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Chris Johnson was 4.24 at 195.Has there been a notable RB his size? Wrong question.
Has there been a notable RB this fast?
Chris Johnson was 4.24 at 195.Has there been a notable RB his size? Wrong question.
Has there been a notable RB this fast?
Then why do they keep saying Archane's 4.32 is the fastest for a RB?Chris Johnson was 4.24 at 195.Has there been a notable RB his size? Wrong question.
Has there been a notable RB this fast?
Then why do they keep saying Archane's 4.32 is the fastest for a RB?
Maybe just this draft?Then why do they keep saying Archane's 4.32 is the fastest for a RB?Chris Johnson was 4.24 at 195.Has there been a notable RB his size? Wrong question.
Has there been a notable RB this fast?
History isn’t on his side. If he was a WR I would be more interested. He won’t do enough to be fantasy relevant. I hope he goes in the first round and better players drop.Has there been a notable RB his size? Wrong question.
Warrick Dunn comp with more speed.
I forgot about him. 5’9” 180Warrick Dunn comp with more speed.
Now there's the outlier we were all looking for!
Interesting comp.
The fact we have to go back so far to find a comp should tell people something. For every Dunn there’s been 10 Dri Archers.I forgot about him. 5’9” 180Warrick Dunn comp with more speed.
Now there's the outlier we were all looking for!
Interesting comp.
Yeah, and it seems like every other time he gets hit, he comes up limping for a minute.Remember when Devonta Smith came out and everyone called him an outlier? Now
He's not missed a game. I'm not going to sit here and judge his durability based on how he looks after a hit. Come on man. Plenty of bigger WR's get up looking a bit wobbly as well.Yeah, and it seems like every other time he gets hit, he comes up limping for a minute.
Safeties are by and large smaller then they've been in the past and this years draft is filled with them. People have been discussing LB's getting smaller for years now. This is why there is a lot of talk about teams prioritizing blocking TE's and trying to take advantage of the shift to smaller D's designed more to defend the passing game.I’m not sure linebackers and safeties got the memo about the league’s evolution. lol
I look forward to a future where no one in the NFL is over 5’7”He's not missed a game. I'm not going to sit here and judge his durability based on how he looks after a hit. Come on man. Plenty of bigger WR's get up looking a bit wobbly as well.Yeah, and it seems like every other time he gets hit, he comes up limping for a minute.
Safeties are by and large smaller then they've been in the past and this years draft is filled with them. People have been discussing LB's getting smaller for years now. This is why there is a lot of talk about teams prioritizing blocking TE's and trying to take advantage of the shift to smaller D's designed more to defend the passing game.I’m not sure linebackers and safeties got the memo about the league’s evolution. lol
Really? (sarcasm) didn't notice the difference.Sorry, @menobrown - I know you’re making good points, but I’m all hopped up on Tramadol after knee surgery & the idea of an all-tiny NFL is cracking me up.
I continue to be of the opinion that it is not. Looks like a great class to me. Time will tell I guess.but I've long held the opinion that this class was just a whiff by the devy guys
I continue to be of the opinion that it is not. Looks like a great class to me. Time will tell I guess.
I’m not sure that’s accurate since we still have yet to get to their pro days. Hey, it might be. But like you say, they’re not tested - but they will be.I continue to be of the opinion that it is not. Looks like a great class to me. Time will tell I guess.
The reason I say that is because the guys that play RB are undersized or not testing. It's making it very tough for teams to draft them with any draft capital expended. And draft capital is really what we're living for in FF when it comes down to ultimate decisions. We were sort of hopeful for a minute that we'd see a takeover by the young guys, but they don't seem physically up to snuff for historical purposes. Unless we have a lot of really good, small guys. Then meno's point stands and we have a re-evaluation of what qualifies. But that bets against recent history, and it isn't the side of the coin i want to be on.
I’m not sure that’s accurate since we still have yet to get to their pro days
It has long been my understanding that player pro days were meaningful for players who sat out certain things at the combine.Nobody is really paying attention to pro days
It has long been my understanding that player pro days were meaningful for players who sat out certain things at the combine.
I agree and when I was trying to make my point earlier about the league going smaller I was trying to clarify there is nothing about him that was making me try and make an argument he was a workhorse. 10-12 is more of a realistic goal and in fantasy he'll need to have 1/3rd of that in the receiving game to have relevance.You've got to be comfortable with ten-twelve touches a game max and then you know who you have
It's a little light on high end supreme RB talent IMO, but I'd stack the potential starter quality depth against any class in last 10 years. Now what remains to be seen is do a lot of these RB's this time next year give you confidence they are their teams starters or are they the kinds that are going to make you nervous every draft class/FA cycle? My guess is right now a few outside of Gibbs/Bijan will prove to be that, but just a few.'ve long held the opinion that this class was just a whiff by the devy guys
Defenses are getting smaller as they try to keep up with faster offenses and the league rules have taken a lot of the physicality over the middle out of the game.I’m not sure linebackers and safeties got the memo about the league’s evolution.
