RB Dalvin Cook, DAL (5 Viewers)

[kface]

Define better

Do you really not know what “better” means?

Well I'm not going to into it with someone that clearly doesn't want to debate his own opinion

But at this point, Cook is the better all-around rb. Hall has all the potential and is the better pure runner there is no doubt. But Cook has the smarts of being an elite rb in the nfl (and he may have or may not have slowed down)

I own Hall and that's just my opinion. But I can see a lot of upside and use here for Cook.

Again you don't have to respond because all you have is your opinion and it's no more valid than mine or anyone else's and that's ok

Do you think Rodgers will prefer throwing to Allen Lazard or Garret Wilson?

was lazard an elite talent for a number of years and still quite possibly an elite talent

This comparison would make sense if instead of Lazard they signed Dhop. And yes if they signed Dhop i think it would have taken a significant dent out of wilson's production

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Define better

Do you really not know what “better” means?

Well I'm not going to into it with someone that clearly doesn't want to debate his own opinion

But at this point, Cook is the better all-around rb. Hall has all the potential and is the better pure runner there is no doubt. But Cook has the smarts of being an elite rb in the nfl (and he may have or may not have slowed down)

I own Hall and that's just my opinion. But I can see a lot of upside and use here for Cook.

Again you don't have to respond because all you have is your opinion and it's no more valid than mine or anyone else's and that's ok

Do you think Rodgers will prefer throwing to Allen Lazard or Garret Wilson?

was lazard an elite talent for a number of years and still quite possibly an elite talent

This comparison would make sense if instead of Lazard they signed Dhop. And yes if they signed Dhop i think it would have taken a significant dent out of wilson's production

We can agree to disagree starting with the premise that Cook is STILL an elite talent (“was” hardly matters) He wasn’t last season. He’s still very good but if we’re discussing elite talent, I’m not sure why we’d be dismissive of Hall.

 

[kface]

And that's ok because I think Rodgers is going to prefer the vet that isn't going to miss an assignment or a route or a hot read or whatever

You’re making an assumption about Hall that may not be meritorious. Did he miss a lot of assignments as a rookie?

I'll stop arguing with you after this one because i don't want to get into a ridiculous back and forth and pollute this thread. I get it...you think it's Hall and he'll come back better than ever.

That being said, he's bordelrine a rookie that was average at pass blocking coming out of college. He doesn't have NFL smarts as of yet the way a Cook does.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He doesn't have NFL smarts as of yet the way a Cook does

Sure, of course not - but you’re overstating the difference between the two and ignoring the current talent gap.

And of course I also have no idea how it’s going to ultimately play out - my initial response was simply to your claim that Rodgers is going to insist Cook plays over Hall because he’s a veteran. I don’t think it works like that.

I think Cook will play more if Hall is still recovering but all evidence points towards Hall being the lead in the committee at full health.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

you think it's Hall and he'll come back better than ever.

And of course I never said this.

 

[menobrown]

All that said, this offense should be dramatically improved, which in theory should mean more offensive plays run than under say, Mike White or Zach Wilson. Longer drives sustained means more plays means more touches to share.

Wait

Hold that thought. ARod hurt his calf.

Aaron Rodgers suffered an apparent calf injury during Tuesday’s practice.
Rodgers was seen clutching his left calf after throwing an interception in practice. He continued to play, struggling to complete passes for the remainder of the practice session. Rodgers missed time in OTAs due to a right calf issue. His health will be paramount to the Jets, who will surely exercise extreme caution with their 39-year-old QB.

Ruh roh

That's concerning.

I was just coming in here to post something I've been mulling but Rodgers needs to be healthy for it to be a chance.

I checked a few draft boards last night, all FFPC and these were $350-2,000 dollar leagues. Breece seems to be holding as a mid to late 4th and Dalvin hovering in that 6th round range.Roughly putting Breece around a high end RB2 and Dalvin as a mid to high end RB3 relative to where other RB's are going.

What I was thinking was what are the odds they both exceed that value? I think it's actually kind of good.

Kamara/Ingram is the gold standard for RB duos but they are not alone. Ekeler and Gordon were really good, in 2019 they played together for 12 games and they combined for 32.5 fantasy points a game, basically both RB1's. The Browns have gotten low end RB1 numbers out of Chubb combined with low end RB2 numbers out of Hunt. The Lions produced two mid low end RB2's last year.

