WR Brian Thomas Jr., JAX (1 Viewer)

[Insein]

BTJ literally keeping me alive. I love this kid.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

With Mac Jones! Captain checkdown himself, and Thomas is still going off. PLEASE all I want for Christmas is for Lawrence to realize his potential in 2025.

 

[Insein]

There's really no reason he shouldn't have 15 targets a game.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

There's really no reason he shouldn't have 15 targets a game.

EXACTLY. Captain checkdown doesn't think so though. Even with Lawrence's early career struggles I'm drooling thinking about next year. Lawrence isn't afraid to throw deep, and he's not afraid to lock onto a receiver. Thomas is always open and a threat to take any touch the distance.

 

[Dizzy]

With Mac Jones! Captain checkdown himself, and Thomas is still going off. PLEASE all I want for Christmas is for Lawrence to realize his potential in 2025.

Lawrence better start realizing HIS OWN potential.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

With Mac Jones! Captain checkdown himself, and Thomas is still going off. PLEASE all I want for Christmas is for Lawrence to realize his potential in 2025.

Lawrence better start realizing HIS OWN potential.

That's what I meant, what I thought I wrote.

 

[Dizzy]

With Mac Jones! Captain checkdown himself, and Thomas is still going off. PLEASE all I want for Christmas is for Lawrence to realize his potential in 2025.

Lawrence better start realizing HIS OWN potential.

That's what I meant, what I thought I wrote.

OK. I read it as hoping hair boy recognizes BTJ's potential.

My bad. Carry on.

 

[Ilov80s]

God bless him, he's a league winner.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

With Mac Jones! Captain checkdown himself, and Thomas is still going off. PLEASE all I want for Christmas is for Lawrence to realize his potential in 2025.

Lawrence better start realizing HIS OWN potential.

That's what I meant, what I thought I wrote.

OK. I read it as hoping hair boy recognizes BTJ's potential.

My bad. Carry on.

I'm pretty sure Stevie Wonder could see BTJ's potential.

 

[mrfrood]

With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.

Is he up there with Nabers?

Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.

That’s certainly a legitimate opinion. I think I’d still take Nabers but the next jags HC and Giants QB will impact that. If Ben Johnson goes to Jax I’d have them very close.
Everyone here had BTjr as the 1.05 pick in non SF last year, right?

Pretty much. He was the 4th WR off the board in most dynasty drafts. If anyone would have known he would be able to attack all three levels in the NFL against zone or man though, where do you think he’d have gone? If we had do-overs, I would imagine Nabers, BTJ and Bowers would all see their fair share of top picks. All three look like can’t miss players at this point, but so far only BTJ has shown another gear to take it to the house from anywhere. I’d have a hard time passing on him.

I think he’d still be 5 in most leagues. Harrison would still go higher in many.
He went 5 in my non SF, 13th in my SF (I traded for the pick to get him) after the usual 4, 6 QBs, worthy and benson.

Last year’s draft might be the best in decades.

Maybe, but after watching him against NFL defenses, what are the concerns with him now? Pre-draft, it was that he needed to refine his route running, he was raw, had average YAC talent and doesn’t play physical.

After almost a year of watching him play, those concerns are laughable. Thomas Jr plays physical yet moves around like Ladd McConkey, yet he’s 6’3” and runs a 4.33! This guy is the closest thing I’ve seem to prime Josh Gordon since prime Josh Gordon.

Harrison Jr is playing like the player BTJ was reported to be.

I still like Chase and Jefferson more, but BTJ as a prospect isn’t far behind for me.

I am glad someone else sees Gordon.

 

[Ilov80s]

With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.

Is he up there with Nabers?

Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.

That’s certainly a legitimate opinion. I think I’d still take Nabers but the next jags HC and Giants QB will impact that. If Ben Johnson goes to Jax I’d have them very close.
Everyone here had BTjr as the 1.05 pick in non SF last year, right?

Pretty much. He was the 4th WR off the board in most dynasty drafts. If anyone would have known he would be able to attack all three levels in the NFL against zone or man though, where do you think he’d have gone? If we had do-overs, I would imagine Nabers, BTJ and Bowers would all see their fair share of top picks. All three look like can’t miss players at this point, but so far only BTJ has shown another gear to take it to the house from anywhere. I’d have a hard time passing on him.

