WR Brian Thomas Jr., JAX (22 Viewers)

[Ministry of Pain]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Maybe but he was the best receiver in college football last year so ruling him out at an NFL WR seems too skeptical. He could be very special.

True, but this has also been deemed a pretty weak WR class.

Out of curiosity, where do people think would Hunter have been drafted as a pure WR in last years class? Where would he have gone this year if he was only a WR?

I've heard most say he would have been in the same tier as MHJ, Nabors, Odunze; especially film watchers. People who only focus on analytics dinged him a bit more; I'd guess still in the BTJ/Ladd tier though. The "this is a weak WR class" was almost always attached to the caveat "Except Hunter, but we don't know what he's going to play or how he'll be deployed". And we still don't really; just that the odds shifted more towards WR based on the trade up and the amount of capital Jax just burned on him. You don't spend that on a CB, regardless of how good they are. It just doesn't happen.

There is a lot of very clear, logical evidence on why Sanders on a stat sheet didn't check every box metrics heads look for. There's also a reason most people who include film in their assessment said Sanders was far and away the best WR prospect this year; and comparing across years would have him as elite. Many have said with their grading numbers he is a better prospect than BTJ was coming out. Obviously BTJ exploded last year as a rookie and now most would have him ahead of Hunter because of the new evidence and taking all other new information into account.

I don't know where MOP is seeing anyone saying BTJ is being relegated to WR2 by Hunter. I haven't seen it anywhere, here included. Like I just said upthread "So it's hard to imagine Hunter playing 90%+ of offensive snaps. BTJ will still be the firm WR1 and get the most opportunities. What he may lose in looks where they are both on the field, he should gain in quality of looks he gets seeing as defenses will NOT be able to just ignore Hunter when he is out there."

Hey Pink,
I see a lot of posters are excited about Hunter as a rookie Wide Receiver so I am trying to get an idea what type of numbers folks are projecting for Hunter in 2025
I'm a Redraft Warrior and all I care about for the most part is what they are going to do this year vs more long term thinkers that compete in Dynasty

So does anyone want to make a projection for Hunter or is it just too soon?
Are we talking about 2 Wide receivers in Jacksonville going over 1,000 yds receiving? That hasn't happened since McCardell-Jimmy Smith?

I appreciate you asking for more clarity on what I posted. Hunter was taken No 2 overall last night so naturally there is going to be some major hype, I should expect it
Is Hunter a single digit round guy for Redraft? What impact will it have on Thomas and his draft spot?
What if the first camp report isn't glowing on Hunter's ability to gain separation?

Some folks gotta pick real quick in Dynasty so i would think most of them would want to hear or see some actual hard numbers for expectations
Rookie Dynasty, where does Hunter rank? I bet it's pretty high

 

[pinkstapler]

Brian Thomas is a total stud and showed us as a Rookie...are we really going to start short changing him because Travis Hunter was taken?
I love this place

Jesus, Mary and Joesph I swear to God...look at Hunter's numbers closely, he's not the same Receiver that Thomas is, not even close IMHO.
Thomas is going to be the WR1-Alpha and Hunter will have some moments but he's not the guy that rips the cover off the back end of a defense the way Brian Thomas can
Hunter is a starting CB and part time Wide Receiver
His TD total last season has him confused like he's a frontline Wide Receiver, I really doubt his receiving skills in the NFL
Travis Harvin is going to be a fun talk piece for the media heads on TV to hype

87/1282/10TD on a bad team as a rookie WR in the NFL
Not many Wide Receivers can claim anything close to these numbers as a Rookie, I said not many...

Maybe but he was the best receiver in college football last year so ruling him out at an NFL WR seems too skeptical. He could be very special.

True, but this has also been deemed a pretty weak WR class.

Out of curiosity, where do people think would Hunter have been drafted as a pure WR in last years class? Where would he have gone this year if he was only a WR?

