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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (2 Viewers)
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He's on my bench and I'll be thrilled to see him score two touchdowns from there. It's really hard to take a stab at how Tennessee is going to split the load between him and Murray. I'd rather see two TDs on my bench than a 5 for 19 in my lineup.
ericttspikes
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I'm starting him over Blount in a dynasty league I have him in because my RBs are thin, but I agree with taking a cautious approach and see how he is used. Doesn't seem like the best match-up either.
Dope
Footballguy
I was thinking this also...maybe because I got Murray but missed out on Henry (because I was stupid) but this seems vaguesly similar to Tevin Coleman vs Devonta Freeman last season. Lots of pre-season talk about Coleman and not a lot about Freeman. And we see what happened there.
Don't get me wrong, there are more dissimilarities than not...it's just something that popped in my head. Again, prolly because I missed the DH train.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hey, B. Top-10 RB this year, yo.
bostonfred
Footballguy
How did you let him slide to 6.1?!?Todem said:
I might be playing him. I haven't done any research on Minny's D. With Zimmer I always assume very good D but someone said they weren't the best (run or pass?) and...I gotta look. I plan to start him against every tough D.
Hard earned yardage is totally to him and not Murray.
I don't much care for Thunder and Thunder. Murray is far fancier/shiftier and nowhere near as rugged. Murray's no thunder
It's a scary thought and likely true:
Titans' Derrick Henry on preseason: I could have played better
Titans' Derrick Henry on preseason: I could have played better
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Otis
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In the end it just comes down to whether you believe in his talent or not. Murray is a solid starter, but I think Henry is much more talented. I'm not sure when it will happen, but I would bet heavily on Henry having the majority of the work come FF playoff time this year. Situations change very fast in the NFL.
Situations do change very fast, for all the talk I've seen of the possibility of Murray getting hurt, Henry can get hurt just as easily as any other RB in the NFL, which would make him virtually useless this year and Murray's value skyrockets.
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Biabreakable
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Useless duplicate thread.
I just wanted to say the worst thing you can do when someone creates a redundant thread is to bump that thread. Nothing new or interesting said in the link above.
I just wanted to say the worst thing you can do when someone creates a redundant thread is to bump that thread. Nothing new or interesting said in the link above.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Last year I held onto David Johnson for half a season. He def had efficient weeks where, looking through the wrong end of the telescope, you'd feel like geez I should have started him - double digits in 4/5 games to start the year. But the volume wasn't there, only 21 touches in that span. You couldn't feel comfortable flexing him.
Sure enough, DJ went two months without another double digit game in PPR. Eventually, during a bye week crunch, I decided to drop him & roll through the ROS with Gurley, Stewart, and the resurregent D-Will. Worked out OK.
Then CJwhatever got hurt. I didn't have the WW priority to get him back. The second place team got him and went on a tear. In the semis he put up a 40 point monster. Thankfully he only had a good-not-great finals, and I survived for my 2nd title in three years.
As Commish, I got the 2016 rosters expanded to 18 (we also added another starter, now have 1-3-2-1-1 format.) Long story short: holding this guy regardless of usage. Too much potential to be a difference maker in the FF Playoffs.
Completely agree Murray - 8.1 YPC in the PS - is entrenched and should get the bulk of the work to start the year. However, Malarkey is much less inclined to pull an Arians and leave his best player collecting dust in the bench. I think it's more likely than the ARI RB situation a year ago that the rookie seizes the role.
Time will tell if Exotic Smashmouth is a temporary fad like the Wildcat. But looking at their personnel, do you really want the Titans to pin their hopes on that WR corps. I've read articles about why Delanie Walker's volume is unrepeatable and I'm like "yeah about that..."
Game flow, limited options and stacked boxes limited Gurley's effectiveness some weeks last year. Could definitely see that happening in TEN. I don't think that O-line is going to magically morph into an elite unit. But without question plan A is to run both these guys a ton. Even if he doesn't become the starter, I feel like Henry will get sufficient volume to be a solid flex option.