I think he’d still be 5 in most leagues. Harrison would still go higher in many.
He went 5 in my non SF, 13th in my SF (I traded for the pick to get him) after the usual 4, 6 QBs, worthy and benson.

Last year’s draft might be the best in decades.

Maybe, but after watching him against NFL defenses, what are the concerns with him now? Pre-draft, it was that he needed to refine his route running, he was raw, had average YAC talent and doesn’t play physical.

After almost a year of watching him play, those concerns are laughable. Thomas Jr plays physical yet moves around like Ladd McConkey, yet he’s 6’3” and runs a 4.33! This guy is the closest thing I’ve seem to prime Josh Gordon since prime Josh Gordon.

Harrison Jr is playing like the player BTJ was reported to be.

I still like Chase and Jefferson more, but BTJ as a prospect isn’t far behind for me.

I am glad someone else sees Gordon.

Oh wow I can’t unsee the Josh Gordon-Brian Thomas comp now. How many rookie 1st round picks is he worth?

 

[BespokeJort]

He feels close to untradable in a “it’d be dumb to sell him for less than it’d be dumb to give for him” kind of way.

If I had an MHJ I might try to swap off name value

 

[Faust]

Underdog
Brian Thomas Jr. is up to 73/1,088/9 this season.

The only rookies in NFL history to surpass all of these marks...

2014 Odell Beckham Jr. (91/1305/12)
2021 Ja'Marr Chase (81/1455/13)

He still has 2 weeks left.

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[Insein]

Looks like he'll fall short of 100 today but still. Another excellent day. Easily my best draft pick this year in the 7th round.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Real deal

 

[Faust]

The 33rd Team
Rookies in NFL history to have 1,100+ Receiving Yards and 10+ Receiving TDs:

- Brian Thomas Jr.
- Ja'Marr Chase
- Odell Beckham Jr.
- Randy Moss

That's it

x.com

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[Uncle Leo]

The 33rd Team
Rookies in NFL history to have 1,100+ Receiving Yards and 10+ Receiving TDs:

- Brian Thomas Jr.
- Ja'Marr Chase
- Odell Beckham Jr.
- Randy Moss

That's it

x.com

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LSU, LSU, LSU, and Marshall

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The 33rd Team
Rookies in NFL history to have 1,100+ Receiving Yards and 10+ Receiving TDs:

- Brian Thomas Jr.
- Ja'Marr Chase
- Odell Beckham Jr.
- Randy Moss

That's it

x.com

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LSU, LSU, LSU, and Marshall

And JJ had 1400 and 7 a year before Chase’s rookie campaign. Nabers is just an honorary mention with 104, 1140 and 6 with a game to go. It’s extraordinary what that program is churning out at WR.

 

[rockaction]

If I had an MHJ I might try to swap off name value

I would wish everyone who is trying to do that the best of luck. Why would you move this guy for MHJ? So you can spend your Sundays watching Kyler pout? No thank you. I’ve got my BTJ and I’m sticking with him. I like him maybe better than Nabers, and I roster both in dynasty.

Nabers is a beast after the catch but that doesn’t quite matter as much as it does in college. We saw the excellence today, but who are the Giants drafting at QB?

I think fantasy WR goes Chase, Jefferson, Lamb, ARSB, Nabers, Thomas, Collins, Nacua

 

[BespokeJort]

If I had an MHJ I might try to swap off name value

I would wish everyone who is trying to do that the best of luck. Why would you move this guy for MHJ? So you can spend your Sundays watching Kyler pout? No thank you. I’ve got my BTJ and I’m sticking with him. I like him maybe better than Nabers, and I roster both in dynasty.

Nabers is a beast after the catch but that doesn’t quite matter as much as it does in college. We saw the excellence today, but who are the Giants drafting at QB?

I think fantasy WR goes Chase, Jefferson, Lamb, ARSB, Nabers, Thomas, Collins, Nacua

I don’t disagree with you. KTC has them as wr 8 and 9 though so it’s close enough to neck and neck for some people to float an offer out or see if you could add something nominal in some leagues.

