RB Chase Brown, CIN (2 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

Brown starts with Bengals first stringers and picks up a blitz with ease. Praying his ADP doesn’t creep. He’s a steal.

I told you guys how good he was in pass protection all through college.

 

[cheese]

Brown starts with Bengals first stringers and picks up a blitz with ease. Praying his ADP doesn’t creep. He’s a steal.

FWIW Moss was unavailable due to illness. I’m all for Chase Brown, but I’m not sure we learned much from him playing without Moss dressed.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

This is the exact type of guy I keep a couple bucks in my back pocket for during auction drafts. He might not win you the league but he can be a plug in a leaky boat to carry you over an injury week or two. Worst case scenario you cut after a few weeks and don't lose all that much. Best case scenario he takes over the starting job on a team that should be scoring points.

 

[ratbast]

This is the exact type of guy I keep a couple bucks in my back pocket for during auction drafts. He might not win you the league but he can be a plug in a leaky boat to carry you over an injury week or two. Worst case scenario you cut after a few weeks and don't lose all that much. Best case scenario he takes over the starting job on a team that should be scoring points.

His camp has blown up his stock. You’ll have to pay.

 

[travdogg]

This is the exact type of guy I keep a couple bucks in my back pocket for during auction drafts. He might not win you the league but he can be a plug in a leaky boat to carry you over an injury week or two. Worst case scenario you cut after a few weeks and don't lose all that much. Best case scenario he takes over the starting job on a team that should be scoring points.

His camp has blown up his stock. You’ll have to pay.

He's gonna sneak into some low-end RB3 territory.

 

[rodalive]

Brown starts with Bengals first stringers and picks up a blitz with ease. Praying his ADP doesn’t creep. He’s a steal.

FWIW Moss was unavailable due to illness. I’m all for Chase Brown, but I’m not sure we learned much from him playing without Moss dressed.

This is the exact type of guy I keep a couple bucks in my back pocket for during auction drafts. He might not win you the league but he can be a plug in a leaky boat to carry you over an injury week or two. Worst case scenario you cut after a few weeks and don't lose all that much. Best case scenario he takes over the starting job on a team that should be scoring points.

His camp has blown up his stock. You’ll have to pay.

Let's get the inflated price even higher

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Brown starts with Bengals first stringers and picks up a blitz with ease. Praying his ADP doesn’t creep. He’s a steal.

FWIW Moss was unavailable due to illness. I’m all for Chase Brown, but I’m not sure we learned much from him playing without Moss dressed.

This is the exact type of guy I keep a couple bucks in my back pocket for during auction drafts. He might not win you the league but he can be a plug in a leaky boat to carry you over an injury week or two. Worst case scenario you cut after a few weeks and don't lose all that much. Best case scenario he takes over the starting job on a team that should be scoring points.

His camp has blown up his stock. You’ll have to pay.

Let's get the inflated price even higher

Hope so - I bought low in 2 leagues. I want him everywhere. If I miss him in redraft imma be bummed.

 

[Payne]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

 

[TripItUp]

One of my favorite zero RB targets....would be nice if his damn ADP would stop climbing.

 

[Chaka]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

Tell me what isn't there.

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

Besides a few game stretch replacing Taylor, Moss has stunk up the joint.

 

[Payne]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

You disagree Moss was brought in to run the ball? I wouldn't draft either of them.

My point is Brown seems to be getting a lot of underserved love.

 

[Payne]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

Tell me what isn't there.

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

Besides a few game stretch replacing Taylor, Moss has stunk up the joint.

He's accomplished more than Brown.

 

[higgins]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

I’ll reference the 2nd point that meno brought up in this post, and which I very much agree with.

Cincy has been saying for a while now that they want the running game to be more explosive — I’ll let you judge whose running style that more aptly fits.

 

[Chaka]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

Tell me what isn't there.

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

Besides a few game stretch replacing Taylor, Moss has stunk up the joint.

