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RB De’Von Achane, MIA (1 Viewer)

^^^^ Sproles isn't my comp, but he was previously mentioned in this thread. I think all sub-200 RBs that mattered at all for fantasy are worth noting when discussing Achane. Some are better comparisons than others.

I'm open to the idea that his size might be less of an issue in the new NFL. But usage, even on the right offense is going to cap his upside. Then you have the question of durabilty beyond that. To his credit, he's SEC battle tested.
Speaking of under 200 pound guys that are SEC battle tested, why is Achane a bigger risk than James Cook was a year ago? Cook was 5-11 190. Achane is probably better built than he was, and he was a 2nd round pick.

Sproles isn't a fair comp, but he's not an unreasonable expectation if that makes sense. For example, I could absolutely see Achane in Denver as Payton's new passing game mismatch RB, especially as reports on Javonte Williams are sketchy at best, and Denver has 2 early 3rd round picks.
Cook I believe was 199 at the combine. But 5-11 199 doesn't really seem any better than 5-9 188. And Achane is definitely a better looking prospect. Part of it was cook was overdrafted in a year where there was a big hole at rb3, and the bills were searching under every rock for a receiving RB (chasing McKissic and Edmonds, drafting Cook, trading for Hines.

But 188 is still scary. I don't think there's a hard threshold for weight at RB, but the curve starts to get real steep once you are under 200.
 
Agreed, I had Cook as a 4th round prospect, and was surprised he went in round 2. To his credit he looked pretty good when he played last year and held off a proven vet in Hines . Achane is a better prospect in my opinion, and one that could go as high as Cook did and will be no later than 70th overall or so. It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
With his wheels, he could be RB2 off the board. Of course Gibbs is fast too but honestly, Achane is a better runner.
Achane is an enigma for me. He is a better runner than Gibbs. If he weighed the same as Gibbs he'd be my rb2. Honestly if he was the same size as Bijan he might be my rb1.
He ran well between the tackles even when rammed up the middle over and over against teams like bama and LSU (stats weren't great against bama but he was grinding out tough yards on almost every carry).
But who is a success story at his size? I can only think of Warrick Dunn, and he was drafted almost 30 years ago.
Chris Johnson? He was 5'11" 191 with similar speed. You are right though, it''s a rare profile to hit.
 
Agreed, I had Cook as a 4th round prospect, and was surprised he went in round 2. To his credit he looked pretty good when he played last year and held off a proven vet in Hines . Achane is a better prospect in my opinion, and one that could go as high as Cook did and will be no later than 70th overall or so. It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
With his wheels, he could be RB2 off the board. Of course Gibbs is fast too but honestly, Achane is a better runner.
Achane is an enigma for me. He is a better runner than Gibbs. If he weighed the same as Gibbs he'd be my rb2. Honestly if he was the same size as Bijan he might be my rb1.
He ran well between the tackles even when rammed up the middle over and over against teams like bama and LSU (stats weren't great against bama but he was grinding out tough yards on almost every carry).
But who is a success story at his size? I can only think of Warrick Dunn, and he was drafted almost 30 years ago.
Chris Johnson? He was 5'11" 191 with similar speed. You are right though, it''s a rare profile to hit.
Players at certain positions seem to be getting smaller for whatever reason. Maybe it's a trend?
 
Agreed, I had Cook as a 4th round prospect, and was surprised he went in round 2. To his credit he looked pretty good when he played last year and held off a proven vet in Hines . Achane is a better prospect in my opinion, and one that could go as high as Cook did and will be no later than 70th overall or so. It wouldn't blow my mind if he was the 3rd RB off the board depending on who is drafting.
With his wheels, he could be RB2 off the board. Of course Gibbs is fast too but honestly, Achane is a better runner.
Achane is an enigma for me. He is a better runner than Gibbs. If he weighed the same as Gibbs he'd be my rb2. Honestly if he was the same size as Bijan he might be my rb1.
He ran well between the tackles even when rammed up the middle over and over against teams like bama and LSU (stats weren't great against bama but he was grinding out tough yards on almost every carry).
But who is a success story at his size? I can only think of Warrick Dunn, and he was drafted almost 30 years ago.
Chris Johnson? He was 5'11" 191 with similar speed. You are right though, it''s a rare profile to hit.
Players at certain positions seem to be getting smaller for whatever reason. Maybe it's a trend?
This NFL draft class is certainly going to test that theory
 
Credit to @SoBeDad for posting this information in the Gibbs thread.

