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RB Bijan Robinson, ATL (3 Viewers)

I'd love it if he went to NO. The people with the 1.01 in dynasty who can't stop talking only about their fantasy team would go nuts.
Why? Is that a bad spot with Kamara aging and facing suspension?
Ya that's true, it could be decent. Just a lot of people still thinking he's going top 10 and that seems very unlikely to me.
I’m not sure how high he’ll go but I also don’t think he’ll last until the Saints pick. The position has been devalued, sure, but that somehow gets echo-chambered until it’s a bit hyperbolic. RBs expected to dominate still get drafted highly. I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes Top 10 but my expectations are in the 17-25 range.
 
I'd love it if he went to NO. The people with the 1.01 in dynasty who can't stop talking only about their fantasy team would go nuts.
Why? Is that a bad spot with Kamara aging and facing suspension?
Ya that's true, it could be decent. Just a lot of people still thinking he's going top 10 and that seems very unlikely to me.
I’m not sure how high he’ll go but I also don’t think he’ll last until the Saints pick. The position has been devalued, sure, but that somehow gets echo-chambered until it’s a bit hyperbolic. RBs expected to dominate still get drafted highly. I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes Top 10 but my expectations are in the 17-25 range.
For all the talk of devalued Runningbacks, as recently as two years ago we had two drafted in the first round at picks 24 & 25. Bijan is a better prospect than ETN or Harris IMO so I agree with your last sentence here pretty easily. Nearly every team starting at 19 could use him, I fully expect someone to move up to secure him before that run of teams is on the clock. That assumes he makes past of the range of Atlanta at 8 down through Houston at 12. Sure all those teams have other needs but I wouldn't be shocked as you said if one of those teams took him.
 
I’m not sure how high he’ll go but I also don’t think he’ll last until the Saints pick. The position has been devalued, sure, but that somehow gets echo-chambered until it’s a bit hyperbolic. RBs expected to dominate still get drafted highly. I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes Top 10 but my expectations are in the 17-25 range.
I would have no issue with him going to the Saints, but I agree they’d have to move up to get him.

That said, it would signal a clear message that Kamara wasn’t long for the team and if anything would be a huge blow to Jamaal Williams upside.

I always find it odd when people hope for negative draft outcomes to top players because it might mess things up for FF managers. Real haterade **** right there.
 
I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes Top 10 but my expectations are in the 17-25 range.
Sounds about right - while the position is indeed devalued these days, the fact that he's being touted as the best RB prospect to hit the draft since Barkley may very well be intriguing enough for a team to draft him earlier than we expect. Add to the fact that he's a dynamic receiver and I don't see why teams would shy away from an impactful player.
 
I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes Top 10 but my expectations are in the 17-25 range.
Sounds about right - while the position is indeed devalued these days, the fact that he's being touted as the best RB prospect to hit the draft since Barkley may very well be intriguing enough for a team to draft him earlier than we expect. Add to the fact that he's a dynamic receiver and I don't see why teams would shy away from an impactful player.
It’s also kind of chicken and the egg. Is the position devalued because teams think less of running backs, or is it devalued because the caliber of RBs has been lesser?

There’s a reason they call some of these dudes “generational” - last I checked, the market for generational talent hasn’t been devalued. Barkley was certainly a 1st rounder. We just haven’t seen this complete of a back since.

Note: some backs have been very good, and a case could be made after that fact that a couple in the last few years might have been 1st rounders in the past with hindsight.

But Bijan is in that tier of Saquan, EE, LT2, etc. And looking back at guys like Jacobs, Gurley, CMC, Playoff Lenny, etc there have been more hits than misses - it’s just easy to see Sony, Richardson, David Wilson, CJ Spiller and get a bad feeling about 1st round RB.

The elite ones are well deserving of 1st round capital. The hit rate is fairly high.
 
There’s a reason they call some of these dudes “generational” - last I checked, the market for generational talent hasn’t been devalued. Barkley was certainly a 1st rounder. We just haven’t seen this complete of a back since.
I can see the argument why draft an RB that early - and in the process give up the opportunity cost of getting another positional player - yet still be able to get a quality RB later. But at the same time, how many of these early opportunity costs at other positions have fallen flat? Don't have the statistics to back it up, but I bet it's pretty high.

Where teams have gotten smarter is not overpaying RBs long term like Jerry did with Zeke. Which is why Barkley himself is finding it hard to get the scratch he wants.
 