Common refrain. And I put the "besides a few game stretch..." logic right up with "If you take away his big run..." logic.
2020 4.3 ypc
2021 3.6 ypc
2022 Buf 5.4 ypc
2022 Ind 4.9 ypc
2023 4.3 ypc

I didn't say he was a good back, only that he has proven capable.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

I’ve said many times I expect RBBC .

I just think Brown is the better back, so that’s where I’ve been placing my bets.

He’s the incumbent & they didn’t draft a RB, and their only move was bringing in Moss.

Just saying I disagree heartily that they brought in Moss to pound the rock. I’m expecting 60-40, and hoping the 60 is Brown.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

You disagree Moss was brought in to run the ball? I wouldn't draft either of them.

My point is Brown seems to be getting a lot of underserved love.

lol - no, thats literally his job.

I don’t think he’s going to take the shine off Chase.

That seemed to be your implication.

 

[Chaka]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

I’ve said many times I expect RBBC .

I just think Brown is the better back, so that’s where I’ve been placing my bets.

He’s the incumbent & they didn’t draft a RB, and their only move was bringing in Moss.

Just saying I disagree heartily that they brought in Moss to pound the rock. I’m expecting 60-40, and hoping the 60 is Brown.

Yes, I don't see Moss being the lead back either. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 50-50 when the dust settles.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

I’ve said many times I expect RBBC .

I just think Brown is the better back, so that’s where I’ve been placing my bets.

He’s the incumbent & they didn’t draft a RB, and their only move was bringing in Moss.

Just saying I disagree heartily that they brought in Moss to pound the rock. I’m expecting 60-40, and hoping the 60 is Brown.

Yes, I don't see Moss being the lead back either. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 50-50 when the dust settles.

However it shakes out, the dude with more explosiveness is the one I want for FF.

IMO that’s Brown.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

I don't think anyone is claiming either of these guys to be a league winner. We're trying to find value in a backfield that should be part of a good offense. People see more upside with Brown over a journeyman RB who's never really impressed all that much. Moss shined when he was the only functioning piece of a busted offense.

 

[Chaka]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

I’ve said many times I expect RBBC .

I just think Brown is the better back, so that’s where I’ve been placing my bets.

He’s the incumbent & they didn’t draft a RB, and their only move was bringing in Moss.

Just saying I disagree heartily that they brought in Moss to pound the rock. I’m expecting 60-40, and hoping the 60 is Brown.

Yes, I don't see Moss being the lead back either. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 50-50 when the dust settles.

However it shakes out, the dude with more explosiveness is the one I want for FF.

IMO that’s Brown.

IDK Leroy Hoard won a lot of people fantasy Championships.

Both of them.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm starting to think we are trying to find something that isn't there.
I think Moss was brought in to pound the rock. Period.

that’s one narrative. not a very commonly held belief, but you’re certainly welcome to draft him like that. I don’t recommend it, but again that’s just my opinion.

Fortunately for Chase Brown owners, Moss isn’t a very good running back. He’s also not very athletic. And he has a hard time staying healthy.

If I recall correctly, Zach Moss is only getting 3 million guaranteed on what could essentially be a one year deal.

Suffice to say, I disagree with your assertion.

I am sure there are advanced metrics that support those notions but I am always a little leery of advanced metrics. The bottom line is, at the very least Moss has proven to be a capable RB in this league. He has never had more than 183 carries in a season but he has only one season below a 4.3 ypc. He is an average receiver and Brown excelled in that spot last season but he was pretty average as a runner averaging only 0.1 ypc better than Joe Mixon on the same offense (4.1 ypc).

There is room for both these guys to eat in the Cincinnati offense and I think Moss, as long as healthy*, caps Brown's upside.

*Moss may be injury prone but he has played in 13 games every year and 14 last season. Brown may see some time without Moss on the active roster, but he's going to have to contend with Moss for the bulk of the season.