Dolphins check out a top running back, linked to another. And more on tight end situation

Excerpt:

We hear the Dolphins also like Texas A&M running back Devon Achane and have spent considerable time with him in the past two weeks, according to an Aggies source.

At the NFL Combine, Achane ran a blazing 4.32 in the 40-yard dash.

Achane, 5-9 and 188 pounds, averaged 7.0 yards per carry on 130 rushing attempts in 2021 and 5.6 on 196 carries last season. As a receiver, he has caught 65 passes for 554 yards in three seasons.

Gibbs, who is projected to go ahead of Achane in most mock drafts, averaged 5.2 yards on 143 carries at Georgia Tech in 2021 and 6.1 yards per carry on 151 rushes at Alabama last season. As a receiver, he has 103 receptions for 1,212 yards through three seasons (two with Georgia Tech, one with Alabama).

I found this interesting in comparing the two: Achane averaged more yards after contact, per carry, than Gibbs (3.6 to 3.3) last season and had more runs of 15 yards or more last season (36 to 23). Pro Football Focus also gave Achane a higher “elusive rate” than Gibbs.

NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein said Achane “can be a complementary slasher with the ability to mismatch coverage out of the backfield or from the slot. However, he’s simply too talented and explosive as a runner to be confined to gadget duty.”

In a mock draft in which they alternate making picks, ESPN’s Todd McShay drafted Gibbs 48th and Mel Kiper Jr. picked Achane 85th. The Dolphins have picks at 51 and 84.

“My comp for Achane? Darren Sproles,” Kiper said of the former three-time Pro Bowler. “That’s because Achane has a ton of value as a returner and in the pass game. He needs to hit his ceiling to be as productive as Sproles, of course, but he is my third-ranked back in this class.”
 

Dolphins selected Texas A&M RB Devon Achane with the No. 84 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

One of the smaller members of one of the smallest skill classes in recent memory, Achane (5’8/188) compensates with lethal speed. A sprinter in both high school and the SEC, Achane confirmed his rarefied wheels with a 4.32 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine. It’s his signature trait, and one he is going to have to rely on in the NFL because of his lack of size and strength. Not that Achane is without toughness. He is fearless between the tackles, where his quicks allow him to beat would-be tacklers to the spot. In the words of NFL.com’s Lance Zeirlein, Achane “finds his own pathways if it’s not blocked for him.” Of course, as our own Eric Froton put it, Achane has to “go around the guy,” not through him. That is often a recipe for failure at the NFL level. As you would guess from his size, Achane is also a plus pass catcher for a running back, and could make an impact out of the slot. He should slot in as Miami's top pass-catching back. In 2022, Dolphins running backs combined for 104 targets.
Apr 28, 2023, 10:19 PM ET
 

Dolphins selected Texas A&M RB Devon Achane with the No. 84 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

One of the smaller members of one of the smallest skill classes in recent memory, Achane (5’8/188) compensates with lethal speed. A sprinter in both high school and the SEC, Achane confirmed his rarefied wheels with a 4.32 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine. It’s his signature trait, and one he is going to have to rely on in the NFL because of his lack of size and strength. Not that Achane is without toughness. He is fearless between the tackles, where his quicks allow him to beat would-be tacklers to the spot. In the words of NFL.com’s Lance Zeirlein, Achane “finds his own pathways if it’s not blocked for him.” Of course, as our own Eric Froton put it, Achane has to “go around the guy,” not through him. That is often a recipe for failure at the NFL level. As you would guess from his size, Achane is also a plus pass catcher for a running back, and could make an impact out of the slot. He should slot in as Miami's top pass-catching back. In 2022, Dolphins running backs combined for 104 targets.
Apr 28, 2023, 10:19 PM ET
Of all the landing spots, this one might be the most FF friendly for him, despite being a RBBC from hell.
 
I think he's going to be between Sproles and Dunn at the next level. He's not an EXCELLENT pass catcher as you would like. Watch tape vs Alabama. Obviously can't run between the tackles compared to Dunn/Chris Johnson so not sure what they're going to do with him.
 