I'd love it if he went to NO. The people with the 1.01 in dynasty who can't stop talking only about their fantasy team would go nuts.
Why? Is that a bad spot with Kamara aging and facing suspension?
Ya that's true, it could be decent. Just a lot of people still thinking he's going top 10 and that seems very unlikely to me.
I don’t think he’s going top 10, nor do I really think that matters much anymore. These days a RB going in the 1st round is an extreme testament to their talent, even if it’s the backend.
 
Current grinding the mocks has him at 15 which feels about right (and JSN at 14).
As a shareholder of the 1.01..My Bijan draft analysis:

6. Detroit. I don't see it. I'd rather not wait 1.5-2 years for bellcow usage. Team has other needs too.
7. LVR- I don't see it here either. Jacobs feels safe IMO.
8. Atlanta. Maybe and would be OK but Allgeier was found money and great in their system. Build a D, man. Or get a real quarterback (ouch). I don't have any shares of this offense but the collective relief of London and Pitts owners would be epic.
9. Chicago. Maybe and also would be OK. I don't know their OLine that well but as a Fields guy, I would rather see stud OL or WR, personally. Herbert is pretty good.
10. Eagles. I know it's been downplayed here but I would like this fit for Bijan. Overall offensive efficiency outweighs the tradeoffs of less dumpoffs and GL work, compared to fit on other teams.
11. Titans. I'm down with this. Team history of bellcow usage --either straight away with a Henry trade or a year away.
12. Houston. Meh. I can live with this. Not expecting a lot of points to be scored but hopefully they're on the upswing at some point? Back end RB1 year one then a top 6 guy years 3-5?
13. Jets. No chance. They have enough RB depth to give Hall time to come back strong who in my evaluation was absolutely electric. Offensive weaponry is the least of their concerns. one would think.
14. Patriots. Gross. Can see them trading back, that's kind of Bill's thing. Saw buzz about Bijan to Pats and it caused a brief bout of depression that spurred this post as a means of processing.
15. Packers. As a long term play for them and given the seeming importance of the running game I guess? Don't love it.
16. Commanders. I don't see it. I don't like it. Brian Robinson and Gibson give them a couple different looks.
17. Steelers. Doesn't make any sense to me.
18. Detroit. If he's still on the board would they just F it. He's an elite playmaker?
19. Tampa Bay. Don't know the team that well but this feels like not a match to team needs. If they really like R White as much as they said they do then this is a bad fit and makes no sense.
20. Seattle. Gross, no. KW3 and Bijan splitting is one of the top 3-4 grossest outcomes possible.
21. LAC- Don't hate it. AE on his way out.
22. Ravens. Maybe the grossest fit of them all. Entrenched coaching staff with a long and steady history of 2-3 back usage plus no QB? and a running QB offense? I don't feel well thinking about this.
23. Vikings. Sure. Cook aging, history of bellcow usage.
24. Jacksonville- weird fit IMO. Don't love it.
25. Giants. lol. If he makes it this far down the board. Saquon on a 1 year deal. Guess this is actually kind of a fit in some ways.
26. Cowboys. I'm reconsidering my Pollard evaluation given recent comments. People dreaming of the fit here have visions of prime Zeke years being a baseline but I'm not sure that Pollard doesn't eat up quite a bit of those opportunities. I initially had them in mind as being a desirable fit but I don't think it's ideal.
27. Buffalo. Likely would have to trade up to get him and would seem like a strange investment for them.
28. Bengals. Trade up and GIDDY UP. I would cry tears of joy. Mixon looked kinda cooked last year and this offense has a ceiling.
29. NOS. Trade up and meh. Understand the fit but this offense isn't the stuff dreams are made of and Kamara once back from suspension eating into that a bit. Where's the future of this offense? It's probably fine for Bijan but seems not preferable.
30. Eagles. If he's still on the board here they'd be stupid not to take him. IMO.
31. KC- I think for most owners, this would be a dream. In the long run that would probably be true. My Pacheco share doesn't like it so It would take me a few minutes to recover from that. I have a hard time believing he'd make it this far down the board and I don't know if KC would prioritize moving up board as much as they'd need to to get him.

