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RB De’Von Achane, MIA (3 Viewers)

Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?
I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
This is what I did. Achane at 22 and Wright at 174 (lol). And was more than happy to cheaply fill out the rest of my RB room with Conner in the 7th, Brooks in the 8th (who went in IR and gave me an extra "free" player right after the draft), Brian Robinson in the 10th, and Dobbins in the 11th. I wouldn't take a risk on a guy like Achane that high in some previous years, but this year was the perfect time with how other RBs were being valued to do it IMO. Not to mention, in that middle part of the draft the top 6 TEs were already gone, and I was a fan of very few WRs in that range.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?
I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
This is what I did. Achane at 22 and Wright at 174 (lol). And was more than happy to cheaply fill out the rest of my RB room with Conner in the 7th, Brooks in the 8th (who went in IR and gave me an extra "free" player right after the draft), Brian Robinson in the 10th, and Dobbins in the 11th. I wouldn't take a risk on a guy like Achane that high in some previous years, but this year was the perfect time with how other RBs were being valued to do it IMO. Not to mention, in that middle part of the draft the top 6 TEs were already gone, and I was a fan of very few WRs in that range.
For those on Team Achane, does it matter to you that last year he was essentially a backup running back? Achane played in 12 games (counting the playoffs), and 5 of them were blowouts (28 points or more). That left only 6 games where both RM and DA played where the score wasn't essentially decided by halftime. Here were his game logs for those games:

NEP: 1-5-0 | 1-4-0
NYG: 11-151-1 | 1-14-0 (had a 76-yard TD run)
LVR: 1-1-0 | 1-4-0
TEN: 7-47-0 | 5-24-0
DAL: 7-24-0 | 1-7-0
KCC: 6-9-0 | 3-21-0

That's an average of 5.5-39.5-0.17 |2.2-12.3-0 . . . or an average of 8.38 ppg in 1 PPR leagues. Sure, I get that he's unlikely to have games with 1 carry. But I am not so sure he will have many games with 10 carries.

Pages and pages ago, I posted that the huge majority of Achane's production came in situations that didn't matter and the Dolphins were either up a ton or down a ton. Some would call that garbage time. (It technically wasn't because it wasn't in the final 2 minutes of games.) But when it actually mattered the most, Mostert got the ball.

There are a lot of variables that people on Team Achane will point to. There could be just as many blowouts and Achane could get a ton of fantasy production in a mop up role. There could be just as many TD opportunities and Achane will get them this year instead. Mostert could get hurt. Mostert could start playing like an old man. Achane could get half the workload. Mostert could take a backseat to Achane. Achane could have a half dozen 50-yard TD. All those things COULD happen, but as far as I can tell, Mostert is still slated to be the primary ball carrier.

Maybe I'm just stubborn, old school, and obstinate. But I have yet to see a set of Week 1 rankings with Mostert ranked ahead of Achane. And I've seen Achane ranked as a Top 5 back for Week 1. No matter what, this will be an interesting situation to follow each week.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?
I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
This is what I did. Achane at 22 and Wright at 174 (lol). And was more than happy to cheaply fill out the rest of my RB room with Conner in the 7th, Brooks in the 8th (who went in IR and gave me an extra "free" player right after the draft), Brian Robinson in the 10th, and Dobbins in the 11th. I wouldn't take a risk on a guy like Achane that high in some previous years, but this year was the perfect time with how other RBs were being valued to do it IMO. Not to mention, in that middle part of the draft the top 6 TEs were already gone, and I was a fan of very few WRs in that range.
I prefer the other route and go Mostert in the 7-8-9 area and then Wright late to hedge against injury. I think the cost savings is well worth it to let Achane go early and grab Mostert & Wright at value.
 