Devon Achane - 4.32, 188lbs

Chris Johnson - 4.24, 195lbs

For what it's worth, Achane is shorter too, putting his BMI at 28.2 vs 27.2 for CJ2K.
I've been getting excited myself.
He reminds me of Warrick Dunn, you can look up his numbers and stats but they are built similar and run similar, I don' think Achane is a Chris Johnson clone but I get the comparison in terms of raw speed, still Johnson was faster or quicker getting up to top speed. I never saw anyone go from 1st to 5th gear much faster than Johnson.

If Achane is in the spectrum of a Warrick Dunn then he has a bright future in the NFL. I like RBs that can do multiple things, I like his ability to catch passes.
I would like for him to stay on he board until Miami picks at #84 but that's likely wishful thinking. Miami also has #51 they can use but that seems a little early from projections plus there are some nice impact players in the 2nd Rd already. Not at RB necessarily but other positions Miami should be looking at like OL unfortunately.
Very excited he’s wearing aqua and orange.
 
I think this landing spot means he’ll have minimal fantasy value - a better NFL player than fantasy player. Just too many mouths in Miami for consistent volume.
 
Good news if you own Mostert and Wilson IMO
Those guys typically have a hard time finishing seasons.
I definitely think Achane will see action and even 8-10-12 touches could mean big returns in this offense.
Top 20 potential
Mostert 31 and Wilson is hurt a lot, Achane will get plenty of work plus Coach MM was doing cartwheels and has a game plan to use him.
 
Jeff Hands of Stone Wilson just slipped to 3rd on the depth chart and Achane might see more action than a 3rd WR on this team with his ability to catch passes, something he excelled at in college.

I said wishful thinking Miami could even get him at 84 if you scroll up, Achane was No 2 for me behind Robinson, what do you think I’m going to post, unbiased journalism? 😂
 
Jeff Hands of Stone Wilson just slipped to 3rd on the depth chart and Achane might see more action than a 3rd WR on this team with his ability to catch passes, something he excelled at in college.

I said wishful thinking Miami could even get him at 84 if you scroll up, Achane was No 2 for me behind Robinson, what do you think I’m going to post, unbiased journalism?

>>PFF: Miami selects Texas A&M RB Devon Achane 84th overall 93.7 rushing grade since 2021 (1st among SEC RBs)<<

In the LSU game at season's end in 2022 after missing a few games due to a foot injury, he had 38 carries for 218 yards. Tough dude. He also had 25 carries vs Ole Miss, 138 yards. He made some good plays versus our Canes, making people miss in open space. He has good vision based on what I saw. In the LSU game, he was even succesful on a couple of blocks on passing plays, which may be his biggest weakness. He's not gonna break many tackles or push the pile but all he needs is a small opening to make a chunk play, good balance when he does get hit. His acceleration to top speed is great. I'm excited and could see him get 10 to 12 touches, KRs included, right out of the gate.

Video including vs Miami: https://youtu.be/n1_ImKv-Qf0
 
Jeff Hands of Stone Wilson just slipped to 3rd on the depth chart and Achane might see more action than a 3rd WR on this team with his ability to catch passes, something he excelled at in college.

I said wishful thinking Miami could even get him at 84 if you scroll up, Achane was No 2 for me behind Robinson, what do you think I’m going to post, unbiased journalism?

>>PFF: Miami selects Texas A&M RB Devon Achane 84th overall 93.7 rushing grade since 2021 (1st among SEC RBs)<<

In the LSU game at season's end in 2022 after missing a few games due to a foot injury, he had 38 carries for 218 yards. Tough dude. He also had 25 carries vs Ole Miss, 138 yards. He made some good plays versus our Canes, making people miss in open space. He has good vision based on what I saw. In the LSU game, he was even succesful on a couple of blocks on passing plays, which may be his biggest weakness. He's not gonna break many tackles or push the pile but all he needs is a small opening to make a chunk play, good balance when he does get hit. His acceleration to top speed is great. I'm excited and could see him get 10 to 12 touches, KRs included, right out of the gate.

Video including vs Miami: https://youtu.be/n1_ImKv-Qf0
He certainly makes their scary offense even more daunting. I’m not a big Tua fan but he’s obviously good enough to move this offense with all those weapons. Three WRs (I’ll count Archane as a WR because I’m talking passing game) that can take it to the house any time they touch it. Tua needs to stay healthy.
When on paper the Patriots are the worst team in the division, you known the division is stacked. Should be a fun one.
 