It's actually very easy for me to see this duo having at least fantasy success along the lines of the Browns and the Lions, assuming good health with obvious caveat if one is not healthy the other one likely booms. I just find myself mulling if they break through to that next level, that Ekeler/Gordon level.

Key to this is really 3 things IMO:

1. Get a lot of targets. Due to pass catching options other then Wilson being less then exciting and an older RB who does not want to run this is possible. I'd note that Wilson smashed his RB targets last year like never before under Hackett.


2. Score a lot of TD's


3. Not get a third RB involved.

I think we have a few very viable teams this year that can at least replicate a Chubb/Hunt situation, as in a low end RB1 with a low end RB2. I'll be in fact very surprised if we don't see this at least once. The Lions and Jets IMO have valid shots to do something more similar to the Ekeler/Gordon model.

 

[JohnnyU]

And that's ok because I think Rodgers is going to prefer the vet that isn't going to miss an assignment or a route or a hot read or whatever

You’re making an assumption about Hall that may not be meritorious. Did he miss a lot of assignments as a rookie?

I'll stop arguing with you after this one because i don't want to get into a ridiculous back and forth and pollute this thread. I get it...you think it's Hall and he'll come back better than ever.

That being said, he's bordelrine a rookie that was average at pass blocking coming out of college. He doesn't have NFL smarts as of yet the way a Cook does.

Let me guess, you have Cook in every league.

 

[kface]

And that's ok because I think Rodgers is going to prefer the vet that isn't going to miss an assignment or a route or a hot read or whatever

You’re making an assumption about Hall that may not be meritorious. Did he miss a lot of assignments as a rookie?

I'll stop arguing with you after this one because i don't want to get into a ridiculous back and forth and pollute this thread. I get it...you think it's Hall and he'll come back better than ever.

That being said, he's bordelrine a rookie that was average at pass blocking coming out of college. He doesn't have NFL smarts as of yet the way a Cook does.

Let me guess, you have Cook in every league.

I actually don't own Cook in any of my 5 leagues and own Hall in two of them...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All that said, this offense should be dramatically improved, which in theory should mean more offensive plays run than under say, Mike White or Zach Wilson. Longer drives sustained means more plays means more touches to share.

Wait

Hold that thought. ARod hurt his calf.

Aaron Rodgers suffered an apparent calf injury during Tuesday’s practice.
Rodgers was seen clutching his left calf after throwing an interception in practice. He continued to play, struggling to complete passes for the remainder of the practice session. Rodgers missed time in OTAs due to a right calf issue. His health will be paramount to the Jets, who will surely exercise extreme caution with their 39-year-old QB.

Ruh roh

That's concerning.

I was just coming in here to post something I've been mulling but Rodgers needs to be healthy for it to be a chance.

I checked a few draft boards last night, all FFPC and these were $350-2,000 dollar leagues. Breece seems to be holding as a mid to late 4th and Dalvin hovering in that 6th round range.Roughly putting Breece around a high end RB2 and Dalvin as a mid to high end RB3 relative to where other RB's are going.

What I was thinking was what are the odds they both exceed that value? I think it's actually kind of good.

Kamara/Ingram is the gold standard for RB duos but they are not alone. Ekeler and Gordon were really good, in 2019 they played together for 12 games and they combined for 32.5 fantasy points a game, basically both RB1's. The Browns have gotten low end RB1 numbers out of Chubb combined with low end RB2 numbers out of Hunt. The Lions produced two mid low end RB2's last year.

It's actually very easy for me to see this duo having at least fantasy success along the lines of the Browns and the Lions, assuming good health with obvious caveat if one is not healthy the other one likely booms. I just find myself mulling if they break through to that next level, that Ekeler/Gordon level.

Key to this is really 3 things IMO:

1. Get a lot of targets. Due to pass catching options other then Wilson being less then exciting and an older RB who does not want to run this is possible. I'd note that Wilson smashed his RB targets last year like never before under Hackett.


2. Score a lot of TD's


3. Not get a third RB involved.

I think we have a few very viable teams this year that can at least replicate a Chubb/Hunt situation, as in a low end RB1 with a low end RB2. I'll be in fact very surprised if we don't see this at least once. The Lions and Jets IMO have valid shots to do something more similar to the Ekeler/Gordon model.