Tier 1. A man can dream tier- Bengals-
Tier 2- Pretty, pretty good -Eagles/ LAC/ Minnesota/ Titans- maybe Buffalo/KC but seems so unlikely as to not spend energy on.
Tiers 3-9 Everyone else. Any other team that drafts him will likely use him a fair bit given the DC and his talents--but the situations are very meh. Lot of talented competition or bad offenses.
Tier 10 Lotta beers and tears on Thursday night out there in Dynasty land- Patriots, Seattle, Jets, Ravens.
 
14. Patriots. Gross. Can see them trading back, that's kind of Bill's thing. Saw buzz about Bijan to Pats and it caused a brief bout of depression that spurred this post as a means of processing.
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Tier 1. A man can dream tier- Bengals-
Tier 2- Pretty, pretty good -Eagles/ LAC/ Minnesota/ Titans- maybe Buffalo/KC but seems so unlikely as to not spend energy on.
Tiers 3-9 Everyone else. Any other team that drafts him will likely use him a fair bit given the DC and his talents--but the situations are very meh. Lot of talented competition or bad offenses.
Tier 10 Lotta beers and tears on Thursday night out there in Dynasty land- Patriots, Seattle, Jets, Ravens.
I think Cinn is moving on from Mixon and Bijan lands in Cinn. Offensive Fire Power Galore! I can see the whole Offense thriving from this move.
 
Every year I watch the draft and it seems the teams that need a RB don't draft one, and the teams that don't need RBs are the ones that do.
Counterpoint - there isn’t a Bijan Robinson every year. Kid’s gonna be a star. He looks the part, tests the part. Electric player. Could be very special player.

Most years you take a DE or DB over RBs.

Bijan is the best RB prospect in years. Someone who needs a RB take him top 20, and probably moves up to do so.

Or he falls to the Chargers at 21, they immediately trade Ekeler, and a star is born.
 

Perusing FBG articles found one "top 5 landing spots for Bijan" Titans/Eagles/Chargers/ Cowboys but then Cardinals whom I hadn't considered. I guess I'd be a little surprised given the likelihood of having Anderson land in their lap. Take the layup man.
Cards are a likely trade-down candidate though - with the Titans, Raiders, Colts, Falcons all needing QBs, and ARich stock on the rise, it would be smart for them to move that 1.03 down to 4, 7, etc for a haul - and depending on who they deal with they can likely still be in position to get Anderson.
 
Ever seen a player this good that no one wants their team to draft?
I’d love the Niners to draft him & trade CMC. It won’t happen, but I’d love it.
Hmmm....you must not like winning.
Getting 6-7 years younger with a tougher inside runner. Sounds like winning to me.

Mostly, it’s about my own selfish Fantasy Football desires, and the fact that the 49ers are one of the best running teams in football.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
What happened in 1995 IMO has nothing to do with today - different regime entirely. Now if you say the Bengals not wanting to trade up in general for any RB, even Bijan, I can see that.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
What happened in 1995 IMO has nothing to do with today - different regime entirely. Now if you say the Bengals not wanting to trade up for any RB, even Bijan, is not worth the draft capital, I can see that.
I think you’re reading it wrong. He’s saying the Bengals aren’t trading up, because it’s not their way. It hasn’t happened in over 20 years.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
What happened in 1995 IMO has nothing to do with today - different regime entirely. Now if you say the Bengals not wanting to trade up for any RB, even Bijan, is not worth the draft capital, I can see that.
I think you’re reading it wrong. He’s saying the Bengals aren’t trading up, because it’s not their way. It hasn’t happened in over 20 years.
Fair enough - still doesn’t mean that because they haven’t in ages, they wouldn’t do it now if they were really in love with a player.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
They’re due.
It really is a dream scenario - a QB that doesn’t run, a team with 2 alpha WRs to open up holes, and a coach who likes pounding RBs - with an older RB who’d be a relatively easy cut from what I’ve read.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
What happened in 1995 IMO has nothing to do with today - different regime entirely. Now if you say the Bengals not wanting to trade up for any RB, even Bijan, is not worth the draft capital, I can see that.
I think you’re reading it wrong. He’s saying the Bengals aren’t trading up, because it’s not their way. It hasn’t happened in over 20 years.
Fair enough - still doesn’t mean that because they haven’t in ages, they wouldn’t do it now if they were really in love with a player.
Yes, agree.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
What happened in 1995 IMO has nothing to do with today - different regime entirely. Now if you say the Bengals not wanting to trade up for any RB, even Bijan, is not worth the draft capital, I can see that.
I think you’re reading it wrong. He’s saying the Bengals aren’t trading up, because it’s not their way. It hasn’t happened in over 20 years.
Fair enough - still doesn’t mean that because they haven’t in ages, they wouldn’t do it now if they were really in love with a player.
I would love if they did. I just don’t think they will. It’s not the way the organization operates. Maybe they’re changing a bit, but I doubt it.
 
