dipandglide
Footballguy
Something looked off last year. Hall wasn't as explosive. I'm still buying and like the floor/ceiling combo if he's healthy.
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RB Breece Hall, NYJ (3 Viewers)
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TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
As a Hall shareholders, I agree. I think this is a tough year for him fantasy-wise. Fields only looks downfield and will take off before dumping the ball to Breece.
The line has not been great and I don't see Fields arm threatening enough for defenses not to stack the box. As a Cowboys fan and fantasy shareholder of Hall... I was really hoping Jerry would have made a play for him.
In dynasty, Breece is a hold because he is a free agent next year and anywhere is better than the Jets.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree with all that but also the clock is ticking…
That could be, especially Wilson, but I think its also possible that they just aren't as talented as people want them to be. Being on the Jets doesn't help, I agree, but I think these might be more good talents than great talents.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don’t know how he is post injury but I thought pre injury Breece was a top 3 NFL RB level talent.
Dez
Footballguy
2023 all over again
bluemanfoo
Footballguy
Personally, I don't question Breece's talent, but Aaron Glenn seems intent on following the Lions blueprint. That means RBBC unless the other options end up sucking. and I do see a world where Breece is so much better they can't keep him off the field. But I can also see a world where Fields and B. Allen score most the rushing TDs. High risk, high reward. I'm staying out of this one.
yellowboardog
Footballguy
The philosphy makes sense.. but is Allen = Montgomery?
bluemanfoo
Footballguy
Being a Lions; homer, I know no one thought much of Monty before he came to Detroit. And no one thought much of Jamaal Williams before he rushed for 17 TDs in 2022. I don't know how good Braelon Allen is. But Breece struggled in short yardage last year, and if Allen doesn't suck, I do think it will be a full blown RBBC.
Ditto.
I acquired Hall last year and his usage was puzzling. Not sure what was up with him, but I sometimes couldn't tell the difference between him and Allen unless I was focused on the back of their jerseys. I'm avoiding.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I think he is a bigger question than the talent around him. It is not clear he recovered his explosiveness after his injury. His metrics were still solid, but way off 2022. I think the Jets line should be massively improved. They could end up being pretty good. Fields certainly is a question as a passer, but not as a runner. Lamar being a threat to run the ball probably adds .5-1 ypc to Baltimore backs. Fields could do the same.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Isaiah Davis may be a better player than Allen.
I do think Fields and what should be the best OL he's had on the team will help him running but rushing numbers just don't do a whole lot for fantasy though.
Breece, on a fairly healthy 4.6 ypc, has averaged 5.8 fantasy points a game on rushing yardage. 36% of his fantasy production. Even if he improves half a yard rushing and kept the same per game carry pace it would only net him about a 6/10th of a point extra.
Need to score TD's and be involved in the passing game and both of these things are concerns with Fields and usage of Allen in particular near the goal line.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
'Braelon Allen is the play for the Jets'
Said it before but the reality of this guys season last year has taken a mythical turn hasn't it?
He was quite bad outside of 1 game.
Said it before but the reality of this guys season last year has taken a mythical turn hasn't it?
He was quite bad outside of 1 game.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Fingers crossed my league mates believe this
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I have a hard time believing Breece won't see the bulk of the carries but I don't think Fields will throw him the ball.
I don't think Braelon Allen is better than Isaiah Davis but I know neither of them are as good as Breece Hall.
I don't think Braelon Allen is better than Isaiah Davis but I know neither of them are as good as Breece Hall.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I think we are yet to see how good 21 year old Braelon Allen is.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Can't underestimate how poor the play calling was last year - when given any room Allen looked great yet they kept running him straight into the OL up the middle.
Everyone seems to be resigned that the new coach will put out a RBBC which has tanked Breece's value from last year but it still is unknown - could be a huge value pick if they run him as an alpha RB which is possible. Big risk big reward
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Sure, I am just going off what I saw from 20 year old Braelon Allen and comparing it to 24 year old Breece Hall and what I've seen from 23 year old Isaiah Davis, ya know?
Strictly talking about this year, where I expect Breece Hall to be the better player, while still not providing consistent fantasy value each week.
I expect Breece Hall to be gone next year.
Braelon Allen could be a goal line back but I still don't see how he will play a role in Fantasy Football, outside of further devaluing Breece Hall. The paragraph you didn't quote reads that way. Breece Hall is currently the most talented RB on that roster and I don't trust Fields to not use his legs under pressure.
I have a few (quite a few, actually) shares of Breece Hall in dynasty and keeper formats... I am not ready to panic sell assets to fill my RB need, but it won't take long. I will own zero shares in Redraft. What he did in 2023 should be acknowledged and I still think he's that player... he's just a Jet.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I can easily see Hall as having the second most receptions on the team. As of now, they have Wilson a rookie TE and a bunch of scrub WRs.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Dude, Fields averages 155 passing yards per game... I don't believe you can change the spots on a leopard. He just doesn't check the ball down ever.
Justin Fields played in 50 games and started 44... 977 passing yards to RBs. Not great. 12% of his career passing yardage has gone to RBs. Single game breakdown for Breece Hall (18 yards)? Pass.
Receptions to RBs looks like 3.5 to 4 per game.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
This speaks to his lack of processing right? He's always been slow on the read, then if the first option isn't there, the play falls apart.
Maybe the OC can design plays for Hall as the first option? That would at least manufacture the touches Hall owners will need. Otherwise it's Wilson as the only option on this offense for fantasy purposes.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
With the probably lack of catches along with the talk of more rotation, Hall’s prospects this year do not look good on paper. For dynasty players, it may present a nice buy opportunity if he struggles to produce in the early to mid portion of next year in hopes he flees to FA after the season.
IMO no, more that he has athleticism to get out of a jam whereas a less athletic QB needs an outlet more then one who can just take off and run.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Early Fields sucked at getting thru his progressions. Horrible at it. Locked onto receivers and held the ball too long, which manufactured pressures that shouldnt exist.
The good news for Fields is he is athletic and was able to turn these plays into chunk plays with his legs. I'll be honest, didn't watch much of him last year. Has this become a positive?
As said, I will hold Hall in Dynasty but don't think I can take him in redraft at his ADP.
