Chaka
Footballguy
This is probably the reason they hired a company man like Saturday to be the HC. Irsay didn't want the team to rally around some interim like Marcus Brady for a few weeks and accidentally eke out a few wins.
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RB Deon Jackson, CLE (1 Viewer)
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Insein
Footballguy
Exactly
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Soooooo. It’s been awhile. I’ll be that guy who gives this thread a bump.
Moss has a broken arm and Hull has been unimpressive. Deon is the back I want with the probable JT trade looming. As long as Hunt doesn’t get the call from the Indy GM.
Moss has a broken arm and Hull has been unimpressive. Deon is the back I want with the probable JT trade looming. As long as Hunt doesn’t get the call from the Indy GM.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No one is rooting harder for a JT deal more than Deon/Hull shareholders like me.
I have that combo in my most RB needy league.
May the FF gods deliver
I have that combo in my most RB needy league.
May the FF gods deliver
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Deon looked good in limited opportunity last year.
Chaka
Footballguy
Every time he got a decent opportunity he seemed to show up very well. Against Den, Jax, Min & Hou he went 46-194-1 rushing with 21-184-0 receiving. He fell flat against the Patriots but there is no shame in getting stymied by a top run defense on the road.
He's not Taylor but I think he could produce some respectable numbers if given the opportunity. I like him better than any other RB on the roster, including Moss.
He's not Taylor but I think he could produce some respectable numbers if given the opportunity. I like him better than any other RB on the roster, including Moss.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same, and I like Hull. Deon is a more patient runner. Admittedly I haven’t seen that much of Hull so limited sample size.
Also IMO Deon would benefit from the RPO system with ARich.
When defenses are keyed on stopping Richardson, Jackson should have some wide open lanes.
I watched most of the Colts games last year on TV.
I thought Deon Jackson looked a bit better then Zach Moss last year. However, Moss seemed to be in front of Jackson on the depth chart last year once both were on the team.
Of course, Moss broke his arm a few weeks ago and the coaching staff is completely new so who knows about this year.
Also, I'm just a fan so and not a talent evaluator so take what I say with a big grain of salt.
I thought Deon Jackson looked a bit better then Zach Moss last year. However, Moss seemed to be in front of Jackson on the depth chart last year once both were on the team.
Of course, Moss broke his arm a few weeks ago and the coaching staff is completely new so who knows about this year.
Also, I'm just a fan so and not a talent evaluator so take what I say with a big grain of salt.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Better get DrakeNo one is rooting harder for a JT deal more than Deon/Hull shareholders like me.
I have that combo in my most RB needy league.
May the FF gods deliver
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, I've always enjoyed watching him play. He looks the part of a #1 back every time I see him play. But, I don't know what it is about Drake that makes NFL teams not want to use him as a feature back but it really s me Ms like they don't.Better get DrakeNo one is rooting harder for a JT deal more than Deon/Hull shareholders like me.
I have that combo in my most RB needy league.
May the FF gods deliver
But his presence in Indy makes it likely it will be a real committee approach if Taylor is gone. You'll almost certainly hurt yourself more than help chasing last weeks RB point leader in Indy.
Timmay
Footballguy
Is he the guy to get in Indy? With so many question marks surrounding Taylor and him being out at least 4 games, is he worth a flier? Do you prefer Moss or Hull more?
This is a situation I would like to avoid especially this early in the year or not have to worry about until Bye weeks come into effect, but I have a soft spot for Deon because I played him during those breakout games last year and I think he is better than Moss.
This is a situation I would like to avoid especially this early in the year or not have to worry about until Bye weeks come into effect, but I have a soft spot for Deon because I played him during those breakout games last year and I think he is better than Moss.
pfireman
Footballguy
I will say this for what it's worth, Moss was looking pretty good until he broke his arm and was the clear #1 behind Taylor. I think Deon Jackson will start week #1 and is worth a late flier pick on late in drafts but when Moss comes back he will be the starter until JT comes back. Moss did not practice yesterday with the team and if he doesn't practice today he isn't going to play week #1. That will mean Jackson will see the majority of the reps through the first two weeks of the season.
Why? What if Moss practices next week?
Down Under
Footballguy
Thinking of dropping Kendre Miller for this guy....
This is why I love holding off on my draft as long as possible.
Hoping my league mates are too busy drinking beers on the beach and munching on hot dogs and don't notice this type of news.
Could have a starter in round 13-14 (unless the various platforms increase his projections).
Is there a link?
massraider
Footballguy
Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL
On #Colts running back situation w/ Jonathan Taylor out 1st four games, Deon Jackson slated to start first game against #Jaguars per league sources. And Zack Moss, making speedy recovery from wrist surgery, expected back by second or third week, per sources
@KPRC2
#NFL
No JT. No Moss.
A really great early season flex if you waiting to see how other spots shake out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If Doubs is out week 1, I’m gonna flex Deon in my 16 team dynasty.
Pray for me.
Pray for me.
