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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (7 Viewers)

The Ravens have a ton of contract restructuring to do. This is the first domino. Jackson carries a $75mm cap hit next year. All of their rostered TEs are on their final contract years. Kyle Hamilton and Tyler Linderbaum are up for extensions. I think Marlon Humphrey's contract has a year or two left and will need to be revised as he's carrying a big cap hit.

Anyway, in regards to Henry....... I'd ride him until he proves he can't do it anymore. Baltimore's the perfect offense for him.
 
dudes a machine. he has more years left in him
325/1920/16 TDs, 2,100+ total yds

Anyone notice his yds per carry went from a little over 4 to almost 6 yds a clip?
Baltimore's OG positions are in a bit of flux going into 2025 with losing Mekari (who was excellent and hurt to lose; glad he got paid, though). OTs & C are set, barring injury. I don't know if Henry can do 5.9 ypc again, but who the hell knows with that guy? He's apparently got body science down to a....well...science.
 
Derrick Henry is the best available RB at #5 on my board for a redraft league. There is a discount for offering a multi-year deal with the bid. I’m pondering his possible productivity in 2026. FBG is projecting 1675 yards from scrimmage and 14 TDs. He’s signed through 2027 with an $30m deal. Anyone have any thoughts on his productivity in 2026?
 
What's his value in non-ppr dynasty these days? I'm in rebuild mode on a team I just took over. Already sold CMC for the 1.05 (Took Kaleb) and Zay Flowers
 
What's his value in non-ppr dynasty these days? I'm in rebuild mode on a team I just took over. Already sold CMC for the 1.05 (Took Kaleb) and Zay Flowers
How much of a rebuild could it have been with CMC and Henry?

You should be able to get a comparable deal for Henry, especially in non-PPR.
Would be tough to do keeping both CMC & Henry. Still no takers in Henry. Only 1 guy was interested and he kept trying to guve me Kittle, Najee & Addison for Henry & Pickens.

Hard pass. I sold Pickens for Mcbride.
 
What's his value in non-ppr dynasty these days? I'm in rebuild mode on a team I just took over. Already sold CMC for the 1.05 (Took Kaleb) and Zay Flowers
How much of a rebuild could it have been with CMC and Henry?

You should be able to get a comparable deal for Henry, especially in non-PPR.
Would be tough to do keeping both CMC & Henry. Still no takers in Henry. Only 1 guy was interested and he kept trying to guve me Kittle, Najee & Addison for Henry & Pickens.

Hard pass. I sold Pickens for Mcbride.
Getting McBride for Pickens is gold.
 
Disappointing. Ended the regular season with no passing TDs. Can he no longer make these plays or are they just saving him for the playoffs? /s

Besides the precipitous fall in throwing attempts, his other stats were pretty good:

325 carries / 1921 yards / 16 TDs
19 receptions / 193 yards / 2 TDs

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Put himself into the Hall of Fame IMO
He's the best RB of the last 20 years in my opinion, and arguably still the best right now.
Typical RB rules of longevity don’t apply to this guy.
longevity rules apply to everyone eventually.

with RB its usually a career ending injury partway through the season. occasionally its slowdown due to an accumulation of injuries.

in Henry's case hes been remarkably durable so it wont be an accumulation of injuries.

hes likely slower than he was. but speed has never really been his game. He's a power runner whose superpower has always been that hes really tough to tackle. he breaks tackles quite easily compared to most.

as long as the line in front of him opens holes, he will continue to put up decent yardage. I dont see a repeat of last years numbers. that's asking a lot for a guy on the wrong side of the age of 30. but I can see him still being a top 10 RB (assuming good health)
 
Disappointing. Ended the regular season with no passing TDs. Can he no longer make these plays or are they just saving him for the playoffs? /s

Besides the precipitous fall in throwing attempts, his other stats were pretty good:

325 carries / 1921 yards / 16 TDs
19 receptions / 193 yards / 2 TDs

👑
Put himself into the Hall of Fame IMO
He's the best RB of the last 20 years in my opinion, and arguably still the best right now.
Typical RB rules of longevity don’t apply to this guy.
longevity rules apply to everyone eventually.

