barackdhouse
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
that is my thought process as well. if they don't get another RB in return then they would seem super thin to me
nittanylion
Footballguy
@menobrown , in the most polite and respectful terms, as I'm genuinely curious ... we're acquainted with each other from the National High Stakes space, and I respect you immensely as a fellow highly successful competitor in that arena ...
As such, I'd be very surprised to learn that you don't vet sources of information *at least*, if not moreso than I do (and I vet the absolute crap out of *everyone*), for their integrity, reliability and veracity, so, again, with politeness and respect - do you actually trust someone who I consider to be a clickbait media whore, who's about as close to an actual NFL Insider as I am, to be posting (I refuse to use the word reporting, when it comes to Jordan Schultz) anything remotely legitimate in his material?
...because I sure don't, and it's not for lack of vetting.
I don't want to waste much time on him, so a simple yes/no is fine by me ... but I guess if *you* trust him, I'm going to have give him and his stuff more consideration .
As such, I'd be very surprised to learn that you don't vet sources of information *at least*, if not moreso than I do (and I vet the absolute crap out of *everyone*), for their integrity, reliability and veracity, so, again, with politeness and respect - do you actually trust someone who I consider to be a clickbait media whore, who's about as close to an actual NFL Insider as I am, to be posting (I refuse to use the word reporting, when it comes to Jordan Schultz) anything remotely legitimate in his material?
...because I sure don't, and it's not for lack of vetting.
I don't want to waste much time on him, so a simple yes/no is fine by me ... but I guess if *you* trust him, I'm going to have give him and his stuff more consideration .
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In a league I am pretty thin at RB I traded up a few spots late in the start-up to take JCM, so here’s hoping for some good luck!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Even if Schultz is a clown he has >300k followers and is likely quite a bit more plugged in than any of us. Doesn't mean much but he seems to at least have some clout. I posted it over in the JCM thread but here is another "source" and no I have no idea on their own credibility but maybe someone here does... at the 14:45 mark:
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Hot Sauce Guy
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I don’t really know this dude, but I don’t see any value in putting this out there if it’s spun from whole cloth.Even if Schultz is a clown he has >300k followers and is likely quite a bit more plugged in than any of us. Doesn't mean much but he seems to at least have some clout. I posted it over in the JCM thread but here is another "source" and no I have no idea on their own credibility but maybe someone here does... at the 14:45 mark:
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barackdhouse
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as I said, maybe someone here does know... it could be helpful. nobody is claiming this video that I posted to be truth. and if someone wants to run with it, that's on them. would not be surprised one bit if it was true, would not be surprised one bit if it wasn't. it comes with that disclaimer.I don’t really know this dude, but I don’t see any value in putting this out there if it’s spun from whole cloth.Even if Schultz is a clown he has >300k followers and is likely quite a bit more plugged in than any of us. Doesn't mean much but he seems to at least have some clout. I posted it over in the JCM thread but here is another "source" and no I have no idea on their own credibility but maybe someone here does... at the 14:45 mark:
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Ben Standig wrote an article that is the 'source' here. And all he says is he is "guessing" and that has "no insight" into the matter. So really the whole thing is just a take. And the host says he would be shocked if he was cut. I would too. But trade? Certainly possible he is being shopped or was. But actually making a deal is another matter. So like it could be true but never materialize.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I read speculation the other day (forget where) that Eke could be a cut to save some $ if JCM continued to show out.as I said, maybe someone here does know... it could be helpful. nobody is claiming this video that I posted to be truth. and if someone wants to run with it, that's on them. would not be surprised one bit if it was true, would not be surprised one bit if it wasn't. it comes with that disclaimer.I don’t really know this dude, but I don’t see any value in putting this out there if it’s spun from whole cloth.Even if Schultz is a clown he has >300k followers and is likely quite a bit more plugged in than any of us. Doesn't mean much but he seems to at least have some clout. I posted it over in the JCM thread but here is another "source" and no I have no idea on their own credibility but maybe someone here does... at the 14:45 mark:
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Ben Standig wrote an article that is the 'source' here. And all he says is he is "guessing" and that has "no insight" into the matter. So really the whole thing is just a take. And the host says he would be shocked if he was cut. I would too. But trade? Certainly possible he is being shopped or was. But actually making a deal is another matter. So like it could be true but never materialize.
I think maybe a lot of folks are just reading tea leaves and checking contracts and throwing stuff against the wall.
And you’re right - it could be both true, and not come to fruition.
