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RB De’Von Achane, MIA (3 Viewers)

LionOfGosforth said:
Biggest fear would be he's active, so everyone puts him in their lineup, then he re-aggravates the ankle and Wilson has to come in.
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It is true, that is the nature of these things. One tweak and he could be done. But he could also be fine with it taped up.

As for Wilson I said this in the other thread - I expect he gets a good portion of the heavy lifting today, similar to what Mostert did. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson gets 15-17 carries while Achane gets 8 but adds 5-6 targets again. The key is can Achane make it happen with a sore ankle.

The good thing is he seems to be on the right side of it with the rumblings sounding positive yesterday.
 
Miro Z said:
In those circumstances, I think you would:

* Start a pretty good back instead of Achane
* Start Achane over a pretty weak back
* The dilemma would be whether to go with Achane over an OK back... for example, Henry or Zeus
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I don't think your options are the only thing affecting your decision. I think more importantly it's your matchup. Assuming Achane is active for the game........if you are a big underdog and need ceiling he is in for sure. If you are a big favorite and need floor then it goes to the matchups as and if you have a solid floor guy then I put him in. If it's a toss up of a game then I go to your chart above (although I would have Henry in the "pretty good back category")
 
Smack Tripper said:
barackdhouse said:
If Achane plays, I'm looking at Jeff Wilson vs Gus Edwards. Will be puking in my mouth regardless.
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Take the bus vs the panthers I think. If yin can’t play him there then why is he on your team
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I'm going to have a hard time not starting Wilson tonight but I don't necessarily feel so bad about Gus. The puke feeling would be to decide to go with Gus and then Jeff Wilson has a solid game tonight. If Achane is out it's a no-brainer IMO.
 
Loipz said:
kyoun1e said:
RaidersAreOne said:
If he is active I am suiting him up. If he is not would one put in Jeff Wilson or Brian Robinson vs. Giants?

I am leaning WIlson.
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Have the same thoughts on Wilson vs. J. Ford. Not sure.
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Ford seems close to a must start this week imo.
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I'm leaning that way.

Think Ford is going to get the touches even if the CLE offense is clunky.

I have no idea who will get the ball tonight for Miami. Would it shock anyone to see J. Wright come out of nowhere and get some roll and blow up Wilson and Achane owners?
 
My RB 2 and RB 3 spots come down to Achane, Brian Robinson Jr., and JK Dobbins.
If Achane is active and there's no report(s) that he will be limited, pretty sure I'm going to start him.
 
travdogg said:
WaltonGoggins said:
no one this small and light has ever lasted with a large workload at RB so in the leagues where I drafted Achane just made sure to get Wright since it's not IF it's when Achane gets dinged up.
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Warrick Dunn had over 3000 career touches, and he was smaller than Achane.
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Their measureables are the same. Either way that's one RB. We can at least all agree Achane hasn't been injury free in his short career.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
travdogg said:
WaltonGoggins said:
no one this small and light has ever lasted with a large workload at RB so in the leagues where I drafted Achane just made sure to get Wright since it's not IF it's when Achane gets dinged up.
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Warrick Dunn had over 3000 career touches, and he was smaller than Achane.
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I made a comparison between Dunn and Achane last year when Achance was drafted and deemed light or small to play in the NFL
Dunn had B2B seasons with over 280 carries after he hit 30 which is insane.
He played until he was 33, was with the Bucs but went to Atlanta the off season prior to Gruden and the Bucs winning the Super Bowl

One more tidbit, he's a 1% owner of the Falcons, he did it the year after he retired, bought a piece of them for $9M and now it's worth over $50M
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Yes but that's one player which I think drives home the point even further. Dunn was a freak of nature while Achane only played in 11 games last year and already banged up isn't going to squash the small light weight backs don't make it argument. FYI I do have Achane in some of my leagues just saying you have to be prepared he will miss 4-5 games.
 
Gally said:
If you are a big favorite and need floor then it goes to the matchups as and if you have a solid floor guy then I put him in.
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I suppose you could take this approach. I'm a start your studs guy though and Achane is a stud. If he plays in a game he'll be in my lineup. If he takes 1 carry and gets hurt, thems the breaks. I'm not benching a guy who can take it to the house any second where they scheme him to get the ball. It's a pretty easy call for me (guys I could start over him include Dobbs, Eckler, Likely, Ferguson)
 
cockroach said:
Gally said:
If you are a big favorite and need floor then it goes to the matchups as and if you have a solid floor guy then I put him in.
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I suppose you could take this approach. I'm a start your studs guy though and Achane is a stud. If he plays in a game he'll be in my lineup. If he takes 1 carry and gets hurt, thems the breaks. I'm not benching a guy who can take it to the house any second where they scheme him to get the ball. It's a pretty easy call for me (guys I could start over him include Dobbs, Eckler, Likely, Ferguson)
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This 'guy who can take it to the house any second' thing I've never understood