with RB its usually a career ending injury partway through the season. occasionally its slowdown due to an accumulation of injuries.

in Henry's case hes been remarkably durable so it wont be an accumulation of injuries.

hes likely slower than he was. but speed has never really been his game. He's a power runner whose superpower has always been that hes really tough to tackle. he breaks tackles quite easily compared to most.

as long as the line in front of him opens holes, he will continue to put up decent yardage. I dont see a repeat of last years numbers. that's asking a lot for a guy on the wrong side of the age of 30. but I can see him still being a top 10 RB (assuming good health)
His game is a little bit speed though. When he gets into the open field, he can fly. He hit 21.2 mph last year. That is the 8th fastest speed recorded since the NFL began tracking 8 years ago. Only Tyreek has moe plays over 20 mph in the NFL.
 
Disappointing. Ended the regular season with no passing TDs. Can he no longer make these plays or are they just saving him for the playoffs? /s

Besides the precipitous fall in throwing attempts, his other stats were pretty good:

325 carries / 1921 yards / 16 TDs
19 receptions / 193 yards / 2 TDs

👑
Put himself into the Hall of Fame IMO
He's the best RB of the last 20 years in my opinion, and arguably still the best right now.
Typical RB rules of longevity don’t apply to this guy.
longevity rules apply to everyone eventually.

with RB its usually a career ending injury partway through the season. occasionally its slowdown due to an accumulation of injuries.

in Henry's case hes been remarkably durable so it wont be an accumulation of injuries.

hes likely slower than he was. but speed has never really been his game. He's a power runner whose superpower has always been that hes really tough to tackle. he breaks tackles quite easily compared to most.

as long as the line in front of him opens holes, he will continue to put up decent yardage. I dont see a repeat of last years numbers. that's asking a lot for a guy on the wrong side of the age of 30. but I can see him still being a top 10 RB (assuming good health)
His game is a little bit speed though. When he gets into the open field, he can fly. He hit 21.2 mph last year. That is the 8th fastest speed recorded since the NFL began tracking 8 years ago. Only Tyreek has moe plays over 20 mph in the NFL.
Henry had 3 or 4 (can't recall) plays where he went over 20 mph last year according to one of the broadcasts late in the season. I wouldn't worry about his speed sans injury.
 
Maybe the differentiation between speed and quickness is useful here.

You can certainly, in an instant, lose a bit of that quickness with a serious injury, the stop start, the lateral movement. Not a huge part of his game though.

His top end straight line speed will have already declined somewhat, hard to imagine he loses it abruptly regardless of what injury comes his way.
 
What's his value in non-ppr dynasty these days? I'm in rebuild mode on a team I just took over. Already sold CMC for the 1.05 (Took Kaleb) and Zay Flowers
has to be worth a 1st to a contender, right?
One would think, but I never got an offer close lol
It's going to be very league/situation dependent IMO. He basically has 0 value to a non-contender. So yeah, you need an obvious championship contender, probably someone who was within a game or two last year. But you also need them to be weak at RB. Most leagues are start two, so if they have two there isn't a huge incentive to grab Henry.

Also most people also over value their own rosters until smacked in the face with contradicting information. So here in August, even a contender with a weaker RB stable is going to be wearing rose tinted glasses thinking their unsigned RB will sign, their aging vet will return to former glory, their newly drafted rookie RB will soar up the depth chart and take over the backfield, etc. Until they know for a fact that isn't happening, they aren't giving up a 1st round pick for a guy who is year for year and realistically already defeating the odds by being a statistical outlier. Henry is a hot potato and no one wants to be the guy holding it when the music stops unless they are sure they need him and that he will make a difference to their roster; especially for a 1st round pick even if it is late.

He's an in-season trade candidate when situations are clearer and more defined for your leagues.
 
In 1983, Walter Payton entered his 9th season in the NFL at age 29.