Sure enough, DJ went two months without another double digit game in PPR. Eventually, during a bye week crunch, I decided to drop him & roll through the ROS with Gurley, Stewart, and the resurregent D-Will. Worked out OK.
Then CJwhatever got hurt. I didn't have the WW priority to get him back. The second place team got him and went on a tear. In the semis he put up a 40 point monster. Thankfully he only had a good-not-great finals, and I survived for my 2nd title in three years.
As Commish, I got the 2016 rosters expanded to 18 (we also added another starter, now have 1-3-2-1-1 format.) Long story short: holding this guy regardless of usage. Too much potential to be a difference maker in the FF Playoffs.
Completely agree Murray - 8.1 YPC in the PS - is entrenched and should get the bulk of the work to start the year. However, Malarkey is much less inclined to pull an Arians and leave his best player collecting dust in the bench. I think it's more likely than the ARI RB situation a year ago that the rookie seizes the role.
Time will tell if Exotic Smashmouth is a temporary fad like the Wildcat. But looking at their personnel, do you really want the Titans to pin their hopes on that WR corps. I've read articles about why Delanie Walker's volume is unrepeatable and I'm like "yeah about that..."
Game flow, limited options and stacked boxes limited Gurley's effectiveness some weeks last year. Could definitely see that happening in TEN. I don't think that O-line is going to magically morph into an elite unit. But without question plan A is to run both these guys a ton. Even if he doesn't become the starter, I feel like Henry will get sufficient volume to be a solid flex option.
buck naked
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I will just start indexing the Henry threads in here. Most recent hawk taki's.
Anyone want to set an over/under for the number of Henry threads this year?
Anyone want to set an over/under for the number of Henry threads this year?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Flex? I loaded up on premium WRs and TE, and Derrick Henry is now my RB1 in redraft (which was RB22 in the overall draft).
Biabreakable
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msommer
Footballguy
From PK
"It's DeMarco," Mularkey said. "It's DeMarco, and when DeMarco needs a blow, it'll be Derrick. And maybe if I feel like we need a change of pace, I'll put Derrick [in]. ... They are going to both get opportunities for sure."
Mularkey said he's pleased with Henry's work.
"It's why we drafted him where we drafted him," he said. "It's why we [traded for] DeMarco. DeMarco is as good as I thought he was, too. So we're pretty fortunate. Nobody's shown that they are not capable of being pretty darn good for us."
"It's DeMarco," Mularkey said. "It's DeMarco, and when DeMarco needs a blow, it'll be Derrick. And maybe if I feel like we need a change of pace, I'll put Derrick [in]. ... They are going to both get opportunities for sure."
Mularkey said he's pleased with Henry's work.
"It's why we drafted him where we drafted him," he said. "It's why we [traded for] DeMarco. DeMarco is as good as I thought he was, too. So we're pretty fortunate. Nobody's shown that they are not capable of being pretty darn good for us."
tombonneau
Footballguy
So haven't watched much of Titans nor see Henry highlights. How is he looking? Seems like he is getting slightly more than backup carries/catches but not even close to 50/50 as it's the DeMarco Show.
But could he be primed for breakout week vs the offensive Oakland defense?
But could he be primed for breakout week vs the offensive Oakland defense?
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Skoo
Footballguy
I haven't watched but supposedly Henry looks better than Murray running the ball. You can see that Murray is doing all his damage in the passing game as opposed to racking up 100+ yards rushing.
I was actually considering throwing him in there this week against Oakland and hope he gets his first TD. I'd rather wait and see but I'm not sure I can stomach messing with the Seattle backfield for another week.
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Where does crap like this come from? Henry hasn't looked better than Murray. I can't recall if it was this thread where I posted that I have Murray in two off my three leagues (have Henry in 2 as well) and I think he's going to be one of the SODs. I saw posts about Henry taking over sooner rather than later because of preseason carries. I watched every snap of the Panthers vs. Titans in preseason. Henry got stuffed every time against our first D and then he had some nice runs against some guys who didn't make the team. I am not throwing shade on Henry, he could develop into a solid NFL RB, but he's a rookie and his preseason carries against backups got him a lot of good press, but it didn't tell the whole story.