I’ve said many times I expect RBBC .

I just think Brown is the better back, so that’s where I’ve been placing my bets.

He’s the incumbent & they didn’t draft a RB, and their only move was bringing in Moss.

Just saying I disagree heartily that they brought in Moss to pound the rock. I’m expecting 60-40, and hoping the 60 is Brown.

Yes, I don't see Moss being the lead back either. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 50-50 when the dust settles.

However it shakes out, the dude with more explosiveness is the one I want for FF.

IMO that’s Brown.

IDK Leroy Hoard won a lot of people fantasy Championships.

Both of them.

I liked Ernest Byner……oh wait….sorry Browns fans

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Still not getting the love for Chase Brown. If he was the #1 RB on the depth chart people would be doing backflips, Zack Moss is the #1 RB on the depth chart and it's largely ignored.

People downplay Zack Moss' stretch last year where he was scoring as much as CMC, but will happily ignore that Chase Brown has never produced at that level.


The last three seasons, Joe Mixon scored 9,7,13 rushing touchdowns and I assume that Zack Moss will be the primarily goalline RB. So I would expect him to score more TDs than Chase Brown.


I get that Brown is more explosive, but where did that get him last year? 4.1 YPC? Moss had 4.3 YPC on 140 more carries. I see it as a 60/40 split in Moss' favor.

Their ADPs are flipped, for what I believe is bias from when Zack Moss was in Buffalo. The guy had 793 yards (27th most in the league) as a backup RB to Jonathan Taylor. He only played in 14 games. It's not a stretch to get him to 1,000.


We've seen him essentially do it last season. Chase Brown we are working off a 44 carry sample size. Brown is definitely the more talented pass catcher and home run hitter, but that fits more of the mold of a 3rd down RB.



Better yet, are there any other RBs who are #2 on the depth chart that are currently being drafted higher than the #1? Besides when teams draft a stud like Adrian Peterson, I can't really remember the last time the fantasy community has valued a team's backup RB more than the actual starter predraft and have it turn out to be a stroke of genius.



With that said, if their ADPs were flipped I would be making this same write-up in the Zack Moss thread about how Chase Brown is underrated. Food for thought. I'm more of a stats vs eyeball guys. Give me the guy who produced like CMC when given the chance last season over the guy with the perceived juice.

 

[JohnnyU]

Still not getting the love for Chase Brown. If he was the #1 RB on the depth chart people would be doing backflips, Zack Moss is the #1 RB on the depth chart and it's largely ignored.

People downplay Zack Moss' stretch last year where he was scoring as much as CMC, but will happily ignore that Chase Brown has never produced at that level.


The last three seasons, Joe Mixon scored 9,7,13 rushing touchdowns and I assume that Zack Moss will be the primarily goalline RB. So I would expect him to score more TDs than Chase Brown.


I get that Brown is more explosive, but where did that get him last year? 4.1 YPC? Moss had 4.3 YPC on 140 more carries. I see it as a 60/40 split in Moss' favor.

Their ADPs are flipped, for what I believe is bias from when Zack Moss was in Buffalo. The guy had 793 yards (27th most in the league) as a backup RB to Jonathan Taylor. He only played in 14 games. It's not a stretch to get him to 1,000.


We've seen him essentially do it last season. Chase Brown we are working off a 44 carry sample size. Brown is definitely the more talented pass catcher and home run hitter, but that fits more of the mold of a 3rd down RB.



Better yet, are there any other RBs who are #2 on the depth chart that are currently being drafted higher than the #1? Besides when teams draft a stud like Adrian Peterson, I can't really remember the last time the fantasy community has valued a team's backup RB more than the actual starter predraft and have it turn out to be a stroke of genius.



With that said, if their ADPs were flipped I would be making this same write-up in the Zack Moss thread about how Chase Brown is underrated. Food for thought. I'm more of a stats vs eyeball guys. Give me the guy who produced like CMC when given the chance last season over the guy with the perceived juice.

