Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
watched the game today with that guy in my league too, he was excited but not happy. holy wow. so what will the split look like going forward, Mostert now the 1b?
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RB De’Von Achane, MIA (4 Viewers)
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Chris Brooks is also a threat to playing time for Jeff Wilson. He's a younger and slightly bigger version of Wilson, and can do everything decently. They might slow-walk his return from IR and then he or Brooks could be an inactive on game day.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Jesus. Dropped him after week 1 inactive. Looks like an explosive flex option or rb2 firecracker. Floor could be **** vs a real nfl team but he will be making people miss out there with his speed and shiftiness
TartanLion
Footballguy
Drafted him. Dropped him. Was working out on golf course yesterday went to add him again before games started and signal was dodgy and it didn’t go through.
Feeling sick about it !
Feeling sick about it !
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
on the bench for 98% of owners yesterday per Yahoo
what was the start % on other platforms?
what was the start % on other platforms?
In CBSSPORTS, rostered 57%, started 2%. Their projection in non-ppr was 3.2 pts. So, their auto-generated post-game trash-talking write-ups shouldn't be too harsh on GMs.
To maintain consistent relevance, Achane needs to be used around the goal-line. On the 2nd and 3rd drives, he scored from the 7 (run) and 4 yard (pass) lines. They also used him on 2nd and goal from the 5 and he got 4 up the middle to the 1. Miami is using him on short yardage, he's not your typical small back. But can Miami's offense be good enough to support 2 backs versus good defenses? Next week will be a great test in Buffalo.
satch
Footballguy
It has to be asked- is Achane a sell high, and what would it take? Many of us literally grabbed him off the waiver wire before the game and could immediately flip him for something of significant value based on this one game, which is very likely the best game of his fantasy career. His value may never be higher than it is right now.
So, what would it take in dynasty? Redraft? Would you trade Achane for Jonathan Taylor? Gibbs? Henry? Andrews? Trading Achane this week could be ballsy and brilliant or highly regrettable for years to come.
So, what would it take in dynasty? Redraft? Would you trade Achane for Jonathan Taylor? Gibbs? Henry? Andrews? Trading Achane this week could be ballsy and brilliant or highly regrettable for years to come.
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Had him on my bench. I think you would have to be either exceptionally desperate or Biff Tannen to have started him.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
If I get a bellcow for Achane, I am doing it 100%. He looks to me like a PPR asset on limited touches but it's clear the Dolphins and 49ers both don't really care about RB longevity so he may get a lot of between the tackles work only to inevitable get hurt due to his size.
I'd rather have Gibbs long term considering the difference in draft capital and team philosophy.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
It is pretty funny that McDaniels figured out a workaround for the whole "180 lb RB that runs a 4.3 can't hold up" thing.
McDaniels says fine then I'll just get 2 of them!
McDaniels says fine then I'll just get 2 of them!
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He looked great, no doubt about it. I'm not going to get into the argument of Mostert vs Achane, because both will be relevant barring injury of course. This doesn't mean I won't have some "size" jokes about him, but 203 yards and 4 TDs has certainly earned my respect. I hope both he and Mostert stay healthy the entire year. The Dolphins are my stepson's favorite team, so I'll be rooting for the Dolphins this year.
Banger
Footballguy
Hahaha. Things can change quickly in this game….
In redraft, similar to Gibbs. Miami's defense is an enigma, 2 out of 3 bad games, so the offense may have to score - I have more faith in the DET defense! Henry usually comes around, but maybe not this year, especially with a good young playe Spears and a struggling offense. If I had Henry, I'd consider trade for Achane.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Yes. Yes it was. I will forever be haunted by this one.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Exactly! I’m very leery of this kind of tail chasing.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I was impressed by the creativity of the plays I saw.
One play was a play action to Mostert running to the right with Achane getting the ball on a end around.
Just beautiful.
One play was a play action to Mostert running to the right with Achane getting the ball on a end around.
Just beautiful.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I wouldnt be in a hurry to sell Achane. After watching him for awhile last night he looks legit to me.
satch
Footballguy
Who/what do you consider a bell cow? That term almost feels irrelevant now. I guess a guy like Barkley would qualify, but I’m not sure I’d trade Achane for Barkley right now. As we saw yesterday, a guy like Achane simply doesn’t need big volume to be a fantasy star, particularly on what appears to be the leagues best offense. Plus Achane is healthy and Barkley’s not.
What about Henry? I think I’d rather have Achane at this point. To be completely honest, the guys I’d definitely trade Achane for right now in dynasty are CMC, Bijan, and……that’s about it.