Almost all NFL rbs and wrs can take it to the house any second

I'm an owner but he had a 3 game stretch where the Dolphins offense was on a whole off the charts. Once people figured out how to stop him and the Phins the rest of the season was pretty pedestrian
 
kface said:
This 'guy who can take it to the house any second' thing I've never understood
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I'm not gonna be the guy to explain it to you. But clearly every RB can't do it as JK Dobbins got caught from behind w a clear path a couple times last week. That won't happen w the ATrain.
 
cockroach said:
kface said:
This 'guy who can take it to the house any second' thing I've never understood
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I'm not gonna be the guy to explain it to you. But clearly every RB can't do it as JK Dobbins got caught from behind w a clear path a couple times last week. That won't happen w the ATrain.
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Fair but Dobbins is coming off some horrendous injuries...Mixon is probably going to get caught too. But most guys aren't going to get caught very much. My apologies for not being more specific

But most guys are going to score and most starting rbs have schemes oriented towards them.

And again Achane had very pedestrian stats for 12 straight weeks
 
Big Nate said:
TwinTurbo said:
Big Nate said:
Achane's rookie season was similar to Kamara's in that he busted out and looked great doing so. Both RBs are elite talents that bring something special to the table that others don't. Kamara's contact balance and shiftiness is uncanny. Achane's vision and open field running is some of the best in the league. He is very slippery and runs well in traffic for his size. He is a great pass catcher which is big for NFL RBs these days. They used Achane in all sorts of motion/runs/tosses/inside pitches etc. They used him a lot in the red zone - I believe he had 6 TDs from the red zone. That also means he hit 5 home run TDs. He can score from anywhere. 3 rushing TDs were against BUF which is awesome being a Fins fan! :flex:

Achane is in a perfect offense for him, he is an elite talent AND he is getting targets. The targets are great to boost his PPG and getting him in space.

I wouldn't be surprised if his receiving TDs go up this year. He will be getting more than 40 targets this year. Right now he looks to be the 3rd option in the passing game - they are already using him out wide this pre-season. It is happening.

I expect him to improve on his rookie season. Miami is already working on getting him more involved.

People are pointing out injuries but I ask, "how many RBs play a true full season?" Yes Achane could get injured but so will every other RB. When he was in college he was playing football but also sprinting. He has a full offseason now to condition himself for football and prepare his body for football.

If you are worried about injuries are you also avoiding CMC, Hall, Taylor, Gibbs, Etienne, Barkley, Kyren, Walker, Henry and the list goes on. Everyone has been injured. Each of those RBs could get injured again and likely will.

So, for me, the only thing that gives me pause is his ADP in some drafts/leagues. As for talent - he's a top 5 RB IMO as he can do it all. We do know this will be a timeshare but with 8-10 carries and 5 targets a game he can produce RB1 season and be a weekly RB1. There were a few times when Waddle got dinged up that they moved Achane into Waddles spot. Nice to know they had confidence in the rookie.

One more offseason getting ready for the NFL will do wonders for Achane. As a Fins fan I'm excited to see what he can do.
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The main difference between Archane and Kamara is about 35 lbs. I love both of these guys but the reality is RBs that only weigh 180 lbs carry a greater injury risk. It's simple physics. And he looks smaller than his listed weight. Again I love what he brings and I am targeting him in some leagues.
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Why exaggerate the weight? It isn't 35lbs. You don't need to change numbers to make the point. I don't disagree that lighter backs have a bit more risk but him and Kamara were the same size coming out of college. I already spoke about his weight and that he was keeping it lower for sprinting in college. Give him a season to mature and fill out. He weighed in at 192 once he got to Miami. Here are his words from the Miami Herald

Achane said he measured 192 pounds Friday morning, which is the heaviest he has been, and the full commitment to football has allowed him to get bigger. “I always knew that I could gain weight,” he said. “I just didn't have the full offseason to gain weight because obviously I was doing track. May 12, 2023
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Moreover Kamara was 185lbs in college. These boys fill out as they mature.