Current grinding the mocks has him at 15 which feels about right (and JSN at 14).
As a shareholder of the 1.01..My Bijan draft analysis:

6. Detroit. I don't see it. I'd rather not wait 1.5-2 years for bellcow usage. Team has other needs too.
7. LVR- I don't see it here either. Jacobs feels safe IMO.
8. Atlanta. Maybe and would be OK but Allgeier was found money and great in their system. Build a D, man. Or get a real quarterback (ouch). I don't have any shares of this offense but the collective relief of London and Pitts owners would be epic.
9. Chicago. Maybe and also would be OK. I don't know their OLine that well but as a Fields guy, I would rather see stud OL or WR, personally. Herbert is pretty good.
10. Eagles. I know it's been downplayed here but I would like this fit for Bijan. Overall offensive efficiency outweighs the tradeoffs of less dumpoffs and GL work, compared to fit on other teams.
11. Titans. I'm down with this. Team history of bellcow usage --either straight away with a Henry trade or a year away.
12. Houston. Meh. I can live with this. Not expecting a lot of points to be scored but hopefully they're on the upswing at some point? Back end RB1 year one then a top 6 guy years 3-5?
13. Jets. No chance. They have enough RB depth to give Hall time to come back strong who in my evaluation was absolutely electric. Offensive weaponry is the least of their concerns. one would think.
14. Patriots. Gross. Can see them trading back, that's kind of Bill's thing. Saw buzz about Bijan to Pats and it caused a brief bout of depression that spurred this post as a means of processing.
15. Packers. As a long term play for them and given the seeming importance of the running game I guess? Don't love it.
16. Commanders. I don't see it. I don't like it. Brian Robinson and Gibson give them a couple different looks.
17. Steelers. Doesn't make any sense to me.
18. Detroit. If he's still on the board would they just F it. He's an elite playmaker?
19. Tampa Bay. Don't know the team that well but this feels like not a match to team needs. If they really like R White as much as they said they do then this is a bad fit and makes no sense.
20. Seattle. Gross, no. KW3 and Bijan splitting is one of the top 3-4 grossest outcomes possible.
21. LAC- Don't hate it. AE on his way out.
22. Ravens. Maybe the grossest fit of them all. Entrenched coaching staff with a long and steady history of 2-3 back usage plus no QB? and a running QB offense? I don't feel well thinking about this.
23. Vikings. Sure. Cook aging, history of bellcow usage.
24. Jacksonville- weird fit IMO. Don't love it.
25. Giants. lol. If he makes it this far down the board. Saquon on a 1 year deal. Guess this is actually kind of a fit in some ways.
26. Cowboys. I'm reconsidering my Pollard evaluation given recent comments. People dreaming of the fit here have visions of prime Zeke years being a baseline but I'm not sure that Pollard doesn't eat up quite a bit of those opportunities. I initially had them in mind as being a desirable fit but I don't think it's ideal.
27. Buffalo. Likely would have to trade up to get him and would seem like a strange investment for them.
28. Bengals. Trade up and GIDDY UP. I would cry tears of joy. Mixon looked kinda cooked last year and this offense has a ceiling.
29. NOS. Trade up and meh. Understand the fit but this offense isn't the stuff dreams are made of and Kamara once back from suspension eating into that a bit. Where's the future of this offense? It's probably fine for Bijan but seems not preferable.
30. Eagles. If he's still on the board here they'd be stupid not to take him. IMO.
31. KC- I think for most owners, this would be a dream. In the long run that would probably be true. My Pacheco share doesn't like it so It would take me a few minutes to recover from that. I have a hard time believing he'd make it this far down the board and I don't know if KC would prioritize moving up board as much as they'd need to to get him.

