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RB Chase Brown, CIN (17 Viewers)
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Explain the difference between Bucky Irving and Chase Brown
Irving is 5'10" 195 lbs.
Brown is 5'10" 210lbs.
From weeks 5 - 17:
Irving - 194.60 points. 14.97 PPG
Brown - 216.50 points. 16.65 PPG
Irving is FBG's #7 ranked RB
Brown is #19.
Yes I understand volume. However, volume is king in fantasy football and Brown gets it.
Just not sure why there is such little concern for Irving carrying the load while there is great concern about Brown.
Irving is 5'10" 195 lbs.
Brown is 5'10" 210lbs.
From weeks 5 - 17:
Irving - 194.60 points. 14.97 PPG
Brown - 216.50 points. 16.65 PPG
Irving is FBG's #7 ranked RB
Brown is #19.
Yes I understand volume. However, volume is king in fantasy football and Brown gets it.
Just not sure why there is such little concern for Irving carrying the load while there is great concern about Brown.
Irving was significantly more impressive, and didn't require an injury for his workload to spike and looks more likely to be the centerpiece of his offense, as the Bengals will always be Burrow first.
Chase Brown was a decent RB last season who had an elite role, Bucky Irving was an elite RB last season in a mediocre role, that improved as the season went on. Irving's role is a lot more likely to continue to get better than Brown's effectiveness is. There is not a single aspect of the RB position Brown was better than Irving at last season. Irving was #1 in the NFL in yards after contact/attempt, he was 8th in % of runs over 15 yards, he was 5th in yards per route run. Even in just basic stats, his yards per carry was over a full yard higher than Brown's.
I think FBG ranking is more than fair, and that's assuming the Bengals completely ignore RB in the draft which is unlikely.
Excellent points.
However, Godwin is back and Evans missed several games. We very well could see Irving's usage drop as well.
Also, White is a far better backup than anything currently behind Brown. He isn't just going to go away.
Browns ineffectiveness, much like Walker, has a lot to do with the line.
You keep going back to injury, but Brown may have taken over the role any way. May.
I'm not saying Brown is better than Irving, though I think he could be. I'm just saying seems like a huge difference in ratings.
Obviously, the draft will have a huge part moving forward.
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I think you are reading an old article or something. Karras and Cappa were starters for the Bengals since 2022, and Cappa was just cut. The Bengals OL hasn't added anything of note this offseason.
I will agree that Brown likely would have taken a bigger role regardless of Moss getting hurt, but certainly nowhere near what it became.
I've got Irving in the 6-10 range, and Brown in the 21-25 range at RB.
D'oh!
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I am concerned and also think Bucky is at his ADP pinnacle and would be a screaming sell for me in any league where I'm doubting my chances of making a play for the championship. But I'm apparently in the minority on that haha.
Even differences in opinion on Bucky's actual talent aside; I don't know how people don't see a dynasty ADP of RB6/7 for him to be a major candidate to fall off by even as soon as next season considering this incoming rookie class. I guess his very young age is a valid boost with other top backs like Barkley, Taylor, Cook, and Jacobs all aging 27+ this year. I just see him at peak value ripe to drop and would want to cash in before it does.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
It sounds like you're talking redraft, where I believe most people are talking more about his dynasty value. His value/production for next season should still be very good low end RB1/high end RB2.
Not to sidetrack, but I think Bucky Irving might be another LeSean McCoy. Size/speed combo isn't great, but vision, agility, and receiving aren't flukes. I think he's top 10 in redraft/dynasty/non-ppr/ppr/whatever.
satch
Footballguy
Some are underestimating the significance of Brown’s familiarity with the Bengals offensive system. With Brown in there, the offense fires on all cylinders. Toss an unsure rookie back there and everything slows down.
As a Brown owner I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they draft a RB at some point. However, after the way Brown broke out in 2024, I’d be surprised if he didn’t remain a major weapon in the offense. With Jamar Chase & Higgins drawing coverage deep, Brown’s receiving ability and explosive speed in the open field underneath are deadly.
