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RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire, KC (2 Viewers)

last night will likely be a normal week.
He doesn’t normally break long runs.

I’d say last night minus the 50+ run where he got tuckered out and slid (1st time I’ve ever seen a RB do that) will be closer to a normal week.
Last year he was in select company of just a few RBs with over 100 carries, and none over 20 yards. But, he has averaged about 4.3 ypc due to 1) Mahomes 2) he may have good vision.
Credit where due, he’s looked more patient this year. It’s an underrated attribute for RBs.
 
From an article I just read:

  • One more thing: Clyde Edwards-Helaire has given us good Fantasy production two weeks in a row, which makes him a pretty obvious sell-high candidate heading into Week 3. Thursday, he had a 52-yard run with the Chiefs trying to milk the clock, which brought him to 15.8 PPR points, but he still had just eight carries in this one, with Jerick McKinnon getting the touchdown near the goal line this time around. Edwards-Helaire did leave this game briefly with a knee injury, but he returned before long, so I don't think that adequately explains his limited touches. I think he's just a part-time player in a committee, and that makes it unlikely he'll sustain this production. Sell before your league mates realize it.
 
Mighty Mouse is getting the Job done…he’s only proving why he needs more touches … he bulldozed through Derwin James pretty nice last night …
 
Mighty Mouse is getting the Job done…he’s only proving why he needs more touches … he bulldozed through Derwin James pretty nice last night …
Which makes it even more weird that Andy Reid went to McKinnon for the only goal to go touches.

Don’t forget, CEH had 2 great games early last year, too.
 
From an article I just read:

  • One more thing: Clyde Edwards-Helaire has given us good Fantasy production two weeks in a row, which makes him a pretty obvious sell-high candidate heading into Week 3. Thursday, he had a 52-yard run with the Chiefs trying to milk the clock, which brought him to 15.8 PPR points, but he still had just eight carries in this one, with Jerick McKinnon getting the touchdown near the goal line this time around. Edwards-Helaire did leave this game briefly with a knee injury, but he returned before long, so I don't think that adequately explains his limited touches. I think he's just a part-time player in a committee, and that makes it unlikely he'll sustain this production. Sell before your league mates realize it.
I see their point, but the argument is kind of funny if you think about it:

"This guy had two good weeks in a row. Sell him."

Don't you WANT your players to be producing?

I get their point about workload though. Main reason why Clyde stayed on my bench this week. Way too many single digit carry games lately (including the playoffs last season). A low touch count is always a scary thing in FF unless you think it's going to flip.
 
From an article I just read:

  • One more thing: Clyde Edwards-Helaire has given us good Fantasy production two weeks in a row, which makes him a pretty obvious sell-high candidate heading into Week 3. Thursday, he had a 52-yard run with the Chiefs trying to milk the clock, which brought him to 15.8 PPR points, but he still had just eight carries in this one, with Jerick McKinnon getting the touchdown near the goal line this time around. Edwards-Helaire did leave this game briefly with a knee injury, but he returned before long, so I don't think that adequately explains his limited touches. I think he's just a part-time player in a committee, and that makes it unlikely he'll sustain this production. Sell before your league mates realize it.
I see their point, but the argument is kind of funny if you think about it:

"This guy had two good weeks in a row. Sell him."

Don't you WANT your players to be producing?

I get their point about workload though. Main reason why Clyde stayed on my bench this week. Way too many single digit carry games lately (including the playoffs last season). A low touch count is always a scary thing in FF unless you think it's going to flip.
I don’t know if flip is the right word but I definitely think CEH sees more touches ahead. He was out of the game the majority of a quarter after he got his knee stepped on. The Chiefs only ran 54 plays compared to 74 by the Chargers. He out touched McKinnon 12 to 6. If the Chiefs ran 74 plays, that brings him to 16 touches and add in the missed time from the knee and it’s closer to 20. When the game is on the line, he’s the one they trust the most. I think 15-17 touches are more likely in the weeks ahead. I’ll take that on a great Chiefs offense with high touchdown upside compared to many other options, especially where he got drafted.
 
last night will likely be a normal week.
He doesn’t normally break long runs.