I've heard most say he would have been in the same tier as MHJ, Nabors, Odunze; especially film watchers. People who only focus on analytics dinged him a bit more; I'd guess still in the BTJ/Ladd tier though. The "this is a weak WR class" was almost always attached to the caveat "Except Hunter, but we don't know what he's going to play or how he'll be deployed". And we still don't really; just that the odds shifted more towards WR based on the trade up and the amount of capital Jax just burned on him. You don't spend that on a CB, regardless of how good they are. It just doesn't happen.

There is a lot of very clear, logical evidence on why Sanders on a stat sheet didn't check every box metrics heads look for. There's also a reason most people who include film in their assessment said Sanders was far and away the best WR prospect this year; and comparing across years would have him as elite. Many have said with their grading numbers he is a better prospect than BTJ was coming out. Obviously BTJ exploded last year as a rookie and now most would have him ahead of Hunter because of the new evidence and taking all other new information into account.

I don't know where MOP is seeing anyone saying BTJ is being relegated to WR2 by Hunter. I haven't seen it anywhere, here included. Like I just said upthread "So it's hard to imagine Hunter playing 90%+ of offensive snaps. BTJ will still be the firm WR1 and get the most opportunities. What he may lose in looks where they are both on the field, he should gain in quality of looks he gets seeing as defenses will NOT be able to just ignore Hunter when he is out there."

Hey Pink,
I see a lot of posters are excited about Hunter as a rookie Wide Receiver so I am trying to get an idea what type of numbers folks are projecting for Hunter in 2025
I'm a Redraft Warrior and all I care about for the most part is what they are going to do this year vs more long term thinkers that compete in Dynasty

So does anyone want to make a projection for Hunter or is it just too soon?
Are we talking about 2 Wide receivers in Jacksonville going over 1,000 yds receiving? That hasn't happened since McCardell-Jimmy Smith?

I appreciate you asking for more clarity on what I posted. Hunter was taken No 2 overall last night so naturally there is going to be some major hype, I should expect it
Is Hunter a single digit round guy for Redraft? What impact will it have on Thomas and his draft spot?
What if the first camp report isn't glowing on Hunter's ability to gain separation?

Some folks gotta pick real quick in Dynasty so i would think most of them would want to hear or see some actual hard numbers for expectations
Rookie Dynasty, where does Hunter rank? I bet it's pretty high

Such a broad range of outcomes and it feels so volitile projections will probably have a huge spread. I was never great at even trying to do them myself, at least not until players established a role and had a history with a team.

I would feel comfortable basically projecting no change for BTJ though. I think his ADP in redraft and dynasty should stay about where it is, and I wouldn't expect him to lose much, if any, fantasy production. I think we could see maybe targets take a slight ding (but even this feels unlikely since they shoved off Kirk and Engram, so there are more than enough vacated targets to redistribute), but I think his quality of targets will improve when defenses have to also account for Hunter. I guess we could rationalize this might help him, as historically rookie WRs who breakout big year one take a little dip as opposing defenses now have a season of NFL level tape on them and adjust schemes to put more of a defensive focus on taking them out/limiting them in the game. Hunter coming in should help stop that from happening to BTJ. I think he will move the needle much more than Kirk or even Engram did.

I'm incredibly torn on where to take Hunter, as I have a tendency to play it safer with my 1st round draft rookie picks. I feel like a huge miss on a first round pick could really damage a team, especially in dynasty. But even in seasonal leagues, whiffing on your first round pick just puts you at a pretty big disadvantage to those other league members who didn't IMO. You need to have done very well later in the draft, and often work waivers/trades to make up for it. So though I think Hunters talent level and solid landing spot (I'm still a TLaw believer, and think BTJ there is a good thing for Hunter) warrant a draft capital of anywhere from 1.03 to 1.10 (this range will shrink either on the high end or the low end depending how day 2 of the NFL draft shakes out), I'm just not sure I myself could pull the trigger on him there. At least not in the upper part of that range. Depending what we see tonight in round 2 of the NFL draft, I'd imagine I'd start to think it worthwhile to take him around 1.06. Just when I'm on the clock and there's a gun to my head, I could see me thinking it's safer to just take Judkins/Henderson/KJ/or even Skattebo depending on their draft capital and landing spots. As for WRs, as of now I think I'd only have Egbuka ahead of him though. I'm not a Tet or Golden guy. Burden in a good spot I could put ahead of Hunter. But that's probably about the line there too.