Sorry, but I can’t get Moss’ body of work outside that few game stretch last year replacing Taylor, out of my memory.

 

[brewer]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Chase Brown was a rookie last year and really showed well in the receiving game in a small sample size (one season).

 

[King of the Jungle]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Still not getting the love for Chase Brown. If he was the #1 RB on the depth chart people would be doing backflips, Zack Moss is the #1 RB on the depth chart and it's largely ignored.

People downplay Zack Moss' stretch last year where he was scoring as much as CMC, but will happily ignore that Chase Brown has never produced at that level.


The last three seasons, Joe Mixon scored 9,7,13 rushing touchdowns and I assume that Zack Moss will be the primarily goalline RB. So I would expect him to score more TDs than Chase Brown.


I get that Brown is more explosive, but where did that get him last year? 4.1 YPC? Moss had 4.3 YPC on 140 more carries. I see it as a 60/40 split in Moss' favor.

Their ADPs are flipped, for what I believe is bias from when Zack Moss was in Buffalo. The guy had 793 yards (27th most in the league) as a backup RB to Jonathan Taylor. He only played in 14 games. It's not a stretch to get him to 1,000.


We've seen him essentially do it last season. Chase Brown we are working off a 44 carry sample size. Brown is definitely the more talented pass catcher and home run hitter, but that fits more of the mold of a 3rd down RB.



Better yet, are there any other RBs who are #2 on the depth chart that are currently being drafted higher than the #1? Besides when teams draft a stud like Adrian Peterson, I can't really remember the last time the fantasy community has valued a team's backup RB more than the actual starter predraft and have it turn out to be a stroke of genius.



With that said, if their ADPs were flipped I would be making this same write-up in the Zack Moss thread about how Chase Brown is underrated. Food for thought. I'm more of a stats vs eyeball guys. Give me the guy who produced like CMC when given the chance last season over the guy with the perceived juice.

August 15th depth charts border on the meaningless.

The love is based on the fact that Moss has the athletic profile of a rutabaga, while Chase Brown is an athletic freak who hit the 2nd fastest speed recorded in the NFL last year on a 55 yard TD (22.05 mph). He’s also the incumbent, and likely pass-catching back in what is expected to be a high-powered offense.

No one is ignoring that 4-game sample size where Moss basically was the Indy offense, but it sounds a lot like you’re ignoring the entire rest of his career where he couldn’t stick in BUF. He’s also about to turn 27, where Chase Brown is 24, and Moss has had a bunch of injuries throughout his career. Knee, toe, shoulder, hammy, and arm a couple times.

Doesn’t seem all that hard to understand the love for Brown given the comparison.

Most of those high on Brown believe it will be a committee. Given the talent in question, I prefer the incumbent who’s already earned the trust of his coaches & teammates & has more athleticism over the dude who was a potato much of his career and had a big stretch of games in a small sample.

I won’t tell anyone not to draft Moss though - he could be a solid fit for what the Bengals do, especially out of shotgun. At the moment their ADPs are virtually identical, so that talking point is confusing. Is it really relevant when they’re like 5 picks apart in the same round?

If Moss can stay healthy, he’s a nice bet in redraft. He’s better in best ball & non-PPR IMO.

Brown is the higher upside back, better in PPR, and could be a league-winner if Moss has another injury-marred season.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

It's a good question Henry, no because he was stuck in a bad offense. Mixon, yes because I trust the Bengals front office. Walker, no but I believe he was banged up a little bit and the prior year he had 4.6 YPC. Etienne as a runner yes, but as a receiver no. Etienne is the more complete back but stllylistically they are hard to compare. White, I'd call a tie. White has never impressed me, he's more of a volume guy who is living off the goodwill of those Tom Brady lead Buccaneers teams. White is probably the best comparison for Moss.



