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WR Brian Thomas Jr., JAX (1 Viewer)

The only two WRs I want more next season are named Jefferson and Chase. I don't see BTJ lasting past round 2 in most redrafts.
He’s a beast but that seems high to me. In redraft I’m still taking st brown, lamb, chase and JJ. He’ll probably be among the brown, hill, Wilson, MH jr, Odunze and puka tier.
I like having him as my presumed 4 in dyno right now behind Evans, DK and Garrett.
Lamb is giving me some cause for concern. Combination of mental attitude and Dak's decline. I wouldn't trade BT for Lamb right now,

MHJr is not setting the world on fire and has Murray at QB, Odunze has a lot of competition for targets.

Im high on BT , is he top 5?? Can argue that either way. Trevor needs to get his **** together to make that happen.
I've been wrong about Lamb for a while now, and he's been a great player to own in fantasy, but I agree with you the vibes with him in Dallas this season just seem different. I don't know if he ever really returns to the form we saw in 2023, but to be fair he's been one hell of a producer at WR and he's only 25. There's still plenty of room to grow as a player. This year could just be a speedbump, but personally I would rather take a chance on BTJ.

My point with BTJ is he's almost a top 5 WR already, and this was one of TL's worst seasons, Pederson is a lame duck, and many of BTJ's games were played with injury and/or Mac Jones at QB. I guess what I'm getting at is, I'm not sure it can get much worse for him (although I'm sure Malik Nabers is somewhere saying, "Hold my beer...")
 
TLaw is going to hold him back for the foreseeable future. As someone who drafted him in multiple leagues and love his talent, unfortunately I think you are looking at a Terry McL situation or early years Andre Johnson. All the talent in the world, bad QB that in this case the team is stuck with.
Something seemed wrong with Lawrence this year from week 1. He was moving weird, stiff, not fluid. I don't know if he went into the year injured or got hurt early or what, but his play fell off a cliff. Hopefully a summer to get healthy and a new coaching staff will do him good. He does some amazing things on the field, but he regressed terribly this season. It's anyone's guess why. I still believe he will get it right. He's only 25 and came into the league with an elite skillset, albeit pretty raw as well.
 
TLaw is going to hold him back for the foreseeable future. As someone who drafted him in multiple leagues and love his talent, unfortunately I think you are looking at a Terry McL situation or early years Andre Johnson. All the talent in the world, bad QB that in this case the team is stuck with.

My point with BTJ is he's almost a top 5 WR already, and this was one of TL's worst seasons,
TLaw is a staunch reminder that even “surefire” QB prospects aren’t, and how much team - GM, coach, owner, matters.

I was as big as anyone on Thomas last year and traded for him in one dynasty league. I do agree that he’s done really well in an otherwise bad year, but he’s 23rd ppg in my main league, PPR. Granted that’s with poor QB play, yet Nabers is out scoring him by almost 2ppg.
I think this is Lamb’s floor, still a top 10 WR.
I should have listed Puka in the top tier.
 
TLaw is going to hold him back for the foreseeable future. As someone who drafted him in multiple leagues and love his talent, unfortunately I think you are looking at a Terry McL situation or early years Andre Johnson. All the talent in the world, bad QB that in this case the team is stuck with.

My point with BTJ is he's almost a top 5 WR already, and this was one of TL's worst seasons,
TLaw is a staunch reminder that even “surefire” QB prospects aren’t, and how much team - GM, coach, owner, matters.

I was as big as anyone on Thomas last year and traded for him in one dynasty league. I do agree that he’s done really well in an otherwise bad year, but he’s 23rd ppg in my main league, PPR. Granted that’s with poor QB play, yet Nabers is out scoring him by almost 2ppg.
I think this is Lamb’s floor, still a top 10 WR.
I should have listed Puka in the top tier.
I only play non-PPR, but your point is well taken. His unsettled situation is much more impactful and worrisome in PPR.
 
TLaw is going to hold him back for the foreseeable future. As someone who drafted him in multiple leagues and love his talent, unfortunately I think you are looking at a Terry McL situation or early years Andre Johnson. All the talent in the world, bad QB that in this case the team is stuck with.