I’d say last night minus the 50+ run where he got tuckered out and slid (1st time I’ve ever seen a RB do that) will be closer to a normal week.
I think it was more about not wanting ti get hit and fumble than being tuckered out.

Half truth.

I said it in the game topic - he ran out of gas, & both defenders were catching up to him, so he covered the ball and slid.

Yes he was preventing a fumble. Yes he ran out of gas. Both of those things are 100% true.
How was it not obv his only concern was ball protection and to stay in bounds? That awareness doesn’t help fantasy teams. It does buy trust with your coach and teammates. Your boy Rojo might want to take notes.

A whole lot of hate in here still. CEH is doing just fine and is a steal so far. He’s a high end RB2 w RB1 upside if he stays healthy. Getting trampled on was scary. Holdddd
 
They just don't use him much. We've seen the touch numbers through two weeks. We saw the playoffs last year. He's a good player, but getting him the ball is not a priority for KC. He's just there to supplement Mahomes. Can't argue with results for KC, but also leaves you wondering how he'd perform with more volume. Feels like that's the only thing holding him back from being a real force in FF because the efficiency is solid and the versatility is there.

My prediction going into the season was that KC's passing offense would suffer big with the loss of Hill. Didn't happen in week one, but tonight they were not super efficient. Just 6.7 yards per attempt for Mahomes. Kelce kept relatively quiet. Will be something to monitor moving forward because if they can't reliably throw for high YPA then you may see more touches for Clyde, but the long-standing trend is that he's not the focus of the offense. That makes it scary to trot him out there as a regular weekly starter in FF.
A lead back getting 10-15 touches in that offense is worth something, no? I agree he needs more volume if we want to see a ceiling.
 
I have been one of CEH's biggest detractors. I'm not convinced yet he won't pumpkin at some point this season. But there's no denying that if he continues his current trend he has a shot at not just RB1 status, but top 5 RB overall status by year end. This offense is super elite and he only needs to he decent to put up major fantasy stats in it. Last two years he wasn't decent. This year, he's been that and more. Still hoping he turns into a pumpkin as a Pacheco truther, but I learned long ago that hope is not a good risk management strategy.
 
I have been one of CEH's biggest detractors. I'm not convinced yet he won't pumpkin at some point this season. But there's no denying that if he continues his current trend he has a shot at not just RB1 status, but top 5 RB overall status by year end. This offense is super elite and he only needs to he decent to put up major fantasy stats in it. Last two years he wasn't decent. This year, he's been that and more. Still hoping he turns into a pumpkin as a Pacheco truther, but I learned long ago that hope is not a good risk management strategy.
He might do decent this season. Because he's that good tho? He ought be mowing Joe Burrow's lawn and cleaning Patrick Mahomes's pool for them. He owes those two.
 
I have been one of CEH's biggest detractors. I'm not convinced yet he won't pumpkin at some point this season. But there's no denying that if he continues his current trend he has a shot at not just RB1 status, but top 5 RB overall status by year end. This offense is super elite and he only needs to he decent to put up major fantasy stats in it. Last two years he wasn't decent. This year, he's been that and more. Still hoping he turns into a pumpkin as a Pacheco truther, but I learned long ago that hope is not a good risk management strategy.
I don’t know that CEH will ever reach RB1 status due to lack of touches in that RBBC but he’s everything I had hoped for as my weekly flex and potential RB2 for a couple of bye weeks.
 
last night will likely be a normal week.
He doesn’t normally break long runs.

I’d say last night minus the 50+ run where he got tuckered out and slid (1st time I’ve ever seen a RB do that) will be closer to a normal week.
I think it was more about not wanting ti get hit and fumble than being tuckered out.

Half truth.

I said it in the game topic - he ran out of gas, & both defenders were catching up to him, so he covered the ball and slid.

Yes he was preventing a fumble. Yes he ran out of gas. Both of those things are 100% true.
How was it not obv his only concern was ball protection and to stay in bounds? That awareness doesn’t help fantasy teams. It does buy trust with your coach and teammates. Your boy Rojo might want to take notes.