1983 - 16 GMs 314/1421/6 & 53/607/2 (20.0 PPR FF points per game)
1984 - 16 GMs 384/1684/11 & 45/368 at age 30 (20.4)
1985 - 16 GMs 324/1551/9 & 49/483/2 at age 31 (20.5)
1986 - 16 GMs 321/1333/8 & 37/382/3 at age 32 (17.2)

6 pass TDs during that span as well

Payton was listed at 5'10" 200lbs

Longevity has as much to do with talent as it does with physical health. Borderline JAGs or even solid RBs aren't going to have enough talent to convince coaches/GMs they can get past the 28 year old wall (I am pretty sure 28 is still considered the statistical cliff).

Elite HOF RBs on the other hand... they're going to keep getting chances. Not only is Henry one of the most talented RBs ever, he is one of the very best athletes at the position ever. But yes the end must come at some point. FWIW and obviously not apples to apples here but going into his age 31 season in 1985 Walter had 3423 career touches. Going into this season right now, Henry has 2529.

TLDR anything is possible. The cliff will come and nobody should be surprised when it does. But nobody should be surprised if he crushes souls for another couple years.
 
Disappointing. Ended the regular season with no passing TDs. Can he no longer make these plays or are they just saving him for the playoffs? /s

Besides the precipitous fall in throwing attempts, his other stats were pretty good:

325 carries / 1921 yards / 16 TDs
19 receptions / 193 yards / 2 TDs

👑
Put himself into the Hall of Fame IMO
He's the best RB of the last 20 years in my opinion, and arguably still the best right now.
Typical RB rules of longevity don’t apply to this guy.
longevity rules apply to everyone eventually.

with RB its usually a career ending injury partway through the season. occasionally its slowdown due to an accumulation of injuries.

in Henry's case hes been remarkably durable so it wont be an accumulation of injuries.

hes likely slower than he was. but speed has never really been his game. He's a power runner whose superpower has always been that hes really tough to tackle. he breaks tackles quite easily compared to most.

as long as the line in front of him opens holes, he will continue to put up decent yardage. I dont see a repeat of last years numbers. that's asking a lot for a guy on the wrong side of the age of 30. but I can see him still being a top 10 RB (assuming good health)
His game is a little bit speed though. When he gets into the open field, he can fly. He hit 21.2 mph last year. That is the 8th fastest speed recorded since the NFL began tracking 8 years ago. Only Tyreek has moe plays over 20 mph in the NFL.
Henry had 3 or 4 (can't recall) plays where he went over 20 mph last year according to one of the broadcasts late in the season. I wouldn't worry about his speed sans injury.
well, that may be true, but you also have to account for the fact hes a bit older too. That is an impressive stat. wasnt aware of that. I guess that makes me consider him a little less risky than I thought. but still, historically not many RB's have been productive past the age of 30 so the odds are not entirely in his favor.

I still think hes worth the risk at his ADP. I think ADP wise hes going around the turn between round 1 and 2. either just before or just after. and I think that's fair. if he was 28 and had that kind of season he'd be going top 3 overall, so In this case I do believe the ADP is doing an adequate job of showing the additional risk in taking him (which does not always happen)
 
Disappointing. Ended the regular season with no passing TDs. Can he no longer make these plays or are they just saving him for the playoffs? /s

Besides the precipitous fall in throwing attempts, his other stats were pretty good:

325 carries / 1921 yards / 16 TDs
19 receptions / 193 yards / 2 TDs

👑
Put himself into the Hall of Fame IMO
He's the best RB of the last 20 years in my opinion, and arguably still the best right now.
Typical RB rules of longevity don’t apply to this guy.
longevity rules apply to everyone eventually.

with RB its usually a career ending injury partway through the season. occasionally its slowdown due to an accumulation of injuries.

in Henry's case hes been remarkably durable so it wont be an accumulation of injuries.

hes likely slower than he was. but speed has never really been his game. He's a power runner whose superpower has always been that hes really tough to tackle. he breaks tackles quite easily compared to most.