Like I said, any back you draft is an injury risk. Just take the good ones. I will say Achane is a good one.
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Well here we are, didn't even make it to week 2 and he is dinged up. Yes he is a good one, possibly great, but the injury risk is simply higher given his size. I hope he plays tonight. Also the 35lbs was not an exaggeration. Teams play games with listed height and weight all the time. The eye test puts him at about 180 lbs. And Kamara is a legit 215 and was that weight in college at Tennessee as well. He was over 195 in high school in GA. Maybe Achane is 190 in pads after drinking a gallon of water. I would bet a large amount on the under. If he is 192 then Deuce Vaughn is 6ft tall.
 
cockroach said:
Gally said:
If you are a big favorite and need floor then it goes to the matchups as and if you have a solid floor guy then I put him in.
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I suppose you could take this approach. I'm a start your studs guy though and Achane is a stud. If he plays in a game he'll be in my lineup. If he takes 1 carry and gets hurt, thems the breaks. I'm not benching a guy who can take it to the house any second where they scheme him to get the ball. It's a pretty easy call for me (guys I could start over him include Dobbs, Eckler, Likely, Ferguson)
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That goes to the overall roster construction part of the equation. I agree, I want Achane type players for sure and most of the time they will be in the lineup. However, in situations where the player is limited in some way (ankle injury to a speedster for example) and now that explosiveness takes a hit. So now more info goes into the decision making process.
 
Ankles are tricky. If he plays, I would worry about him tweaking it. However, Achane can do a lot with limited touches, so there is that.
 
@JetPackGalileo
The real beauty of De'Von Achane's game is the technique with which he uses his elite speed.

Big plays are set up by big brains.

Does a great job of bringing the outside defender inside before bouncing back out.
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kface said:
cockroach said:
Gally said:
If you are a big favorite and need floor then it goes to the matchups as and if you have a solid floor guy then I put him in.
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I suppose you could take this approach. I'm a start your studs guy though and Achane is a stud. If he plays in a game he'll be in my lineup. If he takes 1 carry and gets hurt, thems the breaks. I'm not benching a guy who can take it to the house any second where they scheme him to get the ball. It's a pretty easy call for me (guys I could start over him include Dobbs, Eckler, Likely, Ferguson)
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This 'guy who can take it to the house any second' thing I've never understood

Almost all NFL rbs and wrs can take it to the house any second

I'm an owner but he had a 3 game stretch where the Dolphins offense was on a whole off the charts. Once people figured out how to stop him and the Phins the rest of the season was pretty pedestrian
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I've debunked that in this thread but seems it is still a narrative.

Then he goes on to post 20pts in week 1 of 2023 but we still talking about his rookie season.
 
TwinTurbo said:
Big Nate said:
TwinTurbo said:
Big Nate said:
Achane's rookie season was similar to Kamara's in that he busted out and looked great doing so. Both RBs are elite talents that bring something special to the table that others don't. Kamara's contact balance and shiftiness is uncanny. Achane's vision and open field running is some of the best in the league. He is very slippery and runs well in traffic for his size. He is a great pass catcher which is big for NFL RBs these days. They used Achane in all sorts of motion/runs/tosses/inside pitches etc. They used him a lot in the red zone - I believe he had 6 TDs from the red zone. That also means he hit 5 home run TDs. He can score from anywhere. 3 rushing TDs were against BUF which is awesome being a Fins fan! :flex:

Achane is in a perfect offense for him, he is an elite talent AND he is getting targets. The targets are great to boost his PPG and getting him in space.

I wouldn't be surprised if his receiving TDs go up this year. He will be getting more than 40 targets this year. Right now he looks to be the 3rd option in the passing game - they are already using him out wide this pre-season. It is happening.

I expect him to improve on his rookie season. Miami is already working on getting him more involved.

People are pointing out injuries but I ask, "how many RBs play a true full season?" Yes Achane could get injured but so will every other RB. When he was in college he was playing football but also sprinting. He has a full offseason now to condition himself for football and prepare his body for football.

If you are worried about injuries are you also avoiding CMC, Hall, Taylor, Gibbs, Etienne, Barkley, Kyren, Walker, Henry and the list goes on. Everyone has been injured. Each of those RBs could get injured again and likely will.

So, for me, the only thing that gives me pause is his ADP in some drafts/leagues. As for talent - he's a top 5 RB IMO as he can do it all. We do know this will be a timeshare but with 8-10 carries and 5 targets a game he can produce RB1 season and be a weekly RB1. There were a few times when Waddle got dinged up that they moved Achane into Waddles spot. Nice to know they had confidence in the rookie.

One more offseason getting ready for the NFL will do wonders for Achane. As a Fins fan I'm excited to see what he can do.
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The main difference between Archane and Kamara is about 35 lbs. I love both of these guys but the reality is RBs that only weigh 180 lbs carry a greater injury risk. It's simple physics. And he looks smaller than his listed weight. Again I love what he brings and I am targeting him in some leagues.
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Why exaggerate the weight? It isn't 35lbs. You don't need to change numbers to make the point. I don't disagree that lighter backs have a bit more risk but him and Kamara were the same size coming out of college. I already spoke about his weight and that he was keeping it lower for sprinting in college. Give him a season to mature and fill out. He weighed in at 192 once he got to Miami. Here are his words from the Miami Herald

Achane said he measured 192 pounds Friday morning, which is the heaviest he has been, and the full commitment to football has allowed him to get bigger. “I always knew that I could gain weight,” he said. “I just didn't have the full offseason to gain weight because obviously I was doing track. May 12, 2023
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Moreover Kamara was 185lbs in college. These boys fill out as they mature.

