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RB Bijan Robinson, ATL (2 Viewers)

Bijan wasn’t amazing today but suffice it to say Allgeier did not pass the eye test.

Doesn't matter. ATL clearly does not view Bijan Robinson as their starter, feature back, RB1, whatever tag you want to call him. He didn't even start the 2nd half. He didn't start the game-tying drive. He didn't start the game-winning drive in OT.

Bust
Yeah clearly the guy who had 9 touches and 12 yards rushing is the RB1 :ROFLMAO:

Again... it doesn't f****** matter... this a rinse and repeat situation. We will have this exact same conversation every week because ATL either does not think he's all that, or they don't think he can handle the load.

By the way, I greatly exaggerated his ranking. Even with the points he got tonight, Bijan is still in the RB20-25 window.
That’s not what you said though. You said Bijan is not the RB1, when the numbers clearly indicate otherwise. Has Bijan been a fantasy disappointment? Absolutely. As I said earlier, rich man’s Jerome Ford, a guy who isn’t winning anyone their matchup with how he’s played. But he’s out-touched Allgeier in every game so far and is still clearly RB1 of his team, for what that’s worth. The Falcons are just more pass-heavy than they’ve been in recent years.
How “rich” is this man you speak of?
 
Bijan wasn’t amazing today but suffice it to say Allgeier did not pass the eye test.

Doesn't matter. ATL clearly does not view Bijan Robinson as their starter, feature back, RB1, whatever tag you want to call him. He didn't even start the 2nd half. He didn't start the game-tying drive. He didn't start the game-winning drive in OT.

Bust
Yeah clearly the guy who had 9 touches and 12 yards rushing is the RB1 :ROFLMAO:

Again... it doesn't f****** matter... this a rinse and repeat situation. We will have this exact same conversation every week because ATL either does not think he's all that, or they don't think he can handle the load.

By the way, I greatly exaggerated his ranking. Even with the points he got tonight, Bijan is still in the RB20-25 window.
That’s not what you said though. You said Bijan is not the RB1, when the numbers clearly indicate otherwise. Has Bijan been a fantasy disappointment? Absolutely. As I said earlier, rich man’s Jerome Ford, a guy who isn’t winning anyone their matchup with how he’s played. But he’s out-touched Allgeier in every game so far and is still clearly RB1 of his team, for what that’s worth. The Falcons are just more pass-heavy than they’ve been in recent years.
How “rich” is this man you speak of?
I could put it that way, or I could say Jerome Ford is “store-brand Bijan Robinson” and get the same point across. Bijan is more efficient and has more volume but not nearly enough for return on investment.

One TD in five games played so far, that’s a lot of empty calories for a player who is currently on a 17-game pace for below 1,000 yards rushing. That’s also while being on pace for just 289 touches. That seems to be the trend with RB’s in general though. Christian McCaffrey led the league last year with 339 touches in 16 games, but that number was also the lowest for any single-season league leader since the strike-shortened 1982 season. So if RB’s like Bijan are going to be used more economically we’re going to need to see some trips into the end zone to make up for it or there won’t be enough fantasy points for return on investment.

Signed,
One really bummed out Bijan dynasty owner
 
Looking to trade him. Allgeier plays way too much for no discernible reason.

Good luck with that. You might want to wait until he has another one of his signature 12-14 point games.

On a night when the Falcons put up 550 total yards and 36 points, their star RB scratched out about 7 fantasy points.

Coming into week 5 Bijan trails my placekicker by 20 points on the season.
No question we all have to wait. I just feel cleaner making the decision now!

I'm not even floating him out there. He'll barely hang onto the RB15-20 window after this week. And even that is probably bolstered through injuries to others.

He's "bust of the year" material.

I'd probably wait for Breece Hall's dismal flop this week before declaring that
 
He's certainly their RB1, but the question is, fantasy RB1? I think he will get there with the receptions but the fact its even a question is disconcerting based on ADP.
 
This was the first time I really watched and have a few thoughts:

1. Ty Al is good, tough downhill runner. He's not as versatile or dynamic but he's predictable in terms of the decision he's going to make. He finds a hole, gets downhill and hits the gas.

