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RB Dalvin Cook, DAL (2 Viewers)
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Me too
There is no scenario anywhere that will allow Rico to be a league winner. Sorry.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
As a Dallas Cowboys fan - I can tell you, I believe Zeke will be the goalline back. Even at the end of his years with his initial run with Dallas, he always seemed to get positive yards. I think they will continue to utilize that skillset around the goalline. Rico Dowdle without any of that TD upset and the explosiveness to get him there from outside the 20 yard line, holds little value for me.
I think this offense will go through Dak Prescott and Zeke holds value in the late rounds by vulturing some TD's. Dowdle is a 14th+ round stash and Dalvin Cook holds very little value in this backfield.
I think this offense will go through Dak Prescott and Zeke holds value in the late rounds by vulturing some TD's. Dowdle is a 14th+ round stash and Dalvin Cook holds very little value in this backfield.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I've always been a Zeke guy. One of my favorite smack talks is posting the Zeke eating gif to all my league mates when he scores. Always fun. Was hard to watch him last year. When you need 1 yard he gets you 1 yard. When you need 5 yards he gets you 1 yard. Seen a few clips of training camp and it looked rough. Having said all that. Zeke is the only guy, outside of Cook staying healthy, from keeping Cook from being a flex option. Imo
efactor
Footballguy
I picked Cook up to stash him while the situation plays out.
Cook had a solid 2022 but people were disappointed because he had definitely last a step. I’ll throw last year out because of the Rodgers situation and the Jets terrible OL. Breece averaged 4.5 YPC because he is elite and broke off a decent amount of long runs. Most RBs would have sucked in that situation.
Cook isn’t what he was, but to say he has no chance to become the most productive back of the current Dallas RBs is off base IMO. That is something that could definitely happen. Most teams have a bench spot that makes that gamble worthwhile. Plus the answer should be pretty quick. By week 2 probably.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The Cowboys now have both Elliott and Cook. Last year in NE, Elliott put up some pedestrian numbers on a lousy offense . . . 235 touches, 955 YFS, 5 TD. The Patriots pretty much only used him and Stevenson at RB (and Rhamondre missed 5 games).
Taking all that into account, here were Zeke's weekly fantasy rankings in PPR leagues: 42, 59, 20, 54, 37, 15, 21, 48, 39, 28, 40, 18, 4, 40, 19, 23, 28. There were 6 weeks where he was a legit fantasy starter (Top 24) and a couple others where he was a flex.
IMO, that's the probably the upside of either Elliott or Cook (especially with Dowdle there). But if all 3 or healthy (or Dallas adds another RB from somewhere), I am not sure either of the retreads could produce what I just rambled off for Zeke in NE. I suppose there is a scenario and a narrative where one of these guys becomes the dedicated goal line back and gets some easy TDs. But that would have to be a consistent thing for me to want to hitch my wagon to one of them. However, I would still probably roster one of them as an "in emergency, break glass" kind of a thing, as we all have been through weeks with no healthy RBs to start.
Taking all that into account, here were Zeke's weekly fantasy rankings in PPR leagues: 42, 59, 20, 54, 37, 15, 21, 48, 39, 28, 40, 18, 4, 40, 19, 23, 28. There were 6 weeks where he was a legit fantasy starter (Top 24) and a couple others where he was a flex.
IMO, that's the probably the upside of either Elliott or Cook (especially with Dowdle there). But if all 3 or healthy (or Dallas adds another RB from somewhere), I am not sure either of the retreads could produce what I just rambled off for Zeke in NE. I suppose there is a scenario and a narrative where one of these guys becomes the dedicated goal line back and gets some easy TDs. But that would have to be a consistent thing for me to want to hitch my wagon to one of them. However, I would still probably roster one of them as an "in emergency, break glass" kind of a thing, as we all have been through weeks with no healthy RBs to start.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I was being hyperbolic saying I'd rather have an empty bench spot than Cook. And obviously this is just my opinion and I could be completely wrong. But RBs currently on a lot of waivers I'd gladly take over Cook: Jordan Mason - SF, Justice Hill - Bal, Samaje Perine - KC, Emanuel Wilson - GB, and Pierre Stong - Cle. I think they are all in better situations, closer to touches if not already more guaranteed to get them, and likely more talented/dynamic/higher upside than Cook at this point.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
There is a lot to unpack with the Dallas situation.