Are you going to start Achane after back to back games with 10 touches and 60 scoreless yards? Which is going to happen regularly.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?
I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
This is what I did. Achane at 22 and Wright at 174 (lol). And was more than happy to cheaply fill out the rest of my RB room with Conner in the 7th, Brooks in the 8th (who went in IR and gave me an extra "free" player right after the draft), Brian Robinson in the 10th, and Dobbins in the 11th. I wouldn't take a risk on a guy like Achane that high in some previous years, but this year was the perfect time with how other RBs were being valued to do it IMO. Not to mention, in that middle part of the draft the top 6 TEs were already gone, and I was a fan of very few WRs in that range.

Pages and pages ago, I posted that the huge majority of Achane's production came in situations that didn't matter and the Dolphins were either up a ton or down a ton. Some would call that garbage time. (It technically wasn't because it wasn't in the final 2 minutes of games.) But when it actually mattered the most, Mostert got the ball.
We have heard it but its not all true. You do make a good point that it is a time share and Mostert will get his snaps.

The majority was not in garbage/backup time. Achane had 3 TDs vs BUF (2 games) and he had 2 of his TDs in the game vs DEN when it was still a close game (less than 14pts). Achane actually had 2 TDs in the first half before Mostert scored any of his. That is 5 TDs in games that meant something at the time. I believe his receiving TD in the BAL game was also during a meaningful game and a red zone TD.

There are more instances but I don't have time right now.

You make some good points but don't twist things to try to fit your belief that Achane isn't good.

It is risky drafting him as high as he goes sometimes and that is fair. I pass at him mid-second round as there is indeed risk.

But he's talented, in a great offense and with an OC/QB that like to feature him and get him the ball. He also catches passes and scored 3 times through the air last year. Great for PPR.

Again I've said this pages ago but what can I do. I believe he is talented enough to be a top 5 RB this year but no doubt there is risk. If you don't want the risk then pass on him.
 
Drafted Achane in the 12th round re-draft league last year. Dropped him due to roster space needed and an injury. Traded for him (also had Mostert) and was happy AF. However, I think Jaylen Wright will rise to the lead of this 3-headed monster. Don't trust Mostert and Achane to stay healthy despite Mostert having a great year, healthwise.
 
Drafted Achane in the 12th round re-draft league last year. Dropped him due to roster space needed and an injury. Traded for him (also had Mostert) and was happy AF. However, I think Jaylen Wright will rise to the lead of this 3-headed monster. Don't trust Mostert and Achane to stay healthy despite Mostert having a great year, healthwise.
I like Wright and wouldn't surprise me if he gets some burn this year but he's currently 3rd in this backfield and there is also Wilson.

Achane and Mostert will be the guys getting the work ahead of Wright unless something happens. Mostert was pretty healthy last year. Achane was healthy all through college and just happened to be banged up last year. No guarantee any of these guys miss time.

Having said that, Wright is a great value as a cuff at his current price but I'm not expecting much at this point due to him being 3rd at best right now.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?
I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
This is what I did. Achane at 22 and Wright at 174 (lol). And was more than happy to cheaply fill out the rest of my RB room with Conner in the 7th, Brooks in the 8th (who went in IR and gave me an extra "free" player right after the draft), Brian Robinson in the 10th, and Dobbins in the 11th. I wouldn't take a risk on a guy like Achane that high in some previous years, but this year was the perfect time with how other RBs were being valued to do it IMO. Not to mention, in that middle part of the draft the top 6 TEs were already gone, and I was a fan of very few WRs in that range.
For those on Team Achane, does it matter to you that last year he was essentially a backup running back? Achane played in 12 games (counting the playoffs), and 5 of them were blowouts (28 points or more). That left only 6 games where both RM and DA played where the score wasn't essentially decided by halftime. Here were his game logs for those games:

NEP: 1-5-0 | 1-4-0
NYG: 11-151-1 | 1-14-0 (had a 76-yard TD run)
LVR: 1-1-0 | 1-4-0
TEN: 7-47-0 | 5-24-0
DAL: 7-24-0 | 1-7-0
KCC: 6-9-0 | 3-21-0

That's an average of 5.5-39.5-0.17 |2.2-12.3-0 . . . or an average of 8.38 ppg in 1 PPR leagues. Sure, I get that he's unlikely to have games with 1 carry. But I am not so sure he will have many games with 10 carries.