2. Bijan is like a huge gymnast. He's absolutely a special physical talent capable of dynamic movements that are sort of in defiance of most bodies limitations. You see it every time he touches the ball. But he's not quite as decisively one cut and downhill as TA. But even on inside runs in short yardage, the guy is spinning off contact while flying through the air. He's really a fun guy to watch.

Tampa's D seemingly has been a pass funnel offense for a while. They stoned ATL's rush attempts many times. There should be better days ahead for ATL's ground game but it's clear that in this game, attacking downfield through the air was the right decision. Tampa was really swarming everything near the LOS. Screen passes and whatever it's called when you pass to the RB on the side of the backfield with a bunch of WRs blocking. None of that was working. Downfield was. So it's a bit game script.

Bijan is IMO a buy in dynasty. He'll have his day.
 
Also, since forever, teams that can play differently in different conditions are teams that win.

as a NE fan, it was clear that the teams that could problem solve any sort of problem were the ones that went all the way. The more multiple and offense or defense could be, the better their odds of advancing. It was always fun to face Baltimore because they were much less of a chameleon team and more of a straight up punch you in the mouth team.

So as a fantasy football player, I guess it is frustrating but as a football fan, its exciting.
 
He's certainly their RB1, but the question is, fantasy RB1? I think he will get there with the receptions but the fact its even a question is disconcerting based on ADP.
Through Week 4, in half-PPR Bijan was RB21 in total points and RB23 in points per game. Below guys like Zach Charbonnet and Chuba Hubbard in both categories. He’s putting out low-end fantasy RB2 numbers thus far which is a big letdown.

I still believe in the talent but I’m not pleased with the output so far through five games.
 
I am selling. Its been a yr + and nothing that makes me think he is that guy(we took him #1 overall last year in dynasty rookie draft). But right now, IDK if we would get a return we would like. Gonna hold for a couple week(s) and see if he can have 1 good game, then move him. Its frustrating watching them not use him. Or maybe he isnt the awesome player everyone thought he would be?
And yes, I know Artie Smith was his HC last year. But he wasnt the OC. Just have to wonder if they see him the same as the fantasy community.
 
I think Bijan will be fine at some point. It is odd to say it since they threw for 500 yards but the Falcons offensive line is not good, definitely in the bottom half of the league. Don't forget our TE is a glorified WR and his blocking is below average. Few RBs excel will mediocre blockers. Because teams can get pressure on the QB, they normally don't need to respect the downfield pass. This is why Kirk went off. Tampa never conceived he would have time to go downfield and their pass rush is not good anyway. As a Falcons fan, i knew not to draft him that high (real or FFL) but you can see the talent. He is very similar to Kamara to me.
 
I understand all that, but even with 500 yards passing and a comp to Kamara might be fair, Bijan was 3 for 16 in receiving. THREE!!!! Lots of red flags are up right now. More of a team thing than the player, but still upsetting. Kind of the same for Breece Hall. Hall is a better runner imo.
I thought I got a generational talent with Bijan. Seems more run of the mill. Other than the one TD last year he juked out that guy early in the season, its been pretty boring, bland, meh.
How long do you hold, and how low would you sell him for if its 2-3 more weeks of nothingness?
 
This was the first time I really watched and have a few thoughts:

1. Ty Al is good, tough downhill runner. He's not as versatile or dynamic but he's predictable in terms of the decision he's going to make. He finds a hole, gets downhill and hits the gas.

2. Bijan is like a huge gymnast. He's absolutely a special physical talent capable of dynamic movements that are sort of in defiance of most bodies limitations. You see it every time he touches the ball. But he's not quite as decisively one cut and downhill as TA. But even on inside runs in short yardage, the guy is spinning off contact while flying through the air. He's really a fun guy to watch.

Tampa's D seemingly has been a pass funnel offense for a while. They stoned ATL's rush attempts many times. There should be better days ahead for ATL's ground game but it's clear that in this game, attacking downfield through the air was the right decision. Tampa was really swarming everything near the LOS. Screen passes and whatever it's called when you pass to the RB on the side of the backfield with a bunch of WRs blocking. None of that was working. Downfield was. So it's a bit game script.