Deuce had a nice camp and flashed in Pre-Season. The real problem is figuring what is he is at the NFL level. Based on that struggle alone - I think DV is released when they activate Cook from the PS. Too niche and too predictable that if he’s in the game he’s the focus of the play. He’s not good enough in other areas to be the decoy for many plays.
I know Zeke is old and he certainly isn’t fast or have any kind of home run ability. However, he’s an excellent pass protector. He will also get you the yards the Oline blocks. He’s still excellent in short yardage and can punch the ball in on the goalie. Not a fumbler.
Cook vs. Dowdle. As to who get the second spot - it will come down to:
Better pass catcher
Better pass pro
I don’t pretend to know Cook well enough to give my opinion - but I will say - I believe the front office of the Cowboys have been pretty horny to get Cook. That tells me they likely see a defined role for him.
Cook looks to be in shape (agent video) and will now run behind an underrated young Cowboys Oline will help (Jets Oline was terrible last year). Guyton is a good looking rookie and is gonna be a good LT imo. Beebe also looks very solid at C and will be better than Biadasz was. You have All Pro at both guard spots with Smith and Martin.
For me it’s:
Zeke
Cook
Dowdle
Vaughn - released.
Deuce had a nice camp and flashed in Pre-Season. The real problem is figuring what is he is at the NFL level. Based on that struggle alone - I think DV is released when they activate Cook from the PS. Too niche and too predictable that if he’s in the game he’s the focus of the play. He’s not good enough in other areas to be the decoy for many plays.
I know Zeke is old and he certainly isn’t fast or have any kind of home run ability. However, he’s an excellent pass protector. He will also get you the yards the Oline blocks. He’s still excellent in short yardage and can punch the ball in on the goalie. Not a fumbler.
Cook vs. Dowdle. As to who get the second spot - it will come down to:
Better pass catcher
Better pass pro
I don’t pretend to know Cook well enough to give my opinion - but I will say - I believe the front office of the Cowboys have been pretty horny to get Cook. That tells me they likely see a defined role for him.
Cook looks to be in shape (agent video) and will now run behind an underrated young Cowboys Oline will help (Jets Oline was terrible last year). Guyton is a good looking rookie and is gonna be a good LT imo. Beebe also looks very solid at C and will be better than Biadasz was. You have All Pro at both guard spots with Smith and Martin.
For me it’s:
Zeke
Cook
Dowdle
Vaughn - released.
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A. Perine had a choice in the matter
B. Stephen and Will McClay likely relied on the feedback from Zimmer.
BIRDGANG52
Footballguy
For me, the primary constraint is that I don't think there's anything that Dalvin Cook does at this stage in his career that Rico Dowdle doesn't already give you. I could see Dalvin Cook still potentially having a receiving role as he was great at that in Minnesota, but otherwise he's not going to steal goalline carries from Ezekiel Elliot.
Point blank, he would have to be better than Dowdle or Dowdle would need to get hurt. If you already have Rico rostered, then he's a must own. Cook might be washed, but I'm sure he's better than Zeke and even then, in that scenario, I bet the Cowboys would be more likely to get Royce Freeman on the phone if Zeke were to go down. Let's be real here, there's a reason he had to wait until a week before the season after other plays were cut to get his opportunity.
Point blank, he would have to be better than Dowdle or Dowdle would need to get hurt. If you already have Rico rostered, then he's a must own. Cook might be washed, but I'm sure he's better than Zeke and even then, in that scenario, I bet the Cowboys would be more likely to get Royce Freeman on the phone if Zeke were to go down. Let's be real here, there's a reason he had to wait until a week before the season after other plays were cut to get his opportunity.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Never underestimate a 7 year vets lack of desire to go through a complete training camp. I don't know Cook. I will say, I wouldn't be surprised if he had no intention of going through a complete training camp. Would he rather train from home, post some videos, and spend time with his family or be treated like the new guy and grind out yet another training camp? Who knows for sure
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I agree
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
If they liked Cook more than Dowdle... why keep Dowdle on the team all offseason and not sign Cook earlier?
Cook, in my opinion, is... well... cooked. I feel like the Cowboys signing him is like that one guy in your FF league who signs a vet based on name alone and you wonder if he knows something that you don't (spoiler: he doesn't).
