RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

General manager Brett Veach says Chiefs undecided on picking up RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire's fifth-year option

That sounds like a no.

 

[rockaction]

That sounds like a no.

That sounds like a man that drafted him IN THE FIRST ROUND OVER JONATHAN TAYLOR AND D'ANDRE SWIFT AND CAM AKERS AND...

and the beat goes on. La da da da de.

eta* I mean it sounds like Brett Veach was the drafter, not any fantasy player.

 

[JohnnyU]

That sounds like a no.

That sounds like a man that drafted him IN THE FIRST ROUND OVER JONATHAN TAYLOR AND D'ANDRE SWIFT AND CAM AKERS AND...

and the beat goes on. La da da da de.

I didn't draft him over Taylor, but I did draft him 1.02 in one league and only have one share. Every time I see this thread bumped a little bit of vomit rises to my taste buds.

 

[rockaction]

I didn't draft him over Taylor, but I did draft him 1.02 in one league and only have one share.

Oh, I did not mean Hot Sauce Guy. I meant Brett Veach. I should clarify that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I didn't draft him over Taylor, but I did draft him 1.02 in one league and only have one share.

Oh, I did not mean Hot Sauce Guy. I meant Brett Veach. I should clarify that.

Yeah, I never drafted him.








*I acquired him via trade as part of a Mahomes deal, then an angel of mercy offered my own 1st back to me for him, with which I will be selecting Bijan.

 

[rockaction]

But yeah, I traded down and out of the 1.01 that year and vomit a little about that when Jonathan Taylor, who was the best RB prospect in about ten years (Yes, better than Barkley because of college production) was available. I passed him over.

Awful move. But it helped my lineup in certain ways because of draft positioning and picks in 2022, which to led winning it that same year because i was able to flip top-notch talent for guys who were scoring oodles of points. Luck. Dynasty is so much luck.

 

[barackdhouse]

But yeah, I traded down and out of the 1.01 that year and vomit a little about that when Jonathan Taylor, who was the best RB prospect in about ten years (Yes, better than Barkley because of college production) was available. I passed him over.

Awful move. But it helped my lineup in certain ways because of draft positioning and picks in 2022, which to led winning it that same year because i was able to flip top-notch talent for guys who were scoring oodles of points. Luck. Dynasty is so much luck.

I wanted CEH but never really had the opportunity in rookie drafts. The one spot I did was a big rebuild and I moved back from 1.01 to 1.03+Diontae, where I took Dobbins. All the same I'd rather have just taken Taylor.

 

[kface]

Did this guy ever fall off the cliff...

 

[JohnnyU]

Did this guy ever fall off the cliff...

I don't think he ever climbed it.

 

[IHEARTFF]

he has played on a lot of championship teams I guess

 

[JohnnyU]

he has played on a lot of championship teams I guess

I wonder if he is proud of that ring last season?

 

[menobrown]

I was high on him coming in and took him at 1.1 of a few leagues and most of them I traded for the pick so I'm here to own that mistake. Either he or Trent Richardson are going down as my worst calls in my dynasty history.

I made excuses for him early on but after year two decided to started bailing but even then I was not entirely sure he would suck and sure did not see him getting beat out by a 7th rounder. I did ok on my bailouts(Walker and ETN) but held in one place I could not unload him. That league had cutdowns due yesterday to 18 players and I decided to keep him but the options he was up against was dudes like Michael Carter, Boyd, etc, etc. Even then I only kept him in because he's very young and in hopes the Chiefs decide it's best for everyone to part ways and give him a fresh start. I don't think they will cut him, no real need with his contract guaranteed, and he sure does not have much trade value, but I keep hearing if he's free or cheap enough the Bengals have interest. I basically hold on hoping for that or some kind of fresh start.Obvious argument is he's just not very good so does not matter where he goes and that's hard to argue against but just the same I wanted to hold one more place just in case.

 

[rockaction]

I don't think they will cut him, no real need with his contract guaranteed, and he sure does not have much trade value, but I keep hearing if he's free or cheap enough the Bengals have interest. I basically hold on hoping for that or some kind of fresh start

I have him in one league. I'd love to see him go to the Bengals and just kill it. I doubt it, though. He just looks slow and not elusive. Maybe it's the blocking scheme or the offensive scheme, but it sure doesn't look it.

 

[menobrown]

I don't think they will cut him, no real need with his contract guaranteed, and he sure does not have much trade value, but I keep hearing if he's free or cheap enough the Bengals have interest. I basically hold on hoping for that or some kind of fresh start

I have him in one league. I'd love to see him go to the Bengals and just kill it. I doubt it, though. He just looks slow and not elusive. Maybe it's the blocking scheme or the offensive scheme, but it sure doesn't look it.

I can't disagree. It's wishful thinking, not really rationale thinking.