as long as the line in front of him opens holes, he will continue to put up decent yardage. I dont see a repeat of last years numbers. that's asking a lot for a guy on the wrong side of the age of 30. but I can see him still being a top 10 RB (assuming good health)
His game is a little bit speed though. When he gets into the open field, he can fly. He hit 21.2 mph last year. That is the 8th fastest speed recorded since the NFL began tracking 8 years ago. Only Tyreek has moe plays over 20 mph in the NFL.
Henry had 3 or 4 (can't recall) plays where he went over 20 mph last year according to one of the broadcasts late in the season. I wouldn't worry about his speed sans injury.
well, that may be true, but you also have to account for the fact hes a bit older too. That is an impressive stat. wasnt aware of that. I guess that makes me consider him a little less risky than I thought. but still, historically not many RB's have been productive past the age of 30 so the odds are not entirely in his favor.

I still think hes worth the risk at his ADP. I think ADP wise hes going around the turn between round 1 and 2. either just before or just after. and I think that's fair. if he was 28 and had that kind of season he'd be going top 3 overall, so In this case I do believe the ADP is doing an adequate job of showing the additional risk in taking him (which does not always happen)
I don't the links handy but they probably aren't hard to find. If you look at backs in their age 31 season also had RB1 level seasons at age 30, the results are actually very good. The age 32 season is a disaster but age 31 they mostly still shine.
 
I’m trying to understand his ranking. In our scoring (5 point bonus for 100 yards, 1/2 point PPR) he was RB2. I think 14 points behind Saquon. FBG had him at RB4 last year (probably full PPR). He ran away from CB’s all year and was one of the fastest in the league once he got to the second level. He’s on a perfect offense for him as nobody can stack the line vs Lamar. He’s a physical specimen. Takes care of himself. I know Father Time is undefeated, eventually. But why now? Who has seen ANY sign of him slowing down?

I think it’s crazy people are putting him in the second round. Jeanty over him? Really? Do you really think Jeanty has a shot for 2,000 yards and 20 TD’s on the Raiders? To me he’s after maybe Bijan and Gibbs because of their youth (Henry scored more than both last year) but that’s it. I expect Saquon to drop off with the volume he had. Let people pass on him. I’m all over Henry and will build my team around him again
 
My initial pass projection for him is 309/1499/14 with 16/177/0 receiving
306/1380.5/15.6 with 18.4/148.3/1.4. I have him RB6 but essentially tied with Achane and Barkley. Bijan/Gibbs/CMC well above.
Basically the same. That makes me feel a little more confident. Why the lower YPC?
5.9 was a career best. I nerfed him back closer to his 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 from the previous 3 years/ basically much closer to league average. Initially based on some concerns on the OL but I haven't really been that careful with tracking the OL. Maybe it's closer to where you have him.
 
I have the 9th pick and I think the decision is going to come down to Henry or Jeanty. It's pretty difficult not selecting Henry due to his elite track record and being on an elite O. However I love how Jeanty is going to be utilized a lot in the passing game and is on an O that should be built around him.

I just am so skeptical of the volume DH has had and his age. Do folks see him having another elite year at age 31?
 
My initial pass projection for him is 309/1499/14 with 16/177/0 receiving
306/1380.5/15.6 with 18.4/148.3/1.4. I have him RB6 but essentially tied with Achane and Barkley. Bijan/Gibbs/CMC well above.
Basically the same. That makes me feel a little more confident. Why the lower YPC?
5.9 was a career best. I nerfed him back closer to his 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 from the previous 3 years/ basically much closer to league average. Initially based on some concerns on the OL but I haven't really been that careful with tracking the OL. Maybe it's closer to where you have him.
I'd be surprised if Henry finishes much lower than 5.0 YPC in that offense.

As for the OL, the starters are set and all are at least "good". But they are paper-thin behind them, at least as far as known quantities.
 