Agree with all of this. IMO they’re both at least RB2 worthy when healthy, assuming ARod doesn’t miss time.

 

[kface]

All that said, this offense should be dramatically improved, which in theory should mean more offensive plays run than under say, Mike White or Zach Wilson. Longer drives sustained means more plays means more touches to share.

Wait

Hold that thought. ARod hurt his calf.

Aaron Rodgers suffered an apparent calf injury during Tuesday’s practice.
Rodgers was seen clutching his left calf after throwing an interception in practice. He continued to play, struggling to complete passes for the remainder of the practice session. Rodgers missed time in OTAs due to a right calf issue. His health will be paramount to the Jets, who will surely exercise extreme caution with their 39-year-old QB.

Ruh roh

That's concerning.

I was just coming in here to post something I've been mulling but Rodgers needs to be healthy for it to be a chance.

I checked a few draft boards last night, all FFPC and these were $350-2,000 dollar leagues. Breece seems to be holding as a mid to late 4th and Dalvin hovering in that 6th round range.Roughly putting Breece around a high end RB2 and Dalvin as a mid to high end RB3 relative to where other RB's are going.

What I was thinking was what are the odds they both exceed that value? I think it's actually kind of good.

Kamara/Ingram is the gold standard for RB duos but they are not alone. Ekeler and Gordon were really good, in 2019 they played together for 12 games and they combined for 32.5 fantasy points a game, basically both RB1's. The Browns have gotten low end RB1 numbers out of Chubb combined with low end RB2 numbers out of Hunt. The Lions produced two mid low end RB2's last year.

It's actually very easy for me to see this duo having at least fantasy success along the lines of the Browns and the Lions, assuming good health with obvious caveat if one is not healthy the other one likely booms. I just find myself mulling if they break through to that next level, that Ekeler/Gordon level.

Key to this is really 3 things IMO:

1. Get a lot of targets. Due to pass catching options other then Wilson being less then exciting and an older RB who does not want to run this is possible. I'd note that Wilson smashed his RB targets last year like never before under Hackett.


2. Score a lot of TD's


3. Not get a third RB involved.

I think we have a few very viable teams this year that can at least replicate a Chubb/Hunt situation, as in a low end RB1 with a low end RB2. I'll be in fact very surprised if we don't see this at least once. The Lions and Jets IMO have valid shots to do something more similar to the Ekeler/Gordon model.

Agree with all of this. IMO they’re both at least RB2 worthy when healthy, assuming ARod doesn’t miss time.

The other thing about ARod is everyone is assuming that he is ARod from 3 years ago. There is a possibility he is ARod from last year as well

While their TD chances should increase over Wilson 100%, it is possible that they don't increase substantially

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All that said, this offense should be dramatically improved, which in theory should mean more offensive plays run than under say, Mike White or Zach Wilson. Longer drives sustained means more plays means more touches to share.

Wait

Hold that thought. ARod hurt his calf.

Aaron Rodgers suffered an apparent calf injury during Tuesday’s practice.
Rodgers was seen clutching his left calf after throwing an interception in practice. He continued to play, struggling to complete passes for the remainder of the practice session. Rodgers missed time in OTAs due to a right calf issue. His health will be paramount to the Jets, who will surely exercise extreme caution with their 39-year-old QB.

Ruh roh

That's concerning.

I was just coming in here to post something I've been mulling but Rodgers needs to be healthy for it to be a chance.

I checked a few draft boards last night, all FFPC and these were $350-2,000 dollar leagues. Breece seems to be holding as a mid to late 4th and Dalvin hovering in that 6th round range.Roughly putting Breece around a high end RB2 and Dalvin as a mid to high end RB3 relative to where other RB's are going.

What I was thinking was what are the odds they both exceed that value? I think it's actually kind of good.

Kamara/Ingram is the gold standard for RB duos but they are not alone. Ekeler and Gordon were really good, in 2019 they played together for 12 games and they combined for 32.5 fantasy points a game, basically both RB1's. The Browns have gotten low end RB1 numbers out of Chubb combined with low end RB2 numbers out of Hunt. The Lions produced two mid low end RB2's last year.

It's actually very easy for me to see this duo having at least fantasy success along the lines of the Browns and the Lions, assuming good health with obvious caveat if one is not healthy the other one likely booms. I just find myself mulling if they break through to that next level, that Ekeler/Gordon level.

