start looking at 1-2 years. This has not stopped teams from taking RB's high in the past is a great counter point to what I'm saying but I'm not sure RB's have ever been more devalued.

That being said I thought about this some more last night and I'd bump Tampa up a spot, as my personal 5th most likely team to take him. Again not ruling it out, and I put a lot of stock in your comments about them needing to address other spots that they might have first round grades on when they are up at 19 as one of the reasons. If it happens all the players at those positions they have first round grades on are gone I think Bijan becomes a possibility.

 

[Capella]

and I agree with @menobrown that it’s unlikely they draft Bijan. But not impossible.

I have literally said the same thing lol. It’s like 10 posts up.

Do you think I’m contending the Bucs will be good this year?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

and I agree with @menobrown that it’s unlikely they draft Bijan. But not impossible.

I have literally said the same thing lol. It’s like 10 posts up.

Do you think I’m contending the Bucs will be good this year?

No. But it sounded like you were saying that the Bucs think they’ll be good for a minute there.

 

[Capella]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

I already addressed Lavonte and Baker, are you kidding me? You are 100% right about one thing, their actions speak louder then words and that's what I believe and why I say they are not trying to contend. If you feel otherwise go make yourself some money because Draftkings just released team win totals for 2023 and Tampa is 30th.

Why are you being so hostile lol. I already said it probably won’t be successful. If they weren’t trying to compete they wouldn’t have brought Dean and David back and would have moved Godwin for cap space. Full stop.

No need to go on this but I already addressed Godwin as well. Trading him would create a massive cap hit and run counter to creating cap space. Also he's young enough to be part of a 1-2 year step back.

Evans is a little different. But he'd only create $2.3M in cap space while taking on a $21.3M cap hit. But he's a future HOF franchise ICON and I think those things are handled differently. That being said it's still not crazy to see him traded. I think a day or two ago was the anniversary of the Tyreek Hill trade. AJB was draft day trade. We got time but I'm not predicting he is traded.

I've said this before, they are not tanking. Licht it trying to put pieces for a competitive team, but that's not the same thing as trying to put pieces of a contending team together.

As it relates to Bijan that should not rule them out, it just makes it more unlikely as you should expect 5 years of Bijan's service and you essentially wasting 1 year and year 2 a good chance of a rookie QB so you start looking at 1-2 years. This has not stopped teams from taking RB's high in the past is a great counter point to what I'm saying but I'm not sure RB's have ever been more devalued.

That being said I thought about this some more last night and I'd bump Tampa up a spot, as my personal 5th most likely team to take him. Again not ruling it out, and I put a lot of stock in your comments about them needing to address other spots that they might have first round grades on when they are up at 19 as one of the reasons. If it happens all the players at those positions they have first round grades on are gone I think Bijan becomes a possibility.

The Bucs could create cap room by trading Godwin, which would be stupid.

Godwin could be the tipping point for where the Buccaneers envision themselves as a team in the future. He could be the most promising trade chip and Tampa Bay would open up $8.75 million in cap space with a trade but a majority of his remaining money comes from a $20 million salary in 2023 and $18.5 million in 2024. Both of those figures could easily be restructured to a signing bonus and pushed out through the two void years already on Godwin’s deal in 2025 and 2026.

 

[JohnnyU]

and also make life a lot easier on their new non-HOF QB.

Woah woah woah, don't write off Baker as a HOF'er just yet.

Love the

 

[menobrown]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

I already addressed Lavonte and Baker, are you kidding me? You are 100% right about one thing, their actions speak louder then words and that's what I believe and why I say they are not trying to contend. If you feel otherwise go make yourself some money because Draftkings just released team win totals for 2023 and Tampa is 30th.

Why are you being so hostile lol. I already said it probably won’t be successful. If they weren’t trying to compete they wouldn’t have brought Dean and David back and would have moved Godwin for cap space. Full stop.

No need to go on this but I already addressed Godwin as well. Trading him would create a massive cap hit and run counter to creating cap space. Also he's young enough to be part of a 1-2 year step back.

Evans is a little different. But he'd only create $2.3M in cap space while taking on a $21.3M cap hit. But he's a future HOF franchise ICON and I think those things are handled differently. That being said it's still not crazy to see him traded. I think a day or two ago was the anniversary of the Tyreek Hill trade. AJB was draft day trade. We got time but I'm not predicting he is traded.

I've said this before, they are not tanking. Licht it trying to put pieces for a competitive team, but that's not the same thing as trying to put pieces of a contending team together.

As it relates to Bijan that should not rule them out, it just makes it more unlikely as you should expect 5 years of Bijan's service and you essentially wasting 1 year and year 2 a good chance of a rookie QB so you start looking at 1-2 years. This has not stopped teams from taking RB's high in the past is a great counter point to what I'm saying but I'm not sure RB's have ever been more devalued.

That being said I thought about this some more last night and I'd bump Tampa up a spot, as my personal 5th most likely team to take him. Again not ruling it out, and I put a lot of stock in your comments about them needing to address other spots that they might have first round grades on when they are up at 19 as one of the reasons. If it happens all the players at those positions they have first round grades on are gone I think Bijan becomes a possibility.

The Bucs could create cap room by trading Godwin, which would be stupid.