Like I said, any back you draft is an injury risk. Just take the good ones. I will say Achane is a good one.
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Well here we are, didn't even make it to week 2 and he is dinged up. Yes he is a good one, possibly great, but the injury risk is simply higher given his size. I hope he plays tonight. Also the 35lbs was not an exaggeration. Teams play games with listed height and weight all the time. The eye test puts him at about 180 lbs. And Kamara is a legit 215 and was that weight in college at Tennessee as well. He was over 195 in high school in GA. Maybe Achane is 190 in pads after drinking a gallon of water. I would bet a large amount on the under. If he is 192 then Deuce Vaughn is 6ft tall.
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Awesome, a told you so post. Appreciate it. 20pts week 1, hasn't missed week 2 yet but if he doesn't put up 20pts in week 2 I look forward to your next post.
 
That’s a pre-scripted promo from Amazon Prime. I seriously doubt Achane posted that, it’s probably from the media staff.
 
Faust said:
@JetPackGalileo
The real beauty of De'Von Achane's game is the technique with which he uses his elite speed.

Big plays are set up by big brains.

Does a great job of bringing the outside defender inside before bouncing back out.
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x.com

x.com x.com
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This is why you draft Achane. There is another one where he catches the ball in the flats and is already making a jump move to beat the defender before he catches it. He's a special talent.
 
JohnnyU said:
Ankles are tricky. If he plays, I would worry about him tweaking it. However, Achane can do a lot with limited touches, so there is that.
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This is where I'm at. If he's a green light to play, he'll be in my lineup.

But from a real football perspective - If I'm McDaniel, I make it VERY clear to Achane that if he needs a week, it's ok to take a week. The big key here is to not make it worse.
 
cockroach said:
WaltonGoggins said:
Dunn was a freak of nature
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Highest YPC ever with over 100 carries. Achane isn't some JAG. Give me the choice between Dumb in his prime and Achane and I'm taking the train. 2k total yds easy upside if he doesn't miss games (every RB gets injured)
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Dunn knew how to run small and avoid direct hits with his quickness…a big reason he amassed 2700 carries, 500 catches, and 15k yards.
 
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Statorama said:
JohnnyU said:
Ankles are tricky. If he plays, I would worry about him tweaking it. However, Achane can do a lot with limited touches, so there is that.
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This is where I'm at. If he's a green light to play, he'll be in my lineup.

But from a real football perspective - If I'm McDaniel, I make it VERY clear to Achane that if he needs a week, it's ok to take a week. The big key here is to not make it worse.
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If this wasn't a game against the division champs, he would probably sit Achane. They need this game. If he can run, he plays.
 
Gally said:
cockroach said:
Gally said:
If you are a big favorite and need floor then it goes to the matchups as and if you have a solid floor guy then I put him in.
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I suppose you could take this approach. I'm a start your studs guy though and Achane is a stud. If he plays in a game he'll be in my lineup. If he takes 1 carry and gets hurt, thems the breaks. I'm not benching a guy who can take it to the house any second where they scheme him to get the ball. It's a pretty easy call for me (guys I could start over him include Dobbs, Eckler, Likely, Ferguson)
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That goes to the overall roster construction part of the equation. I agree, I want Achane type players for sure and most of the time they will be in the lineup. However, in situations where the player is limited in some way (ankle injury to a speedster for example) and now that explosiveness takes a hit. So now more info goes into the decision making process.
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That's all up to Mike McDaniels. If he plays he plays.
 
I have had more ankle injuries than I can count. If he plays, I would be very surprised if he has 100% speed and quickness just 4 days later. For a guy like him, a little less explosiveness can be the difference between big play and tackle for loss.
 
Statorama said:
JohnnyU said:
Ankles are tricky. If he plays, I would worry about him tweaking it. However, Achane can do a lot with limited touches, so there is that.
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This is where I'm at. If he's a green light to play, he'll be in my lineup.

But from a real football perspective - If I'm McDaniel, I make it VERY clear to Achane that if he needs a week, it's ok to take a week. The big key here is to not make it worse.
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No kidding. Even with 10 days to rest afterwards. Although, the next 3 games aren’t quite as hard as this week.
 
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