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He looks much faster than McCaffrey in pads
Because he's black, he looks faster to you anyways.He looks much faster than McCaffrey in pads
Haha. I went back and watched them again after the times today and Cook just looks a lot faster to me.Because he's black, he looks faster to you anyways.
FSU RB Dalvin Cook says he can have an Ezekiel Elliott-like impact as a rookie.
"I feel like if I get put in the right system, I can do the same things that Zeke did," Cook said. Elliott, of course, found the perfect situation and went off for 1,631 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns as a rookie. "Zeke paved the way for us. Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon, all those guys paved a way for us. Zeke did a great job of catching the ball out of the backfield, protecting Dak (Prescott) at quarterback, running very well behind a good offensive line, he paved the way for us," Cook said. "It was a good thing for us coming in right now." NFL Media's Lance Zierlein compares Cook to Edgerrin James, while Rotoworld draft guru Josh Norris compares him to DeAngelo Williams.
Source: NFL.com
Mar 3 - 1:11 PM
The lack of explosion/burst isn't too surprising. The crazy part to me was his poor performance in agility drills. I can't imagine we've seen a successful RB that has <10th percentile burst and agility. If I am an NFL team, I think I downgrade him to day 2 or 3. Injury history, off field history and an athletic profile of a guy that would be lucky to make a practice squad. That's too many red flags for me.This sure doesn't sound good when it's all summed up:
Florida State RB Dalvin Cook tested as ninth-percentile SPARQ athlete at the NFL Combine.
Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara had the highest SPARQ score of any back in Indy, hitting the 79th percentile. Cook was at the opposite end of the spectrum, struggling in the three-cone drill (7.27), 20-yard shuttle (4.53), vertical (30.5"), and broad jump (9'8"). He did run a solid forty (4.49). Still, it was a concerning weekend for a back considered a potential first-round pick. According to 3 Sigma Athlete's Zach Whitman, no running back who tested as a sub-10th-percentile SPARQ athlete has been drafted in the first round in the last 17 years.
I'm not saying he will be a day 2 or 3 pick. It's just where I would slot him as a GM. He's just a RB.petekrum said:Man I just laugh when I hear people saying he should be significantly downgraded based on this underwear Olympic BS. Watch the guy PLAY and then try to say he should be a day two or three pick. I guarantee you there are NFL teams that actually know what they're doing who pray he falls in the draft because of this.
Would that even be better than him just being a poor athlete, or worse?Dalvin Cooks 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle times were poor and that does not match what you see when watching him play, where he shows very good quickness and change of direction ability.
It makes me question his effort and preperation, because the player I have seen looks capable of putting up better times than he did.
If I were Cook or his agent I would be planning to do those drills again at his pro day and hopefully put up some better numbers.
For me it is too soon to draw conclusions from this data. I need to let that sink in a bit. No question the numbers Cook put up were disappointing.
Would that even be better than him just being a poor athlete, or worse?
We've seen some players that were quite a bit better and more athletic than Cook fail in the NFL due to lack of effort and preparation.
I'm not sure.Would that even be better than him just being a poor athlete, or worse?
We've seen some players that were quite a bit better and more athletic than Cook fail in the NFL due to lack of effort and preparation.
Lock to go in the first round.How much will this drop him in the draft, if at all?
Who are some of the guys that have been successful in the NFL despite a SPARQ score that low? I think it was mentioned that no one has had one that low and been drafted in the 1st round in quite a while.
Why?All of a sudden this amazing draft looks pretty average to me.
So let me get this straight. A guy you didn't like ended up being successful.Freeman is one of the worst RB prospects I've ever witnessed have success in the NFL. So it's really terrible company if that's true.
He got lots of touches on the best offense in the league. He still looked mediocre doing it. I'm not going to turn this into a Freeman thread. I'll never draft prespects like that and I'll be quiet successful doing it. I'll just leave it at that.So let me get this straight. A guy you didn't like ended up being successful.
So which is the terrible part?
I don't believe he'll drop in the draft because of his performance. It wasn't horrible it just wasn't what people were expecting.How much will this drop him in the draft, if at all?
