oddsbodkins
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Called him a league winner last week and that proved true for my squad!
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RB Damien Williams, ATL (1 Viewer)
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Jello_Biafra
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kittenmittens
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I lost him in one league. It was luck. He doesn't do nearly this without Ware going down.
He looked good out there though.
He looked good out there though.
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dcgangstas
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If they pencil Damien in as the 2019 starter, he's an early 2nd round pick.
The Chiefs should focus on defense, especially the secondary. Drafting guy s like David Montgomery will really complicate things.
Did Reid ever draft a RB high? I mean he always seems to find productive ones nonetheless.
Boone22
Footballguy
Both Ware and Damian are FAs in 2019. The only RB on the roster for 2019 is Darrel Williams.
dcgangstas
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
League winner.....derrick henry too
Football Jones
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If anybody on the current roster will eventually be their feature back (past this season), it's Darrel Williams.
It's also far from a sure thing they'll go after a top RB.
Those two things mean Darrel COULD be a monster bargain.
It's also far from a sure thing they'll go after a top RB.
Those two things mean Darrel COULD be a monster bargain.
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kittenmittens
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Why not Damien after how he's performed so far. He could still have a big playoffs for them too.
beerbuff
Footballguy
I totally agree. Damien is doing everything right. They brought in West because they know Darrell is raw with pretty much zero experience. I really wouldn't be surprised to see them bring back both Ware and Damien.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Damien has performed well, but I much prefer Darrel as the eventual feature back if they don’t go get a top RB in the offseason.
Darrel is a big, physical runner with very good pass-catching ability. That’s a rare combination. He reminds me quite a bit of Hunt.
That said, I haven’t seen enough of Darrel to be super-high on him, but had he transferred from LSU to get out of the shadow of Fournette/Guice, I have no doubts he would’ve been drafted.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Damien is 224 pounds so also big and physical and he’s been used as a third down back in the past. If they can bring him back cheap they may.
I think there’s a wide range of possibilities though including Darrel being the feature back after some camp competition. There’s so many different ways this RB situation can go for 2019.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Manster
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Football Jones
Footballguy
Agreed. Lots of possibilities.
I doubt KC brings back both Damien & Ware (who are FAs). The lack of a strong RB class could be a factor in the competition, as well. And it's unlikely they would spend much on a FA RB.
The winner of their RB competition will probably be a huge bargain.
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kittenmittens
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I grabbed Darrel in dynasty so I really hope you are right on this.
Hopefully Damien shines in the playoffs and gets a contract elsewhere.
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Football Jones
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I'm not predicting Darrel will be their feature back, but I'm confident he's their best long-term option on the roster right now.
It'll be interesting to see what they do at RB.
He looked like the OU back last game. I was impressed. He really had seemed to forget how to run tough in the NFL and been more scatback.
I saw some flashes in Miami and now with KC but...that was some game by him.
Maybe he is confident and comfy now. Not sure but....impressed
I saw some flashes in Miami and now with KC but...that was some game by him.
Maybe he is confident and comfy now. Not sure but....impressed
It seems to me like defense is paramount and making it harder to keep up with Mahomes.
Reality probably is a bad draft spot and BPA though
Biabreakable
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I agree he looked better in most recent game than I have ever seen WIlliams.
Maybe its the system/coaching? Reid just seems to get more out of his RB than most coaches do. Even though he forgets about it at times.
His WCO is very friendly to RB catching passes and running against weaker fronts.
scott46984
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Watching how this carries into next year for Damien with much interest
I think recent Damien is better but much of his career Damien is worse. Reid probably rides the hot hand. He has often been a RBBC guy so he's very comfy with doing that
Boone22
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Chiefs signed RB Damien Williams to a two-year extension through 2020.
NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the extension has a "max value" of $8.1 million. It is surely heavily incentive laden. The 26-year-old ex-Dolphin has cleared 100 yards from scrimmage in back-to-back games and is averaging a robust 5.3 yards per carry on the year. Williams is also a capable pass catcher. Although the Chiefs clearly envision Williams as part of their post-Kareem Hunt backfield, all Williams' extension really guarantees is that he will be a part of next year's 53-man roster.
NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the extension has a "max value" of $8.1 million. It is surely heavily incentive laden. The 26-year-old ex-Dolphin has cleared 100 yards from scrimmage in back-to-back games and is averaging a robust 5.3 yards per carry on the year. Williams is also a capable pass catcher. Although the Chiefs clearly envision Williams as part of their post-Kareem Hunt backfield, all Williams' extension really guarantees is that he will be a part of next year's 53-man roster.
