ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Not sure what your alternatives are, but I'd say so. Rams aren't a scary matchup, and if Commies have a negative gamescript Gibson could get even more work
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RB Brian Robinson Jr. - WAS (1 Viewer)
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Yeah, Gibson seems more trustworthy than McLaurin potentially?
rockaction
Footballguy
I’m thinking the same thing. He plays at the Jets in week 16 and then home agains SF in week 17. Not good.
I might pick up Rico Dowdel or Chase Brown. They both have some stand alone value and possibly much more if the starters miss time.
GrantK
Footballguy
Good point about weeks 16 & 17, no thanks. He left early in the Miami game on 12/03, had the bye week too and didn't practice at all, something's up for sure.
Already have Dowdle rostered and as usual waiver RB's are thin, Perine, Justice Hill, Jordan Mason are out there, might grab Mason as Eli can't stay healthy and is out this week.
I went to pick up Chase Brown and forgot he’s playing right now. I guess I’ll pick up Rico and monitor what Brown does. I fear he’s gonna get some garbage time points and make it harder for me to acquire him.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
They are gonna have to draft a RB this offseason. Gibson will be a free agent. Gonzalez hasn't had an impact. And Brian Robinson is older than would be expected (he's only 1 year younger than Gibson). The point being, if you are in a dynasty/keeper league I'd stay away from all these guys. They are gonna need a more electric RB.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Chris Rod-Wa-Gwaze averages 4.6 yards per carry.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I watch all their games. He has 1 100 yard game in 2 years. I'm not gonna look it up, but I think he has 1 receiving game with over 50 yards in 2 years. He will be on this team throughout his contract, but while he has quality vision the numbers simply aren't there for whatever reason. I predicted Gonzalez would take over this year. Hasn't happened though
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Gonzalez?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Gonzalez?
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
My bad. Rodriguez. Was doing other things at same time with a contractor named ... well.... Gonzalez
So it appears Ben Johnson will be the next Commanders coach.
Should that be the case, I see that as a huge bump to Robinson.
The offense has talent at the skilled positions.
Seems more than likely they will go QB at #2.
Should provide Robinson an uptick at GL looks. He would fill the "J Williams / Montgomery" roll in a Ben Johnson offense.
Should that be the case, I see that as a huge bump to Robinson.
The offense has talent at the skilled positions.
Seems more than likely they will go QB at #2.
Should provide Robinson an uptick at GL looks. He would fill the "J Williams / Montgomery" roll in a Ben Johnson offense.
Hence why I brought it up.
I just think Robinson has the potential to be a double digit TD RB in a system lead by Johnson.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I think they will draft a RB. They need more speed at the position. Robinson will certainly have a big role. I'm not so sure on Rodriquez, who I really like, but he seems a bit big and clunky for Johnson's offense. I know Montgomery is big but he seems more shifty to me. With Gibson gone they need to draft another one anyway, so it will play out in preseason.
One thing is for certain. Both SF and DET run the ball well. So with a GM and coach coming from those systems, I assume they will get an OL they can run the ball behind.
One thing is for certain. Both SF and DET run the ball well. So with a GM and coach coming from those systems, I assume they will get an OL they can run the ball behind.
jm192
Footballguy
I think he's probably underrated.
He had 1100 total yards and NINE touchdowns despite missing 2 games. He's been super inconsistent. He only broke 60 rushing yards 4 times all season. He had 1/3 of his receiving yards in 1 game. But if you're getting him as a flex play, he can return good value.
He had 1100 total yards and NINE touchdowns despite missing 2 games. He's been super inconsistent. He only broke 60 rushing yards 4 times all season. He had 1/3 of his receiving yards in 1 game. But if you're getting him as a flex play, he can return good value.
I think he returns great value as a guy you can draft as a late RB2, maybe even as an RB3, that could return RB1 numbers.
I see Ekeler as simply a replacement for Gibson. Therefore, I don't see much change in how you should view Robinson.
If you were high on him before, you probably should still be. If you were down on him, you probably are even more so now.
jm192
Footballguy
Tough one:
I figured some team would bring in Ekeler to be a 3rd down back. That seems to be the case. But he'll be a really good 3rd down back and eat into what Robinson was able to do in the passing game last year.
Robinson probably still dominates the ground touches. Just becomes a matter of how many there are. If the Commanders are bad and playing from behind a lot, he obviously won't have massive volume.
I figured some team would bring in Ekeler to be a 3rd down back. That seems to be the case. But he'll be a really good 3rd down back and eat into what Robinson was able to do in the passing game last year.