 

[JohnnyU]

I was high on him coming in and took him at 1.1 of a few leagues and most of them I traded for the pick so I'm here to own that mistake. Either he or Trent Richardson are going down as my worst calls in my dynasty history.

I made excuses for him early on but after year two decided to started bailing but even then I was not entirely sure he would suck and sure did not see him getting beat out by a 7th rounder. I did ok on my bailouts(Walker and ETN) but held in one place I could not unload him. That league had cutdowns due yesterday to 18 players and I decided to keep him but the options he was up against was dudes like Michael Carter, Boyd, etc, etc. Even then I only kept him in because he's very young and in hopes the Chiefs decide it's best for everyone to part ways and give him a fresh start. I don't think they will cut him, no real need with his contract guaranteed, and he sure does not have much trade value, but I keep hearing if he's free or cheap enough the Bengals have interest. I basically hold on hoping for that or some kind of fresh start.Obvious argument is he's just not very good so does not matter where he goes and that's hard to argue against but just the same I wanted to hold one more place just in case.

I respect this, in a big way.

 

[rockaction]

I respect this, in a big way.

I do, too. I remember back when this was going on and I was going against the grain with CEH and the thread turned a bit on me. meno never turned on me, just disagreed and went about his way. I appreciated that and still do. Same with our take on James Robinson.

In the end, I wound up with shares of both (even after I traded Robinson) because I listen to the people on the board. I hope people know how much their comments might mean to somebody reading them. I think meno does and puts his capital where his thoughts are. I respect that.

 

[Faust]

Arrowhead Pride's Pete Sweeney reports Clyde Edwards-Helaire is "stepping up" at Chiefs OTAs.​

Sweeney said Edwards-Helaire "is in great shape, and [head coach Andy] Reid said he noticed he looks quick and strong." Isiah Pacheco, who took over lead back duties near the end of the 2022 season, is still recovering from surgeries to repair a broken hand and a torn labrum -- injuries he played with during Kansas City's Super Bowl run last winter. A massive fantasy disappointment in his first three NFL seasons, Edwards-Helaire, 24, wouldn't see considerable opportunity in the KC backfield unless Pacheco or Jerick McKinnon missed time in 2023. The Chiefs in early May declined CEH's fifth-year contract option.
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• Isiah Pacheco
• , Jerick McKinnon

SOURCE: Pete Sweeney on Twitter
May 25, 2023, 10:02 AM ET

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Reid said he noticed he looks quick and strong.

How strong can some one look in non-contact drills?

 

[rockaction]

How strong can some one look in non-contact drills?

It implies he once looked weaker while performing them, which could certainly be the case with CEH.

Zing! Couldn't help it!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How strong can some one look in non-contact drills?

It implies he once looked weaker while performing them, which could certainly be the case with CEH.

Zing! Couldn't help it!

Maybe it was a windy day.

 

[dipandglide]

Oh, baby! We're back!

You could do much worse than CEH, given he's free again and playing on a top-three offense.

 

[Max Power]

Oh, baby! We're back!

You could do much worse than CEH, given he's free again and playing on a top-three offense.

Contract year! You can just feel he's gonna be good now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Here we go again!

The hype is building!







Nope. Nada. Not feeling it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Here we go again!

The hype is building!







Nope. Nada. Not feeling it.

Jeremy Hill vibes

 

[Max Power]

Everything I'm seeing here screams buy low

 

[JohnnyU]

Everything I'm seeing here screams buy low

I feel cleaner having sold him during my dynasty draft and selected Sean Tucker.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Just so much nope. It’s a nope-a-palooza.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

I'm going into my 6th year playing ff. It's amazing to look back at some players and think of how much my opinion has changed-- and changed again. You're going to be wrong a lot in this business, just how it is. You have to try and understand what's emotional versus what's logical in terms of evaluating players and their ability to contribute value.

I'm by no means more scarred than many here by Clyde but it's hard to overlook those scars or times I was high on him only to have him disappoint. On an emotional level, he's such a no for most of us. But breaking down the logic it's just as easy to make a case against. He's not better at much --than guys on his own depth chart. And the team seems headed to a backfield split that might mean that nobody is good for ff on a consistent basis enough to trust to plug into your lineup.

McKinnon-Pacheco-CEH-Prince(?) If we look back at previous backfields that looked like this, we can simply say "no" unless you're throwing darts in later rounds in best ball. In dynasty, they're all holds until the roles get defined, either through the team's actions or those forced upon the team by injuries. He's a buy low but only in the way that other third string rbs are. He's just not a special talent, unfortunately.