A whole lot of hate in here still. CEH is doing just fine and is a steal so far. He’s a high end RB2 w RB1 upside if he stays healthy. Getting trampled on was scary. Holdddd
It’s not hate, it’s an accurate observation. That may mark the 1st time in history a RB has done a baseball slide - most get hit or run out of bounds.

How was it not glaringly obvious to you that he ran out of gas? Both defenders caught up to him because he slowed way way down. He didn’t fight for any extra yardage, he didn’t take it to the house. If he had gas left in the tank, it woulda been a sure fire TD, because at one point he was 20’ ahead of his pursuers.

Kudos for covering up with both arms. Weird that he slid. 100% obvious that he could not keep running.

Seems less like “hate” and more like you’re looking at CEH like :wub:
 
I have been one of CEH's biggest detractors. I'm not convinced yet he won't pumpkin at some point this season. But there's no denying that if he continues his current trend he has a shot at not just RB1 status, but top 5 RB overall status by year end. This offense is super elite and he only needs to he decent to put up major fantasy stats in it. Last two years he wasn't decent. This year, he's been that and more. Still hoping he turns into a pumpkin as a Pacheco truther, but I learned long ago that hope is not a good risk management strategy.
I don’t know that CEH will ever reach RB1 status due to lack of touches in that RBBC but he’s everything I had hoped for as my weekly flex and potential RB2 for a couple of bye weeks.
This is a fair take. So far he’s been a terrific value as a RB3/Flex.

The challenge is whether he can continue to put up those numbers with limited touches.

Whole lot of efficiency there that he’s never displayed for any extended period.

Again, he had 2 even better games last year. Then he didn’t.

He’s very much a sell-high candidate, IMO.
 
That may mark the 1st time in history a RB has done a baseball slide - most get hit or run out of bounds.

Actually, it's happened at least three times I can remember and it cost guys their fantasy games every time. C'mon, you have to know this. Nick Chubb just did this in Cleveland two years ago. Brian Westbrook (there's that comparison again) did it under Reid. Ahmad Bradshaw tried to slide in the Super Bowl but got all herky-jerked and wound up in the end zone.

I'm sorry, Chubb actually ran out of bounds on purpose because there was forty seconds left and they retained possession. But the slide has happened.

Anyway, it was an awkward run by CEH, but the slide because he was getting caught and wanted to stay inbounds? Happens every two years.
 
From an article:

Chubb isn’t the first back to do it. Todd Gurley did the same in an almost identical spot two years ago. In the final minute against the Packers, Gurley fell down with the Rams ahead by two and Green Bay out of timeouts. Before Gurley, it was Brian Westbrook with the Eagles. Chubb is just the latest.
 
That may mark the 1st time in history a RB has done a baseball slide - most get hit or run out of bounds.

Actually, it's happened at least three times I can remember and it cost guys their fantasy games every time. C'mon, you have to know this. Nick Chubb just did this in Cleveland two years ago. Brian Westbrook (there's that comparison again) did it under Reid. Ahmad Bradshaw tried to slide in the Super Bowl but got all herky-jerked and wound up in the end zone.

I'm sorry, Chubb actually ran out of bounds on purpose because there was forty seconds left and they retained possession. But the slide has happened.

Anyway, it was an awkward run by CEH, but the slide because he was getting caught and wanted to stay inbounds? Happens every two years.
Ok, ok - I recall when Todd Gurley had a walk-in 3rd TD & fell down to run clock and end the game instead (costing me a win in the process) but he didn’t *slide*.
 
From an article:

Chubb isn’t the first back to do it. Todd Gurley did the same in an almost identical spot two years ago. In the final minute against the Packers, Gurley fell down with the Rams ahead by two and Green Bay out of timeouts. Before Gurley, it was Brian Westbrook with the Eagles. Chubb is just the latest.
Yep - just posted that. But he absolutely did not do a slide as it appeared CEH did.

Anyway, all besides the point - he ran out of gas. That is why he went down. He wasn’t gonna score because the two pursuers caught him.

But yes, I was being slightly hyperbolic there. RBs do give themselves up from time to time. I concede that.

And CEH is slow and lacks endurance. Both of these things can be true.
 
I stand corrected about the slide.