Pages and pages ago, I posted that the huge majority of Achane's production came in situations that didn't matter and the Dolphins were either up a ton or down a ton. Some would call that garbage time. (It technically wasn't because it wasn't in the final 2 minutes of games.) But when it actually mattered the most, Mostert got the ball.

There are a lot of variables that people on Team Achane will point to. There could be just as many blowouts and Achane could get a ton of fantasy production in a mop up role. There could be just as many TD opportunities and Achane will get them this year instead. Mostert could get hurt. Mostert could start playing like an old man. Achane could get half the workload. Mostert could take a backseat to Achane. Achane could have a half dozen 50-yard TD. All those things COULD happen, but as far as I can tell, Mostert is still slated to be the primary ball carrier.

Maybe I'm just stubborn, old school, and obstinate. But I have yet to see a set of Week 1 rankings with Mostert ranked ahead of Achane. And I've seen Achane ranked as a Top 5 back for Week 1. No matter what, this will be an interesting situation to follow each week.
I believe he was partially limited last year as a rookie and believe the coach when he's said several times he's not only going to be utilizing him more, but also in different facets, than he was last season. So I think that his low weeks will be closer to 10 ppg with 6 or 7 carries for 40-50 yards and 3-4 receptions for 20-30 yards as a minimum.

And as I've said before, his potential for dropping a 30+ pt. game is pretty much second to only CMC in my mind. So with the stable of high floor RBs I filled my roster with in mid rounds, getting a top 5/6 TE in round 5, and getting 3 top WRs in rounds 1/3/4 by avoiding all the other RBs taken in that range more than makes up for his low weeks to keep me competitive. IMO this strat is also safer against injuries/game plans/tough matchups/roster shakeups as WRs in general are just less risky than RBs in all those areas. And then in starting him every week, if he has even just two explosive games where he blows up like he did several times last season (which I think is low balling it considering he has another year in the league and the system and again a coach who has made a point to say he's going to be putting the ball in his hands more) that can pretty much lock me in for +2 wins in a super short ~14 game season. Every year my leagues are coming down to a win or two, if they aren't relying on tie breakers, for making the playoffs. And every year the playoffs seem to be wildly unpredictable and a crapshoot. Pretty much anyone has a chance once you are in there. He is a difference maker who, to me, greatly increases the odds of stealing entire weeks, boosting your chances of making the playoffs, having better playoff matchups, and potentially getting a bye. I see very few other players like that in fantasy, and none that you can get at the end of the 2nd round/early 3rd.

TLDR: I'm drafting Achane for those 2-3 (or hopefully more) explosive RB1 overall weeks that singlehandedly win your matchup, not the season. But because of this years values at RB and TE, it's more palatable than ever to eat that risk. And I think his RB floor is comparable to just about every other RB in the league outside the top 8 or so. It's really only the injury risk, which I've never personally seen a good track record for predicting. And when you can get Wright for free as insurance, makes even that red flag feel negligible.
 
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I passed on him last night with my 3.03 pick, some folks have been grabbing him early.
I love his talent and rooting for him on Sundays but he seems crazy up n down, not sure what Mostert will do exactly.
I still took Wright later in the Draft as my RB5 and believe he will see plenty of action his rookie season

@Anarchy99 did some yeoman's work on this and I think Achane will do well but something like 1,200+ total yds and maybe 8-10 TDs over however many games he suits up, and he'll look good doing it but he cannot keep up a pace of almost 8 yds per carry and a TD about every 10-12 carries.

But he'll still have some explosive games. Ceiling could be closer to 1,500 total yds IF he can play 15-16 games and not be on the IR week in and week out never knowing how many touches he gets with 2 other fast RBs ready to help carry the load. There is ZERO reason for Miami to burn up any of these RBs and they are much better off with all three available.