I know YPC fluctuates based on scheme, offensive line, and quality of carries but when discussing guys with juice... normally that's a stat that jumps off the page.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

Him comparing yard per carry between a guy who’s going into his 6th year with a guy coming off his rookie year is laughable. Especially considering Moss has done nothing in the receiving game his entire career and hasn’t exactly filled the stat sheet during the last five years. Sounds like false hope to me.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

Him comparing yard per carry between a guy who’s going into his 6th year with a guy coming off his rookie year is laughable. Especially considering Moss has done nothing in the receiving game his entire career and hasn’t exactly filled the stat sheet during the last five years. Sounds like false hope to me.

Zack Moss' career YPC is 4.3. You act like that's bad. He's the lead back on a team with a likely Top 5 offense.

If you give a guy who averages 4.3 YPC 250 carries, he's giving you 1,075 yards. Say hello to Rachaad White for me.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

Him comparing yard per carry between a guy who’s going into his 6th year with a guy coming off his rookie year is laughable. Especially considering Moss has done nothing in the receiving game his entire career and hasn’t exactly filled the stat sheet during the last five years. Sounds like false hope to me.

Zack Moss' career YPC is 4.3. You act like that's bad. He's the lead back on a team with a likely Top 5 offense.

If you give a guy who averages 4.3 YPC 250 carries, he's giving you 1,075 yards. Say hello to Rachaad White for me.

Keep hanging on to the water wagon.

 

[-jb-]

I think the most critical thing to determine here is exactly which root vegetable Moss most resembles.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

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I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

It's a good question Henry, no because he was stuck in a bad offense. Mixon, yes because I trust the Bengals front office. Walker, no but I believe he was banged up a little bit and the prior year he had 4.6 YPC. Etienne as a runner yes, but as a receiver no. Etienne is the more complete back but stllylistically they are hard to compare. White, I'd call a tie. White has never impressed me, he's more of a volume guy who is living off the goodwill of those Tom Brady lead Buccaneers teams. White is probably the best comparison for Moss.



I know YPC fluctuates based on scheme, offensive line, and quality of carries but when discussing guys with juice... normally that's a stat that jumps off the page.

YPC can also be a byproduct of a good run blocking OL.

We’ve seen total JAGs be FF relevant because their line consistently opened massive holes for them.

Quite a few Denver RBs in the Kubiak era come to mind.

YPC is a terrible measure of ability or “juice” as you put it. Some total plodders have had great YPC with stud OL play.

FYI, Indy had the 3rd best OL in final rankings, and incredibly allowed just 15 sacks all year.

RAS is a much better metric.
Brown = 9.8/10

Moss = 2.88/10

Brown has much more juice.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think the most critical thing to determine here is exactly which root vegetable Moss most resembles.

I like me some root vegetables, what can I say.

Plus my new diet is carb deficient and it’s a craving. Probably effecting my subconscious.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Only 15 RB had a higher YPC than Zack Moss last year and a lot of RBs took handoffs. So yes, I see value in that.

NFL Ypc Leaders 2023 | StatMuse

Lamar Jackson had the most rushing yards per attempt in 2023, with 5.5 per attempt.

www.statmuse.com

 

[BIRDGANG52]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

Him comparing yard per carry between a guy who’s going into his 6th year with a guy coming off his rookie year is laughable. Especially considering Moss has done nothing in the receiving game his entire career and hasn’t exactly filled the stat sheet during the last five years. Sounds like false hope to me.

Zack Moss' career YPC is 4.3. You act like that's bad. He's the lead back on a team with a likely Top 5 offense.

If you give a guy who averages 4.3 YPC 250 carries, he's giving you 1,075 yards. Say hello to Rachaad White for me.

Keep hanging on to the water wagon.

The only difference from our mindsets as far as I can tell is that I am not rooting against Chase Brown the way you seem to be rooting against Zack Moss for his production from 2-3 years ago in Buffalo.