So many careers and impressions are made and broken by injuries. It's such a bizarre and difficult part of the game. Everyone wants to have an edge in evaluating talent or reading situations. Then irrational coaching, luck and injuries blow up so much of that intellectual investment. In the end, chaos rules. The only true edge is paying attention and grinding. It's not a guarantee but it's the only way to make your own luck. And even that's not enough to overcome bad luck. But it's all we have.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm going into my 6th year playing ff. It's amazing to look back at some players and think of how much my opinion has changed-- and changed again. You're going to be wrong a lot in this business, just how it is. You have to try and understand what's emotional versus what's logical in terms of evaluating players and their ability to contribute value.

I'm by no means more scarred than many here by Clyde but it's hard to overlook those scars or times I was high on him only to have him disappoint. On an emotional level, he's such a no for most of us. But breaking down the logic it's just as easy to make a case against. He's not better at much --than guys on his own depth chart. And the team seems headed to a backfield split that might mean that nobody is good for ff on a consistent basis enough to trust to plug into your lineup.

McKinnon-Pacheco-CEH-Prince(?) If we look back at previous backfields that looked like this, we can simply say "no" unless you're throwing darts in later rounds in best ball. In dynasty, they're all holds until the roles get defined, either through the team's actions or those forced upon the team by injuries. He's a buy low but only in the way that other third string rbs are. He's just not a special talent, unfortunately.

So many careers and impressions are made and broken by injuries. It's such a bizarre and difficult part of the game. Everyone wants to have an edge in evaluating talent or reading situations. Then irrational coaching, luck and injuries blow up so much of that intellectual investment. In the end, chaos rules. The only true edge is paying attention and grinding. It's not a guarantee but it's the only way to make your own luck. And even that's not enough to overcome bad luck. But it's all we have.

Summarized: nope

 

[Biabreakable]

I'm going into my 6th year playing ff. It's amazing to look back at some players and think of how much my opinion has changed-- and changed again. You're going to be wrong a lot in this business, just how it is. You have to try and understand what's emotional versus what's logical in terms of evaluating players and their ability to contribute value.

I'm by no means more scarred than many here by Clyde but it's hard to overlook those scars or times I was high on him only to have him disappoint. On an emotional level, he's such a no for most of us. But breaking down the logic it's just as easy to make a case against. He's not better at much --than guys on his own depth chart. And the team seems headed to a backfield split that might mean that nobody is good for ff on a consistent basis enough to trust to plug into your lineup.

McKinnon-Pacheco-CEH-Prince(?) If we look back at previous backfields that looked like this, we can simply say "no" unless you're throwing darts in later rounds in best ball. In dynasty, they're all holds until the roles get defined, either through the team's actions or those forced upon the team by injuries. He's a buy low but only in the way that other third string rbs are. He's just not a special talent, unfortunately.

So many careers and impressions are made and broken by injuries. It's such a bizarre and difficult part of the game. Everyone wants to have an edge in evaluating talent or reading situations. Then irrational coaching, luck and injuries blow up so much of that intellectual investment. In the end, chaos rules. The only true edge is paying attention and grinding. It's not a guarantee but it's the only way to make your own luck. And even that's not enough to overcome bad luck. But it's all we have.

Summarized: nope

While your comment made me chuckle and I appreciate that, I dont think that is all greenmountaingoat was saying.

What I heard from his statement was to keep an open mind and I dig that.

My opinion about CEH is and has been no thanks, but I am willing to change my mind if given reasons to.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm going into my 6th year playing ff. It's amazing to look back at some players and think of how much my opinion has changed-- and changed again. You're going to be wrong a lot in this business, just how it is. You have to try and understand what's emotional versus what's logical in terms of evaluating players and their ability to contribute value.

I'm by no means more scarred than many here by Clyde but it's hard to overlook those scars or times I was high on him only to have him disappoint. On an emotional level, he's such a no for most of us. But breaking down the logic it's just as easy to make a case against. He's not better at much --than guys on his own depth chart. And the team seems headed to a backfield split that might mean that nobody is good for ff on a consistent basis enough to trust to plug into your lineup.

McKinnon-Pacheco-CEH-Prince(?) If we look back at previous backfields that looked like this, we can simply say "no" unless you're throwing darts in later rounds in best ball. In dynasty, they're all holds until the roles get defined, either through the team's actions or those forced upon the team by injuries. He's a buy low but only in the way that other third string rbs are. He's just not a special talent, unfortunately.

So many careers and impressions are made and broken by injuries. It's such a bizarre and difficult part of the game. Everyone wants to have an edge in evaluating talent or reading situations. Then irrational coaching, luck and injuries blow up so much of that intellectual investment. In the end, chaos rules. The only true edge is paying attention and grinding. It's not a guarantee but it's the only way to make your own luck. And even that's not enough to overcome bad luck. But it's all we have.

Summarized: nope

While your comment made me chuckle and I appreciate that, I dont think that is all greenmountaingoat was saying.