Key to this is really 3 things IMO:

1. Get a lot of targets. Due to pass catching options other then Wilson being less then exciting and an older RB who does not want to run this is possible. I'd note that Wilson smashed his RB targets last year like never before under Hackett.


2. Score a lot of TD's


3. Not get a third RB involved.

I think we have a few very viable teams this year that can at least replicate a Chubb/Hunt situation, as in a low end RB1 with a low end RB2. I'll be in fact very surprised if we don't see this at least once. The Lions and Jets IMO have valid shots to do something more similar to the Ekeler/Gordon model.

Agree with all of this. IMO they’re both at least RB2 worthy when healthy, assuming ARod doesn’t miss time.

The other thing about ARod is everyone is assuming that he is ARod from 3 years ago. There is a possibility he is ARod from last year as well

While their TD chances should increase over Wilson 100%, it is possible that they don't increase substantially

for the RB it’s more about sustained drives, IMO.

Sure, TDs are nice, but my point above was about increasing the number of plays. Decreasing 3-and-outs.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to project ARod even of last year’s level being able to sustain drives better than Zach Wilson or Mike White.

 

[kface]

All that said, this offense should be dramatically improved, which in theory should mean more offensive plays run than under say, Mike White or Zach Wilson. Longer drives sustained means more plays means more touches to share.

Wait

Hold that thought. ARod hurt his calf.

Aaron Rodgers suffered an apparent calf injury during Tuesday’s practice.
Rodgers was seen clutching his left calf after throwing an interception in practice. He continued to play, struggling to complete passes for the remainder of the practice session. Rodgers missed time in OTAs due to a right calf issue. His health will be paramount to the Jets, who will surely exercise extreme caution with their 39-year-old QB.

Ruh roh

That's concerning.

I was just coming in here to post something I've been mulling but Rodgers needs to be healthy for it to be a chance.

I checked a few draft boards last night, all FFPC and these were $350-2,000 dollar leagues. Breece seems to be holding as a mid to late 4th and Dalvin hovering in that 6th round range.Roughly putting Breece around a high end RB2 and Dalvin as a mid to high end RB3 relative to where other RB's are going.

What I was thinking was what are the odds they both exceed that value? I think it's actually kind of good.

Kamara/Ingram is the gold standard for RB duos but they are not alone. Ekeler and Gordon were really good, in 2019 they played together for 12 games and they combined for 32.5 fantasy points a game, basically both RB1's. The Browns have gotten low end RB1 numbers out of Chubb combined with low end RB2 numbers out of Hunt. The Lions produced two mid low end RB2's last year.

It's actually very easy for me to see this duo having at least fantasy success along the lines of the Browns and the Lions, assuming good health with obvious caveat if one is not healthy the other one likely booms. I just find myself mulling if they break through to that next level, that Ekeler/Gordon level.

Key to this is really 3 things IMO:

1. Get a lot of targets. Due to pass catching options other then Wilson being less then exciting and an older RB who does not want to run this is possible. I'd note that Wilson smashed his RB targets last year like never before under Hackett.


2. Score a lot of TD's


3. Not get a third RB involved.

I think we have a few very viable teams this year that can at least replicate a Chubb/Hunt situation, as in a low end RB1 with a low end RB2. I'll be in fact very surprised if we don't see this at least once. The Lions and Jets IMO have valid shots to do something more similar to the Ekeler/Gordon model.

Agree with all of this. IMO they’re both at least RB2 worthy when healthy, assuming ARod doesn’t miss time.

The other thing about ARod is everyone is assuming that he is ARod from 3 years ago. There is a possibility he is ARod from last year as well

While their TD chances should increase over Wilson 100%, it is possible that they don't increase substantially

for the RB it’s more about sustained drives, IMO.

Sure, TDs are nice, but my point above was about increasing the number of plays. Decreasing 3-and-outs.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to project ARod even of last year’s level being able to sustain drives better than Zach Wilson or Mike White.

I agree...like I said there will be an improvement but it just might not be substantial

Jets are the most intriguing story line of the preseason for sure

 

[Payne]

Well I'm not going to into it with someone that clearly doesn't want to debate his own opinion

But at this point, Cook is the better all-around rb.