Bijan is IMO a buy in dynasty. He'll have his day.
Can they ever get Bijan in space?
Just running him up inside between the tackles or having him try and be patient waiting for blocks Off Tackle...
Can they not figure out a way to get him in space and see if he is special or not? All RBs need a little space
Look at the hole that Henry ran thru the other night going untouched 87 yards to the house
We never see that with Bijan or feel like he's a threat to break one

It has all that Javonte Williams vibe where there was always a 2nd RB prior to his injury and we would hear all about how amazing this 4 and 5 yard run was while he carried 3 defenders with him and he was tough and looking for contact...
I would like to see Bijan find an open hole and accelerate thru it vs always meeting a defender at the LOS and dragging them 2-3 yards with him
 
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Past fantasy talk I must say it was pretty shocking seeing Atlanta choose go with Algeier on most of arguably the two most critical drives of the game. Especially since he was not performing so awesome and Bijan was just starting to make some plays.

They won so don’t think anyone asked Raheem about it after the game like that reporter last week who asked about Pitts and were told stats are for losers. I’d like to know if they felt Bijan reached a playing time threshold, especially considering it was a short week and he had been in injury report with a hammy this week? But it happened last week as well and I think most felt that was a hot hand situation.

Can see using Algeier in certain roles and as physical runner to close games they are winning but this was not that or the aforementioned hot hand.
 
His skillset translates to be an elite NFL rb. The problem is the Falcons dont show much interest in showcasing that talent. It's a problem for us fantasy nerds. If they are gonna continue to use him as a typical RB just getting touches instead of making him a focal point to display his skills then it's gonna be a long season of 12 pt ppr weeks. I own one share, I'm holding. Makes zero sense to move. My other league I may throw some fish lines out for him. Why not?
 
How many times are some of you going to question the usage?

Two different coaching staffs are using him this way. Maybe, just maybe he isn't the next best thing.
His skillset translates to be an elite NFL rb. The problem is the Falcons dont show much interest in showcasing that talent. It's a problem for us fantasy nerds. If they are gonna continue to use him as a typical RB just getting touches instead of making him a focal point to display his skills then it's gonna be a long season of 12 pt ppr weeks. I own one share, I'm holding. Makes zero sense to move. My other league I may throw some fish lines out for him. Why not?
Two different staffs have handled this the same way.
 
  1. The pistol formation and runs they are able to scheme for Robinson don't seem like a good marriage of his skillset.​
  2. His amount of touches seem to be capped by Allgier's ability to be a more physical bruiser type running back. Allgier is no slouch and could be a starter in fair amount of other teams.​
  3. His yards before contact sort of say he doesn't have open holes or is not running to open holes. To me it looks like there have not been many holes open in two of the games I have watched him in.​
  4. He is not being used as a pass catcher as I expected.​
Short term I find it hard for him to reach RB 1 range this year and next year with the same scheme same QB and Allgier getting the similar amount of touches.
 
Bijan wasn’t amazing today but suffice it to say Allgeier did not pass the eye test.

Doesn't matter. ATL clearly does not view Bijan Robinson as their starter, feature back, RB1, whatever tag you want to call him. He didn't even start the 2nd half. He didn't start the game-tying drive. He didn't start the game-winning drive in OT.

Bust
Yeah clearly the guy who had 9 touches and 12 yards rushing is the RB1 :ROFLMAO:

Again... it doesn't f****** matter... this a rinse and repeat situation. We will have this exact same conversation every week because ATL either does not think he's all that, or they don't think he can handle the load.

By the way, I greatly exaggerated his ranking. Even with the points he got tonight, Bijan is still in the RB20-25 window.
That’s not what you said though. You said Bijan is not the RB1, when the numbers clearly indicate otherwise. Has Bijan been a fantasy disappointment? Absolutely. As I said earlier, rich man’s Jerome Ford, a guy who isn’t winning anyone their matchup with how he’s played. But he’s out-touched Allgeier in every game so far and is still clearly RB1 of his team, for what that’s worth. The Falcons are just more pass-heavy than they’ve been in recent years.
How “rich” is this man you speak of?
I could put it that way, or I could say Jerome Ford is “store-brand Bijan Robinson” and get the same point across. Bijan is more efficient and has more volume but not nearly enough for return on investment.