He's absolutely reliable to me.@menobrown , in the most polite and respectful terms, as I'm genuinely curious ... we're acquainted with each other from the National High Stakes space, and I respect you immensely as a fellow highly successful competitor in that arena ...
As such, I'd be very surprised to learn that you don't vet sources of information *at least*, if not moreso than I do (and I vet the absolute crap out of *everyone*), for their integrity, reliability and veracity, so, again, with politeness and respect - do you actually trust someone who I consider to be a clickbait media whore, who's about as close to an actual NFL Insider as I am, to be posting (I refuse to use the word reporting, when it comes to Jordan Schultz) anything remotely legitimate in his material?
...because I sure don't, and it's not for lack of vetting.
I don't want to waste much time on him, so a simple yes/no is fine by me ... but I guess if *you* trust him, I'm going to have give him and his stuff more consideration .
He allows himself to be used by agents more then guys like Shefter and Rap, some of his tweets might as well be wrote by them.
But no I don't think he makes stuff up, it's generally accurate info.
He's Howard Schultz's son, I think he has better career choices then being a guy making up stuff. He has legit sources. Again just a a little to agent friendly but it's not the same thing as making stuff up.
I don't know the guy in the video.I don’t really know this dude, but I don’t see any value in putting this out there if it’s spun from whole cloth.Even if Schultz is a clown he has >300k followers and is likely quite a bit more plugged in than any of us. Doesn't mean much but he seems to at least have some clout. I posted it over in the JCM thread but here is another "source" and no I have no idea on their own credibility but maybe someone here does... at the 14:45 mark:
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I know the guy he references getting the info from. Ben Standig. Up until a few weeks ago he was the Commanders beat writer with the Athletic. They let him go and he went solo and some of his stuff is behind a paywall I can't get through so if he wrote this in an article I did not read it. But Standig would be what I could consider a reliable source if he wrote that.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I haven’t seen anything from the beat guys yet but it’s totally plausible. I’ve been thinking he was on the roster bubble anyway so even a late round pick swap would be a win in my book. Guy is a hall of JAGer. Chris Rodriguez performs his role better IMO.
Bill has turned heads and will probably get a shot at the main job. Ekeler still has juice. Then you got Rodriguez in the BRob mold and McNichols as an Ekeler understudy. He had some moments last year and a really good camp.
Bill has turned heads and will probably get a shot at the main job. Ekeler still has juice. Then you got Rodriguez in the BRob mold and McNichols as an Ekeler understudy. He had some moments last year and a really good camp.
I think he's a JAG as well and despite being on a rookie contract he got that PPE bonus so his salary is $3.4M. That's not a ton of money in the grand scheme of things but if they think a guy like Rodriquez can do the job they'd save about $2.5m in cap and actual money.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
What do they think they are getting for him? Maybe a 4th at best.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I was wondering if they were thinking that they probably have to let him hit the market at the end of the year because they won't want to pay him then. And so if they can squeeze a few bucks today (in order to assist them in signing McLaurin??) - honestly IDK anything about contracts and the money and I admit it but if they really do feel ok with JCM and Ekeler (and IDK maybe they anticipate picking someone else up prior to week 1) then mmmmaybe? I'm talking about the cutting concept. Trading certainly seems plausible and doesn't need justified as much.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
One of the thinnest rooms in the league….weird. Unless they are making a move for Breece or someone this really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Commanders trading Brian Robinson makes no sense. They were a game away from the SB last year and have an old team, they should be in win now mode. Ekeler is probably cooked and was never a full time feature back in the first place. JCM is so unproven. Oh and then the cherry on top, nobody would offer anything for Robinson.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
So he is worthy of starting for a SB caliber team but he isn't valuable to other teams? Where does his value start and where does it end?
I tend to agree trading is somewhat improbable. Particularly because it is this late in the offseason. And I think he is a lot better than a JAG but not by a ton. Even if JCM is *the* guy, I'd still want Robinson to go with him because as folks have pointed out this would leave them super thin. I don't *think* it has anything to do with moving players and contracts in order to get McLaurin on board.
*That* story hasn't gotten better so who knows what kind of thought processes are going on in Washington GMs offices. Can Robinson be a part of something that helps solve their McLaurin problem?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I agree with you on the assessment of him. Better than a jag but not by much. And even if JCM is their plan, having Robinson is smart for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. But your statement that he’s just a little better than a JAG is why nobody would trade for him. Hes more valuable to the Commanders than anyone else by a long shot. If you are a GM, what would you offer for a 26 year old slightly better than JAG RB who will be a free agent at the end of the year? Commanders can just have him this year. To trade for him, you have to give up picks and then commit 2-3 years of money to him.