What I heard from his statement was to keep an open mind and I dig that.

My opinion about CEH is and has been no thanks, but I am willing to change my mind if given reasons to.

Flava Flave was the dopest

CEH is the nopest.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

I'm going into my 6th year playing ff. It's amazing to look back at some players and think of how much my opinion has changed-- and changed again. You're going to be wrong a lot in this business, just how it is. You have to try and understand what's emotional versus what's logical in terms of evaluating players and their ability to contribute value.

I'm by no means more scarred than many here by Clyde but it's hard to overlook those scars or times I was high on him only to have him disappoint. On an emotional level, he's such a no for most of us. But breaking down the logic it's just as easy to make a case against. He's not better at much --than guys on his own depth chart. And the team seems headed to a backfield split that might mean that nobody is good for ff on a consistent basis enough to trust to plug into your lineup.

McKinnon-Pacheco-CEH-Prince(?) If we look back at previous backfields that looked like this, we can simply say "no" unless you're throwing darts in later rounds in best ball. In dynasty, they're all holds until the roles get defined, either through the team's actions or those forced upon the team by injuries. He's a buy low but only in the way that other third string rbs are. He's just not a special talent, unfortunately.

So many careers and impressions are made and broken by injuries. It's such a bizarre and difficult part of the game. Everyone wants to have an edge in evaluating talent or reading situations. Then irrational coaching, luck and injuries blow up so much of that intellectual investment. In the end, chaos rules. The only true edge is paying attention and grinding. It's not a guarantee but it's the only way to make your own luck. And even that's not enough to overcome bad luck. But it's all we have.

Summarized: nope

While your comment made me chuckle and I appreciate that, I dont think that is all greenmountaingoat was saying.

What I heard from his statement was to keep an open mind and I dig that.

My opinion about CEH is and has been no thanks, but I am willing to change my mind if given reasons to.

yup

Ignore emotions. CEH price should be set at Jerome Forde level. Interesting thing is I typed that then checked on KTC and they're actually RB 56 and 57.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm going into my 6th year playing ff. It's amazing to look back at some players and think of how much my opinion has changed-- and changed again. You're going to be wrong a lot in this business, just how it is. You have to try and understand what's emotional versus what's logical in terms of evaluating players and their ability to contribute value.

I'm by no means more scarred than many here by Clyde but it's hard to overlook those scars or times I was high on him only to have him disappoint. On an emotional level, he's such a no for most of us. But breaking down the logic it's just as easy to make a case against. He's not better at much --than guys on his own depth chart. And the team seems headed to a backfield split that might mean that nobody is good for ff on a consistent basis enough to trust to plug into your lineup.

McKinnon-Pacheco-CEH-Prince(?) If we look back at previous backfields that looked like this, we can simply say "no" unless you're throwing darts in later rounds in best ball. In dynasty, they're all holds until the roles get defined, either through the team's actions or those forced upon the team by injuries. He's a buy low but only in the way that other third string rbs are. He's just not a special talent, unfortunately.

So many careers and impressions are made and broken by injuries. It's such a bizarre and difficult part of the game. Everyone wants to have an edge in evaluating talent or reading situations. Then irrational coaching, luck and injuries blow up so much of that intellectual investment. In the end, chaos rules. The only true edge is paying attention and grinding. It's not a guarantee but it's the only way to make your own luck. And even that's not enough to overcome bad luck. But it's all we have.

Summarized: nope

While your comment made me chuckle and I appreciate that, I dont think that is all greenmountaingoat was saying.

What I heard from his statement was to keep an open mind and I dig that.

My opinion about CEH is and has been no thanks, but I am willing to change my mind if given reasons to.

yup

Ignore emotions. CEH price should be set at Jerome Forde level. Interesting thing is I typed that then checked on KTC and they're actually RB 56 and 57.

If I can get him as a fifth running back, I’m in

Otherwise, nope nope. Nope

 

[Biabreakable]

Yeah my main issue with CEH has been hype and price. He has a play style I actually like but still lacks the burst/acceleration I think he needs to really hit at this level of competition.

If the price is that low now though I wouldn't mind having him just to see what if, even though I don't expect much.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

He was pretty good for teams that went zero RB or hero RB last season, for about 4 weeks. PPR scoring was 19, 11, 9 and 21pts and then a dude 3.5 in week 5. To the bench he went!

I was doing pretty well in those leagues, that’s exactly the kind of production I try to find when going WR heavy earlier on in drafts.

This year, he will be free at the end of most drafts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This year, he will be free at the end of most drafts.

Maybe redraft. His dynasty ADP is currently in the 185 range.

For a 16-team league that’s mid-11th round. 12 team it’s mid 15th.

Seems about right. Not quite “free” but ahead of K & backup TE territory.