By the way, real facts:
Murray: 25 carries, 131 yards, 5.2 ypc, 12 receptions, 91 yards, 2 TDs
Henry: 14 carries, 43 yards, 3.1 ypc, 3 receptions, 50 yards, 0 TDs
Since when does 3.1 ypc look better than 5.2 ypc. Murray has looked better than Henry in both games, period and he is getting a lot of love from Mariota in the passing game. That is what you need, because he only had 13-42 rushing against a solid Minny D (Henry was 5 carries for 3 yards), but against the Lions he was 12-89. In my PPR leagues Murray is RB4. If you picked up Henry hoping that he'd be the top RB on the team, you bought the wrong ticket for 2016. Henry will continue to get touches, but barring injury
knocksonwood
, Murray will be a great pick after a horrible year in Philly.I have shares of both in a couple leagues. Generally speaking you are correct. That said, Henry has also had 2 runs called back that went more than 25 yards. His ypc looks a lot better if those plays hold up.Where does crap like this come from? Henry hasn't looked better than Murray. I can't recall if it was this thread where I posted that I have Murray in two off my three leagues (have Henry in 2 as well) and I think he's going to be one of the SODs. I saw posts about Henry taking over sooner rather than later because of preseason carries. I watched every snap of the Panthers vs. Titans in preseason. Henry got stuffed every time against our first D and then he had some nice runs against some guys who didn't make the team. I am not throwing shade on Henry, he could develop into a solid NFL RB, but he's a rookie and his preseason carries against backups got him a lot of good press, but it didn't tell the whole story.
By the way, real facts:
Murray: 25 carries, 131 yards, 5.2 ypc, 12 receptions, 91 yards, 2 TDs
Henry: 14 carries, 43 yards, 3.1 ypc, 3 receptions, 50 yards, 0 TDs
Since when does 3.1 ypc look better than 5.2 ypc. Murray has looked better than Henry in both games, period and he is getting a lot of love from Mariota in the passing game. That is what you need, because he only had 13-42 rushing against a solid Minny D (Henry was 5 carries for 3 yards), but against the Lions he was 12-89. In my PPR leagues Murray is RB4. If you picked up Henry hoping that he'd be the top RB on the team, you bought the wrong ticket for 2016. Henry will continue to get touches, but barring injury
He is running well, and more importantly, catching the ball. He's going to continue to get more opportunities as the year progresses, but right now it is the Demarco show.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Yeah, from everything I've read Demarco is the man and is looking like a real steal. I'm just hopeful that they will run enough that Henry will have spot play value as RB2. And frankly if he is going to have any of that value it'll be in a week like this vs. a bad Oakland D.Where does crap like this come from? Henry hasn't looked better than Murray. I can't recall if it was this thread where I posted that I have Murray in two off my three leagues (have Henry in 2 as well) and I think he's going to be one of the SODs. I saw posts about Henry taking over sooner rather than later because of preseason carries. I watched every snap of the Panthers vs. Titans in preseason. Henry got stuffed every time against our first D and then he had some nice runs against some guys who didn't make the team. I am not throwing shade on Henry, he could develop into a solid NFL RB, but he's a rookie and his preseason carries against backups got him a lot of good press, but it didn't tell the whole story.
By the way, real facts:
Murray: 25 carries, 131 yards, 5.2 ypc, 12 receptions, 91 yards, 2 TDs
Henry: 14 carries, 43 yards, 3.1 ypc, 3 receptions, 50 yards, 0 TDs
Since when does 3.1 ypc look better than 5.2 ypc. Murray has looked better than Henry in both games, period and he is getting a lot of love from Mariota in the passing game. That is what you need, because he only had 13-42 rushing against a solid Minny D (Henry was 5 carries for 3 yards), but against the Lions he was 12-89. In my PPR leagues Murray is RB4. If you picked up Henry hoping that he'd be the top RB on the team, you bought the wrong ticket for 2016. Henry will continue to get touches, but barring injury
Because I'm with you @Skoo I've seen enough of the Seattle backfield for now and am ready to roll the dice this week with Henry.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
someone dropped him last week, I was able to snag him, wanted him on Draft day, so I will sit tight for awhile and let this develop some more. I think the guy is a special talent and given the opportunity, he could be a season changer.