I’d certainly consider Taylor, Barkley, Gibbs, Walker, Pollard, and that’s probably about it. Now, that’s not at all to say I’m all in on Achane, I’m just not that excited about very many RBs these days. Almost all of them have question marks. Achane’s question is whether or not he can be even half as effective as this somewhat consistently. If so, he’s a top 5 dynasty RB. Considering the offense he’s attached to, I genuinely think that’s possible.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'll certainly be playing Archane over Henry next week, not sure what the season long impact will be but he looks the part athletically and he works with two other parma-injured backs
I hate to be that guy to throw cold water on the subject but can we temper expectations just a bit? First Mostert had a very good game playing in front of him. Second we are talking about a guy who was a scratch week 1 and barely played week 2. Third I am in a wheelchair and think I could have gained yardage on that defense. That was the most epic display of horrible defense I think Ive ever seen. And 4th anybody ever EVER seen a defense give up 102 points to runningbacks on a team in 1/2 point ppr before? I dont think it has ever happened and doubt it ever will again. The defense gave up 70 points for a reason... they were awful and quickly gave up. Look I am not saying this kid isnt good but will he ever get 18 carries again at his size without injuries? Not likely. Was it impressive? ABSOLUTELY. does it mean he is rosterable? sure...absolutely. NOBODY thinks he will repeat that performance but has he earned enough of the action to be playable? Time will tell.
He was a scratch due to a shoulder injury suffered after being body slammed during the preseason. He showed glimpses of explosion and up the middle toughness and receiving ability up to that injury. He'll never repeat that performance but if MIA continues to use him around the GL and as a receiver (4 catches yesterday) he can be top 15.
Banger
Footballguy
McDaniels seems like he can scheme with the best of them and if you get this kid in space…LOOKOUT. He’s a weapon and might not be used consistently but he’ll break some big plays. With the threat of Hill/Waddle you can’t cover everything and it looks like all Achane needs is a crease.
satch
Footballguy
I don’t think you’re saying anything we’re all not already thinking. It’s okay to be excited and realistic at the same time.
I don’t think anyone expects Achane to ever repeat this performance. I said earlier this was very likely the best game of his career, which is weird but probably true. And everything you said was also true, this was a perfect storm for Achane.
All of that said, Mike McDaniel was super excited to draft Achane because of how his skill set fits the offense and yesterday did happen. We have no choice but to react fantasy-wise. You say we should temper expectations. Okay, then I ask you, what do realistic expectations look like for Achane? Where would you rank him dynasty-wise? Would be nice to get an actual list, as I’m genuinely curious what tempered expectations look like.
As an excited Achane owner who also loves to trade, I’m admittedly conflicted.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
In a redraft, Archane is still a pretty speculative player that could eat up a roster spot and never really pan out.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Lol, people are seriously still in here trying to hate on this kid's potential? After THAT performance? I don't care who he was playing against, they're paid to play football. If you didn't watch how Achane runs and catches the ball with speed, agility and power and understand how that translates to stardom, I don't know what to tell you. You're too late, he has an elite skillset that fits into an elite offense in the best of ways. The college tape is something to behold. The combine performance was stellar. The reports out of camp were glowing after being drafted in the 3rd round. This was his 3rd NFL game after a fluke pre-season injury, 2nd game where he dressed. Arrow is pointing up...WAY WAY up. I would have to think long and hard about putting him in a trade at this point. After one huge game, you're just not going to get paid the price a performance and potential like that warrants.
satch
Footballguy
Also,
True, we really haven’t seen enough to get excited about yet.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
We should probably stop pretending he's a buy/sell option in 90% of competitive leagues, unless owners are selling for closer to what he was worth before this game. His value to his owners has just skyrocketed to astronomical proportions. Reading just this thread (and TBF what I've seen elsewhere too), owners are now putting him as the 2nd best back of the draft behind Bijan, and a value of a top 10 RB in the league. I don't see any world in which people are paying even close to those prices on the back of this one, literally record breaking, game. Could he be worth that come the end of the season, sure could. But no decent owner in their right mind is buying him right now at these prices projecting his future off of what will likely be the best game of his entire career. Owners should just be super happy to have him on their roster, looking like a great pick with lots of talent in a great situation.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
If you were living under a rock all offseason and never watched this kid play in college, yeah, you might be able to write this off as a one week fluke. But nothing to get excited about? Sunday proved this guy can do it all and his track speed is very much football speed and very much translates to the NFL. As someone that drafted Achane, this very much excites me about his future. The Dolphins have two guys that look faster than anyone else on the field. 'Reek and Achane look like the fastest players on the field, maybe the NFL, and they also have Mostert and Waddle? How is this even fair? LOL
satch
Footballguy
The flip side of this is that some Achane owners don’t genuinely believe in him and see this as a sell opportunity, willing to sell for less than you might think before the sell window closes.
satch
Footballguy
Thought the sarcasm was obvious, considering my previous posts.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I'd say I was generous in insinuating there will be owners like that in 10% of leagues. I think it will be even less than that. I'm sure they exist, you just have to pray you're in a league with one and that you get to him before the other 10 owners lol. I can't imagine the thought process of an Achane owner looking to sell for close what his value was prior to this game; Marquise Brown, Pat Friermuth, Miles Sanders, Isaiah Pacheco. Nor do I see savvy owners buying him for the price of a top 30 start up value guy/early future 1st.
coloradochip
Footballguy
FYI, the coach's name is McDaniel not McDaniels. McDaniels is the coach in Las Vegas
OK this thread convinced me to take him off waivers Saturday. Glad I did. Wish I'd started him. In any case wondering how people view going forward. Is he a 50/50 split with Mossert? When Wilson returns a RBBC? Wondering how high people think his position is now. Better than Montgomery with the Lions when he returns?