Tier 1. A man can dream tier- Bengals-
Tier 2- Pretty, pretty good -Eagles/ LAC/ Minnesota/ Titans- maybe Buffalo/KC but seems so unlikely as to not spend energy on.
Tiers 3-9 Everyone else. Any other team that drafts him will likely use him a fair bit given the DC and his talents--but the situations are very meh. Lot of talented competition or bad offenses.
Tier 10 Lotta beers and tears on Thursday night out there in Dynasty land- Patriots, Seattle, Jets, Ravens.
As far as Pollard eating into usage, sure but he is coming back from a broken fibula. That could eat into the beginning part of the season or he could be ready to go week 1. They franchised him and that leads me to believe Pollard is a short-term Cowboy and Bijan would be a long-term investment. I don't believe Pollard was franchised to be a bell cow RB because he really doesn't have the stature for it.

Really, in his first 3 seasons he was pretty woeful in pass protection. They're going to want an insurance policy and I'm 100% sure Dallas takes a RB in the draft but don't see them trading up extremely high to make the move for Bijan. If he falls into that 21 range, they might make a move for him.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
What happened in 1995 IMO has nothing to do with today - different regime entirely. Now if you say the Bengals not wanting to trade up for any RB, even Bijan, is not worth the draft capital, I can see that.
I think you’re reading it wrong. He’s saying the Bengals aren’t trading up, because it’s not their way. It hasn’t happened in over 20 years.
Fair enough - still doesn’t mean that because they haven’t in ages, they wouldn’t do it now if they were really in love with a player.
I would love if they did. I just don’t think they will. It’s not the way the organization operates. Maybe they’re changing a bit, but I doubt it.
All I know is, their offense has been centered around having an elite running back for years. And this year there happens to be a generational talent who will likely be available to them, or would be available if they moved up a spot or two. In that context, I don’t put a lot of stock into anything they’ve done “historically“ as this is a unique opportunity to secure an elite level talent at a position they may immediately have a need for.
 
Current grinding the mocks has him at 15 which feels about right (and JSN at 14).
As a shareholder of the 1.01..My Bijan draft analysis:

6. Detroit. I don't see it. I'd rather not wait 1.5-2 years for bellcow usage. Team has other needs too.
7. LVR- I don't see it here either. Jacobs feels safe IMO.
8. Atlanta. Maybe and would be OK but Allgeier was found money and great in their system. Build a D, man. Or get a real quarterback (ouch). I don't have any shares of this offense but the collective relief of London and Pitts owners would be epic.
9. Chicago. Maybe and also would be OK. I don't know their OLine that well but as a Fields guy, I would rather see stud OL or WR, personally. Herbert is pretty good.
10. Eagles. I know it's been downplayed here but I would like this fit for Bijan. Overall offensive efficiency outweighs the tradeoffs of less dumpoffs and GL work, compared to fit on other teams.
11. Titans. I'm down with this. Team history of bellcow usage --either straight away with a Henry trade or a year away.
12. Houston. Meh. I can live with this. Not expecting a lot of points to be scored but hopefully they're on the upswing at some point? Back end RB1 year one then a top 6 guy years 3-5?
13. Jets. No chance. They have enough RB depth to give Hall time to come back strong who in my evaluation was absolutely electric. Offensive weaponry is the least of their concerns. one would think.
14. Patriots. Gross. Can see them trading back, that's kind of Bill's thing. Saw buzz about Bijan to Pats and it caused a brief bout of depression that spurred this post as a means of processing.
15. Packers. As a long term play for them and given the seeming importance of the running game I guess? Don't love it.
16. Commanders. I don't see it. I don't like it. Brian Robinson and Gibson give them a couple different looks.
17. Steelers. Doesn't make any sense to me.
18. Detroit. If he's still on the board would they just F it. He's an elite playmaker?
19. Tampa Bay. Don't know the team that well but this feels like not a match to team needs. If they really like R White as much as they said they do then this is a bad fit and makes no sense.
20. Seattle. Gross, no. KW3 and Bijan splitting is one of the top 3-4 grossest outcomes possible.
21. LAC- Don't hate it. AE on his way out.
22. Ravens. Maybe the grossest fit of them all. Entrenched coaching staff with a long and steady history of 2-3 back usage plus no QB? and a running QB offense? I don't feel well thinking about this.
23. Vikings. Sure. Cook aging, history of bellcow usage.
24. Jacksonville- weird fit IMO. Don't love it.
25. Giants. lol. If he makes it this far down the board. Saquon on a 1 year deal. Guess this is actually kind of a fit in some ways.
26. Cowboys. I'm reconsidering my Pollard evaluation given recent comments. People dreaming of the fit here have visions of prime Zeke years being a baseline but I'm not sure that Pollard doesn't eat up quite a bit of those opportunities. I initially had them in mind as being a desirable fit but I don't think it's ideal.
27. Buffalo. Likely would have to trade up to get him and would seem like a strange investment for them.
28. Bengals. Trade up and GIDDY UP. I would cry tears of joy. Mixon looked kinda cooked last year and this offense has a ceiling.
29. NOS. Trade up and meh. Understand the fit but this offense isn't the stuff dreams are made of and Kamara once back from suspension eating into that a bit. Where's the future of this offense? It's probably fine for Bijan but seems not preferable.
30. Eagles. If he's still on the board here they'd be stupid not to take him. IMO.
31. KC- I think for most owners, this would be a dream. In the long run that would probably be true. My Pacheco share doesn't like it so It would take me a few minutes to recover from that. I have a hard time believing he'd make it this far down the board and I don't know if KC would prioritize moving up board as much as they'd need to to get him.