Well it’s clear that I think Hall is the better all around back. I’m not sure what’s the difficulty here. I’m not saying Cook isn’t going to get snaps - he clearly will - I’m just not sold on your theory that Rodgers will automatically prefer a veteran. I think he’ll prefer whichever back gets him closer to a ring. Also while he likely had something to do with bringing Cook in the coaching staff is going to have some say.

And that's ok because I think Rodgers is going to prefer the vet that isn't going to miss an assignment or a route or a hot read or whatever and he would much rather take the slight ding in rb productivity for the confidence that his rb is there doing the right thing

Fact is neither of us knows and it will be a good storyline. Hall coming off surgery might be a shell of his former self as well...

You are fighting an uphill battle.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yea because Arod hasn't gotten every single thing he's wanted so far

They signed two of his "guys", one who is a very solid WR at a fairly reasonable contract, and the other for peanuts who will be lucky to be WR6 on the team. He also gave back $35MM to help add some talent, which they did when they signed Cook (which is why those pointing to the $8MM salary as an impetus to declare him the feature back are a bit misguided).

Of course the Jets are making some concessions and want Rodgers to be happy, but this notion that he controls everything is a bit misleading.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I agree...like I said there will be an improvement but it just might not be substantial

Unless you watched the Jets last season (and why would you), I can't over-state enough that even a "washed" Rodgers (who played with a broken thumb in 2022) is a significant upgrade from what they had last season. Zach Wilson had one of the worst QB seasons in NFL history, Mike White is an inconsistent journeyman and Joe Flacco looked like he did not want to be on the field at all when he was.

 

[Biabreakable]

In regards to the speculation regarding playing time between Cook and Hall, and Rodgers influence on that, I do think Rodgers will have some influence here and at this point it does seem that Rodgers wanted to play with Cook.

At the same time Rodgers is more familiar with Cook than he is with Hall. He has seen Cook and played against him for many years. I dont think he has been able to practice with Hall yet. So he is going with what he knows.

Now if when they all start practicing together and Hall shows himself to be the better RB than Cook is now. That opinion could certainly change, and of course everyone is going to want to play the players who give the team the best chance to win.

Similarly Jets fans are more familiar with Hall than they may be Cook and that flavors their opinions as well.

It may be that Hall is much better than Cook is right now. I think that remains to be seen. But if Cook plays well for the Jets their opinion about this may change just as Rodgers opinion about this may change if Hall is fully recovered and clearly outplays Cook.

I dont think any of us know the answers to this right now, including Rodgers and the coaching staff. I think they like Cook enough to give him that contract and having the option to make those decisions later on after they see everyone play together.

I also wanted to say that I have heard many people say they would prefer a player recovering from injury to get the opportunity to really do that instead of being forced to play at a less than 100% level of recovery out of neccessity because they are the best option. With this signing the Jets have the option of doing that and protecting Halls long term ability rather than being forced to play him too early because they need to win football games.

In that respect I see this as a win/win for everyone involved.

 

[packdog]

cook is a rodgers appeasement play but it's also a good football move. both cook and hall will be used. in GB rodgers had a committee for the last number of years in jones and jwill/dillon. assume wilson is the adams role and the offense is is painted pretty clearly. we know what arod wants to do. the question is who is who among the rbs and if the team will ease hall. as the games play out and the season moves along the committee will be what it always was back in gb. i don't think either rb will be pigeon-holed into a 3rd or goal line role though. use em both and run the same stuff. i imagine cook may be better early but as the season rolls along and winter comes hall could be a league winner. always the chance cook pops his shoulder once or twice as well. but both rbs should be good. the offense could be great. i'll buy both at the right price

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yes, I think almost everyone agrees it’s now some kind of RBBC and we should all adjust accordingly- to what extent will be a bit subjective at this point so the baseline is probably close to 50% split. By seasons end I’d expect more 60/40 in Hall’s favor.
The safest bet is to consider both mid-to late RB2s with some upside but ultimately capped ceilings when both are healthy.

My guess is most fall somewhere close to that - but obviously once again opinions may vary here.

 

[Drake Hater]

I've never compared his receiving stats across RBs, but if he becomes a good check down option this could eat into Wilson's volume no?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I've never compared his receiving stats across RBs, but if he becomes a good check down option this could eat into Wilson's volume no?