 

[IHEARTFF]

I don't think the Eagles mind having 2 elite WRs

 

[Faust]

Michael DiRocco
Jaguars WR Brian Thomas Jr. was down on the ground after landing hand after a pass play that was broken up by Tyson Campbell. He’s heading off the field and going inside.

https://x.com/espndirocco/status/1932802464056787087?s=61

 

[fatness]

Michael DiRocco
Jaguars WR Brian Thomas Jr. was down on the ground after landing hand after a pass play that was broken up by Tyson Campbell. He’s heading off the field and going inside.

https://x.com/espndirocco/status/1932802464056787087?s=61

Hope it's just a minor injury. Thomas is really exciting to watch.
Tyson Campbell sounds like a brand of chicken soup.

 

[Faust]

Michael DiRocco
Thomas is back out on the sideline with his helmet.

https://x.com/espndirocco/status/1932806340935590305?s=61

 

[Faust]

Jaguars' Brian Thomas Jr. 'not resting' after stellar rookie season; WR helping guide Travis Hunter

 

[jm192]

I've got him at WR8. Maybe that's too low. I'm wrestling with feeling like all of Nico, BTJ, London, and AJ Brown are all too low.

Thomas is probably a few spots higher if he's still the only talent in town. I had initially mentally pushed him down a bit since they brought in Hunter at #2 overall. Now I'm questioning how they're going to even use Hunter. Is he a full time WR?

Certainly, Coen's offense in TB supported 2 really good fantasy receivers.

Upside case:
Over his Final 7 games: 77 targets, 50 receptions, 675 yards, 5 TD’s
Extrapolated, that comes out to : 187 Targets, 121 Receptions, 1639 yards, 12 TD’s in 17 games.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I've got him at WR8. Maybe that's too low. I'm wrestling with feeling like all of Nico, BTJ, London, and AJ Brown are all too low.

Thomas is probably a few spots higher if he's still the only talent in town. I had initially mentally pushed him down a bit since they brought in Hunter at #2 overall. Now I'm questioning how they're going to even use Hunter. Is he a full time WR?

Certainly, Coen's offense in TB supported 2 really good fantasy receivers.

Upside case:
Over his Final 7 games: 77 targets, 50 receptions, 675 yards, 5 TD’s
Extrapolated, that comes out to : 187 Targets, 121 Receptions, 1639 yards, 12 TD’s in 17 games.

I am starting to think Hunter is not too much of a negative as he seems reluctant to choose one side or another. Also a much different receiver, Thomas is a safe bet imo. Overlooked him and McConkey last year and have regrets.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I've got him at WR8. Maybe that's too low. I'm wrestling with feeling like all of Nico, BTJ, London, and AJ Brown are all too low.

Thomas is probably a few spots higher if he's still the only talent in town. I had initially mentally pushed him down a bit since they brought in Hunter at #2 overall. Now I'm questioning how they're going to even use Hunter. Is he a full time WR?

Certainly, Coen's offense in TB supported 2 really good fantasy receivers.

Upside case:
Over his Final 7 games: 77 targets, 50 receptions, 675 yards, 5 TD’s
Extrapolated, that comes out to : 187 Targets, 121 Receptions, 1639 yards, 12 TD’s in 17 games.

I am starting to think Hunter is not too much of a negative as he seems reluctant to choose one side or another. Also a much different receiver, Thomas is a safe bet imo. Overlooked him and McConkey last year and have regrets.

If anything I believe Hunter helps BTJ with whatever coverage he can draw.

BTJ did that last year with the ghost of Gabe Davis on the other side.

I couldn’t believe my luck when BTJ slid to 2.09 in a recent startup to pair with Burrow. I almost sold my entire future for Chase. Glad I waited instead.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I've got him at WR8. Maybe that's too low. I'm wrestling with feeling like all of Nico, BTJ, London, and AJ Brown are all too low.

Thomas is probably a few spots higher if he's still the only talent in town. I had initially mentally pushed him down a bit since they brought in Hunter at #2 overall. Now I'm questioning how they're going to even use Hunter. Is he a full time WR?