Cook, in my opinion, is... well... cooked. I feel like the Cowboys signing him is like that one guy in your FF league who signs a vet based on name alone and you wonder if he knows something that you don't (spoiler: he doesn't).
-OZ-
Footballguy
Holding my beer?
efactor
Footballguy
Based on camp reports, sounds like Zeke is the one who is cooked.
Not going to put much stock in last year. Dalvin worth an end of bench stash until this plays out IMO.
massraider
Footballguy
I don't know that signing Cook to the PS signals a major move in the backfield. Cook sat out there all summer, he's on the PS, with 15 scrubs. Maybe he takes Zeke's job, maybe DAL gets a look at him, and releases him from the PS in a couple weeks. I feel like both could happen.
Cook might just be cheap vet insurance.
Cook might just be cheap vet insurance.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I kind of agree that Elliott is the guy who is probably cooked (pun intended). One must not be closed minded about Dalvin Cook and I'm guilty of writing veterans off when I shouldn't. I'll keep an open mind for now.
rockaction
Footballguy
Cook is desperation. There are locker rooms full of better backs than any one of the Dallas backs (I’m thinking of the Jets, though I suppose Rico Dowdle could be their fourth over Abanikanda). But even Valladay on the Jets practice squad would be a benefit to Dallas’s main room, which is awful, frankly.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I read an article where Cook is praising Rico Dowdle who people do not seem to believe in.
This is most likely just Cook being a good team mate which he has always been. He is good for the RB room. But he seems to think Rico is the starter in Dallas right now.
This is most likely just Cook being a good team mate which he has always been. He is good for the RB room. But he seems to think Rico is the starter in Dallas right now.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I drafted him for nothing in 2/4 leagues. I hope he’s right
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Is it time?
Finley?
zamboni
Footballguy
Dalvin Cook could make his Cowboys debut Sunday
Running back Dalvin Cook could make his Cowboys debut on Sunday Night Football against the 49ers.
www.nbcsports.com
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
I just don't see how Cook gives them anything different from Elliot at this point.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Will this be an Adrian Petersonesque late career resurgence caused by the Cowboys' RB room woes where Cook finds the fountain of youth?Dalvin Cook could make his Cowboys debut Sunday
Running back Dalvin Cook could make his Cowboys debut on Sunday Night Football against the 49ers.
Or will it be a nothing-burger as this anemic backfield continues to yield little fantasy value?
Tune in next week! Same bat-time, same bat-channel!
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Well. One is chubby and one is not. I prefer my older rbs to not be chubby. Who knows what Cook has left. Looks like we about to find out. With what's ahead of him on the depth chart it isn't gonna take much to be the lead back. Does this translate into even rb3 numbers? Who knows
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Agreed. My unconscious bias is showing again when I gloss over his name but in the NFL the strangest things Happen
efactor
Footballguy
Exactly. And it's pretty much just Dowdle at this point. Zeke is pretty much cooked
socrates
Footballguy
The last I saw Cook, he was arguably worse than Zeke. Neither Cook nor Zeke has been relevant in a while.
I live in Dallas and if not this week Cook will be activated next week. Remember a practice squad player can only be elevated three times. After that he is automatically waived or officially signed to the active roster.
TBH it really doesn’t matter if Cook is decent. It’s going to be a three headed committee. Cause Jerry Jones won’t ever make Zeke inactive. So as a general rule in FF. We stay away from three headed RBBC.
TBH it really doesn’t matter if Cook is decent. It’s going to be a three headed committee. Cause Jerry Jones won’t ever make Zeke inactive. So as a general rule in FF. We stay away from three headed RBBC.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why does Jones still like Elliott? Is he stupid enough to think he’s still a good player?
Jerry is all about the $ and looking good.
He signed Zeke to a 2 million deal.
The old fart can’t stand wasting money.
So Zeke will be active to earn that pay.
This is the downfall of the Cowboys. The owner is also the GM. No roles of separation. So you’ll see players on the field who should belong on the street.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Kind of
isn’t it (rhetorical).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You will go on suicide watch should Breece Hall go down.
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RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Dropped Flacco (SF league and ARich is my QB2) to pick him up. I'm pretty thin at RB and have Dowdle so worth a shot even if I'm not a believer.
It happens every year.
You hold a guy all season, then finally give up, and then it's his turn.
What can you do.
Can only hope you have more hits than misses.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Just not for Dalvin Cook.