Deon vs JAX. Lots of unknowns. JAX 24 IND 20, based on the odds, with Deon getting a late TD. JAX looked great in preseason, it could be a route.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have low expectations for INDY right now, and have a feeling that if there’s a RZTD it’s gonna be ARich.
I still might roll with Warren for the receptions. Against my Niners.
I’d rather have Doubs.
Insein
Footballguy
Miles Sanders went 27-134-2 against Jax last year in Shane Steichen's offense. Now Indy doesn't have the Eagles oline and Sanders is more talented than Jackson but they may try to run it to keep heat off of Richardson early.
Now I'm debating between Mostert of Jackson week 1.
Now I'm debating between Mostert of Jackson week 1.
Mostert. Better offense and too many unknowns in IND.
Down Under
Footballguy
in drafts still to come, where do people see him going? 7th/8th round maybe?
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Got him in the 14th round of Ffpc on Wednesday.
massraider
Footballguy
If he's on your team, and you cannot start him week 1 with JT and Moss out, why is he on your team?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Too many unknowns with JT to take him that high, IMO.
Ideally you want a sleeper pick who’s gonna help down the stretch.
Redraft owners will struggle to have him in the lineup other than the 1st 4 weeks, and it could still be that Hull shows better once the games start.
Then you have Moss & JT coming back.
Sure, if you *knew* JT would be dealt or wouldn’t play, maybe 8-9th round.
I still have him as a 14th ~> dart throw.
So that if he goes off in wk 1, you can try trading him for something.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Deon is about to rip off 60 total yards and no tds. Then give up lead dog spot to Moss. Who will rush for 300 yards in the next 4 games. Then he will give up lead dog spot to Taylor. Who will realize he needs to finish strong to get paid. He will ball out and will remind the world how great a RB he is. Mahalo
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You could have better options to start and holding him hoping for a nice week 1 and an increased trade value.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
But until there’s clarity with JT’s long term outlook, no one is going to pay much for Deon for a ~month of production.
It’s a catch-22. Even if he goes off, it doesn’t bump his value since he’s seen as a stop-gap.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Unless we get clarity on JT (trade, health, etc) and until we see how the Colts deploy Jackson/Hull, and until we know what role Moss will have upon return, I’m skeptical we see a significant uptick in Deon’s trade value.
If there's a starting RB out there I tend to grab immediately and ask questions later.
If waiver's were run today he'd be the #1 claim.
Hoping to grab post round 10 tmrw night.
massraider
Footballguy
Right. The value to my mind, and I get why people think otherwise, is that Jackson--and Dalvin Cook--can be starters right away, then in a few weeks, maybe they lose their jobs, but hopefully the unclear situations you drafted elsewhere sort themselves.
Trading him? Fellas, people believe Zach Moss is gonna take the job from Deon, and you gonna trade Jackson? If Zach Moss takes your job, or is a threat to your job, I'm not trading for you.
We have seen these young running QBs have success right off the bat. Deon could benefit from that. I kind of expect a top 12-16 RB finish from him week 1. They are missing two out of three top backs!! The only dude left is a white rookie from Northwestern! That's fine if some mechanical engineering breaks out on the football field, but Deon gonna get a lot of work.
If Mixon and Evans was out this week, there'd be a Chase Brown Jamboree in the Shark Pool. Volume is everything. Deon gonna get a lot of work.
Also, you really wanna bet against a Deon this week? :COACHPRIME:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Only way I see is if someone went "Punt RB2" and JT was their only top 20 or so RB. They might be interested in getting 50-75% of his points for a bench player.
Don't underedtimate the dude from NW with similar measureables to CMC. Hull and Deon could end up competing for 3rd down duty long-term, as both are good receiving backs. That's my hesitancy for starting Deon in the 1st game vs JAX, I think they like Hull and will play him at least 30%.
massraider
Footballguy
I think people overestimate how many of these late round backs can actually get work in week 1
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I could see a JT owner wanting him as a bridge. But yeah - that’s about the only circumstance.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah - the more I think about it the more likely I am to roll with Warren if Doubs is out.
(Don’t judge - it’s a 16 team IDP dynasty - Warren is actually better than several teams RB2)
The Frankman
Footballguy
I got him 10.12 in a 16 team Standard league w/ Double Flex (WR/TE and WR/RB/TE). He might have a role after Week 1 as a pass catcher but yeah, he's a hope-and-pray guy that maybe Moss is ineffective.
>>#JAXvsIND injury update: RB Zack Moss (forearm) has been downgraded to Doubtful.<<
And elevated Funk from the PS. Jackson's value goes up about 2%, as this was expected. He'll compete with rookie Evan Hull for PT and have 1-2 games to prove his value, which at most is a 3rd down back. That's also Hull's likely future when Moss comes back.
And elevated Funk from the PS. Jackson's value goes up about 2%, as this was expected. He'll compete with rookie Evan Hull for PT and have 1-2 games to prove his value, which at most is a 3rd down back. That's also Hull's likely future when Moss comes back.
The Frankman
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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