I think he's going to be between Sproles and Dunn at the next level. He's not an EXCELLENT pass catcher as you would like. Watch tape vs Alabama. Obviously can't run between the tackles compared to Dunn/Chris Johnson so not sure what they're going to do with him.

That's funny. Watching him against bama kind of got me over my hesitation against him as a runner. He was grinding out tough yards between the tackles against future pros the whole day. He did have some big losses where he got hit right at the handoff. Maybe a guy like Bijan gets out of that. But then even Bijan only had 2.7ypc (vs 3.9 for Achane) getting rammed up the middle against bama last year.

Obviously Bijan is a whole nother level prospect. Just pointing out why I was impressed with Achane's running. He's one of the better RBs between the tackles in this class despite his size. Does he get the chance form an NFL team to show that? Tbd.
 
I think he's going to be between Sproles and Dunn at the next level. He's not an EXCELLENT pass catcher as you would like. Watch tape vs Alabama. Obviously can't run between the tackles compared to Dunn/Chris Johnson so not sure what they're going to do with him.

That's funny. Watching him against bama kind of got me over my hesitation against him as a runner. He was grinding out tough yards between the tackles against future pros the whole day. He did have some big losses where he got hit right at the handoff. Maybe a guy like Bijan gets out of that. But then even Bijan only had 2.7ypc (vs 3.9 for Achane) getting rammed up the middle against bama last year.

Obviously Bijan is a whole nother level prospect. Just pointing out why I was impressed with Achane's running. He's one of the better RBs between the tackles in this class despite his size. Does he get the chance form an NFL team to show that? Tbd.
I haven't know many RBs his size being fantasy relevant. A few yes, but not many.
 
Good news if you own Mostert and Wilson IMO
Kind of a three headed monster, so I don’t see it as good news at all. Just more division of labor.
I was much more worried about them taking a 3 down back like Gibbs or Charbonnet
I'm not convinced Gibbs is a 3 down back.
Lions look pretty stupid taking him that early if they don't plan on using him for 3 downs....
 
Good news if you own Mostert and Wilson IMO
Kind of a three headed monster, so I don’t see it as good news at all. Just more division of labor.
I was much more worried about them taking a 3 down back like Gibbs or Charbonnet
I'm not convinced Gibbs is a 3 down back.
Lions look pretty stupid taking him that early if they don't plan on using him for 3 downs....
I would say they could use him out of the slot, but that’s where ARSB lives.

Someone suggested Gibbs might be their Deebo, which would make a lot of sense as a hybrid player - which would technically make him a 3-down back but not in the traditional sense.

One thing’s for sure, that offense is going to be a nightmare to defend.
 
Good news if you own Mostert and Wilson IMO
Kind of a three headed monster, so I don’t see it as good news at all. Just more division of labor.
I was much more worried about them taking a 3 down back like Gibbs or Charbonnet
I'm not convinced Gibbs is a 3 down back.
Lions look pretty stupid taking him that early if they don't plan on using him for 3 downs....
I think they have a specific plan for Gibbs and it isn't as a 3 down back.
 
Good news if you own Mostert and Wilson IMO
Kind of a three headed monster, so I don’t see it as good news at all. Just more division of labor.
I was much more worried about them taking a 3 down back like Gibbs or Charbonnet
I'm not convinced Gibbs is a 3 down back.
Lions look pretty stupid taking him that early if they don't plan on using him for 3 downs....
I think they have a specific plan for Gibbs and it isn't as a 3 down back.
Not in a traditional sense, no. But he might be on the field as much as a 3-down back.
 
Removing size from the equation, how much more electric is Gibbs than Achane? From what I have seen and heard, Achane is a very effective inside runner and Gibbs is not at all. I'm not worried about Gibbs size but his lack of an inside running game means he will need a ridiculous number of receptions to justify his current FF value, a lot of mouths to feed in Detroit. Is it possible for Achene's ability to run inside offset being an inferior receiver to Gibbs?
 
Removing size from the equation, how much more electric is Gibbs than Achane? From what I have seen and heard, Achane is a very effective inside runner and Gibbs is not at all. I'm not worried about Gibbs size but his lack of an inside running game means he will need a ridiculous number of receptions to justify his current FF value, a lot of mouths to feed in Detroit. Is it possible for Achene's ability to run inside offset being an inferior receiver to Gibbs?
The biggest difference (other than size) is receiving. Achane is a quality receiver out of the backfield. Gibbs is the best pass catching back since CMC.
 