Certainly, Coen's offense in TB supported 2 really good fantasy receivers.

Upside case:
Over his Final 7 games: 77 targets, 50 receptions, 675 yards, 5 TD’s
Extrapolated, that comes out to : 187 Targets, 121 Receptions, 1639 yards, 12 TD’s in 17 games.

I am starting to think Hunter is not too much of a negative as he seems reluctant to choose one side or another. Also a much different receiver, Thomas is a safe bet imo. Overlooked him and McConkey last year and have regrets.

If anything I believe Hunter helps BTJ with whatever coverage he can draw.

BTJ did that last year with the ghost of Gabe Davis on the other side.

I couldn’t believe my luck when BTJ slid to 2.09 in a recent startup to pair with Burrow. I almost sold my entire future for Chase. Glad I waited instead.

Good choice. What round for Burrow (SF or 1QB)?

 

[menobrown]

I've got him at WR8. Maybe that's too low. I'm wrestling with feeling like all of Nico, BTJ, London, and AJ Brown are all too low.

Thomas is probably a few spots higher if he's still the only talent in town. I had initially mentally pushed him down a bit since they brought in Hunter at #2 overall. Now I'm questioning how they're going to even use Hunter. Is he a full time WR?

Certainly, Coen's offense in TB supported 2 really good fantasy receivers.

Upside case:
Over his Final 7 games: 77 targets, 50 receptions, 675 yards, 5 TD’s
Extrapolated, that comes out to : 187 Targets, 121 Receptions, 1639 yards, 12 TD’s in 17 games.

I am starting to think Hunter is not too much of a negative as he seems reluctant to choose one side or another. Also a much different receiver, Thomas is a safe bet imo. Overlooked him and McConkey last year and have regrets.

If anything I believe Hunter helps BTJ with whatever coverage he can draw.

BTJ did that last year with the ghost of Gabe Davis on the other side.

I couldn’t believe my luck when BTJ slid to 2.09 in a recent startup to pair with Burrow. I almost sold my entire future for Chase. Glad I waited instead.

In the camp not one iota concerned with Hunter negatively impacting BTJ.

I got some kind of concern with each and every WR I have ranked between WR 3-6, which includes BTJ. At this point not enough to move one down to WR7 but it's close.

With BTJ my concern is simply his week 15 and 16 matchups against Denver(Surtain and company) and the Jets (Sauce). Depending on your league these weeks may not be as impactful but in the national type contest I mainly play redraft these are the championship round money weeks and with a player I'd pick this I'd not be looking for ok or adequate. Hunter might actually help him in these matchups.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good choice. What round for Burrow (SF or 1QB)?

SF - Burow 1.04, BTJ 2.09

Believe me I was tempted to sell my soul for the stack, but the price was just too high.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

With BTJ my concern is simply his week 15 and 16 matchups against Denver(Surtain and company) and the Jets (Sauce)

For me the concern is whether TLaw can take the next step or if he proves to be a super JAG.

Jury’s out.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Good choice. What round for Burrow (SF or 1QB)?

SF - Burow 1.04, BTJ 2.09

Believe me I was tempted to sell my soul for the stack, but the price was just too high.

Good choice imo, probably will work out best long term.

 

[menobrown]

With BTJ my concern is simply his week 15 and 16 matchups against Denver(Surtain and company) and the Jets (Sauce)

For me the concern is whether TLaw can take the next step or if he proves to be a super JAG.

Jury’s out.

As it relates to BTJ he broke out with Mac Jones so not really concerned if Trevor can get back to playing like he did two years ago or not.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As it relates to BTJ he broke out with Mac Jones so not really concerned if Trevor can get back to playing like he did two years ago or not.