I started Moss when he was averaging over 20 points a game last year. Those points counted and I'm sure the #1 RB on the Bengals offense will find himself in a goalline situation of a Joe Burrow lead often more often than not in 2023. Good luck!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Only 15 RB had a higher YPC than Zack Moss last year and a lot of RBs took handoffs. So yes, I see value in that.

NFL Ypc Leaders 2023 | StatMuse

Lamar Jackson had the most rushing yards per attempt in 2023, with 5.5 per attempt.

www.statmuse.com

And with the 3rd best OL in football, YPC is virtually meaningless because literally any RB would have good YPC behind that line.

It’s simply not a good metric to support your argument.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Only 15 RB had a higher YPC than Zack Moss last year and a lot of RBs took handoffs. So yes, I see value in that.

NFL Ypc Leaders 2023 | StatMuse

Lamar Jackson had the most rushing yards per attempt in 2023, with 5.5 per attempt.

www.statmuse.com

And with the 3rd best OL in football, YPC is virtually meaningless because literally any RB would have good YPC behind that line.

It’s simply not a good metric to support your argument.

Okay, sounds good guys, let's never bring up YPC ever again. Just throw it out, it's meaningless. I don't even know why they keep track of that silly stat.

I don't want to see anyone mention it ever again, since we're all in agreement here.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

I dunno I like the younger guy who's been in the system over the guy who's been on almost as many teams as years he's been in the league.

 

[RenegadeRoy]

Only 15 RB had a higher YPC than Zack Moss last year and a lot of RBs took handoffs. So yes, I see value in that.

NFL Ypc Leaders 2023 | StatMuse

Lamar Jackson had the most rushing yards per attempt in 2023, with 5.5 per attempt.

www.statmuse.com

And with the 3rd best OL in football, YPC is virtually meaningless because literally any RB would have good YPC behind that line.

It’s simply not a good metric to support your argument.

Okay, sounds good guys, let's never bring up YPC ever again. Just throw it out, it's meaningless. I don't even know why they keep track of that silly stat.

I don't want to see anyone mention it ever again, since we're all in agreement here.

People were just trying to put it into context. Out of context YPC means relatively little. It's better to use to compare two RBs on the same team.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Only 15 RB had a higher YPC than Zack Moss last year and a lot of RBs took handoffs. So yes, I see value in that.

NFL Ypc Leaders 2023 | StatMuse

Lamar Jackson had the most rushing yards per attempt in 2023, with 5.5 per attempt.

www.statmuse.com

And with the 3rd best OL in football, YPC is virtually meaningless because literally any RB would have good YPC behind that line.

It’s simply not a good metric to support your argument.

Okay, sounds good guys, let's never bring up YPC ever again. Just throw it out, it's meaningless. I don't even know why they keep track of that silly stat.

I don't want to see anyone mention it ever again, since we're all in agreement here.

People were just trying to put it into context. Out of context YPC means relatively little. It's better to use to compare two RBs on the same team.

That's why I brought up his career average though. 4.3YPC is his average on multiple teams, different schemes, and offensive lines.

183 of his 484 career carries were from last year (37.7%).


But I'm sure someone will give me a forensic analysis that he's had a Top 5 offensive line his entire career.

 

[JohnnyU]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

Him comparing yard per carry between a guy who’s going into his 6th year with a guy coming off his rookie year is laughable. Especially considering Moss has done nothing in the receiving game his entire career and hasn’t exactly filled the stat sheet during the last five years. Sounds like false hope to me.

Zack Moss' career YPC is 4.3. You act like that's bad. He's the lead back on a team with a likely Top 5 offense.

If you give a guy who averages 4.3 YPC 250 carries, he's giving you 1,075 yards. Say hello to Rachaad White for me.

Keep hanging on to the water wagon.

The only difference from our mindsets as far as I can tell is that I am not rooting against Chase Brown the way you seem to be rooting against Zack Moss for his production from 2-3 years ago in Buffalo.