Myself as a BTJ owner it’d take a 1st though so it may just be a trade that works on paper but isn’t happening

 

[rockaction]

If I had an MHJ I might try to swap off name value

I would wish everyone who is trying to do that the best of luck. Why would you move this guy for MHJ? So you can spend your Sundays watching Kyler pout? No thank you. I’ve got my BTJ and I’m sticking with him. I like him maybe better than Nabers, and I roster both in dynasty.

Nabers is a beast after the catch but that doesn’t quite matter as much as it does in college. We saw the excellence today, but who are the Giants drafting at QB?

I think fantasy WR goes Chase, Jefferson, Lamb, ARSB, Nabers, Thomas, Collins, Nacua

I don’t disagree with you. KTC has them as wr 8 and 9 though so it’s close enough to neck and neck for some people to float an offer out or see if you could add something nominal in some leagues.

Myself as a BTJ owner it’d take a 1st though so it may just be a trade that works on paper but isn’t happening

Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to crap on your scenario or the likelihood of it. It’s a perfectly legitimate point and a legitimate trade offer.

I was concentrating on saying what I would do after watching both for decent periods this year and reading a bunch of amateur film scouts about them. Thomas is a much better route runner than people were giving him credit for; MHJ was a touch overrated in certain technique departments (and speed a bit).

 

[BespokeJort]

If I had an MHJ I might try to swap off name value

I would wish everyone who is trying to do that the best of luck. Why would you move this guy for MHJ? So you can spend your Sundays watching Kyler pout? No thank you. I’ve got my BTJ and I’m sticking with him. I like him maybe better than Nabers, and I roster both in dynasty.

Nabers is a beast after the catch but that doesn’t quite matter as much as it does in college. We saw the excellence today, but who are the Giants drafting at QB?

I think fantasy WR goes Chase, Jefferson, Lamb, ARSB, Nabers, Thomas, Collins, Nacua

I don’t disagree with you. KTC has them as wr 8 and 9 though so it’s close enough to neck and neck for some people to float an offer out or see if you could add something nominal in some leagues.

Myself as a BTJ owner it’d take a 1st though so it may just be a trade that works on paper but isn’t happening

Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to crap on your scenario or the likelihood of it. It’s a perfectly legitimate point and a legitimate trade offer.

I was concentrating on saying what I would do after watching both for decent periods this year and reading a bunch of amateur film scouts about them. Thomas is a much better route runner than people were giving him credit for; MHJ was a touch overrated in certain technique departments (and speed a bit).

No offense taken! Your point that it’s probably harder to swing than it looks looking at the rankings is a good one.

I think our perspective on it is largely the same, it just seems like a significant portion of the market can be slow to adjust (btj just overtook mhj in their rankings a week or two ago iirc). But a lot of those type of rankings is people who own neither making lists when in reality most people who drafted the guy and watched him ball out aren’t looking to reroll

 

[rockaction]

But a lot of those type of rankings is people who own neither making lists when in reality most people who drafted the guy and watched him ball out aren’t looking to reroll

And even among diehards there are some more casual than others. I mean, my Twitter feed has amateur film scouts on it, and I heard two of them break down how good Thomas was around Week Two or Three, and they had been on him from the beginning (due to college film). So I went out and traded Micah Parsons (the #1 defensive IDP in dynasty) for him. Just a quick, easy deal. He’s paid massive dividends so far. I made the finals because of Brian Thomas, Jr. Just awesome.

So my point is that I’m scanning Twitter at one or two in the morning to get straight dope into my veins. (I’m not bragging—in fact, I’m sort of making fun of myself and life.) That’s a bit obsessive and I don’t expect people making the lists or doing KTC to necessarily be doing that. But I’m not trading BTJ for anybody but Chase and Jefferson right now. I won’t even trade him for CeeDee.

I just blabbered myself into ranking him third overall.

 

[pinkstapler]

Finally got around to putting in all of my season long bets today and while this is obviously very much influenced by the odds; I did bet for Thomas to have most regular season rookie receiving yards at +1300 and AP offensive rookie of the year at +4200. Never bets I'd make straight up, but suffice to say, I'm all in on this kid and a firm believer. I'm also still a very big TLaw apologist, so that colors my projection for him as well.

Well, Bowers had me nervous down the stretch, but this turned out to be a great odds bet that made up for the leagues I didn't win this year. Glad to have BTJ in all but one dynasty league.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

If Tyreek Hill, Randy Moss and AJ Green had a test tube baby, you'd have Brian Thomas Jr. I am not saying BTJ does everything better than any of these guys, but I am saying none of these guys had the skillset BTJ has and he has a chance to be that rare guy you're talking about for decades to come. His size, speed, acceleration, route running and toughness after the catch are the total package.