Yeah facts.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Hands down he was the best looking rookie WR in terms of potential explosiveness IMHO
Now I also acknowledge McConkey but I like Thomas a lot and think his best days are ahead of him
I wouldn't pay Hunter much attention this season, it's gonna take him some time to be an NFL WR, that's just my opinion, many take the other side

I thinkThomas might be going a little high in the last 1st/early 2nd but that's what happens when you find success early in your career.
133 targets last season, you can shave that down to whatever you want but he's a good candidate for 1,000+ yds, he has 10 TDs last season, OK slice it to 7. And he still will catch 70 balls
And I think he can go over those but much will depend on the new HC and TLaw

 

[H8fulHuck]

What a difference a coach makes.

Got in early and often for BTJ and Hunter this summer in best ball. Hunter is my clear #1 rookie WR. See them as complimentary with plenty of targets for each. BTJ feels like a solid pick late 1st or early 2nd with a very high floor.

Cherry on top. Jax D on paper is weak sauce. Can see the offense running hot and fast all season. They’ll need all the points they can get.

Sour cherries worry.

• Playoff weeks vs Jets and Denver are concerning. Would be brutal to tear it up in the regular season to get hit with duds when you need points the most.
• Is Trevor good enough to get the most out of the offensive
• Will Hunter playing Defense tarnish what could have been

 

[Faust]

What to expect from Jaguars receiver Brian Thomas Jr. in 2025

 

[Jmiller21kg]

1 catch on 7 targets. The Trevor Lawrence experience.

 

[efactor]

1 catch on 7 targets. The Trevor Lawrence experience.

That was my concern when I drafted him. Thomas misses Mac Jones

 

[Uncle Leo]

Hunter got 8 targets. He was able to catch 6 of them, but only for 30 some yards.

 

[rockaction]

Such an ugly stat line. I saw where Trevor Lawrence throws to his first read an extraordinary percentage of the time - 70% IIRC - so as Liam Coen goes, Thomas goes.

 

[rockaction]

https://x.com/CoachspeakIndex/status/1965113818872439234

Oof. This is Liam Coen describing all of Lawrence's missed throws.

 

[eighsse2]

Kind of reminds me of the first game of Lamb's third season. 2 receptions for 29 yards on 11 targets. It happens to the best sometimes.

 

[Chardo1]

I would be buying Thomas from anyone dumb enough to be selling.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If there’s a stat for talent of player inversely related to quality of passes thrown at him this guy would be leading by a mile.

Man it is frustrating watching Lawrence fling it all over the place.

 

[rockaction]

You what's crazy? I watched a draft video of this past year's draft and saw a segment on Travis Hunter and the Jags' GM. I might be a seller of Thomas. They gave up so much for Hunter that it was a staggeringly bad trade unless he plays both ways and gets fed on offense. I mean, I'll link the video for anybody interested and if you can watch this without worrying about your Thomas shares knowing that Coen designs and schemes his guy in the slot a lot of routes and first reads and touches then you're a better man than me.

This is probably one of the best videos you'll watch about the NFL Draft. It has a first-part companion that sets it up but you can find it on the site. I'd watch the companion piece first, but if you can't find it still check this out. But listen to the Jaguars' GM on Hunter. I'm nearly ill.

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[cheese]

Such an ugly stat line. I saw where Trevor Lawrence throws to his first read an extraordinary percentage of the time - 70% IIRC - so as Liam Coen goes, Thomas goes.

I would be more worried about it being "as Shane Waldron goes, Thomas goes". This guy has been a death sentence for WR fantasy production.

 

[rockaction]

Such an ugly stat line. I saw where Trevor Lawrence throws to his first read an extraordinary percentage of the time - 70% IIRC - so as Liam Coen goes, Thomas goes.

I would be more worried about it being "as Shane Waldron goes, Thomas goes". This guy has been a death sentence for WR fantasy production.

I mean, I saw that on X and thought Hartitz was kidding. He's not? What in the absolute **** are they doing hiring that guy?

 

[cheese]

Definitely not a joke. Coen and Waldron were together with the Rams for 2018-2020 so he gave his buddy a soft landing spot, unfortunately for Jags fans.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Where was all of this kind of important information when every expert under the sun was drafting, and telling everyone to draft, Thomas at the 1-2 turn? This stuff always seem to emerge into the overall consciousness weeks after it would have been pretty useful. Sucks. I did get him end of round 2 but already regretting it, Lawrence is useless and that parts on me.