I really wasn't trying to correct you, I was genuinely surprised that those didn't come to your mind. You've been doing this longer than me, that's for sure.

And I posted Westbrook before I read your posts. That's the way this newfangled board works. So it looked like I was correcting you, but I was just still typing on my own, having not had seen yours.
 
Anyway, all besides the point - he ran out of gas

He wasn't beating those guys, so you're right about that. That said, nobody's harder on CEH than me, but he didn't seem out of gas. I think you might be projecting that on him. He could have, though, because nothing would describe CEH's ineptitude these past two years more than that microcosm of a palay.
Now I’m sitting here mad about Todd Gurley costing me a game years ago, so thanks for that. :rant:
 
By the way, watching the Westbrook highlights, I'm just as unimpressed with him as I am CEH. He looks like another chubby, short, slow back. Must have made his living with McNabb's threat to stretch the defense with a run and Reid's innovative play calling.
 
I really wasn't trying to correct you, I was genuinely surprised that those didn't come to your mind. You've been doing this longer than me, that's for sure.
I think only Westbrook was a slide though. Gurley sort of fell down like he got shot.

Smart football play. Total jerk move to my FF team. I’m taking it personally. Still.
 
I think only Westbrook was a slide though. Gurley sort of fell down like he got shot.

You're right. He did it twice. Once he just went down like a gunshot. Then, another time, Gurley got tackled on the way to not scoring when they were up seven with the two minute warning to go and DET (the team they were playing) having all of their timeouts left. People denounced that as well-meaning, but stupid. More Gurley fun trivia? He actually scored for the Falcons when he wasn't supposed to one game, and the other team came back to win. Matt Ryan and the coach had told him not to score, he did, and they lost.

Wah wah.
 
More Gurley fun trivia? He actually scored for the Falcons when he wasn't supposed to one game, and the other team came back to win. Matt Ryan and the coach had told him not to score, he did, and they lost.
I recall them talking about this when he went down instead of scoring in that Rams game. How he’d learned from it and evolved as a player.

And all I kept thinking was “expletive! Expletive!”
 
last night will likely be a normal week.
He doesn’t normally break long runs.

I’d say last night minus the 50+ run where he got tuckered out and slid (1st time I’ve ever seen a RB do that) will be closer to a normal week.
I think it was more about not wanting ti get hit and fumble than being tuckered out.

Half truth.

I said it in the game topic - he ran out of gas, & both defenders were catching up to him, so he covered the ball and slid.

Yes he was preventing a fumble. Yes he ran out of gas. Both of those things are 100% true.
How was it not obv his only concern was ball protection and to stay in bounds? That awareness doesn’t help fantasy teams. It does buy trust with your coach and teammates. Your boy Rojo might want to take notes.

A whole lot of hate in here still. CEH is doing just fine and is a steal so far. He’s a high end RB2 w RB1 upside if he stays healthy. Getting trampled on was scary. Holdddd
It’s not hate, it’s an accurate observation. That may mark the 1st time in history a RB has done a baseball slide - most get hit or run out of bounds.

How was it not glaringly obvious to you that he ran out of gas? Both defenders caught up to him because he slowed way way down. He didn’t fight for any extra yardage, he didn’t take it to the house. If he had gas left in the tank, it woulda been a sure fire TD, because at one point he was 20’ ahead of his pursuers.

Kudos for covering up with both arms. Weird that he slid. 100% obvious that he could not keep running.

Seems less like “hate” and more like you’re looking at CEH like :wub:
You know I love me some CEH. We had a good debate in the offseason. CEH was the one player I planted flags on. I'm not taking victory laps just yet, but I will call out the haters. They've been proven wrong thus far. Production when healthy hasn't been a concern. The question mark has been health. He's going to produce if healthy.
 
last night will likely be a normal week.
He doesn’t normally break long runs.

I’d say last night minus the 50+ run where he got tuckered out and slid (1st time I’ve ever seen a RB do that) will be closer to a normal week.
I think it was more about not wanting ti get hit and fumble than being tuckered out.

Half truth.

I said it in the game topic - he ran out of gas, & both defenders were catching up to him, so he covered the ball and slid.