I was all about the Josh Gordon comp for a while, but the more I watch BTJ play, the more I see someone that is just different. Guys like this are rare. Guys like this are special. Guys like this are difficult to find just one comp for because they have skillsets that are superior and all-encompassing. Ja'Marr Chase is one of these guys.

 

[Dizzy]

If Tyreek Hill, Randy Moss and AJ Green had a test tube baby, you'd have Brian Thomas Jr. I am not saying BTJ does everything better than any of these guys, but I am saying none of these guys had the skillset BTJ has and he has a chance to be that rare guy you're talking about for decades to come. His size, speed, acceleration, route running and toughness after the catch are the total package.

I was all about the Josh Gordon comp for a while, but the more I watch BTJ play, the more I see someone that is just different. Guys like this are rare. Guys like this are special. Guys like this are difficult to find just one comp for because they have skillsets that are superior and all-encompassing. Ja'Marr Chase is one of these guys.

Hope you're right. Now the Jags need to find a QB.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

If Tyreek Hill, Randy Moss and AJ Green had a test tube baby, you'd have Brian Thomas Jr. I am not saying BTJ does everything better than any of these guys, but I am saying none of these guys had the skillset BTJ has and he has a chance to be that rare guy you're talking about for decades to come. His size, speed, acceleration, route running and toughness after the catch are the total package.

I was all about the Josh Gordon comp for a while, but the more I watch BTJ play, the more I see someone that is just different. Guys like this are rare. Guys like this are special. Guys like this are difficult to find just one comp for because they have skillsets that are superior and all-encompassing. Ja'Marr Chase is one of these guys.

Hope you're right. Now the Jags need to find a QB.

Based on what we’ve seen, I deserve to be flamed for this comment, but I believe Lawrence is that guy. Any case I raise for him will sound like excuse making, so I won’t go that route.

I’ll just say it’s my personal opinion they need to land a HC like Vrabel or Flores.

 

[Dizzy]

If Tyreek Hill, Randy Moss and AJ Green had a test tube baby, you'd have Brian Thomas Jr. I am not saying BTJ does everything better than any of these guys, but I am saying none of these guys had the skillset BTJ has and he has a chance to be that rare guy you're talking about for decades to come. His size, speed, acceleration, route running and toughness after the catch are the total package.

I was all about the Josh Gordon comp for a while, but the more I watch BTJ play, the more I see someone that is just different. Guys like this are rare. Guys like this are special. Guys like this are difficult to find just one comp for because they have skillsets that are superior and all-encompassing. Ja'Marr Chase is one of these guys.

Hope you're right. Now the Jags need to find a QB.

Based on what we’ve seen, I deserve to be flamed for this comment, but I believe Lawrence is that guy. Any case I raise for him will sound like excuse making, so I won’t go that route.

I’ll just say it’s my personal opinion they need to land a HC like Vrabel or Flores.

I thought BTJ became a superstar as soon as Mac Jones took over. Maybe it was just the timing of it with an ascending talent at WR, but I have been unimpressed with Trevor Lawrence to date. Seems like a serviceable back-up at this stage. Very "Alex Smith" in my mind (draft pedigree will carry him through an exceptionally adequate career).

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

If Tyreek Hill, Randy Moss and AJ Green had a test tube baby, you'd have Brian Thomas Jr. I am not saying BTJ does everything better than any of these guys, but I am saying none of these guys had the skillset BTJ has and he has a chance to be that rare guy you're talking about for decades to come. His size, speed, acceleration, route running and toughness after the catch are the total package.

I was all about the Josh Gordon comp for a while, but the more I watch BTJ play, the more I see someone that is just different. Guys like this are rare. Guys like this are special. Guys like this are difficult to find just one comp for because they have skillsets that are superior and all-encompassing. Ja'Marr Chase is one of these guys.

Hope you're right. Now the Jags need to find a QB.

Based on what we’ve seen, I deserve to be flamed for this comment, but I believe Lawrence is that guy. Any case I raise for him will sound like excuse making, so I won’t go that route.