At best but I think more like a 6-7th.
Think of it in these terms. If he was a FA would he be in a lot more demand then say Rico Dowdle was? Every team in the league could have signed Rico with no draft pick comp and he ended up taking about $900K less then Robinson will make this year.
What I'm trying to say is for the cost of free I'd think Brian Robinson would have a difficult time finding someone to pay him $3.6M. Might find a team or two but he's not be looking at a wall of suitors.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I actually agree with you, I was being generous. I think he will have quite a few suitors next year on a friendly deal, but going to a new team this late in the off season isn't ideal especially when we haven't had any major rb injuries yet.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Right. Jacory Croskey-Merritt is a profile that's had my attention all offseason, especially when he ended up in this situation. He's also a 24 years old and spent 4 years buried on the depth chart at Alabama St and net a grand total of 13 touches in a power 5 program. I'm sure he'll be given opportunities to earn more work as the season progresses, but a contender like Washington isn't relying on that guy to lead their back field as a rookie.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yep and then especially not for the 6th round pick Brian Robinson would probably net. JCM is a funny prospect. I feel like him missing this last year is in a weird way the best thing to happen to him. Made him a fun mystery.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Regardless of the merits of a trade, or whether we think JCM has some juice or not, the timing would be super weird for a trade.
The season starts in a few weeks. I just don’t see it happening. I also don’t see them cutting Eke to save money, for that matter.
None of those things seem plausible at this point.
The season starts in a few weeks. I just don’t see it happening. I also don’t see them cutting Eke to save money, for that matter.
None of those things seem plausible at this point.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
The missing link here for those asking why is Rodriguez and McNichols have both shown to be pretty capable in the roles asked of them. They belong on NFL rosters. Ekeler wasn’t washed last year. Still had plenty of juice. JCM is a projection but he’s got some real sizzle and his Senior Bowl work really stood out.
Robinson runs hard and through contact well but he has awful vision. He belongs on a roster somewhere but purely based on merit, he’s the 5th RB on this team IMO.
I feel like this is Washington asking for a partner and if they don’t find one, he’s cut. Maybe Peters gets a 6th or a late pick swap from his SF connections given their rash of injuries.
Robinson runs hard and through contact well but he has awful vision. He belongs on a roster somewhere but purely based on merit, he’s the 5th RB on this team IMO.
I feel like this is Washington asking for a partner and if they don’t find one, he’s cut. Maybe Peters gets a 6th or a late pick swap from his SF connections given their rash of injuries.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I'm not sure what's so hard to believe. New regime in Washington under Adam Peters.
Whether it gets done or not is another story.
Whether it gets done or not is another story.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That would be a wild cut.
In my 2 recent SF start-ups, BRob went:
13.12
And
10.08
Start-up picks.
His ADP in FFPC is 91 overall (73-104)
A BRob cut would be a nuke to so, so many NFFC ROC & BB teams that have drafted already who thought they had a cheap RB2. Heck in my FBG league 4 he went 7.07.
I’m still deeply skeptical, but man… talk about a seismic event if it happens.
Football Jones
Footballguy
What I do actually find hard to believe is JCM lasting until the 7th round and the last RB taken. That's a joke, regardless of his lack of collegiate touches. How many RBs were taken ahead of him? Bill jumps off the screen.
It's almost as bad as Shedeur lasting until the 5th round. Ollie Gordon is another rookie who was vastly underdrafted. In Gordon's case, we're only talking about a guy who was the best RB in college football at the age of 19.
As many resources as the NFL has, you'd think they would do a little better job of drafting. I know it's not an exact science, but they sure do flub a lot of picks.
It's almost as bad as Shedeur lasting until the 5th round. Ollie Gordon is another rookie who was vastly underdrafted. In Gordon's case, we're only talking about a guy who was the best RB in college football at the age of 19.
As many resources as the NFL has, you'd think they would do a little better job of drafting. I know it's not an exact science, but they sure do flub a lot of picks.
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Do we have any comment from the team or the player yet?
Da Franchise
Footballguy
That would be a wild cut.
In my 2 recent SF start-ups, BRob went:
13.12
And
10.08
Start-up picks.
His ADP in FFPC is 91 overall (73-104)
A BRob cut would be a nuke to so, so many NFFC ROC & BB teams that have drafted already who thought they had a cheap RB2. Heck in my FBG league 4 he went 7.07.