I started Moss when he was averaging over 20 points a game last year. Those points counted and I'm sure the #1 RB on the Bengals offense will find himself in a goalline situation of a Joe Burrow lead often more often than not in 2023. Good luck!

A few game stretch replacing a RB behind a good run blocking OL doesn’t erase everything he’s done in his entire career. Did I also say Moss hasn’t done anything in the receiving game in 5 years? It matters.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

I don't think anyone is saying that Chase is going to get 80% of the snaps. I think they are speculating that he might in fact do more with his 40-50% than Moss does and at some point that tips the scales to where he gets the 60% at a higher rate of production.

What is that speculation founded on though?

Zack Moss has averaged a higher YPC in every season he's played in than Chase Brown (4.1 YPC) had last year except once: 4.3, 3.6, 4.9, 4.3


I know that Chase Brown is faster than Zack Moss but it takes more than just running fast to play RB. I would have just expected a home run RB to average a higher YPC than a guy who is being treated like a slug in Zack Moss. James Cook for instance averaged 5.7 YPC as a rookie, that to me is an example of what a RB with juice looks like.


That's just me though. I know Brown has a smaller sample size, but usually YPC trends down not up when given more carries.

14 TDs in 5 years, no help in the receiving game,and 4.3 doesn’t mean what it used to in 1976. If that isn’t mediocre I don’t know what is.

Okay, so Zack Moss is mediocre, I can concede that viewpoint. What does that make his backup who averaged less YPC last season?

Moss had a better ypc than Henry, Mixon, Walker, Etienne, White, etc last year. Do you think he is the better running back because of that?

Him comparing yard per carry between a guy who’s going into his 6th year with a guy coming off his rookie year is laughable. Especially considering Moss has done nothing in the receiving game his entire career and hasn’t exactly filled the stat sheet during the last five years. Sounds like false hope to me.

Zack Moss' career YPC is 4.3. You act like that's bad. He's the lead back on a team with a likely Top 5 offense.

If you give a guy who averages 4.3 YPC 250 carries, he's giving you 1,075 yards. Say hello to Rachaad White for me.

Keep hanging on to the water wagon.

The only difference from our mindsets as far as I can tell is that I am not rooting against Chase Brown the way you seem to be rooting against Zack Moss for his production from 2-3 years ago in Buffalo.


I started Moss when he was averaging over 20 points a game last year. Those points counted and I'm sure the #1 RB on the Bengals offense will find himself in a goalline situation of a Joe Burrow lead often more often than not in 2023. Good luck!

A few game stretch replacing a RB behind a good run blocking OL doesn’t erase everything he’s done in his entire career. Did I also say Moss hasn’t done anything in the receiving game in 5 years? It matters.

How many carries do you think Zack Moss will get next year? Starting RBs have value and right now he's the guy keeping Joe Burrow upright.


Also in PPR, 1TD = 6 catches.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Okay, sounds good guys, let's never bring up YPC ever again. Just throw it out, it's meaningless. I don't even know why they keep track of that silly stat.

I don't want to see anyone mention it ever again, since we're all in agreement here.

I said in context of the OL quality. You’re using it to prove he has “juice”

See my prior post about RAS score. Far more significant measure of a player’s athleticism.

Yes, Moss took advantage. He didn’t run into the backs of his OL. But that’s all one can divine from YPC. And frankly you’ll hardly ever see me use it to defend a player, especially in a small sample size, and specifically because it’s so OL-dependent.

CIN doesn’t have as good of a run-blocking OL as INDY. Maybe that will hurt Moss’ YPC. Maybe it won’t. If it doesn’t, then sure - I’ll say his YPC is relevant.

But you seem to be deliberately missing the point of my comment.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I dunno I like the younger guy who's been in the system over the guy who's been on almost as many teams as years he's been in the league.

This.