Robinson probably still dominates the ground touches. Just becomes a matter of how many there are. If the Commanders are bad and playing from behind a lot, he obviously won't have massive volume.
Disagree that Robinson “dominates” the ground touches. I see more 50/50. Assuming his ankle is healthy, Eckler is way better than Gibson as a runner and will cut into Robinson’s carries IMO.
jm192
Footballguy
You may be right. I thought Ekeler looked SLOW after coming back. Maybe he was never close to 100%.. But, with him turning 29 soon, I can't help but think he's slowed down some after years of high usage.
He was still effective in the passing game, that's why I figured he would do most of his work there.
But if he's 100% and has some burst back--he'll get ground touches.
I guess that's the main question at hand.
Last year was hard to gauge since Eckler got hurt the first game. Hopefully it was the ankle injury not healing and not age catching up. Doesn’t have a huge career workload so that shouldn’t be an issue.
The Anthony Lynn connection is important too. Don’t think they brought him in just to be a 3rd down back. Wasn’t sure how I felt about him signing with Washington when it happened but feeling OK about it now. Obviously he’s not elite any longer but can still be a decent RB 2 in PPR I think.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree entirely - IMO every other WAS RB is a COP or role-player. Eke is going to get every chance to carry the load in WAS. Would not be shocked by 50+ receptions.
That said, BR could carve out a short yardage role, which would make him a TD-dependent FF asset. But THAT said, Eke was pretty darn efficient in the RZ when he was with Lynn on the Chargers.
I'd guess Ekeler sees a 55/45 edge over Robinson. Robinson is an underrated RB, but Ekeler is a much better receiver, and has a nose for the endzone.
Ekeler's ankle never got right, and the Chargers OL was the worst in the NFL at run blocking.
With how run heavy Kingsbury is inside the 10 (most in the NFL as Cardinals play caller) I think there is room for both guys to be top-30 guys, with Ekeler maybe still being 15-20 in PPR.
Ekeler's ankle never got right, and the Chargers OL was the worst in the NFL at run blocking.
With how run heavy Kingsbury is inside the 10 (most in the NFL as Cardinals play caller) I think there is room for both guys to be top-30 guys, with Ekeler maybe still being 15-20 in PPR.
jm192
Footballguy
He helped me in several leagues last year, and I love him for it. He's a very good running back. Assuming Ekeler gets the passing game work (which I worry may not be a ton to begin with), Robinson will have to do most of his damage on the ground. Add in a fast/mobile QB that may steal red zone/goal line touchdowns--it's tough to envision some awesome finish.
I'm currently back and forth between Robinson and Warren. I think I'm leaning Warren as I suspect he'll get quite a bit of passing game work. He's also been more efficient with his rushing touches.
I'm currently back and forth between Robinson and Warren. I think I'm leaning Warren as I suspect he'll get quite a bit of passing game work. He's also been more efficient with his rushing touches.
markrc99
Footballguy
Some of this rings reminiscent of the threat Antonio Gibson was said to pose. While you could be right, the premise is to underrate this former 4-star recruit with a well-rounded skillset & suggest he's script-dependent. From earlier today:
"The Commanders also signed another very successful NFL running back (Austin Ekeler). However, Ekeler’s role should complement Robinson’s. He’s not in Washington to replace Robinson but instead to be a chance-of-pace back and extra receiving weapon for rookie quarterback Jayden Daniels. Kingsbury will run plenty of two tight-end sets in 2024, which should help the running game. While it’s difficult to predict Robinson’s numbers, if healthy, he should shatter his previous career-high of 797 yards."
30 Most Important Commanders of 2024: No. 13: Running back Brian Robinson Jr.
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This quote is Ekeler stating why Washington was seemingly a good fit.
"I was looking for someone who a had a 'back, that like someone who's solid that's there. That I could come in & also compliment & we can really bounce this thing off of each other." - Austin Ekeler
Now, before & after this comment he's emphasizing the importance of a defined role & fit. That was what he was looking for & that was what Washington told him they were looking for. With respect to departing LAC he said they, (Harbaugh & co. I assume), told him they wanted to go in a new direction & hand the ball off 300 times a year & that he might not be the right mold. Which he agreed with.