My point with BTJ is he's almost a top 5 WR already, and this was one of TL's worst seasons,
TLaw is a staunch reminder that even “surefire” QB prospects aren’t, and how much team - GM, coach, owner, matters.

I was as big as anyone on Thomas last year and traded for him in one dynasty league. I do agree that he’s done really well in an otherwise bad year, but he’s 23rd ppg in my main league, PPR. Granted that’s with poor QB play, yet Nabers is out scoring him by almost 2ppg.
I think this is Lamb’s floor, still a top 10 WR.
I should have listed Puka in the top tier.
I only play non-PPR, but your point is well taken. His unsettled situation is much more impactful and worrisome in PPR.
👍 Even with these concerns I think Thomas is a top 12 dynasty WR. I don’t think I’d trade him for McMillan or Hunter, even if we knew Hunter would play receiver full time.
 
TLaw is going to hold him back for the foreseeable future. As someone who drafted him in multiple leagues and love his talent, unfortunately I think you are looking at a Terry McL situation or early years Andre Johnson. All the talent in the world, bad QB that in this case the team is stuck with.

My point with BTJ is he's almost a top 5 WR already, and this was one of TL's worst seasons,
TLaw is a staunch reminder that even “surefire” QB prospects aren’t, and how much team - GM, coach, owner, matters.

I was as big as anyone on Thomas last year and traded for him in one dynasty league. I do agree that he’s done really well in an otherwise bad year, but he’s 23rd ppg in my main league, PPR. Granted that’s with poor QB play, yet Nabers is out scoring him by almost 2ppg.
I think this is Lamb’s floor, still a top 10 WR.
I should have listed Puka in the top tier.
Nabers advantage is because of targets though, averaging over 11 per game. Thomas has only gotten double digit targets in the last two games and has responded with very nice fantasy games. Even averaging those last two in he's only averaged 6.5 targets per game.
 
TLaw is going to hold him back for the foreseeable future. As someone who drafted him in multiple leagues and love his talent, unfortunately I think you are looking at a Terry McL situation or early years Andre Johnson. All the talent in the world, bad QB that in this case the team is stuck with.

My point with BTJ is he's almost a top 5 WR already, and this was one of TL's worst seasons,
TLaw is a staunch reminder that even “surefire” QB prospects aren’t, and how much team - GM, coach, owner, matters.

I was as big as anyone on Thomas last year and traded for him in one dynasty league. I do agree that he’s done really well in an otherwise bad year, but he’s 23rd ppg in my main league, PPR. Granted that’s with poor QB play, yet Nabers is out scoring him by almost 2ppg.
I think this is Lamb’s floor, still a top 10 WR.
I should have listed Puka in the top tier.
Nabers advantage is because of targets though, averaging over 11 per game. Thomas has only gotten double digit targets in the last two games and has responded with very nice fantasy games. Even averaging those last two in he's only averaged 6.5 targets per game.
Sure, targets are valuable. They have the same catch rate. Which QBs have been worse could be debated. Thomas gets a small bump because I’d sooner bet on Lawrence succeeding than whatever the giants can put out there right now but that could change.
Really though, both are doing what they did in college. Nabers was a reception machine, Thomas more of the big play threat - although somewhat surprising and I didn’t realize it until I just looked at the stats, Nabers actually had more yards per reception their last year together. The difference in touchdowns is probably as simple as 4”.
 
54/850/6TD on 85 targets...if you want to look at it one way, every target adds up to 10 yds and a FD
He's on pace for about 1,200 yds and 8 TDs, for a rookie WR on a crummy team with issues at QB for a variety of reasons and likely a coaching change coming...
I think he's been pretty spectacular and has a bright future in the NFL

In redraft next season, he will be off the board by the 4th round, perhaps even higher, that's pretty impressive
 
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TLaw is going to hold him back for the foreseeable future. As someone who drafted him in multiple leagues and love his talent, unfortunately I think you are looking at a Terry McL situation or early years Andre Johnson. All the talent in the world, bad QB that in this case the team is stuck with.