Thanks for talking me ONTO the ledge and taking Achane before Sunday. No chance I would have been first in WW and got him now.
Thanks for talking me ONTO the ledge and taking Achane before Sunday. No chance I would have been first in WW and got him now.
Banger
Footballguy
With a performance like that it's going to be hard to put the genie back in the bottle. He EARNED touches and showed incredible explosiveness. A timeshare/split would make perfect sense from Miami's perspective...both guys are explosive and keeping them fresh and rotating makes it nightmare for defenses along with probably the top WR tandem in the NFL. The speed of the offense is incredible and keeping that constant pressure on a defense seems logical to me.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
They looked especially dangerous with both on the field. McDaniel looks very much the part of an offensive genius and the speed on this team is simply outrageous.
I remember what the greatest show on turf looked like, and Miami is the first time I've seen a team that reminds me of that type of speed and explosiveness. If Miami can stay healthy, they might give the '99-'01 Rams a run for their money.
Achane's emergence is good for Miami and it's good for Mostert and let's not forget, Waddle wasn't even on the field. This offense is ridiculous.
satch
Footballguy
Which current players would you trade him for?
Banger
Footballguy
I think it'll be extremely difficult to trade him because any owner is going to want an established top end player based on what Achane flashed but most owners are going to want/need to see more than one insane game against a team that gave up. I think it's worth a shot to try to deal him but I'm just looking objectively at the situation and I'm not a top 10 player for him and if you aren't getting that kind of player why would you deal him with the RB landscape the way it currently is. seems like a stalemate to me...
would a guy like Ridley be enough? Higgins? The unknown upside is so appealing...
I haven't heard anything about Jeff Wilson since he went on 4 game IR. However, the statement below from Coach McDaniel a few weeks ago makes me think he may take longer than 4 weeks. Also, Wilson started out strong last year in Miami,but faded some down the stretch. He's a JAG can do everything but not a threat to Achane.
>>McDaniel said Wilson had “a midsection injury compounded by some finger issues. We made the assessment he couldn’t protect himself and couldn’t be himself the way we know him to be. Time is the best healer. His true passion in life is to play this game so he will do everything he can. I wouldn’t be surprised if he would make a return this season. We will let his body tell us.”<<
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Now everyone gonna put Achane in their lineup and get 6.4 points from him.
Banger
Footballguy
Wilson's a fine player and may have a role when healthy but he can't do what Achane did.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I'm not sure how you trade this guy unless you can do it straight up or in a package for a cache of early draft picks, CMC, Bijan, elite WR or Kelce. This goes for redraft, keeper and dynasty. Achane has proven his ceiling is as high as anyone in the entire NFL any given week. After playing meaningful snaps in 1 of his first 3 weeks, he's currently the #4 RB in non-PPR. Miami's #1RB had 4 TDs and this guy scored more fantasy points.
Longevity and usage against a good NFL team is a legitimate question mark here, but I'm just not sure how you get trade away potential like this. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, it's highly likely the owner values this guy much higher than the rest of the league at this point so I doubt you see a high percentage of trades involving him this early on.
Longevity and usage against a good NFL team is a legitimate question mark here, but I'm just not sure how you get trade away potential like this. As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, it's highly likely the owner values this guy much higher than the rest of the league at this point so I doubt you see a high percentage of trades involving him this early on.
I’m actually looking for a big haul of picks like I mentioned above and then use some lesser draft capital to fill the position. This is the time of year where teams straight up bail on guys like Moss because 0-3 and would take any mid round draft pick.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The challenge with dealing him now is that this game looks like an extreme outlier.
Mostert also had an awesome game (4 TD!) and NFL teams don’t put up 70 very often last I checked.
Were I attempting to acquire Achane I’d look at this week with a huge grain of salt, skeptical that such performances would become the norm.
What Achane shareholders looking to deal him are hoping for is another week or two of even semi-elite production.
I don’t see anyone moving a CMC, Bijan or Kelce. Maybe someone would deal a couple 1sts if they have them, but that’s a much more specific trade partner to find.
1 monster game is unlikely to convince folks that Achane is a cornerstone player, especially with a coach who uses a multi-back system.
They were kicking the tires on JT just 3 weeks ago.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
The most likely outcome. Not to say Achane isn’t good or will be bust…but…one game does not a season make.
How many people think Achane will finish the season as a Top 20 RB?