I’ll just say it’s my personal opinion they need to land a HC like Vrabel or Flores.

I thought BTJ became a superstar as soon as Mac Jones took over. Maybe it was just the timing of it with an ascending talent at WR, but I have been unimpressed with Trevor Lawrence to date. Seems like a serviceable back-up at this stage. Very "Alex Smith" in my mind (draft pedigree will carry him through an exceptionally adequate career).

I don't think that's all necessarily true. BTJ jumped off the screen early on. He pretty much exploded onto the scene from the jump and just continued to grow as a player. As injuries in the WR room mounted, BTJ's opportunities also grew. BTJ ended the season on a high note with Jones for sure, but he also played with a chest injury (my guess is bruised ribs, broken ribs, torn cartilage, something) weeks 9-11. These 3 games also just happened to be his worst 3 week stretch this season. It was obvious BTJ became a focal point of the offense late, and this probably should have happened much earlier.

It wasn't until after the bye that BTJ really saw his targets skyrocket. Maybe I'm off base here, but I find it hard to believe this shift was simply because Mac Jones looked his way more often. This had to be a shift in coaching philosophy. Again, I could be way off base and completely wrong, but I just don't Mac Jones/BTJ as the next Kirk Cousins/JJ combo. Let's not forget, if Mac Jones was more accurate BTJ would have had several more long TDs. He was wide open for long gains or TDs on multiple occasions where MJ missed him.

FWIW, BTJ had a pretty nice run with TL weeks 4-8 against 5 pretty good defenses while he was still getting his feet wet.

I think we can all agree the book on TL isn't closed due to his talent and contract, and also that next year with another new coach will probably be the beginning of something special, or the beginning of the end for him in the NFL. He will still only be 25 at the start of next season. It feels like he's been around forever. If I'd bet blind, I would think he's closer to 35.

 

[Faust]

Austin Abbott
Brian Thomas Jr. almost had 1,300 yards as a ROOKIE with Mac Jones playing half the year..

Keep in mind:

Evan Engram got cut
Christian Kirk got traded

Notable Information:

176 Vacated Targets
Trevor Lawrence is Healthy

BTJ might actually be THE WR1 next year man

https://x.com/austinabbottff/status/1897828181794545836?s=61

 

[rockaction]

They've got to draft a receiver or sign one given their new head coach, right? Not that anybody should be put off by that; it just seems unreasonable for all competition for targets to have been removed on a team where the coach has a mind for the offensive side of the ball.

 

[travdogg]

They've got to draft a receiver or sign one given their new head coach, right? Not that anybody should be put off by that; it just seems unreasonable for all competition for targets to have been removed on a team where the coach has a mind for the offensive side of the ball.

I think there is a decent chance they go WR/TE at #5. They probably are getting at least 2 pass catchers this offseason, that are gonna slot ahead of Parker Washington. Possibly ahead of Gabe Davis too.

I like Brian Thomas, but he seems like a strong candidate to be overvalued (especially if there is WR1 overall chatter) I also think Coen's #1 offseason priority is to fix the run game.

 

[mjb03003]

If the offense has a highly drafted rookie and Coen’s system unlocks TLaw I would not be worried in the least about BTJ - I’d be excited that it would be one of the more high flying and pass heavy offenses in the league (a la Tampa Bay last year) and there’s plenty of fantasy goodness to go around for the pass catchers.

 

[King of the Jungle]

They've got to draft a receiver or sign one given their new head coach, right? Not that anybody should be put off by that; it just seems unreasonable for all competition for targets to have been removed on a team where the coach has a mind for the offensive side of the ball.

I think there is a decent chance they go WR/TE at #5. They probably are getting at least 2 pass catchers this offseason, that are gonna slot ahead of Parker Washington. Possibly ahead of Gabe Davis too.

I like Brian Thomas, but he seems like a strong candidate to be overvalued (especially if there is WR1 overall chatter) I also think Coen's #1 offseason priority is to fix the run game.

Are you saying you think they could go TE at 5?

 

[travdogg]

They've got to draft a receiver or sign one given their new head coach, right? Not that anybody should be put off by that; it just seems unreasonable for all competition for targets to have been removed on a team where the coach has a mind for the offensive side of the ball.