Tier 1. A man can dream tier- Bengals-
Tier 2- Pretty, pretty good -Eagles/ LAC/ Minnesota/ Titans- maybe Buffalo/KC but seems so unlikely as to not spend energy on.
Tiers 3-9 Everyone else. Any other team that drafts him will likely use him a fair bit given the DC and his talents--but the situations are very meh. Lot of talented competition or bad offenses.
Tier 10 Lotta beers and tears on Thursday night out there in Dynasty land- Patriots, Seattle, Jets, Ravens.

At #10, I don't think the Eagles would take Bijan. His rookie salary would be more than they want to spend on the position. It would have made more sense cap-wise to keep Miles Sanders ($2.5M cap hit this season), than select Bijan Robinson at #10 ($4M cap hit). At #30 if he's there, it makes sense to take him.
 

Texas RB Bijan Robinson will be amongst the 17 players expected to attend the draft in person in Kansas City.​

The Longhorns superstar will be accompanied by most of the usual mock draft suspects, with the notable exception of Georgia Tech EDGE Keion White. Although no one can settle on a landing spot for Robinson, it seems doubtful he ultimately escapes the top 20 picks. The entire list of prospects attending can be found at the link below.

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It's behind a paywall but I get ESPN+ for now, so Barnwell's article -- in addition to the Kevin Cole (PFF) and Jakob Sanderson (Rotounderworld) article and Twitter feed he mentions within the article -- are all must reads. They're about surplus value and how much you lose by taking an RB in the first round. It's a piece that's well thought-out, and uses new numbers to show that RBs are even further deflated in value than we commonly assumed. It's not a fun piece if you back RBs in the NFL (and I do), but it's really worth a read. All three articles/Twitter feeds are worthy of a long look (Barnwell's, Cole's, and Sanderson's). I'm not sure I understand the math or the new statistics; but what they're arguing is meritorious of debate.
 
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It's behind a paywall but I get ESPN+ for now, so Barnwell's article -- in addition to the Kevin Cole and Jakob Sanderson article and Twitter feed he mentions within the article -- are all must reads. They're about surplus value and how much you lose by taking an RB in the first round. It's a piece that's well thought-out, and uses new numbers to show that RBs are even further deflated in value than we commonly assumed. It's not a fun piece if you back RBs in the NFL (and I do), but it's really worth a read. All three articles/Twitter feeds are worthy of a long look (Barnwell's, Cole's, and Sanderson's). I'm not sure I understand the math or the new statistics; but what they're arguing is meritorious of debate.
I believe there’s a world where both of these statements are true:
1. It’s a mistake in todays NFL to take a RB in the 1st round. In general they have shorter shelf/life at a position with an abundance of options where a smart team can mix and match skill sets to situations.

2. Bijan Robinson is an exception to #1 in that he’s a special talent.

If Barry Sanders, Ladanian Tomlinson, or Jim Brown came out in this draft, one would give serious consideration to taking them in the 1st round. I’m not saying Bijan is Tomlinson, but he’s closer to the greats than he is to the last 4-5 years worth of prospects, so you take that risk with him.

The game has changed quite a bit, but what hasn’t changed is the need to convert 3rd down, short yardage, GL, and to have a versatile back who can be a receiving threat.

Whether a team addresses this with 1 player or multiple is the question.

In the case of a special talent, I believe it’s worth the risk. But maybe that’s why I’m not an NFL GM. (In addition to being a talentless hack, of course)

lol
 
I’m not saying Bijan is Tomlinson, but he’s closer to the greats than he is to the last 4-5 years worth of prospects, so you take that risk with him.