Black
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Dr. Octopus
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As the blurb says, it guarantees nothing about his usage next season but it’s encouraging that they felt he was important enough to get this done now and not wait until the offseason.
I surely like his chances to be the Chiefs starting back in 2019 better now. He’ll go into camp knowing the offense and having gained Reid’s trust assuming he continues the year strong.
He helped me win two dynasty championships this season and I have him on another rebuilding team. At the very least this presents a very good “sell” window.
I surely like his chances to be the Chiefs starting back in 2019 better now. He’ll go into camp knowing the offense and having gained Reid’s trust assuming he continues the year strong.
He helped me win two dynasty championships this season and I have him on another rebuilding team. At the very least this presents a very good “sell” window.
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bostonfred
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What would it take to trade him in dynasty? What would you give to acquire him now, before the off season?
DropKick
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Good news for those who plucked him from the wire. As such, I'm more optimistic he'll have a role next season.
Prior to this news, I was fairly certain KC wouldn't go into the season with Ware and Williams (6 and 5 year vets, respectively). One would think they would target a younger, faster option that Reid could use creatively on this team of track stars. I still think that's the likely case and the draft will tell... If so, perhaps this signals that Ware will be the odd man out.
zamboni
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Keep an eye on the other Williams, too (Darrel). They kept him around despite already having Hunt (at the time), Ware and Damien.
bostonfred
Footballguy
In 11 games this year hunt had 1204 total yards. That's 109 yards per game.
In 5 games williams has 504 total yards. That's 101 yards per game.
In 4 starts williams has 474 total yards. That's 118 yards per game.
In 11 games hunt ran 181 times for 824 yards. That's 15.5 carries per game at 4.55 yards per carry.
In 5 games williams ran 67 times for 346 yards. That's 13.4 carries per game at 5.2 yards per carry.
In 4 starts williams ran 59 times for 342 yards. That's 14.8 carries per game at 6 yards per carry.
In 11 games hunt had 26 catches for 378 yards.
In 5 games williams had 23 catches for 160 yards.
In 4 starts williams had 19 catches for 144 yards.
In 11 games hunt had 14 touchdowns
In 5 games, williams had 7 touchdowns
In 4 starts, williams had 5 touchdowns
Williams might not be as good as hunt, but he's doing a hell of an impression.
I understand that a small sample size of games late in the season isn't gospel. I also understand those games were against 4 playoff teams - Baltimore, Seattle, the chargers and colts - that were all playing great defense late in the season.
In 5 games williams has 504 total yards. That's 101 yards per game.
In 4 starts williams has 474 total yards. That's 118 yards per game.
In 11 games hunt ran 181 times for 824 yards. That's 15.5 carries per game at 4.55 yards per carry.
In 5 games williams ran 67 times for 346 yards. That's 13.4 carries per game at 5.2 yards per carry.
In 4 starts williams ran 59 times for 342 yards. That's 14.8 carries per game at 6 yards per carry.
In 11 games hunt had 26 catches for 378 yards.
In 5 games williams had 23 catches for 160 yards.
In 4 starts williams had 19 catches for 144 yards.
In 11 games hunt had 14 touchdowns
In 5 games, williams had 7 touchdowns
In 4 starts, williams had 5 touchdowns
Williams might not be as good as hunt, but he's doing a hell of an impression.
I understand that a small sample size of games late in the season isn't gospel. I also understand those games were against 4 playoff teams - Baltimore, Seattle, the chargers and colts - that were all playing great defense late in the season.
zamboni
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Hankmoody
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That, or Kareem Hunt wasn't as special as the numbers suggest, and there's some magic in that system.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think that’s fair. Some systems are just set up for RB success. Pittsburgh is another one when you consider the offense barely skipped a beat when Conner took over for Bell.
Every single season a few RB's who are sparingly used early in the season and are fresh legged later in the season against tired D's fool fantasy people into thinking this is what that player would look like if he was the starting RB from the jump.
Williams has looked good and so has a guy like CJ Anderson, both of them have been playing great, of that their is no doubt. But you are being misled if you think this is how the player would perform if they were the starting RB from the jump next year and why I think it's an exercise in futility comping them against RB's who were opening week feature backs.
That being said some fool in one of my FFPC leagues traded Damian Williams for a 2020 third last night which blows my freaking mind. IMO he's worth at least a very high current second, in FFPC leagues if he survives FA without major comp even knowing they likely draft some comp I'd pay a late first for him after FA/FFPC cutdown date, he survives both FA and the draft that price just goes higher up the first. So I'm not saying he's not good or has value, but I'm saying what you see right now is not what you are going to see next year if he is the starting RB from week one on. I'm also saying he's not as good as Hunt.