Wouldn’t shock me to see Brown cede goal line carries to someone, but that’s not really his thing. He is now a proven offensive weapon in what may be the highest scoring offense in the NFL. These are the guys you want in fantasy.
Also, let’s remind ourselves how this board was full of people saying guys like Jaylen Wright, Marshawn Lloyd, etc were supposed to shake up their respective backfields. Turns out, not so much. Sure this years RB class may be better, but I think it’s more likely than not that whoever the Bengals draft at RB will have a complimentary role at best in 2025, as Chase Brown picks right up where he left off.
As a Brown owner I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they draft a RB at some point. However, after the way Brown broke out in 2024, I’d be surprised if he didn’t remain a major weapon in the offense. With Jamar Chase & Higgins drawing coverage deep, Brown’s receiving ability and explosive speed in the open field underneath are deadly.
Wouldn’t shock me to see Brown cede goal line carries to someone, but that’s not really his thing. He is now a proven offensive weapon in what may be the highest scoring offense in the NFL. These are the guys you want in fantasy.
Also, let’s remind ourselves how this board was full of people saying guys like Jaylen Wright, Marshawn Lloyd, etc were supposed to shake up their respective backfields. Turns out, not so much. Sure this years RB class may be better, but I think it’s more likely than not that whoever the Bengals draft at RB will have a complimentary role at best in 2025, as Chase Brown picks right up where he left off.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I remember not so long ago people were antsy with Brown. Some still are. If they draft Judkins in the 2nd, Brown owners have good reason to be nervous. Having said that, I believe Brown will be a good fantasy asset in 2025.
I'm not saying Brown will lose his job or anything, but I think its greatly overrating Brown's talent to suggest he's on the level of Achane or especially Jacobs.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Achane better watch his back too.
satch
Footballguy
Also, let’s not underestimate Chase Brown’s desire to capitalize on this opportunity. He’s not going to just step aside and let some rookie take the spotlight. He’s likely more motivated than ever to play the best football of his life. If he can replicate what he did in 2024, it could create generational wealth.
Grok’s AI analysis is likely far more accurate and comprehensive than anything most of us could provide. As such, I input the following prompt into Grok, factoring in the fact that Brown didn’t see comparable usage until week 4. This is about as in-depth as you can get. There's a ton of useful info here.
Grok prompt: Prepare a statistical analysis comparing Chase Brown to Devon Achane, using 2024 NFL stats from week 4-week 18. (Grok took it upon itself to answer from a fantasy perspective, using .5 PPR scoring.)
Grok answer: To compare Chase Brown (Cincinnati Bengals) and De’Von Achane (Miami Dolphins) using 2024 NFL stats from Weeks 4 to 18 under a 0.5 PPR scoring system (0.5 points per reception, 0.1 points per yard, 6 points per touchdown), I’ll re-analyze key statistical categories for running backs: rushing attempts, rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, yards per carry (YPC), receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns, and fantasy points. The data is sourced from ESPN, FantasyPros, and FantasyData, with calculations adjusted for 0.5 PPR scoring. As before, I’ll focus on Weeks 4–18, accounting for Brown’s absence in Week 18 (14 games) and Achane’s full participation (15 games). Weekly splits are estimated where necessary due to source limitations.
Data Collection and Methodology
Sources: ESPN (per-game stats), FantasyPros (weekly performance), FantasyData (game logs and fantasy points).
Time Frame: Weeks 4–18, 2024 NFL regular season. Brown played 14 games (Weeks 4–17); Achane played 15 games.
Stats Analyzed:
Raw Data Compilation
Chase Brown (Weeks 4–17)
Games Played: 14 (missed Week 18, ankle injury).
Rushing (from ESPN/FantasyData):
Games Played: 15 (all games, limited Week 5 due to concussion).