The future of the NFLDefenses are getting smaller as they try to keep up with faster offenses and the league rules have taken a lot of the physicality over the middle out of the game.I’m not sure linebackers and safeties got the memo about the league’s evolution.
I've been getting excited myself.Devon Achane - 4.32, 188lbs
Chris Johnson - 4.24, 195lbs
For what it's worth, Achane is shorter too, putting his BMI at 28.2 vs 27.2 for CJ2K.
I often wonder what would happen if you had a team predicated on running the ball with not 1 but 2 primary ball carriers that could each take as many as 20+ carries and throw the ball as defenses pinch up to stop the bludgeoning the OL is dishing out on offense. I would think a light defense or a defense with a softer middle would be eaten alive.Defenses are getting smaller as they try to keep up with faster offenses and the league rules have taken a lot of the physicality over the middle out of the game.I’m not sure linebackers and safeties got the memo about the league’s evolution.
Probably would do ok against bad teams but would need an elite defense to ultimately keep up with Allen, Mahomes, etcI often wonder what would happen if you had a team predicated on running the ball with not 1 but 2 primary ball carriers that could each take as many as 20+ carries and throw the ball as defenses pinch up to stop the bludgeoning the OL is dishing out on offense. I would think a light defense or a defense with a softer middle would be eaten alive.Defenses are getting smaller as they try to keep up with faster offenses and the league rules have taken a lot of the physicality over the middle out of the game.I’m not sure linebackers and safeties got the memo about the league’s evolution.
The Miami Dolphins had a terrible defense in the Mid to late 80s, couldn't stop the run to save their life and rarely could sack the QB, a bad combination.
They were run over week in and week out
This is valid. It's very possible that this might be the best time for Achane and Gibbs to enter the league.Remember when Devonta Smith came out and everyone called him an outlier? Now look at all the skinny receivers coming out this year. Might be forgetting someone but I think we got one RB over 220 and he might not even get drafted. Shorter QB's getting drafted higher, 1.1 in a few cases. Have heard several comments on how thin the DB group is this year. I just think the league has been evolving a little and without doing research seems like players are getting smaller, at least at the skill positions and secondary.
Not deluding myself into thinking Achane is going to be some kind of bell cow workhorse but it does make me put less stock in feeling the need to find similar sized successful historical comps.
Sproles was a bowling ball, and doesn’t belong in the same sentence as Achane. Completely different body types. 5’6”, 190Dunn, Best, CJ2K, Sproles...
can we add Dion Lewis to the list of small fantasy relevant RBs? Around longer than Best, but similar to Best looked amazing for one season in NE.... then he broke and was a non-factor for his time in TEN.
5'7" 193 combine, 4.62 40
40-time surprised me. Maybe more elusive than fast, where Achane might be more fast than elusive?
Whether it's Dunn, Lewis, or Sproles, as a guy that wanted this to be an option at 1.7 1QB, it just kind of feels like you need to hit a homerun to get a RB that's worthy of the pick.
I think I have Spears ahead of him, who is also small but cracks the Mendoza line. Not an option at 1.7, but if I was closer to the turn I think I might be leaning Kendre Miller. Achane -vs- Evans/Bigsby/Roschon is a debate I'm kind of glad I don't need to worry about.
He will, but he‘ll get the happy meal portion and not the full adult size.Will he sit at the adult table during team meals?
Speaking of under 200 pound guys that are SEC battle tested, why is Achane a bigger risk than James Cook was a year ago? Cook was 5-11 190. Achane is probably better built than he was, and he was a 2nd round pick.^^^^ Sproles isn't my comp, but he was previously mentioned in this thread. I think all sub-200 RBs that mattered at all for fantasy are worth noting when discussing Achane. Some are better comparisons than others.
I'm open to the idea that his size might be less of an issue in the new NFL. But usage, even on the right offense is going to cap his upside. Then you have the question of durabilty beyond that. To his credit, he's SEC battle tested.
Excellent post. I think the answer would be: Cook was over-drafted by the Bills and because of the inflated draft slot and the landing spot, Cook's entire outlook has gotten inflated. Achane is a far better prospect than James Cook.Speaking of under 200 pound guys that are SEC battle tested, why is Achane a bigger risk than James Cook was a year ago? Cook was 5-11 190. Achane is probably better built than he was, and he was a 2nd round pick.^^^^ Sproles isn't my comp, but he was previously mentioned in this thread. I think all sub-200 RBs that mattered at all for fantasy are worth noting when discussing Achane. Some are better comparisons than others.
