RB Derrius Guice, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

[Biabreakable]

I think his 3 year transition that had its share of rough patches wouldn’t have happened. If he produced like he did in year one as he did last year it would be near impossible for you to trade for him in dynasty going into next year, given his athletic measurables. If a team like the 49ers gets ahold of him, I think he has the potential to be a top 5 redraft back in ‘18... anyway, back to Guice.

I have seen improvement from McKinnon in pass protection every single season. He has gotten to the point where he is actually very good at pass protection now. He has gotten a bit better in this area every season.

As a route runner he was very raw as a rookie. He has shown improvement in this area every season as well. I think he still needs improvement as a route runner and maybe he will still continue to get better there. He was not a good receiver early on in his career at all even though he has been touted for that role and compared to Darren Sproles since he was a rookie. He isn't Darren Sproles as a receiver yet. He has gotten better each season I think though.

As a runner I think he has improved some as well. I think he still lacks vision to see cut back lanes at times. This is somewhat related to his ability as a receiver as well. He just doesn't always have good spatial awareness that other players do. To be in the right place at the right time in order to maximize the play. There is no denying his physical ability, he just doesn't process what he is seeing quick enough to take full advantage of his athletic ability.

One of the things he has been coaches on is getting yards after contact. He has improved in this are of focus by the coaches.

Just some examples of how McKinnon has developed from college and while in the pros. He has gotten better every year and he is actually a very good RB in my opinion. I thought and still think he is a better RB than Latavius Murray for example.

Players do not always improve once they reach the pro level. I listed to Peterson talk about getting better as a receiver and blocker his whole career. No denying that Adrian Peterson has a great work ethic, but despite his efforts, he always had weaknesses in these areas that didn't improve. He did fix his issue with fumbling for the most part though.

It is hard to judge McKinnon from his performance in 2016 because the Vikings offensive line was historically bad that season. No RB was doing well behind that line including Peterson when he healthy briefly that year.

 

[Biabreakable]

Guice looks like Darren McFadden to me in his running style. Upright, running for contact. I expect some injuries during his career. Hard to ignore the production. I think he probably rates below Chubb, Penny and Michel for me right now though.

I am going to strongly disagree with your observation about his running style.

Are you referring to how he runs in games? Or are you talking about watching him run drills just now?

I still have a lot of players to chart but Guice has the highest rating in pad level of all the RB I have charted so far. It is his second best trait behind vision.

Not like McFadden at all.

He does run for contact. He is more elusive than Leonard Fournette in my opinion but this is one of his weakest traits. He is more of a inside the tackles power runner with good footwork.

He grades out much better than Chubb in my charting. Chubb has been one of the most disappointing players I have charted 10 games for. I have not charted any 2015 games of Chubb however, which likely are better games for him.

Samajae Perine played a lot better in 2014 than the next two seasons also. 2014 did not seem to help him once he got to the NFL. The most recent season is likely the most relevant. Playes do change over time. Some times they get better, some times they get worse.

 

[Concept Coop]

I am going to strongly disagree with your observation about his running style.

Are you referring to how he runs in games? Or are you talking about watching him run drills just now?

I still have a lot of players to chart but Guice has the highest rating in pad level of all the RB I have charted so far. It is his second best trait behind vision.

Not like McFadden at all.

He does run for contact. He is more elusive than Leonard Fournette in my opinion but this is one of his weakest traits. He is more of a inside the tackles power runner with good footwork.

He grades out much better than Chubb in my charting. Chubb has been one of the most disappointing players I have charted 10 games for. I have not charted any 2015 games of Chubb however, which likely are better games for him.

I agree with this.  Guice reminds me of Gore or Ajayi, depending on the run.  Pad level will not be an issue for him, to say the least. 

 

[Biabreakable]

I agree with this.  Guice reminds me of Gore or Ajayi, depending on the run.  Pad level will not be an issue for him, to say the least. 