Rushing:
Yards per Touch:
Rushing Performance:
Volume: Brown averaged more rushing attempts (13.1 vs. 11.7), reflecting his lead-back role post-Week 9 (83% snap rate, 92% rush share).
Chase Brown:
Strengths: Higher rushing volume, consistent fantasy output (13.6 points/game), and dominant role in Cincinnati’s offense (RB5 post-Week 9).
Weaknesses: Lower receiving production, slightly less efficient YPC, missed Week 18.
De’Von Achane:
Strengths: Better efficiency (4.94 YPC, 5.69 yards/touch), elite receiving role (second in RB receiving yards), and big-play ability.
Weaknesses: Lower rushing volume, fewer TDs, and backfield competition reduced fantasy consistency.
Fantasy Edge: Brown’s 0.5 PPR advantage (13.6 vs. 9.8 points/game) is wider than in PPR (15.4 vs. 12.7), as Achane’s reception-heavy production loses value. Brown’s volume and efficiency per opportunity make him the superior fantasy asset.
Conclusion
In a 0.5 PPR scoring system for Weeks 4–18, Chase Brown significantly outperforms De’Von Achane in total fantasy points (190.7 vs. 147.2) and per-game production (13.6 vs. 9.8), driven by his workhorse role and consistent touches in Cincinnati’s offense. Achane’s efficiency (higher YPC, yards per touch) and receiving prowess (490 yards, 4 TDs) remain strengths, but his fantasy impact is diminished in 0.5 PPR due to halved reception points and Miami’s backfield rotation. Brown is the clear choice for reliability, while Achane offers higher upside in games with optimal conditions.
Note: Weekly splits were estimated due to source limitations. For precise data, consult ESPN or NFL.com game logs.
While Brown and Jacobs are completely different types of RBs, I actually think Achane is a great comp based on what we saw from Brown in 2024. I don’t have time to don’t have time to dive into a comprehensive statistical analysis comparing Brown and Achane. Fortunately, I don’t have to.
Grok’s AI analysis is likely far more accurate and comprehensive than anything most of us could provide. As such, I input the following prompt into Grok, factoring in the fact that Brown didn’t see comparable usage until week 4. This is about as in-depth as you can get. There's a ton of useful info here.
Grok prompt: Prepare a statistical analysis comparing Chase Brown to Devon Achane, using 2024 NFL stats from week 4-week 18. (Grok took it upon itself to answer from a fantasy perspective, using .5 PPR scoring.)
Grok answer: To compare Chase Brown (Cincinnati Bengals) and De’Von Achane (Miami Dolphins) using 2024 NFL stats from Weeks 4 to 18 under a 0.5 PPR scoring system (0.5 points per reception, 0.1 points per yard, 6 points per touchdown), I’ll re-analyze key statistical categories for running backs: rushing attempts, rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, yards per carry (YPC), receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns, and fantasy points. The data is sourced from ESPN, FantasyPros, and FantasyData, with calculations adjusted for 0.5 PPR scoring. As before, I’ll focus on Weeks 4–18, accounting for Brown’s absence in Week 18 (14 games) and Achane’s full participation (15 games). Weekly splits are estimated where necessary due to source limitations.
Data Collection and Methodology
Sources: ESPN (per-game stats), FantasyPros (weekly performance), FantasyData (game logs and fantasy points).
Time Frame: Weeks 4–18, 2024 NFL regular season. Brown played 14 games (Weeks 4–17); Achane played 15 games.
Stats Analyzed:
- Rushing: Attempts, yards, touchdowns, YPC.
- Receiving: Receptions, yards, touchdowns.
- Fantasy Points: 0.5 PPR scoring (0.5 points per reception, 0.1 points per rushing/receiving yard, 6 points per touchdown).
- Weeks 4–18 stats are estimated from season totals and per-game averages, adjusting for games played.
- Brown’s Week 18 absence and Achane’s Week 5 concussion (limited snaps) are factored in.