Love teams that add & I really like what this team has done. Looking back & then projecting ahead, I just don't see it that way. Last year was ownership's 1st year, appeared very calculating & methodical, assessing everything & everybody. Then they moved players, accrued draft capital & cleared some cap. The back end of it, a tank job to secure high draft picks. To better set up their new regime in a favorable situation. High on McLaurin & Daniels, gotta love where you can get Ekeler & Dotson, it could be them. I even like the TE they drafted.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s getting a lot of buzz lately.Some of this rings reminiscent of the threat Antonio Gibson was said to pose. While you could be right, the premise is to underrate this former 4-star recruit with a well-rounded skillset & suggest he's script-dependent. From earlier today:
"The Commanders also signed another very successful NFL running back (Austin Ekeler). However, Ekeler’s role should complement Robinson’s. He’s not in Washington to replace Robinson but instead to be a chance-of-pace back and extra receiving weapon for rookie quarterback Jayden Daniels. Kingsbury will run plenty of two tight-end sets in 2024, which should help the running game. While it’s difficult to predict Robinson’s numbers, if healthy, he should shatter his previous career-high of 797 yards."30 Most Important Commanders of 2024: No. 13: Running back Brian Robinson Jr.
We continue our look at the 30 most important Commanders for the upcoming 2024 season.
This quote is Ekeler stating why Washington was seemingly a good fit.
"I was looking for someone who a had a 'back, that like someone who's solid that's there. That I could come in & also compliment & we can really bounce this thing off of each other." - Austin Ekeler
Now, before & after this comment he's emphasizing the importance of a defined role & fit. That was what he was looking for & that was what Washington told him they were looking for. With respect to departing LAC he said they, (Harbaugh & co. I assume), told him they wanted to go in a new direction & hand the ball off 300 times a year & that he might not be the right mold. Which he agreed with.
Love teams that add & I really like what this team has done. Looking back & then projecting ahead, I just don't see it that way. Last year was ownership's 1st year, appeared very calculating & methodical, assessing everything & everybody. Then they moved players, accrued draft capital & cleared some cap. The back end of it, a tank job to secure high draft picks. To better set up their new regime in a favorable situation. High on McLaurin & Daniels, gotta love where you can get Ekeler & Dotson, it could be them. I even like the TE they drafted.
I get it. Eker is old. I wasn’t saying he has no chance to be relevant this year. He’s a great lottery ticket. Maybe a little higher floor than most. Right now he’s in a Pierce-ish position.
If Eke comes out and falls flat, there’s significant upside. But there’s a solid chance that Gordon returns to form - people seem to have forgotten how good he has been. 29 is no spring chicken though, and if I had my choice of one to own for dynasty it would be Robinson.
For redraft I’ll probably have a lot of shares (and none of Eke) so long as his ADP stays depressed. He’s one of my favorite late round RBs. I’m actually finding myself a little bit excited for the Commanders this year.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Market hates both the WA running backs and for no good reason. Somebody in this backfield is going to win leagues. Draft em both. Regardless of BB v Redraft.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I'm not saying Daniels will be to the running game what RG3 was for Alfred Morris, but a dual threat QB with an upgraded o-line and real coaching staff SHOULD help the commanders run game IMO. Washington could be a very fun team to watch and good assets to own this year 
take but some legitimate logic too.
take but some legitimate logic too.Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I'll reiterate why I thought they would get another RB ... I thought it would be via draft rather than Ekeler, but they did get one. ,, and that reason is Brian Robinson has one 100 yard game in 2 years.
He is not the bell cow everyone seems to want him to be. Not many RBs are these days. He has nice skills, but nothing stands out as special. He's gonna be part of a split carry backfield. He will be lucky to get 14 carries a game. So maybe 60 yards per game. And there are way more TD vultures this year with Jayden Daniels, TEs, and a new slot WR. Daniels being a rookie, Ds are gonna stack the box and blitz a ton. And Robinson is not a good pass blocker.
He is not the bell cow everyone seems to want him to be. Not many RBs are these days. He has nice skills, but nothing stands out as special. He's gonna be part of a split carry backfield. He will be lucky to get 14 carries a game. So maybe 60 yards per game. And there are way more TD vultures this year with Jayden Daniels, TEs, and a new slot WR. Daniels being a rookie, Ds are gonna stack the box and blitz a ton. And Robinson is not a good pass blocker.
In the 12 games in which he played at least 40% of the snaps, Robinson averaged 15.5 touches and 77.9 total yards per game. He quietly displayed a three-down skillset last season, proving that he can play on passing downs, ranking fifth in yards per route run and 12th in PFF's pass-blocking grade (minimum 20 targets and 50 pass-blocking snaps).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m gonna have a bunch of shares of this dude in redraft this year.