 

[rockaction]

Where was all of this kind of important information when every expert under the sun was drafting, and telling everyone to draft, Thomas at the 1-2 turn? This stuff always seem to emerge into the overall consciousness weeks after it would have been pretty useful. Sucks. I did get him end of round 2 but already regretting it, Lawrence is useless and that parts on me.

These guys can only do so much research. It took me like five months to find video of the GM of the Jags looking and talking like he wanted to fellate Hunter. And I didn’t realize exactly how much trade value they gave up for Hunter. I was really disappointed when they drafted him and thought it meant Thomas was second fiddle but everyone reassured me it was okay. My first instinct was the better one, but how does some employee barely getting paid for fantasy advice know that?

It’s a crap shoot sometimes.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Where was all of this kind of important information when every expert under the sun was drafting, and telling everyone to draft, Thomas at the 1-2 turn? This stuff always seem to emerge into the overall consciousness weeks after it would have been pretty useful. Sucks. I did get him end of round 2 but already regretting it, Lawrence is useless and that parts on me.

These guys can only do so much research. It took me like five months to find video of the GM of the Jags looking and talking like he wanted to fellate Hunter. And I didn’t realize exactly how much trade value they gave up for Hunter. I was really disappointed when they drafted him and thought it meant Thomas was second fiddle but everyone reassured me it was okay. My first instinct was the better one, but how does some employee barely getting paid for fantasy advice know that?

It’s a crap shoot sometimes.

8 vs 7 targets in week 1 convinced you that your first instinct was correct? Jesus man.

 

[rockaction]

Where was all of this kind of important information when every expert under the sun was drafting, and telling everyone to draft, Thomas at the 1-2 turn? This stuff always seem to emerge into the overall consciousness weeks after it would have been pretty useful. Sucks. I did get him end of round 2 but already regretting it, Lawrence is useless and that parts on me.

These guys can only do so much research. It took me like five months to find video of the GM of the Jags looking and talking like he wanted to fellate Hunter. And I didn’t realize exactly how much trade value they gave up for Hunter. I was really disappointed when they drafted him and thought it meant Thomas was second fiddle but everyone reassured me it was okay. My first instinct was the better one, but how does some employee barely getting paid for fantasy advice know that?

It’s a crap shoot sometimes.

8 vs 7 targets in week 1 convinced you that your first instinct was correct? Jesus man.

There could be other things, like Hunter's designed targets, which were three to one. Or that Hunter lined up in the slot 76% of the time, which is where Liam Coen designs and wants his offense to run from. I mean, you could ask me instead of the sarcasm. Do I strike you like I say **** to just to say ****?

Or, as Derek Brown of FantasyPros said, "His [Hunter's] 76% slot usage in Week 1 and heavy slot and designed target usage moving forward should allow him to 'grow on the job' this season while being productive for fantasy purposes."

So yeah, given all those things, then yup, he is taking the primary position in Coen's offense over Thomas and has more designed targets than Thomas. Here's an article about how he did that for Kupp with the Rams under McVay and was going to do the same with Godwin in Tampa.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Liam Coen's Offensive Approach: Training Camp 2024 Preview

Just Google "Liam Coen, slot receiver" and you can read all about it.

I don't know. You can talk about targets absent context or importance and say "Jesus man" all sarcastically or you could ask me without the histrionics. Chances are I have a reason to say these things, Alex. Hope your day is good and have a blessed rest of it.

 

[BespokeJort]

Not shocked they tried to scheme their expensive new weapon involved in his first game. If people are selling Thomas at values that assume Hunter is the alpha going forward I’m buying

 

[menobrown]

These guys can only do so much research. It took me like five months to find video of the GM of the Jags looking and talking like he wanted to fellate Hunter.

No offense, I thought that video and Gladstones cringe worthy opening press conference after the trade/pick was common knowledge. Saw it all over the place.

There could be other things, like Hunter's designed targets, which were three to one. Or that Hunter lined up in the slot 76% of the time,

According to player profiler Hunter lined up in the 57.4% of the time and it was Brian Thomas who got the majority of first read targets, ranking #9 in the NFL with a 45.5% first read target share.