- Fantasy points are recalculated from PPR to 0.5 PPR by halving reception points (e.g., Brown’s 53 receptions: 53 PPR points → 26.5 0.5 PPR points).
Raw Data Compilation
Chase Brown (Weeks 4–17)
Games Played: 14 (missed Week 18, ankle injury).
Rushing (from ESPN/FantasyData):
- Attempts: 194 (season total, estimated 184 in Weeks 4–17, ~92% of games).
- Yards: 901 (estimated 856 in Weeks 4–17).
- Touchdowns: 7 (estimated 6 in Weeks 4–17, most post-Week 9 as lead back).
- YPC: 4.65 (901/194, applied to period).
- Receptions: 53 (estimated 50 in Weeks 4–17).
- Yards: 307 (estimated 292 in Weeks 4–17).
- Touchdowns: 2 (assumed in Weeks 4–17).
- Fantasy Points (0.5 PPR):
- Season Baseline (PPR): ~230.8 points (18.4 points/game, Weeks 9–17).
- Adjust for 0.5 PPR: Season receptions (53) = 53 PPR points → 26.5 0.5 PPR points. Difference: 26.5 points.
- Season 0.5 PPR Total: 230.8 – 26.5 = ~204.3 points.
- Weeks 4–17 Estimate: 204.3 × (14/15) ≈ 190.7 points (13.6 points/game).
Games Played: 15 (all games, limited Week 5 due to concussion).
Rushing:
- Attempts: 183 (estimated 175 in Weeks 4–18).
- Yards: 904 (estimated 865 in Weeks 4–18).
- Touchdowns: 6 (estimated 5 in Weeks 4–18).
- YPC: 4.94 (904/183, applied to period).
- Receptions: 66 (estimated 63 in Weeks 4–18).
- Yards: 513 (estimated 490 in Weeks 4–18).
- Touchdowns: 4 (all in Weeks 4–18).
- Fantasy Points (0.5 PPR):
- Season Baseline (PPR): 200.0 points (13.3 points/game).
- Adjust for 0.5 PPR: Receptions (66) = 66 PPR points → 33 0.5 PPR points. Difference: 33 points.
- Season 0.5 PPR Total: 200.0 – 33 = 167.0 points.
- Weeks 4–18 Estimate: 167.0 × (15/17) ≈ 147.2 points (9.8 points/game).
Yards per Touch:
- Brown: (856 + 292) / (184 + 50) = 4.91 yards/touch.
- Achane: (865 + 490) / (175 + 63) = 5.69 yards/touch.
- Brown: (6 + 2) / (184 + 50) = 0.034 TDs/touch.
- Achane: (5 + 4) / (175 + 63) = 0.038 TDs/touch.
- Brown: 190.7 / (184 + ~60 targets) ≈ 0.78 points/opportunity.
- Achane: 147.2 / (175 + ~80 targets) ≈ 0.58 points/opportunity.
Rushing Performance:
Volume: Brown averaged more rushing attempts (13.1 vs. 11.7), reflecting his lead-back role post-Week 9 (83% snap rate, 92% rush share).
- Yardage: Achane edged Brown in total rushing yards (865 vs. 856) over one more game, but Brown’s per-game average was higher (61.1 vs. 57.7).
- Efficiency: Achane’s YPC (4.94) surpassed Brown’s (4.65), showing better efficiency, especially in Miami’s zone-heavy scheme.
- Touchdowns: Brown’s 6 rushing TDs slightly outpaced Achane’s 5, tied to Cincinnati’s red-zone opportunities.
- Volume: Achane led in receptions (63 vs. 50) and receiving yards (490 vs. 292), ranking second among RBs in receiving yards.
- Touchdowns: Achane’s 4 receiving TDs doubled Brown’s 2, highlighting his passing-game role.