Also was pointed out Miami had 34 rush TDs, Tua had almsot 30 pass TDs, that's 64 by MoP math
25 rushing TDs for the team is still pretty lofty but doable with what they have. That doesn't mean Miami is going to score 10 less TDs this year and I'll let you ruminate on where those go
Some of those passing TD that move over could come thru Achane. What we don't know is what capacity Miami will use him in the passing game.
As a fan i hope we see plenty of Achane, he's really explosive in open field,
I almost wish they would just switch him to WR and give him 6-8 designed run plays so defenses aren't sure what's coming

Good job in this thread, everyone who contributed on both sides of this mini tug'o war, I don't think anyone is openly rooting against him
 
More for me as a trip down memory lane, I sifted through my leagues over the past 25 years to see how many RB had put up 90+ fantasy points in a 3-game stretch (since Achane had 93.8 last year). The totals may not be exact, as some leagues had decimal scoring and others didn't (or some had other minor scoring differences). If a player is listed twice in the same season, that meant there were 2 such stretches using 3 different games. I did using my eyeballs (not a database search), so if I missed anyone, let me know and I can add that player onto the list.

Marshall Faulk 136 (2001)
Clinton Portis 124 (2003)
LaDainian Tomlinson 121.1 (2006)
Priest Holmes 116 (2002)
Ricky Williams 110 (2002)
Todd Gurley 107.1 (2017)
Shaun Alexander 106 (2001)
LaDainian Tomlinson 102.26 (2006)
Doug Martin 102.8 (2012)
Le'Veon Bell 101.1 (2014)
Jonathan Taylor 101 (2021)
Shaun Alexander 101 (2001)
Priest Holmes 100.7 (2004)
Larry Johnson 100.5 (2005)
LaDainian Tomlinson 100 (2003)
Jamaal Charles 99.7 (2013)
Chris Johnson 99.1 (2009)
Jamaal Lewis 98 (2003)
Clinton Portis 98 (2002)
Dalvin Cook 98.7 (2020)
Devonta Freeman 95.9 (2015)
Deuce McAllister 95 (2003)
Marshall Faulk 95 (2000)
Mike Anderson 95 (2000)
LaDainian Tomlinson 94.84 (2005)
Jamaal Lewis 94 (2003)
De'Von Achane 93.8 (2023)
LaDainian Tomlinson 93.5 (2005)
Priest Holmes 93 (2002)
Derrick McHenry 92.24 (2018)
Ahman Green 91 (2003)
Christian McCaffrey 90.4 (2019)
Priest Holmes 90 (2001)
 
More for me as a trip down memory lane, I sifted through my leagues over the past 25 years to see how many RB had put up 90+ fantasy points in a 3-game stretch (since Achane had 93.8 last year). The totals may not be exact, as some leagues had decimal scoring and others didn't (or some had other minor scoring differences). If a player is listed twice in the same season, that meant there were 2 such stretches using 3 different games. I did using my eyeballs (not a database search), so if I missed anyone, let me know and I can add that player onto the list.

Marshall Faulk 136 (2001)
Clinton Portis 124 (2003)
LaDainian Tomlinson 121.1 (2006)
Priest Holmes 116 (2002)
Ricky Williams 110 (2002)
Todd Gurley 107.1 (2017)
Shaun Alexander 106 (2001)
LaDainian Tomlinson 102.26 (2006)
Doug Martin 102.8 (2012)
Le'Veon Bell 101.1 (2014)
Jonathan Taylor 101 (2021)
Shaun Alexander 101 (2001)
Priest Holmes 100.7 (2004)
Larry Johnson 100.5 (2005)
LaDainian Tomlinson 100 (2003)
Jamaal Charles 99.7 (2013)
Chris Johnson 99.1 (2009)
Jamaal Lewis 98 (2003)
Clinton Portis 98 (2002)
Dalvin Cook 98.7 (2020)
Devonta Freeman 95.9 (2015)
Deuce McAllister 95 (2003)
Marshall Faulk 95 (2000)
Mike Anderson 95 (2000)
LaDainian Tomlinson 94.84 (2005)
Jamaal Lewis 94 (2003)
De'Von Achane 93.8 (2023)
LaDainian Tomlinson 93.5 (2005)
Priest Holmes 93 (2002)
Derrick McHenry 92.24 (2018)
Ahman Green 91 (2003)
Christian McCaffrey 90.4 (2019)
Priest Holmes 90 (2001)
That's an impressive list, you really don't see very few one hit wonders on that list. The only ones i see is Mike Anderson and Doug Martin.
 