One TD in five games played so far, that’s a lot of empty calories for a player who is currently on a 17-game pace for below 1,000 yards rushing. That’s also while being on pace for just 289 touches. That seems to be the trend with RB’s in general though. Christian McCaffrey led the league last year with 339 touches in 16 games, but that number was also the lowest for any single-season league leader since the strike-shortened 1982 season. So if RB’s like Bijan are going to be used more economically we’re going to need to see some trips into the end zone to make up for it or there won’t be enough fantasy points for return on investment.

Signed,
One really bummed out Bijan dynasty owner
I was just trying to make a joke.

Singed, another bummed Bijan owner.
 
How many times are some of you going to question the usage?

Two different coaching staffs are using him this way. Maybe, just maybe he isn't the next best thing.
His skillset translates to be an elite NFL rb. The problem is the Falcons dont show much interest in showcasing that talent. It's a problem for us fantasy nerds. If they are gonna continue to use him as a typical RB just getting touches instead of making him a focal point to display his skills then it's gonna be a long season of 12 pt ppr weeks. I own one share, I'm holding. Makes zero sense to move. My other league I may throw some fish lines out for him. Why not?
Two different staffs have handled this the same way.
Look. I'm not a coach. I've never spent months watching NFL rbs practice. What I am saying is that if I was, I would ask myself, "What does this rb do well and what can I do to take advantage of that?" Maybe offensive line personel is hindering this. I get that. What I do see is an elite athlete that catches the ball really well. 3 targets? None designed plays. Why not run 3 Bijan out of the backfield in space plays that are designed to get past line of scrimmage? I just see no adjustments to what isnt working. All my opinion.
 
What was clear to me is that Cousins never looked Bijan's way in the passing game. Only time he threw to him was on designed screens, not one dump off pass.
 
Just want to point out that despite using Allgeier at odd times for him that right now he's 4th in the NFL among Rb's in snaps per game. Trails Kyren, Barkley and Mason. I don't think the root of his fantasy production issues is Allgier stealing snaps/playing time.
Last night Herbstreit made a comment, almost offhandedly, about the running scheme Atlanta is using is more suited to Allgeier than Bijan and that Bijan was still learning how to run in this scheme. I don't know if it's true but it was a poignant comment.

We are seeing something similar in Las Vegas where they switched from a power blocking run scheme to a zone scheme and Zamir has been far less productive.
 
How many times are some of you going to question the usage?

Two different coaching staffs are using him this way. Maybe, just maybe he isn't the next best thing.
His skillset translates to be an elite NFL rb. The problem is the Falcons dont show much interest in showcasing that talent. It's a problem for us fantasy nerds. If they are gonna continue to use him as a typical RB just getting touches instead of making him a focal point to display his skills then it's gonna be a long season of 12 pt ppr weeks. I own one share, I'm holding. Makes zero sense to move. My other league I may throw some fish lines out for him. Why not?
Two different staffs have handled this the same way.
Look. I'm not a coach. I've never spent months watching NFL rbs practice. What I am saying is that if I was, I would ask myself, "What does this rb do well and what can I do to take advantage of that?" Maybe offensive line personel is hindering this. I get that. What I do see is an elite athlete that catches the ball really well. 3 targets? None designed plays. Why not run 3 Bijan out of the backfield in space plays that are designed to get past line of scrimmage? I just see no adjustments to what isnt working. All my opinion.
Didn’t this offense just get a bizzillion yards last night? Not sure if the offensive coordinator is looking to change anything up.
 
Just want to point out that despite using Allgeier at odd times for him that right now he's 4th in the NFL among Rb's in snaps per game. Trails Kyren, Barkley and Mason. I don't think the root of his fantasy production issues is Allgier stealing snaps/playing time.
Yup. As of now the Falcons are 6th in pass attempts per game at 35.6, and 30th in rush attempts per game at 21.6. That's despite having the highest drafted RB in the NFL since Saquon Barkley, and another RB only two seasons removed from a 1,000-yard campaign. They are really trying hard to justify the cost of Kirk Cousins it would seem.
 