- Efficiency: Achane’s yards per reception (7.78) beat Brown’s (5.84), underscoring his big-play threat
- Brown’s 190.7 points and 13.6 points/game significantly outpaced Achane’s 147.2 points and 9.8 points/game, driven by higher rushing volume and consistent touches.
- Achane’s receiving production (490 yards, 4 TDs) was less impactful in 0.5 PPR, as reception points dropped from 63 to 31.5, lowering his per-game average.
- Brown’s points per opportunity (0.78) far exceeded Achane’s (0.58), reflecting better production per touch despite fewer targets.
- Achane’s late-season surge (18+ points in 5 of last 7 games) showed upside, but Miami’s backfield split with Mostert/Wright capped his volume.
- Brown: Took over as Cincinnati’s workhorse after Moss’s Week 9 injury, with 8 straight games of 90+ scrimmage yards. Week 18 absence limited his totals.
- Achane: Limited in Week 5 (concussion) but durable otherwise. Efficiency dipped without Tagovailoa, and backfield competition reduced opportunities.
Chase Brown:
Strengths: Higher rushing volume, consistent fantasy output (13.6 points/game), and dominant role in Cincinnati’s offense (RB5 post-Week 9).
Weaknesses: Lower receiving production, slightly less efficient YPC, missed Week 18.
De’Von Achane:
Strengths: Better efficiency (4.94 YPC, 5.69 yards/touch), elite receiving role (second in RB receiving yards), and big-play ability.
Weaknesses: Lower rushing volume, fewer TDs, and backfield competition reduced fantasy consistency.
Fantasy Edge: Brown’s 0.5 PPR advantage (13.6 vs. 9.8 points/game) is wider than in PPR (15.4 vs. 12.7), as Achane’s reception-heavy production loses value. Brown’s volume and efficiency per opportunity make him the superior fantasy asset.
Conclusion
In a 0.5 PPR scoring system for Weeks 4–18, Chase Brown significantly outperforms De’Von Achane in total fantasy points (190.7 vs. 147.2) and per-game production (13.6 vs. 9.8), driven by his workhorse role and consistent touches in Cincinnati’s offense. Achane’s efficiency (higher YPC, yards per touch) and receiving prowess (490 yards, 4 TDs) remain strengths, but his fantasy impact is diminished in 0.5 PPR due to halved reception points and Miami’s backfield rotation. Brown is the clear choice for reliability, while Achane offers higher upside in games with optimal conditions.
Note: Weekly splits were estimated due to source limitations. For precise data, consult ESPN or NFL.com game logs.
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And Achane is ranked #5. That is one player who will not be on a lot of my rosters. Especially at his price.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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I think this is flawed analysis. Its arguing a point that is irrelevant. Chase Brown was better without Zach Moss than De'Von Achane was without Tua. No argument there. But, its throwing out Achane's hot start where he was the #2 overall non-QB, while just assuming Chase Brown will get 99% of the workload again, which is not going to happen.
Achane is better in every scoring system, and multiple rounds better in PPR, and that's just fantasy wise. Actual talent wise, the gap is even wider. Achane is a game breaking top 5 RB talent, Chase Brown is a decent starter. Even this analysis has Achane as the more effective player on a per touch basis. Achane is also arguably becoming the centerpiece of the Dolphins offense, something that Brown will never be.
satch
Footballguy
There are a million things to factor in. One could argue that Jaylen Wright, if he's as good as many expected last year, could potentially be more of a problem for Achane in 2025 than anyone on Cincy's roster is for Brown. You mentioned Achane playing without Tua. Are we confident that won't happen again? Fantasy-wise, it's easy to make the case that even if Achane is technically a more skilled RB than Brown, which I'm fine with accepting, the disparity in their respective offenses makes it a wash.
My original point was not that Achane is a direct comp for Brown, but simply to say that every year we talk about rookies like Jaylen Wright, Marshawn Lloyd, and countless others usurping veteran starters, only to see that not come to fruition. If Cincy takes an RB in round 1 or 2, then it obviously matters. For that matter, the same goes for Miami and Achane. But if Cincy takes an RB in round 3 or beyond I don't think Brown has anything to worry about in 2025.