I think there is a decent chance they go WR/TE at #5. They probably are getting at least 2 pass catchers this offseason, that are gonna slot ahead of Parker Washington. Possibly ahead of Gabe Davis too.

I like Brian Thomas, but he seems like a strong candidate to be overvalued (especially if there is WR1 overall chatter) I also think Coen's #1 offseason priority is to fix the run game.

Are you saying you think they could go TE at 5?

More likely with a trade down, I should have said in round 1.

 

[King of the Jungle]

They've got to draft a receiver or sign one given their new head coach, right? Not that anybody should be put off by that; it just seems unreasonable for all competition for targets to have been removed on a team where the coach has a mind for the offensive side of the ball.

I think there is a decent chance they go WR/TE at #5. They probably are getting at least 2 pass catchers this offseason, that are gonna slot ahead of Parker Washington. Possibly ahead of Gabe Davis too.

I like Brian Thomas, but he seems like a strong candidate to be overvalued (especially if there is WR1 overall chatter) I also think Coen's #1 offseason priority is to fix the run game.

Are you saying you think they could go TE at 5?

More likely with a trade down, I should have said in round 1.

Do you think Tet is worthy of a top 5 pick in this draft?

 

[travdogg]

They've got to draft a receiver or sign one given their new head coach, right? Not that anybody should be put off by that; it just seems unreasonable for all competition for targets to have been removed on a team where the coach has a mind for the offensive side of the ball.

I think there is a decent chance they go WR/TE at #5. They probably are getting at least 2 pass catchers this offseason, that are gonna slot ahead of Parker Washington. Possibly ahead of Gabe Davis too.

I like Brian Thomas, but he seems like a strong candidate to be overvalued (especially if there is WR1 overall chatter) I also think Coen's #1 offseason priority is to fix the run game.

Are you saying you think they could go TE at 5?

More likely with a trade down, I should have said in round 1.

Do you think Tet is worthy of a top 5 pick in this draft?

I personally do, but I'm probably a little higher on him than consensus. I thought he did a lot on a team with no other NFL talent at the skill positions.

I see him between 4-12. Its really hard for me to see him falling past Dallas. Any of the 4-8 teams, NE, Jac, LV, NYJ, Car could take him.

 

[goose_egged]

Is the arrival of superstar talent Travis Hunter a good thing for BTJ, bad or neutral?

 

[mjb03003]

Is the arrival of superstar talent Travis Hunter a good thing for BTJ, bad or neutral?

My initial reaction is that they have so many available targets after the trades of Christian Kirk and Evan Engram that there is going to be plenty to go around. Another superstar talent that defenses have to pay attention to probably prevents Thomas Jr. from being keyed on too heavily. If you trust Coen to replicate the passing game success from TB, then there can be at least 2 stud pass catchers for fantasy in Jax.

 

[Buckna]

If he truly plays 2-way (which you have to think JAX will do given what they paid) I don't see a big impact to BTj and likely frees him up. If he goes WR only then could be an issue even with the vacated targets as TLaw just doesn't seem particularly good enough to support two stud WR's. JAX needed a WR after trading away Kirk so at least it's a good player who will draw coverage and most likely won't play full-time WR at the NFL level. Long-term can't see the 2-way lasting other than as an experiment or while he's young enough to think his body will handle it.

 

[pinkstapler]

Is the arrival of superstar talent Travis Hunter a good thing for BTJ, bad or neutral?

My initial reaction is that they have so many available targets after the trades of Christian Kirk and Evan Engram that there is going to be plenty to go around. Another superstar talent that defenses have to pay attention to probably prevents Thomas Jr. from being keyed on too heavily. If you trust Coen to replicate the passing game success from TB, then there can be at least 2 stud pass catchers for fantasy in Jax.

Good post, and feel the same. Plus they definitely seem committed to allowing Hunter to play both ways. So it's hard to imagine Hunter playing 90%+ of offensive snaps. BTJ will still be the firm WR1 and get the most opportunities. What he may lose in looks where they are both on the field, he should gain in quality of looks he gets seeing as defenses will NOT be able to just ignore Hunter when he is out there.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

 

[Ilov80s]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Maybe but he was the best receiver in college football last year so ruling him out at an NFL WR seems too skeptical. He could be very special.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Maybe but he was the best receiver in college football last year so ruling him out at an NFL WR seems too skeptical. He could be very special.