Yes he was preventing a fumble. Yes he ran out of gas. Both of those things are 100% true.
How was it not obv his only concern was ball protection and to stay in bounds? That awareness doesn’t help fantasy teams. It does buy trust with your coach and teammates. Your boy Rojo might want to take notes.

A whole lot of hate in here still. CEH is doing just fine and is a steal so far. He’s a high end RB2 w RB1 upside if he stays healthy. Getting trampled on was scary. Holdddd
It’s not hate, it’s an accurate observation. That may mark the 1st time in history a RB has done a baseball slide - most get hit or run out of bounds.

How was it not glaringly obvious to you that he ran out of gas? Both defenders caught up to him because he slowed way way down. He didn’t fight for any extra yardage, he didn’t take it to the house. If he had gas left in the tank, it woulda been a sure fire TD, because at one point he was 20’ ahead of his pursuers.

Kudos for covering up with both arms. Weird that he slid. 100% obvious that he could not keep running.

Seems less like “hate” and more like you’re looking at CEH like :wub:
You know I love me some CEH. We had a good debate in the offseason. CEH was the one player I planted flags on. I'm not taking victory laps just yet, but I will call out the haters. They've been proven wrong thus far. Production when healthy hasn't been a concern. The question mark has been health. He's going to produce if healthy.
That’s not entirely true, but I’ll let you bask in the glow of his 2 not terrible starts for the moment.

Brutal schedule coming up, dude bruises like a grape. I’d sell.

But enjoy the moment my friend. :hifive:
 
That’s not entirely true, but I’ll let you bask in the glow of his 2 not terrible starts for the moment.

Brutal schedule coming up, dude bruises like a grape. I’d sell.

But enjoy the moment my friend. :hifive:
We get it already. You would sell CEH. What are we expected to get back in return? Anyone receive any offers for CEH? Anyone trying to trade CEH, who are you targeting?
 
If CEH is your second or third RB or a possible flex option you keep him.

But there is no way I rely on any of the Chiefs running backs to be consistent. Andy Reid simply does not have it in his DNA to create a sustained output for the running back position. It's like he forgot about Westbrook and the different ways they used him.

Reid is drunk on Patrick Mahomes right now. And if I'm being honest, if he ever remembers he has a running back that he can use the Chiefs will win 3 more super bowls. His stubbornness in only passing is turning Mahomes into Aaron Rodgers.

One Super Bowl and done with this current philosophy. He is gonna waste Mahomes career at this rate.
 
Reid is drunk on Patrick Mahomes right now.
He is the only one the chiefs trust with the game on the line.
Sure. But some games would not be on the line if Reid didn’t call a sheeit game up until that point. He has had a year now to solve the deep shell defense and still hasn’t. How do you do it?

Run the ball. Your effing line is built to be a road grading line and he won’t do it. And its maddening. I know he knows by doing so will open up all the cool sheeit he wants to run but he will not do it.

So frustrating.
 
Reid is drunk on Patrick Mahomes right now.
He is the only one the chiefs trust with the game on the line.
Sure. But some games would not be on the line if Reid didn’t call a sheeit game up until that point. He has had a year now to solve the deep shell defense and still hasn’t. How do you do it?

Run the ball. Your effing line is built to be a road grading line and he won’t do it. And its maddening. I know he knows by doing so will open up all the cool sheeit he wants to run but he will not do it.

So frustrating.
100% agree.

When they signed Jones, that seemed like a lightbulb moment.

All everyone talked about for a week was “how good will the chiefs be if they have a between the tackles rusher now?!” Then as the summer wore on, that narrative disintegrated.

And not just Jones. Gore seemed like a decent back for that. And Williams before him. They keep discarding players that have the 1 skill they continue to lack. It’s weird.

Technically they still have Jones, and maybe Pacheco fits that bill…sure would be nice to see them commit to the run.
 
Reid is drunk on Patrick Mahomes right now.
He is the only one the chiefs trust with the game on the line.
Sure. But some games would not be on the line if Reid didn’t call a sheeit game up until that point. He has had a year now to solve the deep shell defense and still hasn’t. How do you do it?

Run the ball. Your effing line is built to be a road grading line and he won’t do it. And its maddening. I know he knows by doing so will open up all the cool sheeit he wants to run but he will not do it.