 

[menobrown]

Such an ugly stat line. I saw where Trevor Lawrence throws to his first read an extraordinary percentage of the time - 70% IIRC - so as Liam Coen goes, Thomas goes.

I would be more worried about it being "as Shane Waldron goes, Thomas goes". This guy has been a death sentence for WR fantasy production.

I would not be worried or give a second thought to Waldron being on staff. If he was the OC then of course yes. He's the passing game coordinator and it's Cohen's show.

Now it's up for debate exactly how good Cohen is, how much of Tampa's success was related to him, how much of a role did Grizzard play? But it's Cohen's show, that's a whole different ballgame then the roles Waldron had the last few years.

 

[menobrown]

Man it is frustrating watching Lawrence fling it all over the place.

Bingo.

Per player profiler his catch-able target ranked 73rd, only 3 of his 7 targets were deemed catch-able. That's the first issue and the second one is on BTJ as he dropped two of them.

Trevor could be an issue. When BTJ broke out with Mac Jones it was logical to think he'd take it to another level with Trevor. I mentioned this in the Ricky P thread the other day but I watched a cut-up of all of BTJ's targets last year and Mac was simply delivering the ball much better to him then Trevor. That got me a tad cooler on BTJ this year then adding Hunter into the mix.

 

[rockaction]

These guys can only do so much research. It took me like five months to find video of the GM of the Jags looking and talking like he wanted to fellate Hunter.

No offense, I thought that video and Gladstones cringe worthy opening press conference after the trade/pick was common knowledge. Saw it all over the place.

There could be other things, like Hunter's designed targets, which were three to one. Or that Hunter lined up in the slot 76% of the time,

According to player profiler Hunter lined up in the 57.4% of the time and it was Brian Thomas who got the majority of first read targets, ranking #9 in the NFL with a 45.5% first read target share.

Yeah, FP had 76% slot for Hunter. Designed targets are not first-read targets, so you might have to adjust your premise there.

But I appreciate the differing info. I thought Derek Brown was reliable so we will need another source.

It wasn’t the GM gushing so much as it was the PFF trade value in the video.

So that’s really my rebuttal, actually. We will have to get more definitive charting.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Where was all of this kind of important information when every expert under the sun was drafting, and telling everyone to draft, Thomas at the 1-2 turn? This stuff always seem to emerge into the overall consciousness weeks after it would have been pretty useful. Sucks. I did get him end of round 2 but already regretting it, Lawrence is useless and that parts on me.

Hunter had 8 targets and remember they played the Panthers
BTJr had 7 targets, granted 1/11 is not good, he did manage a TD run to help ease the pain

Better days ahead and he's way better than Hunter at the moment, they will lean on him more when they are trying to win games, they were ahead vs Carolina the whole time
And that game went on for 5 hours, just flush it.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Where was all of this kind of important information when every expert under the sun was drafting, and telling everyone to draft, Thomas at the 1-2 turn? This stuff always seem to emerge into the overall consciousness weeks after it would have been pretty useful. Sucks. I did get him end of round 2 but already regretting it, Lawrence is useless and that parts on me.

These guys can only do so much research. It took me like five months to find video of the GM of the Jags looking and talking like he wanted to fellate Hunter. And I didn’t realize exactly how much trade value they gave up for Hunter. I was really disappointed when they drafted him and thought it meant Thomas was second fiddle but everyone reassured me it was okay. My first instinct was the better one, but how does some employee barely getting paid for fantasy advice know that?

It’s a crap shoot sometimes.

8 vs 7 targets in week 1 convinced you that your first instinct was correct? Jesus man.

There could be other things, like Hunter's designed targets, which were three to one. Or that Hunter lined up in the slot 76% of the time, which is where Liam Coen designs and wants his offense to run from. I mean, you could ask me instead of the sarcasm. Do I strike you like I say **** to just to say ****?

Or, as Derek Brown of FantasyPros said, "His [Hunter's] 76% slot usage in Week 1 and heavy slot and designed target usage moving forward should allow him to 'grow on the job' this season while being productive for fantasy purposes."