I’m still deeply skeptical, but man… talk about a seismic event if it happens.
Yikes those are bad picks regardless. Even if he stays, he’s at best a placeholder while they determine if Bill can handle the job.
He’s been overvalued by the dynasty community for awhile now IMO. He’s not dynamic. He’ll never be the guy a team considers a lead back where it’s not a year to year proposition. If he has opportunity, he’s a solid flex but his opportunity is always perilous.
Meno mentioned Dowdle and that’s a really good comparison of how he is probably viewed by other front offices in terms of value. Good blocker, good guy, runs hard, can execute, won’t kill you. That’s it. When you don’t have anything else, that’s productive for fantasy but teams aren’t aiming for that to be their main guy. He’s Ron Rivera’s idea of a good running back.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I haven’t seen any. The beat guys would be scooped but that’s nothing new. Washington FO has been tight as a drum since Peters arrived so it’s probably coming from an agent or another team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All of those picks were in line with his ADP.
That’s the bigger issue. I was actually ticked when Irish took him as I was hoping to land him as a cheap/late RB option.
But yeah - his value is what it is, and I agree that’s probably an over-valuation by the FF community at large.
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fatness
Footballguy
Commanders RB room is almost as thin as the Commanders WR room.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
So yeah. Internet is blowing up about this. It isn't just the couple folks we were talking about above. Twitter FF is all about it. Enough that the subject itself is now getting meme joke treatment.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, it’s on every single football website which means it won’t happen. Frank Ammirante Jr. says replacement level players don’t get traded at this point, they get cut.
eta* I have no idea whether or not it will or will not happen
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
if this was Madden, I would send BRjr to the Jets for Breece!! But then they would be in cap hell trying to extend him while still dealing with McLauren
steelcityman
Footballguy
Robinson and pick for Henderson? Would that impact a potential McLaurin deal having to pay a ton for a DE?
I have to cut my roster down Friday, and have McLaurin. I am starting to lean away from him. But then saw he is off PUP list. Can they sign him before Friday, for me???
I have to cut my roster down Friday, and have McLaurin. I am starting to lean away from him. But then saw he is off PUP list. Can they sign him before Friday, for me???
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Troy Hendrickson DE CIN?
steelcityman
Footballguy
yeah. Him. I am running on no sleep today.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
The Robinson trade rumblings were speculation from someone, I doubt there is much to it based on their current room.
Birdie048
Footballguy
As recent FBG news letter stated .... it is the time for "CLICK BAIT" articles just to get hits and attention.
While there might be no truth to the trade/cut rumors, there are numerous repeats of the same lines....
Not that I have clicked on any of them, but do they even contain any Wash FO source supporting this as a possibility or is it being explored?
This is the time for all the Wanna Be Journalists to post something to get attention ... Take these reports with a grain of salt.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
The Robinson trade rumblings were speculation from someone, I doubt there is much to it based on their current room
I don’t discredit the guy who said it, as he was asked if there could be a surprise cut or trade. He just answered the question. It was the remaining of the internet that spun his heard into a “rumor.”As recent FBG news letter stated .... it is the time for "CLICK BAIT" articles just to get hits and attention.
While there might be no truth to the trade/cut rumors, there are numerous repeats of the same lines....
Not that I have clicked on any of them, but do they even contain any Wash FO source supporting this as a possibility or is it being explored?
This is the time for all the Wanna Be Journalists to post something to get attention ... Take these reports with a grain of salt.
rockaction
Footballguy
Touche
Just going to say I don't think trading or cutting him is based on speculation. I think they have in fact already shopped him and if they can't find a taker will consider cutting him. It's all real.
Should not be confused with saying it's going to happen. But this is not click bait stuff. It's a team going through the decision making process of their roster and examining if his level of play vs other options are worth his pay.
This could go multiple ways but gun to my head today if I had to predict he'll be on the team opening week I'd say no.
Should not be confused with saying it's going to happen. But this is not click bait stuff. It's a team going through the decision making process of their roster and examining if his level of play vs other options are worth his pay.
This could go multiple ways but gun to my head today if I had to predict he'll be on the team opening week I'd say no.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Agreed and reminder he fumbled twice in the first half of the NFC championship game after running his mouth about being the better team leading up to the game. I hope he has a good game tonight.
Possible but I'd bet on the Bears who could use a power back and it would re-unite him with Beinemey as his RB coach.