To be fair I did throw out Guices worst game that I watched of his in the final sample. Something I haven't been able to do with some of the other RB I am comparing him to yet, but should if I can to make that more fair.

I am struggling to find 10 games for a lot of these guys as it is though. Just something I have to remember though is that I did throw out Guices worst game I charted. I think that was against Auburn in 2016.

Lots of RB seem to have bad games against Auburn.

 

[Concept Coop]

To be fair I did throw out Guices worst game that I watched of his in the final sample. Something I haven't been able to do with some of the other RB I am comparing him to yet, but should if I can to make that more fair.

I am struggling to find 10 games for a lot of these guys as it is though. Just something I have to remember though is that I did throw out Guices worst game I charted. I think that was against Auburn in 2016.

Lots of RB seem to have bad games against Auburn.

Are you going to release your final grades?  And if so, when do you expect to?

 

[Biabreakable]

Are you going to release your final grades?  And if so, when do you expect to?

Sure.

Not soon unless I can find a way to clone myself.

 

[Biabreakable]

I don't think that there is one ideal size. The way that I've set things up, heavier is always better (as long as you do just as well in the drills - the bad thing about adding weight is that it slows you down, and that will show up in the workouts on Friday). But adding more weight helps less and less; going from 200 to 210 matters a lot, and going from 215 to 225 doesn't matter nearly as much. So Barkley, Freeman, Chubb, Guice, and Penny all have really good size. My guess is that arm length is basically irrelevant for RBs, although I haven't looked into that.

Maybe ideal isn't the right word for the way I am trying to look at the player size.

The way I think to answer the question of what size of RB are successful that you can find what that average size is. Then you can look at the percentage of successful RB that are an inch more or less than that average, and that the success rate of the players near the average will be more frequent than the players who are perhaps 4 or more inches, 20 or more pounds from the average being the outliers and what the success rate of those players is, it will be a lower success rate just based on the nature of these averages.

This process should lead to where the cut offs might be in terms of a player being too short or too tall, too light or too heavy.

 

[Faust]

Dolphins beat writer Armando Salguero says Miami likes LSU RB Derrius Guice "a lot."

Guice produced a 4.49 forty during Friday's Combine activities as well as a 31.5-inch vertical but elected to skip the other events. Guice's 2017 was a lost season due to a thigh bruise, but he finished strong and has plenty of top tape while backing up Leonard Fournette.

Source: Armando Salguero on Twitter 

Mar 3 - 9:09 AM

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Dolphins beat writer Armando Salguero says Miami likes LSU RB Derrius Guice "a lot."

Guice produced a 4.49 forty during Friday's Combine activities as well as a 31.5-inch vertical but elected to skip the other events. Guice's 2017 was a lost season due to a thigh bruise, but he finished strong and has plenty of top tape while backing up Leonard Fournette.

Source: Armando Salguero

One would think they want to wait to the 2nd round, a couple of drafts have him going as high as the 1st to Lions.  

 

[Boston]

One would think they want to wait to the 2nd round, a couple of drafts have him going as high as the 1st to Lions.  

You never know with the Dolphins...always a loose cannon this time of year...

 

[menobrown]

One would think they want to wait to the 2nd round, a couple of drafts have him going as high as the 1st to Lions.  

I could see Guice going in mid first like a Melvin Gordon or into second round. Hard to know right now so all teams can do is their homework.

I'd imagine if they are truly interested in him they see themselves as being without a top notch QB that is likely to lose Landry. They see Saints have huge success with their RB duo which made life a lot easier on Brees who was not asked to do as much and are thinking that Guice/Drake can be their Ingram/Kamara.

 

[Gandalf]

I am going to strongly disagree with your observation about his running style.

Are you referring to how he runs in games? Or are you talking about watching him run drills just now?

I still have a lot of players to chart but Guice has the highest rating in pad level of all the RB I have charted so far. It is his second best trait behind vision.

Not like McFadden at all.

He does run for contact. He is more elusive than Leonard Fournette in my opinion but this is one of his weakest traits. He is more of a inside the tackles power runner with good footwork.