You think Thomas is going to slide into the WR2 role or complimentary Wide Receiver role?
60/800/4TDs after that sensational rookie performance?

How many WRs ever posted north of 85 catches, almost 1,300 yds and 10 Touchdowns as rookies?
How many ever did that over their careers let alone as a rookie?

I've seen many Wide Receivers post 13 yds per catch which is what Travis Hunter posted last year as the "Best WR in College Football"
You're not scaring me, only helps Thomas if he has someone across that draws coverage away from him.

I'm quite bullish on Thomas, would have to be someone like Chase across from him or JJ for me to think he was going to see a lot less targets.
I'm excited for Jax, should open up their offense and make them better overall.

Edit to add: "you" is not you "80s" it's the public at large - social media online, etc..when I say those things, don't take it personal
Cheers!

 

[sheerterror]

I'm going to try to buy Thomas "low" off the Hunter pick. Hopefully find a nervous owner who thinks this turns into a 1A/1B situation.

 

[sheerterror]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Maybe but he was the best receiver in college football last year so ruling him out at an NFL WR seems too skeptical. He could be very special.

True, but this has also been deemed a pretty weak WR class.

Out of curiosity, where do people think would Hunter have been drafted as a pure WR in last years class? Where would he have gone this year if he was only a WR?

 

[Terpman22]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Re the bolded I'm reading the exact opposite - that he is expected to be a part time CB and more full time WR

 

[Ilov80s]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Maybe but he was the best receiver in college football last year so ruling him out at an NFL WR seems too skeptical. He could be very special.

True, but this has also been deemed a pretty weak WR class.

Out of curiosity, where do people think would Hunter have been drafted as a pure WR in last years class? Where would he have gone this year if he was only a WR?

His per game numbers this year were pretty darn comparable to Harrison last year which is especially impressive considering he didn’t attend offensive meetings.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Re the bolded I'm reading the exact opposite - that he is expected to be a part time CB and more full time WR

And read closely how I view Hunter by the different last name insertion if that triggers any memories for some of the Sharks out there

-When is the last time a WR went at No 2? Hunter is not Ja'Marr Chase and IMO no slam dunk at Wide Receiver
I also grade this slightly against the franchise that drafted him, outside of a fluke year with Blake Bortles, not much has happened good under Khan as the owner.
If Hunter had gone to the Browns I might have thought even worse things

The Browns got an A+ last night passing on this guy and acquiring the Jags '26 1st Rd pick, best move the Browns have made in quite some time
I'm not rooting against Hunter or the Jags, in fact I believe the Jags will be fun to watch.

Still bullish on Thomas

 

[pinkstapler]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Maybe but he was the best receiver in college football last year so ruling him out at an NFL WR seems too skeptical. He could be very special.

True, but this has also been deemed a pretty weak WR class.

Out of curiosity, where do people think would Hunter have been drafted as a pure WR in last years class? Where would he have gone this year if he was only a WR?

I've heard most say he would have been in the same tier as MHJ, Nabors, Odunze; especially film watchers. People who only focus on analytics dinged him a bit more; I'd guess still in the BTJ/Ladd tier though. The "this is a weak WR class" was almost always attached to the caveat "Except Hunter, but we don't know what he's going to play or how he'll be deployed". And we still don't really; just that the odds shifted more towards WR based on the trade up and the amount of capital Jax just burned on him. You don't spend that on a CB, regardless of how good they are. It just doesn't happen.

There is a lot of very clear, logical evidence on why Sanders on a stat sheet didn't check every box metrics heads look for. There's also a reason most people who include film in their assessment said Sanders was far and away the best WR prospect this year; and comparing across years would have him as elite. Many have said with their grading numbers he is a better prospect than BTJ was coming out. Obviously BTJ exploded last year as a rookie and now most would have him ahead of Hunter because of the new evidence and taking all other new information into account.

I don't know where MOP is seeing anyone saying BTJ is being relegated to WR2 by Hunter. I haven't seen it anywhere, here included. Like I just said upthread "So it's hard to imagine Hunter playing 90%+ of offensive snaps. BTJ will still be the firm WR1 and get the most opportunities. What he may lose in looks where they are both on the field, he should gain in quality of looks he gets seeing as defenses will NOT be able to just ignore Hunter when he is out there."