So frustrating.


When they signed Jones, that seemed like a lightbulb moment.
No, it wasn't. Just for a few that are hell bent that CEH sucks because they traded him away last year in dynasty.
 
Reid is drunk on Patrick Mahomes right now.
He is the only one the chiefs trust with the game on the line.
Sure. But some games would not be on the line if Reid didn’t call a sheeit game up until that point. He has had a year now to solve the deep shell defense and still hasn’t. How do you do it?

Run the ball. Your effing line is built to be a road grading line and he won’t do it. And its maddening. I know he knows by doing so will open up all the cool sheeit he wants to run but he will not do it.

So frustrating.
It’s what drove Eagles fans crazy about him. He’s a very good HC but as a play caller there are times when it’s like he can’t see the forest for the trees.
 
Reid is drunk on Patrick Mahomes right now.
He is the only one the chiefs trust with the game on the line.
Sure. But some games would not be on the line if Reid didn’t call a sheeit game up until that point. He has had a year now to solve the deep shell defense and still hasn’t. How do you do it?

Run the ball. Your effing line is built to be a road grading line and he won’t do it. And its maddening. I know he knows by doing so will open up all the cool sheeit he wants to run but he will not do it.

So frustrating.


When they signed Jones, that seemed like a lightbulb moment.
No, it wasn't. Just for a few that are hell bent that CEH sucks because they traded him away last year in dynasty.
When the Chiefs signed him they talked him up as a between the tackles guy, so I guess Reid rosters him in FF too.
:rolleyes:
 

Clyde Edwards-Helaire rushed seven times for zero yards and one touchdown in the Chiefs' Week 3 win over the Colts.


That's tough to do, though Edwards-Helaire was able to save his day with a one-yard touchdown plunge and a 5/39 receiving line on five targets. CEH is a screaming sell-high candidate coming off three strong box scores to open the season, but anyone watching can tell he has very little playmaking ability. The Chiefs got rookie Isiah Pacheco three carries to CEH's two in the second half, for what it's worth. With Jerick McKinnon also the favorite on passing downs and in two-minute situations, Edwards-Helaire can't keep up this scoring pace. The window to sell remains open ahead of a brutal Week 4 date with the Bucs on the road.

- NBCSportsEDGE
 

ESPN's Adam Teicher believes the Chiefs backfield "is going to be more of a committee thing" going forward.​

The Chiefs, per Teicher, "still don't seem comfortable using Clyde Edwards-Helaire in most third-down situations," instead using pass-catching specialist Jerick McKinnon, especially in the team's two-minute offense. McKinnon in Week 3 against the Colts ran more routes and equaled CEH with seven rushing attempts. After three games, it's McKinnon who leads the Kansas City backfield with a 28 percent snap share while Edwards-Helaire sits at 27 percent. CEH has skated by with four touchdowns through three weeks -- a pace that won't continue. There won't be much fantasy juice to squeeze out of the KC backfield unless CEH or McKinnon miss time. NBC Sports' Edge's Denny Carter recently recommended McKinnon as a waiver add in 12-team leagues.
RELATED:
SOURCE: ESPN.com
Sep 28, 2022, 8:56 AM ET
 

ESPN's Adam Teicher believes the Chiefs backfield "is going to be more of a committee thing" going forward.​

The Chiefs, per Teicher, "still don't seem comfortable using Clyde Edwards-Helaire in most third-down situations," instead using pass-catching specialist Jerick McKinnon, especially in the team's two-minute offense. McKinnon in Week 3 against the Colts ran more routes and equaled CEH with seven rushing attempts. After three games, it's McKinnon who leads the Kansas City backfield with a 28 percent snap share while Edwards-Helaire sits at 27 percent. CEH has skated by with four touchdowns through three weeks -- a pace that won't continue. There won't be much fantasy juice to squeeze out of the KC backfield unless CEH or McKinnon miss time. NBC Sports' Edge's Denny Carter recently recommended McKinnon as a waiver add in 12-team leagues.
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SOURCE: ESPN.com
Sep 28, 2022, 8:56 AM ET
It wasn't already a committee?
 

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