Good news if you own Mostert and Wilson IMO
Kind of a three headed monster, so I don’t see it as good news at all. Just more division of labor.
I was much more worried about them taking a 3 down back like Gibbs or Charbonnet
I'm not convinced Gibbs is a 3 down back.
Lions look pretty stupid taking him that early if they don't plan on using him for 3 downs....
Fify 🤦
 
Removing size from the equation, how much more electric is Gibbs than Achane? From what I have seen and heard, Achane is a very effective inside runner and Gibbs is not at all. I'm not worried about Gibbs size but his lack of an inside running game means he will need a ridiculous number of receptions to justify his current FF value, a lot of mouths to feed in Detroit. Is it possible for Achene's ability to run inside offset being an inferior receiver to Gibbs?
The biggest difference (other than size) is receiving. Achane is a quality receiver out of the backfield. Gibbs is the best pass catching back since CMC.
Right. Gibbs is the better receiver. Achane is the better runner. But if I'm taking a sub 200 lb RB, I want them being elite receivers more than really good runners because they are a lot more likely to get the chance to use that skill in the NFL at that size.
That said I think they should have been a lot closer in real football value.
 
Good news if you own Mostert and Wilson IMO
Kind of a three headed monster, so I don’t see it as good news at all. Just more division of labor.
I was much more worried about them taking a 3 down back like Gibbs or Charbonnet
I'm not convinced Gibbs is a 3 down back.
Lions look pretty stupid taking him that early if they don't plan on using him for 3 downs....
I think they have a specific plan for Gibbs and it isn't as a 3 down back.
Not in a traditional sense, no. But he might be on the field as much as a 3-down back.
I am predicting basically the usage they had with Swift before the injuries piled up. 55-60% snaps, and try to save his body from the grinding carries.
Which makes me wonder why they gave Monty the contract they did. Seems like a lot for a back that will do very little as a receiver. And Monty is a good receiver for a grinder. But they paid for something they probably aren't going to use.
 
Removing size from the equation, how much more electric is Gibbs than Achane? From what I have seen and heard, Achane is a very effective inside runner and Gibbs is not at all. I'm not worried about Gibbs size but his lack of an inside running game means he will need a ridiculous number of receptions to justify his current FF value, a lot of mouths to feed in Detroit. Is it possible for Achene's ability to run inside offset being an inferior receiver to Gibbs?
The biggest difference (other than size) is receiving. Achane is a quality receiver out of the backfield. Gibbs is the best pass catching back since CMC.
Right. Gibbs is the better receiver. Achane is the better runner. But if I'm taking a sub 200 lb RB, I want them being elite receivers more than really good runners because they are a lot more likely to get the chance to use that skill in the NFL at that size.
That said I think they should have been a lot closer in real football value.
Gibbs is a better receiver like Ja'Marr Chase is a better receiver than Elijah Moore. Achane and Gibbs are in a different class.
 
I am predicting basically the usage they had with Swift before the injuries piled up. 55-60% snaps, and try to save his body from the grinding carries.
Which makes me wonder why they gave Monty the contract they did. Seems like a lot for a back that will do very little as a receiver. And Monty is a good receiver for a grinder. But they paid for something they probably aren't going to use.
I can’t imagine they won’t throw to Monty ever.

As we’ve seen with other teams in the past, that ends up being a predictable offense when RBs are specialists as pure runners or receivers.

I expect the Lions to use both Gibbs & Monty to run and catch. As I said previously, I’m betting they’re on the field together quite a bit, either with both in the backfield or Gibbs split out, or used in the slot.

I don’t believe they drafted Gibbs without a plan to use him a lot. Nor do I believe they’ll ignore Monty.

It’ll be interesting to watch.
 