Murray has been excellent where they need him, where the game is dictating that they use him. If he could get 20 yards on a catch, why bother with a 4 yard run?
Henry hasn't looked good.
As someone else said, Henry did look good on a run or two that were called back.
In week one, he had a catch and run which was a bad play call as he had two guys on him, but he ran to the opposite field and made it work. It was more luck (or his skill) than a good play.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Like I said in the Sharpe thread after week one, you haven't seen the Titans O yet and week two was very different than week one.
After halftime of week one, the Titans made dunderhead mistakes and gave the ball away for almost the entire second half. I think two fumbles and two INTs. No one on offense could do well-they were on the field for such a brief time.
So the week two O included a whole bunch of Delanie. You had to know that was coming and that that is here to stay.
We haven't seen smashmouth O yet. They have not carried the rock often at all. As I understand it, this is on Mariota. (Remember this is the first year he has free reign to change plays at the LOS) The D is in a base defense and they are calling run plays, but Mariota sees something and changes it. Mularkey has been thrilled with the changes. He's downright gushing about Mariota's ability to learn and recognize things. I think maybe they'll need to talk about having a few predictable runs up the gut, just because. Mariota might also need to learn that he has to hit some WR just to wake him up a little-the way a lot of teams throw their first pass to their main guy.
To go a step further- the Titans OL was garbage the last two years and they are better now. Warmack is out for the year, but Kline should be an improvement there too. Mariota got "killed" behind that OL. I am totally OK with his gut telling him to change the play. Last week (assumption) he didn't care for their slot CB. He shifted DeMarco or Delanie to be on that guy often.
If you look at the snap counts, week two was different than week one. Henry is in a little more, Murray a little less. I wanna say 75% of plays for Murray and 30% for Henry.
Here https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/titans-snap-counts-week-one-201822663.html
The Titans have an excellent FB. He has only played maybe 10 snaps a week. Last season he was the preseason darling and barely used after a muffed last ditch scoring attempt. Mularkey has said over and over he will be utilized. He is Henry's college FB also. Those two were roommates in camp and there's a whole thing there. If Fowler plays more, it's good for Henry.
Fowler can catch the rock and shift to the slot. This is another layer for them to add.
When Wright returns, that's another layer too.
Mularkey absolutely gushes about Mariota. On the radio he said he hasn't made one mistake with his audibles and is just blown away by a 2nd year guy doing that. I think it's very possible that they are adding these layers slowly in a way to keep Mariota perfect on his adjustments. Not too much, not too little, just a bit more each week so the young QB is comfy. He seems to have figured out when he can use Andre and the Colts couldn't. He seemed to use Delanie perfectly. I don't much care for Douglas but yeah he's been effective at times. I think you're waiting on Mariota to develop a bit in a brand new offense.
The Vikings and Lions have had nice DLs. The Raiders have a nice DL and Mack who is almost literally everywhere. If you're Mariota, are you sticking with a run play against Mack and co? I'm not sure if this week is much different. They have the schedule to match their worst team in 2015 record. The lesser teams are coming, but for now they keep facing pretty sound DLs.
I think the Colts D looks like total garbage and the injuries make them worse. I'll be curious what Mariota calls against a D that they can do practically whatever they want against. They have them twice. The Texans are coming. I didn't see injured JJ Watt and if he is the same beast he always is. The last two years they have destroyed the Titans with their ILB being mercy-less up the middle. He was always there and I actually thought he was a DT for half a game. The Titans aren't weak in the interior OL anymore so we don't know how the Texans will adjust. When the Texans play teams with a real OL, their DEs are sometimes too fast where the RB can run around the corner on them. I'm not going to bet against Watt, but theoretically Murray would totally thrive if that's the case. The Jags are full of overpursuit and poorly placed defenders. They're loaded on D but playing like garbage. They play the Browns who weren't good to start and manage to lose a few players every week to injury.