Godwin could be the tipping point for where the Buccaneers envision themselves as a team in the future. He could be the most promising trade chip and Tampa Bay would open up $8.75 million in cap space with a trade but a majority of his remaining money comes from a $20 million salary in 2023 and $18.5 million in 2024. Both of those figures could easily be restructured to a signing bonus and pushed out through the two void years already on Godwin’s deal in 2025 and 2026.

They re-structured his contract already which is why he's no longer feasibly trade able.

 

[Capella]

Licht was defiant at his press conference this week that they are in it to win it in 2023.

With all due respect that means literally nothing to me. That's what they all say. He's not tanking, that I believe, but he's not making winning in 2023 a priority either. He's building for 2024 and beyond.

He wouldn’t have brought back Lavonte, signed Dean, and signed Baker if they weren’t trying to win in 2023. They would have just handed Trask the ball. Their actions speak louder than his words, if you don’t want to believe those.

I already addressed Lavonte and Baker, are you kidding me? You are 100% right about one thing, their actions speak louder then words and that's what I believe and why I say they are not trying to contend. If you feel otherwise go make yourself some money because Draftkings just released team win totals for 2023 and Tampa is 30th.

Why are you being so hostile lol. I already said it probably won’t be successful. If they weren’t trying to compete they wouldn’t have brought Dean and David back and would have moved Godwin for cap space. Full stop.

No need to go on this but I already addressed Godwin as well. Trading him would create a massive cap hit and run counter to creating cap space. Also he's young enough to be part of a 1-2 year step back.

Evans is a little different. But he'd only create $2.3M in cap space while taking on a $21.3M cap hit. But he's a future HOF franchise ICON and I think those things are handled differently. That being said it's still not crazy to see him traded. I think a day or two ago was the anniversary of the Tyreek Hill trade. AJB was draft day trade. We got time but I'm not predicting he is traded.

I've said this before, they are not tanking. Licht it trying to put pieces for a competitive team, but that's not the same thing as trying to put pieces of a contending team together.

As it relates to Bijan that should not rule them out, it just makes it more unlikely as you should expect 5 years of Bijan's service and you essentially wasting 1 year and year 2 a good chance of a rookie QB so you start looking at 1-2 years. This has not stopped teams from taking RB's high in the past is a great counter point to what I'm saying but I'm not sure RB's have ever been more devalued.

That being said I thought about this some more last night and I'd bump Tampa up a spot, as my personal 5th most likely team to take him. Again not ruling it out, and I put a lot of stock in your comments about them needing to address other spots that they might have first round grades on when they are up at 19 as one of the reasons. If it happens all the players at those positions they have first round grades on are gone I think Bijan becomes a possibility.

The Bucs could create cap room by trading Godwin, which would be stupid.

Godwin could be the tipping point for where the Buccaneers envision themselves as a team in the future. He could be the most promising trade chip and Tampa Bay would open up $8.75 million in cap space with a trade but a majority of his remaining money comes from a $20 million salary in 2023 and $18.5 million in 2024. Both of those figures could easily be restructured to a signing bonus and pushed out through the two void years already on Godwin’s deal in 2025 and 2026.

They re-structured his contract already which is why he's no longer feasibly trade able.

Right. A few weeks ago. Which they did instead of trading him because…..they’re trying to win. Lol.

 

[Deamon]

@travdogg I see you have him going at #29 to New O in your latest mock.... what caused the slip from your original 19ish projection?

 

[Faust]

Bijan Robinson to Eagles in Bruce Feldman NFL Mock Draft 2023: RB 'Is Unbelievable'

 

[travdogg]

@travdogg I see you have him going at #29 to New O in your latest mock.... what caused the slip from your original 19ish projection?

I think he's still very much an option there, I just had Van Ness making it to TB where he wasn't before. Bijan was still a top-3 option for them. I think that #18 to #30 is the sweet spot.

 

[Deamon]

@travdogg I see you have him going at #29 to New O in your latest mock.... what caused the slip from your original 19ish projection?

I think he's still very much an option there, I just had Van Ness making it to TB where he wasn't before. Bijan was still a top-3 option for them. I think that #18 to #30 is the sweet spot.

I'd love it if he went to NO. The people with the 1.01 in dynasty who can't stop talking only about their fantasy team would go nuts.

 

[Deamon]

@travdogg I see you have him going at #29 to New O in your latest mock.... what caused the slip from your original 19ish projection?

I think he's still very much an option there, I just had Van Ness making it to TB where he wasn't before. Bijan was still a top-3 option for them. I think that #18 to #30 is the sweet spot.

If he drops to 30, Philly would have to take him. Could also see them moving up to 25-30 (would be very very cheap) if he slips down that far. No way they're taking him in the top half of the draft like people like to predict.

 

[Faust]

2023 NFL DRAFT ROOKIE PROFILE: BIJAN ROBINSON (FANTASY FOOTBALL)

 

[rockaction]

Anybody privy to the PFF little blurb about surplus value, running backs, and first round picks thereof?

It was really interesting. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'd love it if he went to NO. The people with the 1.01 in dynasty who can't stop talking only about their fantasy team would go nuts.

Why? Is that a bad spot with Kamara aging and facing suspension?

 

[Deamon]

I'd love it if he went to NO. The people with the 1.01 in dynasty who can't stop talking only about their fantasy team would go nuts.

Why? Is that a bad spot with Kamara aging and facing suspension?

Ya that's true, it could be decent. Just a lot of people still thinking he's going top 10 and that seems very unlikely to me.