Last night Herbstreit made a comment, almost offhandedly, about the running scheme Atlanta is using is more suited to Allgeier than Bijan and that Bijan was still learning how to run in this scheme. I don't know if it's true but it was a poignant comment.
There was a lot of post-game chatter on twitter last night, none of which I have data to verify the accuracy about, that when Bijan was at Texas he primarily ran between the tackles and he was least effective running outside zone and 80% of his carries this season have been in outside zone.
 
Last night Herbstreit made a comment, almost offhandedly, about the running scheme Atlanta is using is more suited to Allgeier than Bijan and that Bijan was still learning how to run in this scheme. I don't know if it's true but it was a poignant comment.
There was a lot of post-game chatter on twitter last night, none of which I have data to verify the accuracy about, that when Bijan was at Texas he primarily ran between the tackles and he was least effective running outside zone and 80% of his carries this season have been in outside zone.
Jesus. Sounds like awesome coaching. “You must fit my scheme.”

Most coaches really suck.
 
Last night Herbstreit made a comment, almost offhandedly, about the running scheme Atlanta is using is more suited to Allgeier than Bijan and that Bijan was still learning how to run in this scheme. I don't know if it's true but it was a poignant comment.
There was a lot of post-game chatter on twitter last night, none of which I have data to verify the accuracy about, that when Bijan was at Texas he primarily ran between the tackles and he was least effective running outside zone and 80% of his carries this season have been in outside zone.
Jesus. Sounds like awesome coaching. “You must fit my scheme.”

Most coaches really suck.
Generally I agree but there are other considerations, maybe the ZBS they are using is a better fit for Kirk Cousins and the rest of the offense.
 
Bijan lacks vision
Should move him to WR
Then they should move Allgeier to fullback. Dude only got 2 ypc against this team. Allgeier lacks vision to even get 3ypc. :rolleyes:
And yet, he averages 1.1 more yards per carry than Bijan on the season (5.4 to 4.3).
Keep in context. They were talking about last nights game so I decided to focus on Allgeier's one game performance and make a crazy statement. Hence the eyeroll.
 
What was clear to me is that Cousins never looked Bijan's way in the passing game. Only time he threw to him was on designed screens, not one dump off pass.
Well, that might be because London, Mooney, Pitts and McCloud were open all night long down the field, along with Cousins having time to throw most of the night.
 
Bijan is giving me a Reggie Bush vibe. The college tape was stunning. Seemed like a can't miss. Spectacular and so fun to watch. The NFL tape is looking like it doesn't translate so good.
 
Bijan is giving me a Reggie Bush vibe. The college tape was stunning. Seemed like a can't miss. Spectacular and so fun to watch. The NFL tape is looking like it doesn't translate so good.
He did just have a 1500 yard season with 8 tds. That translated okay..
Never thought he had the speed or power to get the generational level tag, like say Barkley, but he's kind of unique with decent enough power and speed and I sure felt he was worthy of being regarded as a big time RB prospect. And after a year and 5 games I still feel that way.

It's just not working out for fantasy right now for a few reasons but most notably the disappointing receiving and goal line work. Granted the rushing yards are not awesome but those are fairly low production stats for fantasy. He's only had 3 carries inside the 10 yard line all year, one target inside the 20. Sure you'd like to see him make a big play to get in the end zone but that's not a lot of really good chances he's received and he scored with one of them. This is not about Allgeier stealing them, he has zero TD runs. And then in the receiving game he's down to 3.8 targets a game which is way lower then I would ever expected considering that's such a strength of his game.

It's been a rough fantasy start and that's what we really care about here but for the most part, he looks like I thought would from a NFL player perspective.
 
Bijan is giving me a Reggie Bush vibe. The college tape was stunning. Seemed like a can't miss. Spectacular and so fun to watch. The NFL tape is looking like it doesn't translate so good.