I disagree, but we know how you feel about Bijan. He's barely closer than Breece. Waldman had them separated by one-tenth of a percentage point. He's not closer than Taylor, who has already led the league in rushing.

"[Taylor] played college football at Wisconsin, finishing his college career as the sixth all-time rusher in the NCAA and the first player in history to rush for more than 6,000 yards in any three-year span. Taylor finished in the top ten of Heisman Trophy voting three times.[1] Following each of the 2018 and 2019 seasons, he was named a unanimous first-team All-American and recipient of the Doak Walker Award, the award for the top running back in college football.[2]

From Weeks 4–11, Taylor compiled 100-plus scrimmage yards and at least one rushing touchdown in eight consecutive games, which tied for the longest streak in NFL history.[128] After the season, the Maxwell Football Club announced that Taylor was the winner of the 2021 Bert Bell Award.[129] He was the runner-up for AP Offensive Player of the Year.[130] He was ranked fifth by his fellow players on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2022.[131]"

Bijan wasn't and isn't likely too much better than this guy.
 
I'm not pooh-poohing Bijan. I just think the talk about him being way better than the past five years of backs is overblown if I hadn't made myself clear through the Breece Hall comments already in this thread.

Saying he's better than Taylor is a stretch by any tangible measurement. College? Taylor was better and more decorated. Pros? Taylor was the best pro and more decorated already than most guys could ever hope to be. Measurables? Taylor destroyed the speed score measurement. He's ten percent+ ahead of Robinson. His burst score is slightly lower by ten percent, but still respectable and comparable to Robinson's burst score. Robinson did not test for agility or bench press at the combine.
 
Just saw that the charges against Joe Mixon were refiled… Maybe Bijan Robinson to the Bengals is back on the table as a possible landing spot.
They'd have to trade up to get him though.
Don’t think it’s gonna happen. The last time the Bengals traded up was in 1995 to get Ki-Janna Carter.
What happened in 1995 IMO has nothing to do with today - different regime entirely. Now if you say the Bengals not wanting to trade up for any RB, even Bijan, is not worth the draft capital, I can see that.
I think you’re reading it wrong. He’s saying the Bengals aren’t trading up, because it’s not their way. It hasn’t happened in over 20 years.
Fair enough - still doesn’t mean that because they haven’t in ages, they wouldn’t do it now if they were really in love with a player.
I would love if they did. I just don’t think they will. It’s not the way the organization operates. Maybe they’re changing a bit, but I doubt it.
All I know is, their offense has been centered around having an elite running back for years. And this year there happens to be a generational talent who will likely be available to them, or would be available if they moved up a spot or two. In that context, I don’t put a lot of stock into anything they’ve done “historically“ as this is a unique opportunity to secure an elite level talent at a position they may immediately have a need for.
I hear you and I love the idea of Bijan to Cincinnati (not a Bengals fan, nor do I have a shot at Bijan), but if you're the Bengals do you trade up, or do let Gibbs fall in your lap.
 
I'm not pooh-poohing Bijan. I just think the talk about him being way better than the past five years of backs is overblown if I hadn't made myself clear through the Breece Hall comments already in this thread.

Saying he's better than Taylor is a stretch by any tangible measurement. College? Taylor was better and more decorated. Pros? Taylor was the best pro and more decorated already than most guys could ever hope to be. Measurables? Taylor destroyed the speed score measurement. He's ten percent+ ahead of Robinson. His burst score is slightly lower by ten percent, but still respectable and comparable to Robinson's burst score. Robinson did not test for agility or bench press at the combine.
You seem to be more enamored with speed than me, that is for sure.
 
You seem to be more enamored with speed than me, that is for sure.

Yep. And I'm enamored with 1,800 yards rushing in the NFL in one season. If Bijan does that, then we can talk.

I mean, Taylor's 2021 season was just...unreal

"Taylor led the NFL in carries (332), rushing yards (1811), and touchdowns (20). From an efficiency standpoint he was otherworldly. He lead the NFL in Evaded Tackles (165), Breakaway Runs (23), and Yards Created (1382). In his two-year career, Taylor has averaged at least 5.0 yards per carry in each season and has scored 32 touchdowns in 32 games" - Player Profiler (Rotounderworld)

I mean, your premise might be faulty in that you're not considering Taylor's year an all-time great year.
 

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