So yeah, given all those things, then yup, he is taking the primary position in Coen's offense over Thomas and has more designed targets than Thomas. Here's an article about how he did that for Kupp with the Rams under McVay and was going to do the same with Godwin in Tampa.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Liam Coen's Offensive Approach: Training Camp 2024 Preview

Just Google "Liam Coen, slot receiver" and you can read all about it.

I don't know. You can talk about targets absent context or importance and say "Jesus man" all sarcastically or you could ask me without the histrionics. Chances are I have a reason to say these things, Alex. Hope your day is good and have a blessed rest of it.

Fair points. My apologies rock.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Where was all of this kind of important information when every expert under the sun was drafting, and telling everyone to draft, Thomas at the 1-2 turn? This stuff always seem to emerge into the overall consciousness weeks after it would have been pretty useful. Sucks. I did get him end of round 2 but already regretting it, Lawrence is useless and that parts on me.

These guys can only do so much research. It took me like five months to find video of the GM of the Jags looking and talking like he wanted to fellate Hunter. And I didn’t realize exactly how much trade value they gave up for Hunter. I was really disappointed when they drafted him and thought it meant Thomas was second fiddle but everyone reassured me it was okay. My first instinct was the better one, but how does some employee barely getting paid for fantasy advice know that?

It’s a crap shoot sometimes.

8 vs 7 targets in week 1 convinced you that your first instinct was correct? Jesus man.

There could be other things, like Hunter's designed targets, which were three to one. Or that Hunter lined up in the slot 76% of the time, which is where Liam Coen designs and wants his offense to run from. I mean, you could ask me instead of the sarcasm. Do I strike you like I say **** to just to say ****?

Or, as Derek Brown of FantasyPros said, "His [Hunter's] 76% slot usage in Week 1 and heavy slot and designed target usage moving forward should allow him to 'grow on the job' this season while being productive for fantasy purposes."

So yeah, given all those things, then yup, he is taking the primary position in Coen's offense over Thomas and has more designed targets than Thomas. Here's an article about how he did that for Kupp with the Rams under McVay and was going to do the same with Godwin in Tampa.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Liam Coen's Offensive Approach: Training Camp 2024 Preview

Just Google "Liam Coen, slot receiver" and you can read all about it.

I don't know. You can talk about targets absent context or importance and say "Jesus man" all sarcastically or you could ask me without the histrionics. Chances are I have a reason to say these things, Alex. Hope your day is good and have a blessed rest of it.

 

[Judge Smails]

Man it is frustrating watching Lawrence fling it all over the place.

Bingo.

Per player profiler his catch-able target ranked 73rd, only 3 of his 7 targets were deemed catch-able. That's the first issue and the second one is on BTJ as he dropped two of them.

Trevor could be an issue. When BTJ broke out with Mac Jones it was logical to think he'd take it to another level with Trevor. I mentioned this in the Ricky P thread the other day but I watched a cut-up of all of BTJ's targets last year and Mac was simply delivering the ball much better to him then Trevor. That got me a tad cooler on BTJ this year then adding Hunter into the mix.

This is the answer. Looking back when I had BTJ last year I was so pissed when Trevor sailed every pass to him. BTJ flourished with Mac Jones because he put air under the ball vs throwing line drives like Trevor. More catchable ball

 

[Ray Barboni]

Soo … TLaw sucks? Is what I’m gathering here.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Soo … TLaw sucks? Is what I’m gathering here.

"Generational talent"

 

[Ray Barboni]

Soo … TLaw sucks? Is what I’m gathering here.

"Generational talent"

Ah .. got it. I’ll keep him on my roster then.

Caleb is next in line here.

Andrew Luck really hurt us all didn’t he?

 

[Chaka]

Soo … TLaw sucks? Is what I’m gathering here.

"Generational talent"

Caleb Beta?

 

[Chaka]

FTR BTJ was on pace for 1,100+ yards and 9+ TDs with Lawrence. He was definitely better with Mac but, Coach Coen is supposed to be the equalizer. Already seems to be working for ETN so, maybe give it half a second?