My point with BTJ is he's almost a top 5 WR already, and this was one of TL's worst seasons,
TLaw is a staunch reminder that even “surefire” QB prospects aren’t, and how much team - GM, coach, owner, matters.

I was as big as anyone on Thomas last year and traded for him in one dynasty league. I do agree that he’s done really well in an otherwise bad year, but he’s 23rd ppg in my main league, PPR. Granted that’s with poor QB play, yet Nabers is out scoring him by almost 2ppg.
I think this is Lamb’s floor, still a top 10 WR.
I should have listed Puka in the top tier.
I only play non-PPR, but your point is well taken. His unsettled situation is much more impactful and worrisome in PPR.
👍 Even with these concerns I think Thomas is a top 12 dynasty WR. I don’t think I’d trade him for McMillan or Hunter, even if we knew Hunter would play receiver full time.
I agree. I don't think there is a single 2025 dynasty prospect I would trade Thomas for straight up and that includes the RBs. I've seen what Thomas is capable of, and while guys like McMillan, Hunter and Jeanty are most certainly special athletes, Thomas could wind up the best in his class, and it was a very special class. I'm just so impressed at what he's showing so early in his career as a reported "project" at the position.
 
Are we worried about Jets D/Sauce this week? I haven’t been paying much attention
At this point in the season the last thing I worry about is who may or may not be covering my guy if I think he's good enough to beat anyone. It may be overthinking it.
Agree.

The Jets pass D has been mediocre all season with or without Sauce.

Mac also doesn't have many options to throw to: Engram out, G. Davis out. It's B. Thomas, P. Washington, or bust.

JAX is also moving him around quite a bit.

It's amazing how many long TDs this guy has missed out on. If he hits on just one of these one of these weeks or two he could win your matchup all by himself. Ceiling is too high to even think about sitting.
 
With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.
Is he up there with Nabers?
Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.
 
54/850/6TD on 85 targets...if you want to look at it one way, every target adds up to 10 yds and a FD
He's on pace for about 1,200 yds and 8 TDs, for a rookie WR on a crummy team with issues at QB for a variety of reasons and likely a coaching change coming...
I think he's been pretty spectacular and has a bright future in the NFL

In redraft next season, he will be off the board by the 4th round, perhaps even higher, that's pretty impressive
10/105/2TDs
:whistle:
 
Stud. Best receiver + situation in the draft. Wish I had some dynasty shares.
Same. I have him in 2 redrafts.

I traded my 1.5 in the offseason for Waddle., and that other team drafted Thomas Jr at my former pick. Seemed like a very good deal at the time but now…oof. Would love to have that pick back.
 
Stud. Best receiver + situation in the draft. Wish I had some dynasty shares.
Same. I have him in 2 redrafts.

I traded my 1.5 in the offseason for Waddle., and that other team drafted Thomas Jr at my former pick. Seemed like a very good deal at the time but now…oof. Would love to have that pick back.
I think Nabers has the talent - MH2 also probably.

But Murray is hot & cold, and Nabers has dreck to deal with at QB in NYG.

I still believe in Lawrence. Brighter days ahead. Especially with Thomas in the fold.
 
With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.
Is he up there with Nabers?
Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.
That’s certainly a legitimate opinion. I think I’d still take Nabers but the next jags HC and Giants QB will impact that. If Ben Johnson goes to Jax I’d have them very close.
Everyone here had BTjr as the 1.05 pick in non SF last year, right?
 
With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.
Is he up there with Nabers?
Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.
That’s certainly a legitimate opinion. I think I’d still take Nabers but the next jags HC and Giants QB will impact that. If Ben Johnson goes to Jax I’d have them very close.
Everyone here had BTjr as the 1.05 pick in non SF last year, right?
I won't list DEVY leagues, especially those that have a separate rookie draft from DEVY, but in my non-DEVY leagues he went 1.06, 1.07, and 1.08.
 