I have the 9th pick and I think the decision is going to come down to Henry or Jeanty. It's pretty difficult not selecting Henry due to his elite track record and being on an elite O. However I love how Jeanty is going to be utilized a lot in the passing game and is on an O that should be built around him.

I just am so skeptical of the volume DH has had and his age. Do folks see him having another elite year at age 31?
There is nothing to indicate he was slowing down last year. Lamar should guarantee he sees lots of running lanes and has lots of RZ opportunities.
 
Is Henry/Jeanty really a debate? In redraft? I'm assuming PPR, but still...

We know Jeanty is going to get a lot of touches, but the PPR part of his equation has a wide range of outcomes. We also don't know how good Jeanty is...or if he's even good. Good prospect, but that offense also has a wide range of outcomes (and the low end is pretty ugly).
 
It is interesting to read all of the varying opinions and thoughts on Henry and his prospects this year.
 
Is Henry/Jeanty really a debate? In redraft? I'm assuming PPR, but still...

We know Jeanty is going to get a lot of touches, but the PPR part of his equation has a wide range of outcomes. We also don't know how good Jeanty is...or if he's even good. Good prospect, but that offense also has a wide range of outcomes (and the low end is pretty ugly).
It is an easy decision for me in redraft to take Henry over Jeanty, but strangely enough I have them back to back. So that is my tier break after Henry.
 
Is Henry/Jeanty really a debate? In redraft? I'm assuming PPR, but still...

We know Jeanty is going to get a lot of touches, but the PPR part of his equation has a wide range of outcomes. We also don't know how good Jeanty is...or if he's even good. Good prospect, but that offense also has a wide range of outcomes (and the low end is pretty ugly).
It is an easy decision for me in redraft to take Henry over Jeanty, but strangely enough I have them back to back. So that is my tier break after Henry.
And what about Henry/CMC ?
 
His yds per carry jumped up, that's the key to me, there was discussion about the OL and some changes they have.
Every one of their starting OL appears like they were drafted by the Ravens, seems like they know what they are doing or they know who they want coming out of school
They don't just spend money on it during free agency, that's expensive, they use those resources elsewhere

The Ravens should have gone to the Super Bowl last year, they are a juggernaut of an offense with 2 lethal runners ling up behind Center, defenses don't know what to do
I see the ravens winning a lot of football games this year, they are going to have leads where they want to run and Henry in the 4th Q is a major advantage for them as teams tire out
325-1,921 on the ground last season, that's about 18-20 steady carries a week, sometimes he gets a few more and some weeks when they are clobbering teams you might not see him as much in the 2nd Half/4th Q, but overall he is the most reliable things they have on offense, he makes problems go away

100 yds and a TD almost every week, you can count on it
He just doesn't get too involved in the passing game so it's almost all on the ground
 
My initial pass projection for him is 309/1499/14 with 16/177/0 receiving
306/1380.5/15.6 with 18.4/148.3/1.4. I have him RB6 but essentially tied with Achane and Barkley. Bijan/Gibbs/CMC well above.
Basically the same. That makes me feel a little more confident. Why the lower YPC?
5.9 was a career best. I nerfed him back closer to his 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 from the previous 3 years/ basically much closer to league average. Initially based on some concerns on the OL but I haven't really been that careful with tracking the OL. Maybe it's closer to where you have him.
I'd be surprised if Henry finishes much lower than 5.0 YPC in that offense.

As for the OL, the starters are set and all are at least "good". But they are paper-thin behind them, at least as far as known quantities.
Agree, looking at his Titans numbers is the same mistake some people made last season. Lamar's presence is probably worth close to a full yard per carry by himself.

Hell, Gus Edwards hit 5 YPC most of the time with Lamar.
 
I’m at 1.7 in my long time, 0.5ppr league and I’ll grab Henry (before Jeanty and CMC) if he’s there.
I am at 1.08 in my long time 0.5 PPR league and I keep debating between Henry and CMC as well. I won't take Jeanty before either of them though. And there is that little voice in the back of my head whispering "Nabers" to muck up my decison-making process. LOL
 

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