Removing size from the equation, how much more electric is Gibbs than Achane? From what I have seen and heard, Achane is a very effective inside runner and Gibbs is not at all. I'm not worried about Gibbs size but his lack of an inside running game means he will need a ridiculous number of receptions to justify his current FF value, a lot of mouths to feed in Detroit. Is it possible for Achene's ability to run inside offset being an inferior receiver to Gibbs?
The biggest difference (other than size) is receiving. Achane is a quality receiver out of the backfield. Gibbs is the best pass catching back since CMC.
Right. Gibbs is the better receiver. Achane is the better runner. But if I'm taking a sub 200 lb RB, I want them being elite receivers more than really good runners because they are a lot more likely to get the chance to use that skill in the NFL at that size.
That said I think they should have been a lot closer in real football value.
Gibbs is a better receiver like Ja'Marr Chase is a better receiver than Elijah Moore. Achane and Gibbs are in a different class.
I don't quantitatively see how Gibbs is the jamarr Chase of receiving backs. I agree they are in a different class. And I think the gap in ability to run between the tackles is similar.
 
Removing size from the equation, how much more electric is Gibbs than Achane? From what I have seen and heard, Achane is a very effective inside runner and Gibbs is not at all. I'm not worried about Gibbs size but his lack of an inside running game means he will need a ridiculous number of receptions to justify his current FF value, a lot of mouths to feed in Detroit. Is it possible for Achene's ability to run inside offset being an inferior receiver to Gibbs?
The biggest difference (other than size) is receiving. Achane is a quality receiver out of the backfield. Gibbs is the best pass catching back since CMC.
Right. Gibbs is the better receiver. Achane is the better runner. But if I'm taking a sub 200 lb RB, I want them being elite receivers more than really good runners because they are a lot more likely to get the chance to use that skill in the NFL at that size.
That said I think they should have been a lot closer in real football value.
Gibbs is a better receiver like Ja'Marr Chase is a better receiver than Elijah Moore. Achane and Gibbs are in a different class.
I don't quantitatively see how Gibbs is the jamarr Chase of receiving backs. I agree they are in a different class. And I think the gap in ability to run between the tackles is similar.
Top 5 players in this draft class for yard per route run are 4 WRs and Gibbs. Bijan didn’t even make the top 10 of this list. You name an efficiency receiving metric and Gibbs is top 3 for like the last 15 years. Yard per route, YAC per catch, etc.
 
I think he's going to be between Sproles and Dunn at the next level. He's not an EXCELLENT pass catcher as you would like. Watch tape vs Alabama. Obviously can't run between the tackles compared to Dunn/Chris Johnson so not sure what they're going to do with him.

That's funny. Watching him against bama kind of got me over my hesitation against him as a runner. He was grinding out tough yards between the tackles against future pros the whole day. He did have some big losses where he got hit right at the handoff. Maybe a guy like Bijan gets out of that. But then even Bijan only had 2.7ypc (vs 3.9 for Achane) getting rammed up the middle against bama last year.

Obviously Bijan is a whole nother level prospect. Just pointing out why I was impressed with Achane's running. He's one of the better RBs between the tackles in this class despite his size. Does he get the chance form an NFL team to show that? Tbd.
He's fine running between the tackles, don't let the size fool you.
 
Wasn’t a fan of Achanes physical profile and wasn’t particularly interested in him, but given the plethora of bad landing spots for other RBs, I think he might be shooting right up my board. Top 3 possible landing spot for him I’d say, given the HC/OC. They will be dying to get him involved and given the other threats on the field, I think he could put up very good numbers with 10-15 touches per game
 
I am predicting basically the usage they had with Swift before the injuries piled up. 55-60% snaps, and try to save his body from the grinding carries.
Which makes me wonder why they gave Monty the contract they did. Seems like a lot for a back that will do very little as a receiver. And Monty is a good receiver for a grinder. But they paid for something they probably aren't going to use.
I can’t imagine they won’t throw to Monty ever.

As we’ve seen with other teams in the past, that ends up being a predictable offense when RBs are specialists as pure runners or receivers.

I expect the Lions to use both Gibbs & Monty to run and catch. As I said previously, I’m betting they’re on the field together quite a bit, either with both in the backfield or Gibbs split out, or used in the slot.

I don’t believe they drafted Gibbs without a plan to use him a lot. Nor do I believe they’ll ignore Monty.

It’ll be interesting to watch.
The fact that they drafted Gibbs at 12 and would have drafted him at 6 says it all. They are going to utilize Gibbs extensively on offense. They will use him the way they wanted to use Swift but never could.
 
I am predicting basically the usage they had with Swift before the injuries piled up. 55-60% snaps, and try to save his body from the grinding carries.
Which makes me wonder why they gave Monty the contract they did. Seems like a lot for a back that will do very little as a receiver. And Monty is a good receiver for a grinder. But they paid for something they probably aren't going to use.
I can’t imagine they won’t throw to Monty ever.