We aren't totally arguing the same thing I think. I think Achane's greater skill, means that a guy like Jaylen Wright wasn't a threat. I think Brown's lesser skill would make a guy on par with Wright a threat. I think if the Bengals draft someone in round 3-4 like Skattebo, Sampson, Harvey, Martinez, or Giddens, then those guys are all threats, with the 1st 2, being serious threats to take early season Moss level workloads.
satch
Footballguy
I get your point. Rookie threat level is relative to the talents in question. My point was simply that the fantasy community loves to hype up rookies as threats to starters, and oftentimes it doesn't come to fruition.
In hindsight, it's easy to say that it was silly to perceive Wright as a threat to Achane, but I'm not the only one who remembers people going nutty when Miami drafted Wright. People saying he's just like Achane but bigger and faster!!!! Turns out he wasn't a factor at all as a rookie. We tend to overrate rookies while underappreciating proven NFL veteran success.
rschroeder1
Footballguy
Other factors to consider: the Bengals ranked 30th in the NFL in rushing attempts last year, possibly because of their disastrous defense. In the grand scheme of things, Brown averaging 13 carries per game feels like what we might expect out of a 1A back in a 1A/1B type of backfield. Perhaps a little less receiving work, but he seems to have a pretty reasonable floor.
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Reworked Moss's contract. I am happy with this. To many holes to fill on Def and OL to draft a RB before the end of the draft.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I've seen lists of draftable RB going 30 deep.
They will add someone. Maybe someone pretty good even later in the draft.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Moss is under contract...possible he's simply a camp body. The story would have been just as relevant if it was simply confirming he was still alive.
they gave him guaranteed money in the reworked deal
(Rotowire) The Bengals and Moss (neck) agreed to terms on a reworked contract Monday, Mike Garafolo of NFL Network reports.
Analysis: Moss signed a two-year, $8 million deal with Cincinnati last offseason, but it didn't include any guaranteed money beyond 2024. While he kicked off last year as the Bengals' starting running back, he eventually ceded reps to second-year pro Chase Brown (ankle) and then was shut down after Week 8 due to a neck injury. With guaranteed money included in the reworked contract, there's a sense that Moss is making good progress in his recovery, and assuming he's good to go by Week 1 of the upcoming campaign, he and Samaje Perine will be the primary reserve RB options behind Brown.
I can absolutely see them taking a RB late. Just not one who would threaten Brown in my opinion.
satch
Footballguy
Going into the 2024 NFL season, Cincy was content with Moss as their lead RB and Brown the complimentary back. After what Brown showed in 2024, why would Cincy not be content with Brown as the lead RB and Moss/Perine complimentary roles? It’s essentially the same group of RBs they liked in 2024, but Brown has given Cincy reason to feel even more confident in their RB room going into 2025.
With all the other team needs, it’s hard to imagine there’s a lot of concern/discussion about RB in the Cincy draft room, if any. They’ll likely draft a RB at some point, but not with any expectation that he’ll play a meaningful role in 2025, if ever.
With all the other team needs, it’s hard to imagine there’s a lot of concern/discussion about RB in the Cincy draft room, if any. They’ll likely draft a RB at some point, but not with any expectation that he’ll play a meaningful role in 2025, if ever.
Tahj Brooks round 6 pretty close
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought they would take Damien Martinez
Dez
Footballguy
I know nothing about him
ratbast
Footballguy
Surprised he’s not gone yet
dipandglide
Footballguy
Kyren 2.0
Brown has to be the biggest winner of the draft
Brown has to be the biggest winner of the draft
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Everyone’s favourite trade away in dynasty during the last few months. Pretty happy I held strong! 
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Probably a decent handcuff in the 3rd round of a rookie draft.