Who are some of the guys that have been successful in the NFL despite a SPARQ score that low? I think it was mentioned that no one has had one that low and been drafted in the 1st round in quite a while.
Just looking at the numbers. Weak verticals, 4.49 vs 4.58 40 for Cook, broad jump similar, both can catch the ball really well, Freeman beat him on both the 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drills.Freeman is one of the worst RB prospects I've ever witnessed have success in the NFL. So it's really terrible company if that's true.
yeah we know....but ya know what he produces....despite you bellyaching about him all the timeFreeman is one of the worst RB prospects I've ever witnessed have success in the NFL. So it's really terrible company if that's true.
Come on, you've never been quiet.He got lots of touches on the best offense in the league. He still looked mediocre doing it. I'm not going to turn this into a Freeman thread. I'll never draft prespects like that and I'll be quiet successful doing it. I'll just leave it at that.
If you guys like this kid have at it. I never have.
Well, we know that he produced in college. There's a huge difference between college and the NFL and guys with limited athleticism often struggle when the holes are suddenly smaller and close faster and when defenders all are able to chase you down.yeah we know....but ya know what he produces....despite you bellyaching about him all the time
Because you're making the same mistake many make and allowing the combine to shape your views.All of a sudden this amazing draft looks pretty average to me.
X2Because you're making the same mistake many make and allowing the combine to shape your views.
This is what most on this forum think but the combine is huge in discovering who has the physical traits needed to be a difference maker for me. Then you go check the tape and see if you see special on tape on the players that are elite athletes.Because you're making the same mistake many make and allowing the combine to shape your views.
Yup I think I might have a shot at getting him at 1.3 nowCook is awesome. I hope he drops to me at 1.2 because of the combine.
Not true. McCoy was really bad in the drills that measure explosiveness. McCoy was exceptional in the drills that measured quickness. McCoy tested as a guy with average speed, low burst but lightning quickness.Lesean McCoy was terrible in these drills. Ran slow crappy vertices ect. I remember many saying he had no explosion.
Worked out ok for him.
his strength was the worst pretty much everNot true. McCoy was really bad in the drills that measure explosiveness. McCoy was exceptional in the drills that measured quickness. McCoy tested as a guy with average speed, low burst but lightning quickness.
I never agree with krum but I do here.This is what most on this forum think but the combine is huge in discovering who has the physical traits needed to be a difference maker for me. Then you go check the tape and see if you see special on tape on the players that are elite athletes.
McCoy had a god awful vert and broad jump at his pro day, but he also demonstrated the high end quickness that people saw on film. Nobody that saw McCoy in college was banking on him winning in the NFL by running through tacklers. They saw a guy that could make defenders miss with quickness. That came through loud and clear in his workout numbers.his strength was the worst pretty much ever
I took Bell in front of Gio. Everybody clowned me for it. Bells tape was great and his 3 cone at that size was ridiculous. I like the way I do it and it's been working for me so I'll just keep doing it. I have a list of guys I will be studying tape of after their combine performance this weekend. Dalvin Cook didn't make the list.I never agree with krum but I do here.
The combine is one tool. To quote Kenny Powers "I'm not trying to be the best at working out, I play real sports"
Sometimes great athletes are not great football players. and average athletes are excellent football players.
IIRC correctly the only thing that really stood out about Leveon Bell was his 3 cone drill. He has lost some weight since his college days.
This is an in-exact science.
it will bet interesting to see where Cook falls now due to his "poor" combine
Bell was similar to McCoy. His burst was weak but demonstrated exceptional quickness. Overall came in at 67th percentile SPARQ. Nothing at all like what Cook did.I never agree with krum but I do here.
The combine is one tool. To quote Kenny Powers "I'm not trying to be the best at working out, I play real sports"
Sometimes great athletes are not great football players. and average athletes are excellent football players.
IIRC correctly the only thing that really stood out about Leveon Bell was his 3 cone drill. He has lost some weight since his college days.
This is an in-exact science.
it will bet interesting to see where Cook falls now due to his "poor" combine