As we’ve seen with other teams in the past, that ends up being a predictable offense when RBs are specialists as pure runners or receivers.

I expect the Lions to use both Gibbs & Monty to run and catch. As I said previously, I’m betting they’re on the field together quite a bit, either with both in the backfield or Gibbs split out, or used in the slot.

I don’t believe they drafted Gibbs without a plan to use him a lot. Nor do I believe they’ll ignore Monty.

It’ll be interesting to watch.
The fact that they drafted Gibbs at 12 and would have drafted him at 6 says it all. They are going to utilize Gibbs extensively on offense. They will use him the way they wanted to use Swift but never could.
The fact they took him at 12 and would have taken him at 6 says something. It says the lions front office e is probably out of their depth imo.
I think he's the clear 1.02 for 1QB, but I think anyone expecting more usage than 2021 Swift will be disappointed. We have to follow the draft capital. But the usage plan has been laid out for us already imo.
 
I don't know what data you are looking at, but pff has Gibbs as 19th among running backs for yards per route run. Mccintosh and Hull are a couple of the guys above him. Are you taking numbers from a different season?

Gibbs ADOT last year was 1.3. I am not seeing the jamarr Chase of receiving backs here.

Edit- meant to quote @Ilov80s
 
I don't know what data you are looking at, but pff has Gibbs as 19th among running backs for yards per route run. Mccintosh and Hull are a couple of the guys above him. Are you taking numbers from a different season?

Gibbs ADOT last year was 1.3. I am not seeing the jamarr Chase of receiving backs here.

Edit- meant to quote @Ilov80s
Scott Barret, formerly of PFF, tweeted it. He is only looking at Power 5 guys. I am sure there are guys playing at Candyland College who are doing amazing thing against 5'10" 190 pound LBs.
 
I don't know what data you are looking at, but pff has Gibbs as 19th among running backs for yards per route run. Mccintosh and Hull are a couple of the guys above him. Are you taking numbers from a different season?

Gibbs ADOT last year was 1.3. I am not seeing the jamarr Chase of receiving backs here.

Edit- meant to quote @Ilov80s
Scott Barret, formerly of PFF, tweeted it. He is only looking at Power 5 guys. I am sure there are guys playing at Candyland College who are doing amazing thing against 5'10" 190 pound LBs.
His former site has different numbers. Hull and Mccintosh are p5 and above Gibbs for 22. But all 3 are above Achane (bringing it back to the topic at hand 😁)
 
I don't know what data you are looking at, but pff has Gibbs as 19th among running backs for yards per route run. Mccintosh and Hull are a couple of the guys above him. Are you taking numbers from a different season?

Gibbs ADOT last year was 1.3. I am not seeing the jamarr Chase of receiving backs here.

Edit- meant to quote @Ilov80s
Scott Barret, formerly of PFF, tweeted it. He is only looking at Power 5 guys. I am sure there are guys playing at Candyland College who are doing amazing thing against 5'10" 190 pound LBs.
His former site has different numbers. Hull and Mccintosh are p5 and above Gibbs for 22. But all 3 are above Achane (bringing it back to the topic at hand 😁)
Kind of interesting Achane averaged 11 yards per catch in 2021 and that dropped to 5 in 2022. I wonder what happened there? I guess since the sample is so small, it could just be 1 or 2 long plays in 2021 skewed the average.
 
Quit talking about Gibbs
That's been a thing here and some other places. For some reason people keep trying to rip on Gibbs to prop up Achane. Don't get it and some of it is silly. I see references ike "both sub 200 pound RB's" which totally ignores the difference between Gibbs and Achance is the same as like Gibbs to Bigsby.
 
Quit talking about Gibbs
That's been a thing here and some other places. For some reason people keep trying to rip on Gibbs to prop up Achane. Don't get it and some of it is silly. I see references ike "both sub 200 pound RB's" which totally ignores the difference between Gibbs and Achance is the same as like Gibbs to Bigsby.
Who's been ripping on Gibbs? I haven't seen any of what you're talking about in this thread. Someone asked about the difference between their explosiveness and I commented I was surprised they went so far apart, and some discussion shot off from there. It got a bit of topic, sure.
 

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