Every team has multiple options in the passing game. I do not see any world where Wilson is not the most targeted Jets pass catcher by a decent margin. I don’t see RB targets in the same vector as Wilson’s targets, outside of a check down - but in those cases Wilson isn’t getting it anyway because at that point it’s a sack or throw away or check down.

 

[menobrown]

His contract is pretty interesting. Some are trying to label this as a $7M base but really got $1.08M and then he's paid weekly, can earn about $348K a week. Also had $1.6m incentives I don't know anything about.

Base: $1.08
$70,558 each week he's active
$277,765 each week he's on the roster(which includes IR/PUP)

I don't think they have any intentions of cutting him but can't recall a contract so heavily based on week to week being on the roster. Some speculate it's to protect the Jets if he's suspended.

 

[Da Franchise]

His contract is pretty interesting. Some are trying to label this as a $7M base but really got $1.08M and then he's paid weekly, can earn about $348K a week. Also had $1.6m incentives I don't know anything about.

Base: $1.08
$70,558 each week he's active
$277,765 each week he's on the roster(which includes IR/PUP)

I don't think they have any intentions of cutting him but can't recall a contract so heavily based on week to week being on the roster. Some speculate it's to protect the Jets if he's suspended.

That or “Hey, you know Breece looks pretty good coming from that knee”.

Pretty surprised he signed that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Last 4 years in a row
1,135 on 250
1, 557 on 312
1,159 on 250
1,173 on 264 carries...this remind you of someone falling off the cliff? 46 TDs over those 4 years. He had his "career" year in 2020 but he's still a solid RB

63-44-33-39 rec with Kirk Cousins manning the controls and I feel Rodgers is an upgrade.

I don't even want to try to argue with folks who are blind to what Cook has compiled over the last 4 years,

I SMELL DYNASTY hopes in the REDRAFT KITCHEN
This is a FF board and it's almost all dynasty all off season
It's redraft time, don't want to hear about how much better Hall is right now, he might very well be but there's no way the Jets are going to overload him early on.
After Week 8, things might change a bit for the 2nd Half of the season
I see we have some contract experts trying to break it down

Adam Schefter who I dearly hate most of the time but is a GOD to many in here vs MOP Crazyman so take his exact words not mine
"$588,000 per week"

Some people make it sound like they signed Benny Snell or something, give me a break
I'm like Rodgers, I know what i'm getting with Cook, we'll see where Hall is at 3-4 weeks into the season

 

[menobrown]

His contract is pretty interesting. Some are trying to label this as a $7M base but really got $1.08M and then he's paid weekly, can earn about $348K a week. Also had $1.6m incentives I don't know anything about.

Base: $1.08
$70,558 each week he's active
$277,765 each week he's on the roster(which includes IR/PUP)

I don't think they have any intentions of cutting him but can't recall a contract so heavily based on week to week being on the roster. Some speculate it's to protect the Jets if he's suspended.

That or “Hey, you know Breece looks pretty good coming from that knee”.

Pretty surprised he signed that.

It's a lot harder being a FA in July/August then March but most players want a little more security so a little surprised myself. His only security is he's protected against injury.

I really think this contract structure is a slightly bigger deal then people are giving it credit due to the situation with Breece. Would they have signed Dalvin if Breece was 100% healthy? If the answer to that is no and they like how Breece and the backups look later they can exit out of this deal literally any week they choose. Can't think of an easier contract to cut or trade.

People already trying to spark up trade rumors for the Jets centered around Adams or Bakhtiari(much more believable IMO) and it's not hard to see them needing to clear out some more cap space if Breece and Co. make them feel comfortable they got it handled.

Not saying they signed Dalvin and plotted out his exit before the end of the season, just saying they did this contract to give them the flexibility to do that, which seems pretty evident.

From a fantasy angle for Dalvin if people like players who are highly motivated this is about as good of a contract as you could hope that player is playing under. He literally has to earn his pay every week.

 

[zoonation]

this will be a 50/50 time share for at least half the season. no way they give Hall something like a 70/30 split coming off that injury. Cook is more than capable and, as MOP has noted, is a production workhorse. No chance they risk their best long term asset coming off significant injury.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A new phenomenon I’ve noticed this off-season, is so many posters using the tactic of disputing and arguing against something that was never actually said. It’s an odd phenomenon and it’s a bit annoying.