More for me as a trip down memory lane, I sifted through my leagues over the past 25 years to see how many RB had put up 90+ fantasy points in a 3-game stretch (since Achane had 93.8 last year). The totals may not be exact, as some leagues had decimal scoring and others didn't (or some had other minor scoring differences). If a player is listed twice in the same season, that meant there were 2 such stretches using 3 different games. I did using my eyeballs (not a database search), so if I missed anyone, let me know and I can add that player onto the list.

Marshall Faulk 136 (2001)
Clinton Portis 124 (2003)
LaDainian Tomlinson 121.1 (2006)
Priest Holmes 116 (2002)
Ricky Williams 110 (2002)
Todd Gurley 107.1 (2017)
Shaun Alexander 106 (2001)
LaDainian Tomlinson 102.26 (2006)
Doug Martin 102.8 (2012)
Le'Veon Bell 101.1 (2014)
Jonathan Taylor 101 (2021)
Shaun Alexander 101 (2001)
Priest Holmes 100.7 (2004)
Larry Johnson 100.5 (2005)
LaDainian Tomlinson 100 (2003)
Jamaal Charles 99.7 (2013)
Chris Johnson 99.1 (2009)
Jamaal Lewis 98 (2003)
Clinton Portis 98 (2002)
Dalvin Cook 98.7 (2020)
Devonta Freeman 95.9 (2015)
Deuce McAllister 95 (2003)
Marshall Faulk 95 (2000)
Mike Anderson 95 (2000)
LaDainian Tomlinson 94.84 (2005)
Jamaal Lewis 94 (2003)
De'Von Achane 93.8 (2023)
LaDainian Tomlinson 93.5 (2005)
Priest Holmes 93 (2002)
Derrick McHenry 92.24 (2018)
Ahman Green 91 (2003)
Christian McCaffrey 90.4 (2019)
Priest Holmes 90 (2001)
That's an impressive list, you really don't see very few one hit wonders on that list. The only ones i see is Mike Anderson and Doug Martin.
I never heard of this Derrick McHenry fellow.
 
That's an impressive list, you really don't see very few one hit wonders on that list. The only ones i see is Mike Anderson and Doug Martin.
One of the closest and most surprising near misses was Jerome Harrison, who scored 89.3 fantasy points in Weeks 14-16 of the 2009 season for CLE, including a game with 286 rushing yards and 3 TD.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?

I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
Exactly this. I don’t want 3 Miami RBs. But Wright has been a target - regardless of whether I get Achane.
I actually prefer targeting Mostert in the 6-7-8 and then Wright later for that combo. It's better value wise then paying up for Achane into the 2nd or 3rd round.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?

I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
Exactly this. I don’t want 3 Miami RBs. But Wright has been a target - regardless of whether I get Achane.
I actually prefer targeting Mostert in the 6-7-8 and then Wright later for that combo. It's better value wise then paying up for Achane into the 2nd or 3rd round.
We’ll see how it works out. I think Mostert is almost irrelevant by the FF playoffs.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?

I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
Exactly this. I don’t want 3 Miami RBs. But Wright has been a target - regardless of whether I get Achane.
I actually prefer targeting Mostert in the 6-7-8 and then Wright later for that combo. It's better value wise then paying up for Achane into the 2nd or 3rd round.
We’ll see how it works out. I think Mostert is almost irrelevant by the FF playoffs.
Which is fine if you have Wright because his irrelevancy will be based on injury or being outperformed by Wright. So either way I have a high upside RB in Miami.
 