I'm open to the idea that his size might be less of an issue in the new NFL. But usage, even on the right offense is going to cap his upside. Then you have the question of durabilty beyond that. To his credit, he's SEC battle tested.
Sproles isn't a fair comp, but he's not an unreasonable expectation if that makes sense. For example, I could absolutely see Achane in Denver as Payton's new passing game mismatch RB, especially as reports on Javonte Williams are sketchy at best, and Denver has 2 early 3rd round picks.
Agreed, I had Cook as a 4th round prospect, and was surprised he went in round 2. To his credit he looked pretty good when he played last year and held off a proven vet in Hines. Achane is a better prospect in my opinion, and one that could go as high as Cook did and will be no later than 70th overall or so. It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.Excellent post. I think the answer would be: Cook was over-drafted by the Bills and because of the inflated draft slot and the landing spot, Cook's entire outlook has gotten inflated. Achane is a far better prospect than James Cook.Speaking of under 200 pound guys that are SEC battle tested, why is Achane a bigger risk than James Cook was a year ago? Cook was 5-11 190. Achane is probably better built than he was, and he was a 2nd round pick.^^^^ Sproles isn't my comp, but he was previously mentioned in this thread. I think all sub-200 RBs that mattered at all for fantasy are worth noting when discussing Achane. Some are better comparisons than others.
I'm open to the idea that his size might be less of an issue in the new NFL. But usage, even on the right offense is going to cap his upside. Then you have the question of durabilty beyond that. To his credit, he's SEC battle tested.
Sproles isn't a fair comp, but he's not an unreasonable expectation if that makes sense. For example, I could absolutely see Achane in Denver as Payton's new passing game mismatch RB, especially as reports on Javonte Williams are sketchy at best, and Denver has 2 early 3rd round picks.
With his wheels, he could be RB2 off the board. Of course Gibbs is fast too but honestly, Achane is a better runner.Agreed, I had Cook as a 4th round prospect, and was surprised he went in round 2. To his credit he looked pretty good when he played last year and held off a proven vet in Hines . Achane is a better prospect in my opinion, and one that could go as high as Cook did and will be no later than 70th overall or so. It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
I actually would bet he goes third.It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
Funny, I have him #4 behind Charbs. The other "gem RB" is Kendre Miller... but again Draft Capital will help sort the RB3-9 rankings.I actually would bet he goes third.It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
We may not be talking about the same thing. Just to be sure I'm talking about the real NFL draft.Funny, I have him #4 behind Charbs. The other "gem RB" is Kendre Miller... but again Draft Capital will help sort the RB3-9 rankings.I actually would bet he goes third.It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
I have Achane 4th as well. After him its a bit of a crapshoot. Miller, McBride (who I think I like more than most), Spears, Bigsby are all in play. Also like Chase Brown as a deeper sleeper.Funny, I have him #4 behind Charbs. The other "gem RB" is Kendre Miller... but again Draft Capital will help sort the RB3-9 rankings.I actually would bet he goes third.It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
Valid point... I was making a Fantasy Draft RB4 grade. I see Charbs are more of a complete RB (size, power, speed, hands, vision, etc) than Achane in potential Fantasy value.We may not be talking about the same thing. Just to be sure I'm talking about the real NFL draft.Funny, I have him #4 behind Charbs. The other "gem RB" is Kendre Miller... but again Draft Capital will help sort the RB3-9 rankings.I actually would bet he goes third.It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
The real NFL covets speed more then us. I think a RB like Charb, as well as some other RB's, will need to line up with a team that needs a RB to be drafted overly high while Achane will have a wider market as a team that may not need a RB may just see value in Achane as a weapon.
These are reasons I feel stronger predicting Achane will be the third RB chosen in the real NFL draft more then I feel comfortable trying to predict who will be the third RB chosen in dynasty drafts. That could end up being Achane, but I think it's more likely someone else from the field.
Achane is an enigma for me. He is a better runner than Gibbs. If he weighed the same as Gibbs he'd be my rb2. Honestly if he was the same size as Bijan he might be my rb1.With his wheels, he could be RB2 off the board. Of course Gibbs is fast too but honestly, Achane is a better runner.Agreed, I had Cook as a 4th round prospect, and was surprised he went in round 2. To his credit he looked pretty good when he played last year and held off a proven vet in Hines . Achane is a better prospect in my opinion, and one that could go as high as Cook did and will be no later than 70th overall or so. It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.