The Titans do have weaker teams coming. I don't think this week is the week Mariota changes to sticking with the run calls. The Raiders are too solid on the DL and a new starting RG might have him questioning the play's effectiveness.
The Raiders signed Smith from KC. An excellent CB in KC but he's been terrible for the Raiders. They benched him. I guess we'll see how much he plays. The Titans picked on him in preseason and were given almost no reason to do anything different. I don't know how a top CB becomes a stinker but the Titans will surely go at him til he proves himself again. If he is back to starting, then it will be a whole lot of Sharpe this week. If he is not, then I guess we'll see.
That's fine. I don't disagree. Call it his skill. Like I said, he had two guys on him when he caught it. He had to make something out of nothing. They gotta set him up better than that. To be honest, I don't think it was a good decision by Mariota. It worked out, but why throw it to a RB double-covered? It worked, so I guess it was a fine decision, but...just one of those things.
I assume Kline can run some. You would know as a Pats fan. As underwhelming as Warmack has been his whole career, he is still arguably the most athletic G in football and it is obvious why he was a top 10 pick. Does Kline have the legs to get out in the run game like Warmack did? If he doesn't, they might need to adjust some by adding the FB or the ugh 3rd TE.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I agree with this. But as a predictor of future success i am more interested in henry, who i think is one of the most talented backs in the nfl, making something out of nothing.Bri said:
Some people were pointing to week 1 as a bad performance because he had 5 rushes for 3 yards. They missed that he had a long run of 25ish called back on penalty, plus 2 catches including the one i linked above for 41 yards. And this catch was 100% him making something out of nothing. Big backs just don't do this.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Anyone have a Murray voodoo doll for purchase?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I think with the eay week 2 went across the league injury wise dhenry will get his turn....
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Matt Franciscovich says that Derrick Henry will break out Sunday.
He makes the point that DeMarco Murray hasn't been effective and then shows the Raider defense is suspect against the run and feels Henry will make his move this week and take control of the backfield this week.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000707469/article/derrick-henry-poised-for-a-fantasy-breakout-in-week-3?campaign=tw-fa-sf36699524-sf36699524
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The majority of Murray's rushing yardage came on a 67-yard run, as he managed just 2.0 yards per carry outside of that play
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Ok...
Henry has ben inefficient thus far with his rushes even if you count his longest run. If you do take out his longest run (9 yds) his ypc is 2.6.
Murray only has 11 more carries than Henry. Not like Murray has 40 carries at 3ypc and Henry has 8 carries at 5ypc here. Not looking to slow the hype train here (I own both and would prefer Henry take over for better long term value) but the entire Titans run game, Henry included, has been pretty ineffective outside of Murray's big run.
Henry has ben inefficient thus far with his rushes even if you count his longest run. If you do take out his longest run (9 yds) his ypc is 2.6.
Murray only has 11 more carries than Henry. Not like Murray has 40 carries at 3ypc and Henry has 8 carries at 5ypc here. Not looking to slow the hype train here (I own both and would prefer Henry take over for better long term value) but the entire Titans run game, Henry included, has been pretty ineffective outside of Murray's big run.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
That is some twisted logic for sure.
You can talk yourself into anything with that kind of reasoning.
You can talk yourself into anything with that kind of reasoning.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Why do you think this is? I thought they had the makings of a pretty strong run blocking offensive line especially with the addition of the first round lineman. I haven't been watching nor do I won any of the Titan RBs but traded away Murray because I felt that Henry would eventually supplant him at some point this year.
I am not sure when it happens but was only sharing Franciscovich 's story because he is someone who I recently have begun to notice as having 'decent' takes.
He mentions a lot of passing yardage then Henry. Rushing wise, they are in a middle group where 15-25 yards per game represent a major chunk of the NFL. (As such when stats are only two weeks in) Going off stats that's 112 yards divided between Henry and MurrayBracie Smathers said:
