HairySasquatch
Footballguy
Ours just finished a couple days ago....I picked him up tonight before the game in two dynasty leagues....one a 4 round and the other a 5 round....both 12 teams.
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RB Chris Carson, SEA - 10.7.21 - Neck Issue (3 Viewers)
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JFS171
Footballguy
I'm wondering where he goes in any rookie drafts today. I think last night changed the conversation potentially.
HairySasquatch
Footballguy
I would start thinking about pulling the trigger on Carson when Perine, Foreman, J. Williams, and Mack come off the board. If DeAngelo Henderson gets picked, Carson wont be far behind. I think that puts him at the end of the second/beginning of the third range.
ex-ghost
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I suspect he is the third down back when Prosise is injured.... which is always. Rawls will get 5-8 carries a game with Lacy getting the rest. When Rawls is injured.... which is most the time you will see Carson get the Rawls carries
pantherclub
Footballguy
I dont know man Lacy has looked terrible. This is an interesting situation to watch especially if Rawls cannot get his ankle up to par. But yeah lacy is just bad right now
ex-ghost
Footballguy
We'll see how the contracts play out. Local beat writers say the 4 that should make the team are Rawls, Carson, Davis and Collins if you took money and draft pedigree out of the conversation.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Looked good last night in limited time. They are not going to pound their workhorse into the ground in the preseason.
Gopher State
Footballguy
End of the season Lacy leads this backfield in yards and tds, he looked great last night with limited carries
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Most are reading too much into the preseason which is great. You can grab him late. Lynch never got tons of preseason carries... why would you.
Carson does have value especially in PPR imo. I think he takes the 3rd down back role because Prosise can't stay on the field... lots of talk about the Hawks being unhappy with him.
ex-ghost
Footballguy
I live in Seattle, too. It was just on the radio, chill out. I should have said a host on the radio, not beat writers, my bad.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
This whole backfield is looking like a serious CF for FF owners.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yeah, unless 3 guys are splitting work and either divvy up the FF pts or different guys have solid scores each week. Good luck with your value there.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
So which is it? Is Carson the workhorse they are saving during the preseason or is he the future 3rd down back?
pantherclub
Footballguy
Are you really comparing Lacy to Lynch? I get that you are a homer and appreciate the input but I dont see any similarities between the two.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Sorry, let me clarify. Lacy is the workhorse they are saving during the preseason. He will rush for over 1000 yards and 10tds.
Carson will fill in for the Rawls change of pace role when Rawls is injured and Carson will fill the 3rd down Prosise role when Prosise is injured. Both Rawls and Prosise are injured frequently.
Chaka
Footballguy
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification, I could definitely see it play out that way.
Rawls seems like more of an x-factor as it relates to Lacy. I too have been reading the reports of the Seahawks being tired of Prosise and his injuries, which seems like a solid reason to bump Carson.
pantherclub
Footballguy
IMO his workhorse days are long gone. Guys like that just dont miraculously regain their speed (which he has never been that fast) or recover from the early career pounding. From some of the articles online it appears the team isnt happy with where he is at right now. I dont see any value now in this backfield but certainly someone can emerge (Rawls, Carson?) but I wouldnt count on Lacy to do anything other than bring me a sandwich.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I'm comparing their preseason usage. I picked Lynch because it seemed relevant as it's happened under the same coach. Do any workhorse RBs get run into the ground in the preseason?
ETA: Wilson still remains far superior to Newton.
Enforcer
Footballguy
Note: I don't believe in guys being "injury prone". They're all at risk of getting injured. Every player is potentially injury prone...until he isn't anymore. RB Robert Smith was injury prone, until he wasn't anymore. WRs Joey Galloway and Isaac Bruce had constant hamstring injuries, until they didn't anymore.
IMO Rawls is the guy, the feature back, the bell-cow, whatever you want to call him. He runs violently and with passion. He has the attitude the team wants to see in their feature back. I think he keeps Lacy and Carson on the bench with Procise working as the third down back. I think Lacy is too much of a plodder and lacks the burst they want to see. Perhaps he gets more work in short yardage, but I just don't see him getting the first and second down carries between the 20s.
Time will tell. I've been wrong before, but this is my perception after having watched many years of the PC/JS Seahawks.
IMO Rawls is the guy, the feature back, the bell-cow, whatever you want to call him. He runs violently and with passion. He has the attitude the team wants to see in their feature back. I think he keeps Lacy and Carson on the bench with Procise working as the third down back. I think Lacy is too much of a plodder and lacks the burst they want to see. Perhaps he gets more work in short yardage, but I just don't see him getting the first and second down carries between the 20s.
Time will tell. I've been wrong before, but this is my perception after having watched many years of the PC/JS Seahawks.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Lacy is a with a new team. Lynch was always established. Lacy has looked slow as usual. Again I think Lacy is going to dissappoint which is why we are in this thread trying to figure out if Carson (or lynch) is going to be the play a few games down the road because I assure you it aint goign to be lacy.
ETA: okay
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I agree with this. Lacy will have a couple of big games and tease owners as usual, but it's dangerous to trust that guy on a weekly basis.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I'd love to read those articles you reference. Pete has had nothing but good things to say about Lacy. Rotoworld and disconnected fantasy option blog guy should not be trusted.