With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.
Is he up there with Nabers?
Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.
That’s certainly a legitimate opinion. I think I’d still take Nabers but the next jags HC and Giants QB will impact that. If Ben Johnson goes to Jax I’d have them very close.
Everyone here had BTjr as the 1.05 pick in non SF last year, right?
Pretty much. He was the 4th WR off the board in most dynasty drafts. If anyone would have known he would be able to attack all three levels in the NFL against zone or man though, where do you think he’d have gone? If we had do-overs, I would imagine Nabers, BTJ and Bowers would all see their fair share of top picks. All three look like can’t miss players at this point, but so far only BTJ has shown another gear to take it to the house from anywhere. I’d have a hard time passing on him.
 
With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.
Is he up there with Nabers?
Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.
That’s certainly a legitimate opinion. I think I’d still take Nabers but the next jags HC and Giants QB will impact that. If Ben Johnson goes to Jax I’d have them very close.
Everyone here had BTjr as the 1.05 pick in non SF last year, right?
Pretty much. He was the 4th WR off the board in most dynasty drafts. If anyone would have known he would be able to attack all three levels in the NFL against zone or man though, where do you think he’d have gone? If we had do-overs, I would imagine Nabers, BTJ and Bowers would all see their fair share of top picks. All three look like can’t miss players at this point, but so far only BTJ has shown another gear to take it to the house from anywhere. I’d have a hard time passing on him.
I think he’d still be 5 in most leagues. Harrison would still go higher in many.
He went 5 in my non SF, 13th in my SF (I traded for the pick to get him) after the usual 4, 6 QBs, worthy and benson.

Last year’s draft might be the best in decades.
 
With Mac Jones. Like I said. You need to pay through your nose in dynasty for this guy.
Is he up there with Nabers?
Easily in the same tier. They are different players, but if I had to choose right now I would choose Thomas Jr. Now, Nabers' route running and elite physical gifts are unquestioned, but the only real knock on Thomas Jr. was that he was raw and might initially struggle against NFL coverage. Almost from day 1, he's functioned as the team's #1 and has been facing the opposing team's best DB, getting double and tripled teamed all the while with terrible QB play, and he's still excelling. The one red flag that existed with him has been torched.

I don't want to get it twisted, I love Nabers too. If Sanders goes to NYG, Nabers could do absolutely special things. He hasn't even been able to show what he can do beyond 10 yards downfield. To me, Nabers is what Olave was always supposed to be. Thomas Jr. is Josh Gordon, you know, without all the drugs and stuff (I hope). He's a threat to score on every single play. Nabers possesses that kind of ability as well, he just hasn't gotten the opportunity to show it. If you can get Nabers at or below fair value from an impatient owner, do it! I think that ship has sailed with BTJ.

This is all just my opinion.
That’s certainly a legitimate opinion. I think I’d still take Nabers but the next jags HC and Giants QB will impact that. If Ben Johnson goes to Jax I’d have them very close.
Everyone here had BTjr as the 1.05 pick in non SF last year, right?
Pretty much. He was the 4th WR off the board in most dynasty drafts. If anyone would have known he would be able to attack all three levels in the NFL against zone or man though, where do you think he’d have gone? If we had do-overs, I would imagine Nabers, BTJ and Bowers would all see their fair share of top picks. All three look like can’t miss players at this point, but so far only BTJ has shown another gear to take it to the house from anywhere. I’d have a hard time passing on him.
I think he’d still be 5 in most leagues. Harrison would still go higher in many.
He went 5 in my non SF, 13th in my SF (I traded for the pick to get him) after the usual 4, 6 QBs, worthy and benson.

Last year’s draft might be the best in decades.
Maybe, but after watching him against NFL defenses, what are the concerns with him now? Pre-draft, it was that he needed to refine his route running, he was raw, had average YAC talent and doesn’t play physical.

After almost a year of watching him play, those concerns are laughable. Thomas Jr plays physical yet moves around like Ladd McConkey, yet he’s 6’3” and runs a 4.33! This guy is the closest thing I’ve seem to prime Josh Gordon since prime Josh Gordon.

Harrison Jr is playing like the player BTJ was reported to be.

I still like Chase and Jefferson more, but BTJ as a prospect isn’t far behind for me.
 