Bush was a freakier athlete in some respects. He was an elite HS sprinter who clocked in the 4.3 range at his pro day and popped off a 40.5" vertical. He put up a lot of bench press reps as well. Guy was a freak athlete, but undersized with no functional power because he was top-heavy and light in general. The big issue with Reggie Bush is that he was never a three down back. Hindsight is 20/20, but even at USC they were using LenDale White for a lot of the short yardage and obvious running downs. There was a small, but vocal minority who said all along that Bush wasn't a complete back (not me). However, he at least had obvious ELITE physical qualities (speed and explosiveness). He was also very versatile with seemingly limitless potential as a pass catcher out of the backfield. There were some special qualities you could latch onto when building a bull case.

Bijan was touted as a generational type of prospect, but where does that show up in the physical profile? He has solid size at 215 pounds, but he's not really a BIG back ala Barkley, Chubb, or Henry. You wouldn't say his power is anything exceptional. He clocked a very good 40 time with a 4.46, but this is not true burner speed. Tomlinson, Peterson, and Barkley all ran faster. Barkley did a 4.40 in the 40 at 233 pounds, jumped 41" in the vertical, and then did 29 bench reps. He is the Pokemon evolution of Bijan. Tomlinson and Peterson had freaky explosiveness in the jumps and sprints at higher weight than Bijan.

This is sort of why I took exception to the pre-draft chatter about him. He was built up to a level that didn't match his actual traits.

All of these constant negative posts make it sound like I hate his game. I actually liked his tape and still think he's a good player who will have a strong career. I'm just continuing to harp on the idea that his reputation has always been slightly out of sync with his actual traits. He probably should've been a late 1 instead of a top 10 pick, which is a pretty narrow difference, but still a difference. There's no one area with him where you can say, "This is where he wins." He's just pretty good at everything. That has carried over to the NFL. He's been a good player for Atlanta. He just hasn't been special.
 
Bijan is giving me a Reggie Bush vibe. The college tape was stunning. Seemed like a can't miss. Spectacular and so fun to watch. The NFL tape is looking like it doesn't translate so good.

I've been thinking the exact same thing. Watching Bijan is like watching Bush his first couple years. He'd get the ball and be swarmed by a bunch of defenders and have nowhere to go. Then McAllister would get a carry and plod right through an open hole for 6-8 yards (similar-ish to Allgeier at times).
 
Bijan is giving me a Reggie Bush vibe. The college tape was stunning. Seemed like a can't miss. Spectacular and so fun to watch. The NFL tape is looking like it doesn't translate so good.
I think bijan had a better profile, Bush was small, particularly back then.

Sometimes guys just bust.

John Ross went 5th overall.
 
We’re entering that Halloween time of year, and Bijan’s been more of a trick than a treat. I’ve been trying to trade him in redraft for the past two weeks and no one’s biting. I was hoping for a lucky spike game to move him, but it just doesn’t look like we’re going to get one, if he couldn’t in last night’s offensive avalanche.

Bust.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Bijan Robinson and the Falcons rushing attack were neutralized once again. The Buccaneers held Atlanta to just 73 yards on 18 carries and Robinson rushed for 61 yards on 12 carries. For the second week in a row, the Falcons passed the ball considerably more than they ran it. While this would normally be a concern, it’s hard to complain when the passing game racked up 500 yards and the team won its second straight division matchup. Robinson’s lack of carries could be related to the game plan, but you have to wonder if he’s totally healthy.”
 
@32BeatWriters
“Bijan Robinson and the Falcons rushing attack were neutralized once again. The Buccaneers held Atlanta to just 73 yards on 18 carries and Robinson rushed for 61 yards on 12 carries. For the second week in a row, the Falcons passed the ball considerably more than they ran it. While this would normally be a concern, it’s hard to complain when the passing game racked up 500 yards and the team won its second straight division matchup. Robinson’s lack of carries could be related to the game plan, but you have to wonder if he’s totally healthy.”

That kind of sounds like 5.1 ypc. Not too bad...
 
not an owner, but the run/pass play-calling split is absurd

But they won both of those games, and against pretty good teams, so it's not likely they're motivated to change it. In fact the Falcons are in 1st place in their division despite playing the toughest schedule in the NFL. They haven't played a team under .500 yet. Their opponents are a combined 12-4 outside of their games against the Falcons.
 

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