Any Achane owners feel they had to also grab Mostert later?

I'd prefer either Achane or Mostert (not both), then target Jaylen Wright late.
Exactly this. I don’t want 3 Miami RBs. But Wright has been a target - regardless of whether I get Achane.
I actually prefer targeting Mostert in the 6-7-8 and then Wright later for that combo. It's better value wise then paying up for Achane into the 2nd or 3rd round.
We’ll see how it works out. I think Mostert is almost irrelevant by the FF playoffs.
Which is fine if you have Wright because his irrelevancy will be based on injury or being outperformed by Wright. So either way I have a high upside RB in Miami.
That’s certainly a good perspective.
 
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De'Von Achane has impossible upside

He just set the NFL record for YPC, with a full standard deviation better than the next-closest player (dude from 1949).

He ranked 2nd among all RBs in *** last year, behind only CMC.

He's currently leading the team in reciving yards (60), and has a 67% carry share (100% at the goal line)
 
Been out all day so missed this game. I am on ESPN but Achane is showing with zero points. But I looked at the stat page and he had a TD? He didn't score zero right!?
 
Someone above said he got hurt. No idea on that.

I didn't see anything about it, but I saw his last carry in the 4th and he was pretty sore looking walking to the sideline.
That was me above - got a Sleeper alert that he was questionable, but fortunately fake news. Hope that last carry wasn’t anything of significance
I know Wilson had a lot of Carrie’s for a stretch there
I think they trust him to be the grinder when they need tough yards or work the clock.
 
Most carries on the team with 10, second most targets on the team behind only Tyreek with 7, 100 total yards and a TD. Was also run on goal line a few times over Mostert. I'd say that's pretty promising and sounds like those who believed McDaniel saying he was going to give Achane more touches were paid off. Top 5 RB week 1 was a great way to start.
 
What a great start, he is living up to the hype. There is some speculation from the usual Twitter docs that he may have hurt his shoulder? On the last play. Similar to last year.
 
Right at the end of the game he got rolled-up on a bit and was limping off. Hopefully just sore and nothing serious. Someone said Mostert got dinged up too.

Fingers crossed for the best.
 
My opinion, I think Wright is on his way to replacing Mostert.
When that happens, I can see Wright getting 60%. Still good enough for Achane to get his.
Wilson is still a head of Wright.

It may take a while before Wright gets a lot of action unless everyone else is injured. Until then its Mostert, Achane and Wilson. Coaches rolling with the vets.
 
My opinion, I think Wright is on his way to replacing Mostert.
When that happens, I can see Wright getting 60%. Still good enough for Achane to get his.
Wilson is still a head of Wright.

It may take a while before Wright gets a lot of action unless everyone else is injured. Until then its Mostert, Achane and Wilson. Coaches rolling with the vets.
Because he plays special teams. I'm saying I can see Wright taking over the Mostert role.
 
What a great start, he is living up to the hype. There is some speculation from the usual Twitter docs that he may have hurt his shoulder? On the last play. Similar to last year.
I believe it was Mostert who fell on his shoulder and got a bit crushed. Achane was his leg after his last touch. At least that is what I heard.
 
My opinion, I think Wright is on his way to replacing Mostert.
When that happens, I can see Wright getting 60%. Still good enough for Achane to get his.
Wilson is still a head of Wright.

It may take a while before Wright gets a lot of action unless everyone else is injured. Until then its Mostert, Achane and Wilson. Coaches rolling with the vets.
Because he plays special teams. I'm saying I can see Wright taking over the Mostert role.
Eventually it could happen but it might not be until later this year or next. I really like Wright but Wilson is still ahead of him. I don't see Wright getting 60%. Mostert had 44%, Achane 52% and Wilson 15%. Things will change game to game as well.

When they are behind Achane will be in more sets like yesterday. When they are ahead I can see more Mostert when they want to grind. This would be a good spot for Wright too.
 

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