Go on Seahawks.com and find Pete's press conferences. He also appears on 710am in Seattle typically on Monday mornings I believe although I'm not sure that's an every week thing just yet. He has only praised Lacy.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I assume you know what coach speak is
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Carroll also had nothing but good things to say about Terrell Owens that summer they brought him in...and then he cut him.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
How is Carson in pass protection? that might be a deciding factor. I don't think Rawls and Procise have any meaningful production in this offense this season.
Maybe they like Carson more than Lacy because he can hit the holes faster, something that's needed with a lesser line like Seattle's..
I dont think Lacy was brought in to be a benchwarmer. they'll give him 2-3 weeks to prove he can do it , if not, enter Carson..just my take. I like the Scientist's review that Lacy should be 1000-10 td..
I dont own him
Maybe they like Carson more than Lacy because he can hit the holes faster, something that's needed with a lesser line like Seattle's..
I dont think Lacy was brought in to be a benchwarmer. they'll give him 2-3 weeks to prove he can do it , if not, enter Carson..just my take. I like the Scientist's review that Lacy should be 1000-10 td..
I dont own him
Enforcer
Footballguy
Fieldgulls is conducting a poll today that speaks volumes about what rabid Seahawks fans think of the situation.
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/8/26/16208540/poll-who-should-be-the-primary-running-back-seattle-seahawks
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/8/26/16208540/poll-who-should-be-the-primary-running-back-seattle-seahawks
Gopher State
Footballguy
Enforcer
Footballguy
Why is that too bad?
Apologies. I wasn't looking to get into a competition where people hope to guess who's right. I was just sharing the opinions of Seattle fans that pay close attention to the team. Having access to as much information as possible helps us all to make good decisions when drafting fantasy players. I'm just trying to share, not looking to compete with you. If you feel the need to come back later with a hearty "I told you so" you're wasting your time and not really helping other board members.
This said, I agree wholeheartedly with you that the coaches will make the important decisions. Have you heard something from Carroll or Bevell that leads you to believe that Rawls isn't the starter day 1? I think they've been clear on who the starter is so far. If you are making assumptions based on contract sizes that's a big mistake. This team more than others works on the fundamental concept of meritocracy. The better player in their eyes is going to play more. They've been very consistent from the start of their tenure here in Seattle. When they benched Aaron Curry (number four overall pick in the 2009 draft) in favor of KJ Wright I took notice. When they started Wilson ahead of the higher paid Flynn I became a believer.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He is 26.... and speed has never been his game. He averaged 5ypc before he was injured last year. McCarthy didn't like his weight and punished him for it but his play never suffered. Pete is more open minded as a coach and he wants an RB that punishes the D.
Tau837
Footballguy
I would think if all players were healthy and remained so, Rawls is the lead RB on base/running downs and Prosise is the lead RB on passing downs. I would expect Lacy to back up Rawls and Carson to back up Prosise. What really muddles this is that Rawls and Prosise have been unable to stay healthy.
If Carson's preseason performance carries over to real games, he could easily supplant Prosise without an injury. Per camp reports, he has been the best pass blocker of these backs, in addition to being very productive with his touches.
From a cap perspective, if the team were to cut Lacy, say in favor of Davis, it is virtually neutral to cap hit... they would save $697K on Lacy's cap hit but Davis would add a cap hit of $552K. Unfortunately, they have a sunk cap cost of $2.865M in Lacy regardless.
If Carson's preseason performance carries over to real games, he could easily supplant Prosise without an injury. Per camp reports, he has been the best pass blocker of these backs, in addition to being very productive with his touches.
From a cap perspective, if the team were to cut Lacy, say in favor of Davis, it is virtually neutral to cap hit... they would save $697K on Lacy's cap hit but Davis would add a cap hit of $552K. Unfortunately, they have a sunk cap cost of $2.865M in Lacy regardless.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
How bad, fat, and slow does Eddie Lacy have to be to be losing out to oft injured Rawls and a rookie 7th round draft pick
Weebs210
Footballguy
Seems as of now Lacy hasn't been beaten out as he was named the starter right? Something to watch for though.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I was referring to Faust's post above really...
A lot of positive stuff coming out of Seattle regarding Lacy this offseason and to have him 1. listed as the back up, and 2. tied with a 7th round pick for the backup slot... kind of makes me think nothing but a bunch of smoke and mirrors for Lacy this offseason
Could be wrong. I do own Lacy, took him as a flier RB4. I feel pretty good about it. I don't mind cutting him if I need to, just would like it to work out so I can have some trade bait.
ponchsox
Footballguy
The point being Carson needs to be rostered in 12+ team leagues. He's getting meaningful snaps on Sunday and this might be the path he needs to have fantasy value.
Weebs210
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Me too. 5 bench spots... would need to drop Lacy to roster him. I suppose I could drop Lee for him, as that's just a flier WR, but I don't really want to be heavily invested in a mess of a backfield either. So many RBs on that team that could pan out
timbrah_ho
Footballguy
Should I drop DeAndre Washington for this guy? Haven't followed the thread but heard rumblings he has impressed in camp.