Oh, well maybe it’s a social media thing that’s catching on.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Another phenomenon are posters who are constantly trying to label others in order to tear apart anything they disagree with

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Adam Schefter who I dearly hate most of the time but is a GOD to many in here vs MOP Crazyman so take his exact words not mine
"$588,000 per week"

I generally can’t stand Schefter myself

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Another phenomenon are posters who are constantly trying to label others in order to tear apart anything they disagree with

It had nothing to do with you, but I'm seeing it in this thread a lot - I mostly keep you on ignore - and thanks for once again showing why, since what you said made no sense in context.
Not sure who I labeled (hint, I didn't label anyone).

 

[Biabreakable]

A new phenomenon I’ve noticed this off-season, is so many posters using the tactic of disputing and arguing against something that was never actually said. It’s an odd phenomenon and it’s a bit annoying.

Oh, well maybe it’s a social media thing that’s catching on.

This is not new at all.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A new phenomenon I’ve noticed this off-season, is so many posters using the tactic of disputing and arguing against something that was never actually said. It’s an odd phenomenon and it’s a bit annoying.

Oh, well maybe it’s a social media thing that’s catching on.

This is not new at all.

It seems more prevalent this season for some reason. Until some chooch felt the urge to stick his nose in, I wasn't really trying to make a big deal out of it, just something I observed as very prevalent in this particular thread.

I think most are saying it will be a pretty even split (early in the season at least).

 

[Biabreakable]

A new phenomenon I’ve noticed this off-season, is so many posters using the tactic of disputing and arguing against something that was never actually said. It’s an odd phenomenon and it’s a bit annoying.

Oh, well maybe it’s a social media thing that’s catching on.

This is not new at all.

It seems more prevalent this season for some reason. Until some chooch felt the urge to stick his nose in, I wasn't really trying to make a big deal out of it, just something I observed as very prevalent in this particular thread.

I think most are saying it will be a pretty even split (early in the season at least).

I dont know whats bothering you but try to take a deep breath and move on.

Threads have always grown from misunderstandings and disagreements to be much longer than they needed to be. That just how people are in any medium.

As Joe says try to be excellent to each other. We all lose sight of that at times including myself.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I dont know whats bothering you but try to take a deep breath and move on.

Nothing is bothering me (well one person did for 30 seconds but he’s not worth my time)

I just made an observation when I saw people arguing against Hall getting 70% of the carries (when no one was saying that) and I’m wondering if social media tactics were invading into real discussion. I won’t bring it up again.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Another phenomenon are posters who are constantly trying to label others in order to tear apart anything they disagree with

It had nothing to do with you, but I'm seeing it in this thread a lot - I mostly keep you on ignore - and thanks for once again showing why, since what you said made no sense in context.
Not sure who I labeled (hint, I didn't label anyone).

Stop digging

 

[Tau837]

Another phenomenon are posters who are constantly trying to label others in order to tear apart anything they disagree with

It had nothing to do with you, but I'm seeing it in this thread a lot - I mostly keep you on ignore - and thanks for once again showing why, since what you said made no sense in context.
Not sure who I labeled (hint, I didn't label anyone).

Stop digging

You are the one who inaccurately accused him of labeling other posters, apparently including yourself. He didn't. Move on and stop posting in this tangent.

I currently have zero posters on ignore, but you are getting close.

 

[Chaka]

I just made an observation when I saw people arguing against Hall getting 70% of the carries (when no one was saying that) and I’m wondering if social media tactics were invading into real discussion. I won’t bring it up again.

Are you sure you weren't arguing against something that didn't happen?

Actually I think there may be a simple confusion between this thread and the Hall thread where someone did suggest yesterday that Hall would be in line for a 70% share.

Whoever brought it up here may simply have been thinking of that thread. Not a surprise as these two are inextricably linked at this point.

Then again, I am pretty sure you have me on ignore as well so you may not see this.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Another phenomenon are posters who are constantly trying to label others in order to tear apart anything they disagree with

It had nothing to do with you, but I'm seeing it in this thread a lot - I mostly keep you on ignore - and thanks for once again showing why, since what you said made no sense in context.
Not sure who I labeled (hint, I didn't label anyone).

Stop digging

You are the one who inaccurately accused him of labeling other posters, apparently including yourself. He didn't. Move on and stop posting in this tangent.

I currently have zero posters on ignore, but you are getting close.