Williams has looked good and so has a guy like CJ Anderson, both of them have been playing great, of that their is no doubt. But you are being misled if you think this is how the player would perform if they were the starting RB from the jump next year and why I think it's an exercise in futility comping them against RB's who were opening week feature backs.
That being said some fool in one of my FFPC leagues traded Damian Williams for a 2020 third last night which blows my freaking mind. IMO he's worth at least a very high current second, in FFPC leagues if he survives FA without major comp even knowing they likely draft some comp I'd pay a late first for him after FA/FFPC cutdown date, he survives both FA and the draft that price just goes higher up the first. So I'm not saying he's not good or has value, but I'm saying what you see right now is not what you are going to see next year if he is the starting RB from week one on. I'm also saying he's not as good as Hunt.
replacements
Footballguy
There is no way you can know if what you are saying is true. He may very well be over performing. He may also just be warming up.
Years ago I thought like you and I dealt Arian foster for next to nothing in a dynasty rookie draft. Worst trade I ever made in my life.
Williams could be a stud for the next 3 years and he is looking really good right now. I have him and right or wrong. I am not planning on dealing him.
I like this way of thinking. The late season surge is so common that it seems to have merit.
Yet I always wonder, if this theory really is correct, why teams don’t carry a second rb on the roster specifically with the intent of switching them in 2/3 of the way through the season to profit from the “fresh legs effect.” The fact that we son’t see this, and instead see series-by-series committees when a team has backs of comparable skill suggests we might be missing something in this 20,000 foot analysis.
What I"m saying is true because fresh legged RB's do fool people every year. What I did not say is that all RBs who fit this criteria are guaranteed to bust going forward. If I felt that way I would not have suggested that I'd pay a first round pick for Williams depending on how the offseason roster movement goes for the Chiefs. I just think people need to slow down some of the hype and some of the he's better then Hunt type comps because I don't think it's as fair a comp as it seems when looking at RB getting early season carries vs fresh back getting last season carries. Fact the first comp you seemed to think of required you to go back to 2009 does reinforce how most RB's don't carry over this kind of late season surge when sparingly used earlier in year. Not impossible, but if playing odds the odds suggest it's a bit of a mirage.
We sometimes hear that a coach might be limiting a RB to keep him fresh later in the season but I can't recall a coach publicly saying that as much as it seems to be speculation. I believe that is because coaches are normally geared to week to week and doing everything they can to win the next game.
But I still think teams goal is to have 2-3 RB's who can function for at least a few weeks if the RB goes down. In fantasy we kind of learned this over the years. When a starting RB goes down in fantasy we usually rush to get the next man up and the payoff odds in the short term are usually strong. But we don't go after handcuff WR's with the same zest or confidence we have that the backup RB is going to stroll in and start churning out big stats.
But all that being said if I coached a team fantasy owners would hate me because I'd advocate a RBBC approach. Big fan of what NE and Saints did with multi RB's who are skilled in passing game offer. I believe the last RB to lead the NFL in rushing on a SB team was Emmit. I think over last 5 SB winners the highest rushing totals by a RB for the season was Blounts year he barely went over 1,000 yards. Some feature type backs, like Lynch, have certainly performed well in the playoffs but again the odds suggest that if you ride your RB hard all season he won't be around or as effective to help you get where you want to go in the playoffs.
So what I'm trying to say is I don't think teams rotate their RB's or prioritize having a strong 2-3 man stable as much as I think they should.
I think this particular one has more to do with the defined value of having a known starter vs. the long term, riskier investment of guessing in advance which rb will have that chance.
I don’t think the value spike has much of anything to do with a “fresh legs” bump, and everything to do with knowing the player will get a starter’s workload.
For a better (purely hypothetical) measure, how much bounce do you think a first-tier handcuff back would get if the coach announced in preseason that that handcuff would become the starter in weeks 12-16? I think we might see a bump there relative to other handcuff backs, based on the fresh legs idea.
I agree with this. But I still wonder whether the in-game rotation we inevitably see is in fact the optimum, or if rotating week by week or month by month would keep both backs much fresher than the typical commttee rotation does.
ILUVBEER99
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Samkon Gado 2.0?
replacements
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The key to assessing how KC feels about Williams will show during the draft and free agency.
Absent a significant investment in either of those talent pools, Williams looks to have earned lead back status next year. He’s performed quite well and KC re-upped him already; I think that says something.
Absent a significant investment in either of those talent pools, Williams looks to have earned lead back status next year. He’s performed quite well and KC re-upped him already; I think that says something.
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