I got him at 1.11 in 1qb .5ppr. He went after all of Ladd/Worthy/Coleman as well as Brooks/Benson/Caleb and the big 4.

I’m not sure I prefer him to Nabers straight up but I’m not sure I smash accept if offered a swap either. And I’m certainly happier with BTJ at 1.11 investment level than I would be if I’d paid what it took to trade up
 
Took Jonathon Brooks over him in rookie draft LMAO- every dominant Brian Thomas game is a reminder that your dynasty WR depth is never a sure thing!
 
I traded away Monty, Kittle and Mattison for 1sts last year ( I know incredible) and I ended up with this draft

Nabers
Bowers
Thomas Jr
McConkey
Nix (first pick of 2nd round).
You want a damn cookie? Just kidding, great job!!!
 
Always enjoy re-ranking the rookies.

In a standard FFPC type format, which is one QB, TEP I had him and Brooks in their own tier as players 5 and 6 and I had a considerable tier drop off after. Of course MHJ, Nabers, Bowers and Odunze made up the top 4.

Now?

I'd actually have 5 of the 6 top 6 still in the top 5 which is a little unusual with Brooks the lone exception. Ladd's awesome, he'd be my new number 6, I'm sure a ton of people would take him over someone like Odunze and or even one of the others but I'd still have him beind that top tier. Bucky Irving also very good of course, the easy RB1 from this draft, but I'd still have him behing this group.

I'd have them ranked this way now, in order:

Tier one:

Bowers
Thomas
Nabers

Tier 2:

Odunze
MHJ

Tier 4:

Ladd

I got Thomas over Nabers because I'm concerned with the lenght of time Nabers missed with that conccussion and because in general he takes more of a beating and part of that is due to the other reason I prefer Thomas and that is he wins downfield more. A lot more, not close. I'm almost inclined to have Thomas listed in a whole tier above Nabers with Nabers in his own tier.
 
I got Thomas at 1.07, the big 3 WR, Bowers, Williams and Brooks all went before him. Very happy with him. I’d probably still trade him for Nabers straight up if given the option but I’d have to think about it. Would consider Bowers for him too. Wouldn’t trade him for anyone else in this class. Scary thing about Thomas is he’s got room to grow, we may not have seen his best yet.
 
I got Thomas at 1.07, the big 3 WR, Bowers, Williams and Brooks all went before him. Very happy with him. I’d probably still trade him for Nabers straight up if given the option but I’d have to think about it. Would consider Bowers for him too. Wouldn’t trade him for anyone else in this class. Scary thing about Thomas is he’s got room to grow, we may not have seen his best yet.
Being tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future may be the only negative. Trevor needs to start making strides to become the QB Jacksonville thought they were drafting.
 
I got Thomas at 1.07, the big 3 WR, Bowers, Williams and Brooks all went before him. Very happy with him. I’d probably still trade him for Nabers straight up if given the option but I’d have to think about it. Would consider Bowers for him too. Wouldn’t trade him for anyone else in this class. Scary thing about Thomas is he’s got room to grow, we may not have seen his best yet.
Being tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future may be the only negative. Trevor needs to start making strides to become the QB Jacksonville thought they were drafting.
When healthy he is probably a better NFL QB than he ever will be for fantasy. He's a career 63.3% passer averaging 230 yards per game with a 0.66% int percentage. He doesn't offer too much in rushing, only 18 yards per game.
 
I got Thomas at 1.07, the big 3 WR, Bowers, Williams and Brooks all went before him. Very happy with him. I’d probably still trade him for Nabers straight up if given the option but I’d have to think about it. Would consider Bowers for him too. Wouldn’t trade him for anyone else in this class. Scary thing about Thomas is he’s got room to grow, we may not have seen his best yet.
Being tied to TLaw for the foreseeable future may be the only negative. Trevor needs to start making strides to become the QB Jacksonville thought they were drafting.
I think TLaw is at worst an average NFL starting QB and that should be enough for Thomas to be a stud. Would be really nice to see the Jags offense take that next step though. Will have to be with a different staff. Ben Johnson would be nice.
 

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