Lighten up
It was a joke
You all have thinner skin now than I've ever seen around here
We've been posters back and forth a long time and if you feel you need to hit ignore now, be my guest
Cheers!

 

[KingPrawn]

Rodgers loves his vets...Cook is going to be in that backfield a lot

I think he likes winning even better - I don't think he'll be pouting if the better RB is out there more often.

You sure about that? He pouted having two talented rookie WRs over Lazard and Cobb.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Rodgers loves his vets...Cook is going to be in that backfield a lot

I think he likes winning even better - I don't think he'll be pouting if the better RB is out there more often.

You sure about that? He pouted having two talented rookie WRs over Lazard and Cobb.

I can’t be sure.
Sorry for your loss.

 

[Payne]

Another phenomenon are posters who are constantly trying to label others in order to tear apart anything they disagree with

Wish I could like this 100 times. What happened to the good old days when you could have a healthy debate supported by facts?

 

[nelly29]

All being equal I think it is safe to say Dalvin will outscore Hall in weeks 1-4 ….. also safe to say Hall will outscore Dalvin weeks 13-17.
The middle section will be a fight back and forth depending on Tds but leaning towards Hall getting a bigger role the further you get into the season. Since the games later in the season are more important the 3 rounds Hall is going ahead of Dalvin seems justified.

 

[Chaka]

Another phenomenon are posters who are constantly trying to label others in order to tear apart anything they disagree with

Wish I could like this 100 times. What happened to the good old days when you could have a healthy debate supported by facts?

The good old days are never what memory wants us to believe they were.

This place had plenty of puffed chests back in the day. JB had to put in a ton of work early on to prevent this place from turning into the cesspool to that is reflected in so much social media and other message boards.

The Shark Pool is still the best place to go to have data distilled into a meaningful, debatable format.

Most of the contentious posts are likely the result of misinterpretation on behalf of the reader than actual slings and arrows being cast.

TL/DR The present is the good days. Enjoy them.

 

[pghrob]

Crazy how quickly stud RBs are so less relevant to team success in both real and fantasy football these days.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Crazy how quickly stud RBs are so less relevant to team success in both real and fantasy football these days.

Stud rb's are being undervalued this year. If you snag Chubb/Barkley/Pollard at great value, close to $40 in auction, or mid 2nd round and they end up as top RB they could easily end up winning championships for people. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that getting 20tds in a season with your #1 RB wins. Each one of those guys has that potential this year.

 

[Statorama]

I took a gamble on him in my primary auction league. At worst he's a premium handcuff, but there's lots of upside here. He's on a playoff contender with a good offensive line and a coach that likes to run the ball. Reading between all the lines in this thread, Dalvin's playing for that next contract and will be all season. If he rips off one of those classic Dalvin games in week one, he'll be a media/fan darling and earn a split of the carries. Any time Breece misses a blitz pickup or drops a dump off pass, Rodgers is going to be in Salah's ear like Mac Davis in North Dallas Forty. There are a lot of pathways to Cook earning value above his price tag - as long as you're bidding on him as you would any other premium handcuff.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've been taking Breece Hall in the Mid-Late 5th
Cook has been going in the 4th rd in most of my redrafts last few days, fyi
Have no idea, your guess is a s good as mine

 

[Statorama]

I've been taking Breece Hall in the Mid-Late 5th
Cook has been going in the 4th rd in most of my redrafts last few days, fyi
Have no idea, your guess is a s good as mine

Probably a lot of "hey, I've heard of that guy" bias.

 

[nelly29]

I've been taking Breece Hall in the Mid-Late 5th
Cook has been going in the 4th rd in most of my redrafts last few days, fyi
Have no idea, your guess is a s good as mine

Hall went mid 3rd in mine and Cook in the 7th …. Your league is backwards

 

[PIK95]

Crazy how quickly stud RBs are so less relevant to team success in both real and fantasy football these days.

I have been taking three rb's in my first four picks in pretty much all drafts fwiw. This is the year to do it imo.

 

[Biabreakable]

I've been taking Breece Hall in the Mid-Late 5th
Cook has been going in the 4th rd in most of my redrafts last few days, fyi
Have no idea, your guess is a s good as mine

Probably a lot of "hey, I've heard of that guy" bias.

Not sure if MOP plays with other managers from Florida but that could have something to do with too.