He grades out much better than Chubb in my charting. Chubb has been one of the most disappointing players I have charted 10 games for. I have not charted any 2015 games of Chubb however, which likely are better games for him.

Samajae Perine played a lot better in 2014 than the next two seasons also. 2014 did not seem to help him once he got to the NFL. The most recent season is likely the most relevant. Playes do change over time. Some times they get better, some times they get worse.

Guice running style kind of reminds of Marshawn Lynch in his prime

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports LSU RB Derrius Guice completed a formal meeting with the Steelers at the NFL Combine.

Guice is the name predominantly mentioned as the second best ball carrier in this class, and he did nothing to disprove that at the NFL Combine after producing a 4.49 forty. He elected to skip agility drills and likely will complete them at LSU's pro day. There are few teams with obvious running back needs in the back half of round one, but Rotoworld's Josh Norris has heard of a few that have already shown interest in Guice.

Source: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter 

Mar 7 - 11:01 AM

 

[Faust]

Walter Football passes along that LSU RB Derrius Guice met with the Buffalo Bills at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Guice (5'10/224) does not outwardly seem like the cleanest fit in Buffalo given that they already have LeSean McCoy roaming the backfield, but no harm in talking with the LSU standout. Beyond the Bills, the Dolphins are one team believed to be intrigued by Guice. He ran a 4.49-second 40-yard dash at the combine on Friday and will be in the Round 1 conversation this spring. 

Mar 4 - 8:51 PM

Source: Walter Football

 

[Dr. Octopus]

McCoy will be 30 and if the Bills use one of their late firsts they would get a 5th year option for Guice. I could see them thinking a rotation of McCoy and Guice in the backfield with Tyrod Taylor also being a running threat coupled with a top ranked defense may be their best bet for a return trip to the playoffs.

 

[Biabreakable]

McCoy will be 30 and if the Bills use one of their late firsts they would get a 5th year option for Guice. I could see them thinking a rotation of McCoy and Guice in the backfield with Tyrod Taylor also being a running threat coupled with a top ranked defense may be their best bet for a return trip to the playoffs.

Yeah fantasy owners will hate it of course but I can see how this could be a good move for the Bills and something they might do.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Guice running style kind of reminds of Marshawn Lynch in his prime

Very 'beastly' run here.

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I’ve been talking a lot about him on the show and I’m doing a breakdown on him this week for @TheAthleticCLE. It’s time to have a conversation about Derrius Guice and how perfect of a fit he is for the #Browns Violent. Physical runner. A true pure running back.

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Browns would be looking at him in the 2nd round if he falls.

 

[Snorkelson]

Very 'beastly' run here.

https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/971398985201184773

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I’ve been talking a lot about him on the show and I’m doing a breakdown on him this week for @TheAthleticCLE. It’s time to have a conversation about Derrius Guice and how perfect of a fit he is for the #Browns Violent. Physical runner. A true pure running back.

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Browns would be looking at him in the 2nd round if he falls.

Easily has the ammo to move up as well

 

[Gandalf]

Yeah fantasy owners will hate it of course but I can see how this could be a good move for the Bills and something they might do.

As the owner of the 1.06 rookie pick, I would love to see a talented guy like Guice go to Buffalo and appear blocked. That would cause him to fall to me and I would have no hesitation of drafting him. 

 

[zed2283]

 

[kutta]

As the owner of the 1.06 rookie pick, I would love to see a talented guy like Guice go to Buffalo and appear blocked. That would cause him to fall to me and I would have no hesitation of drafting him. 

There’s no way he drops to 1.06 no matter where he goes. 

 

[Gandalf]

There’s no way he drops to 1.06 no matter where he goes. 

Stop crushing my dreams!!

 

[Gandalf]

Very 'beastly' run here.

https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/971398985201184773

Dustin Fox‏Verified account @DustinFox37

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I’ve been talking a lot about him on the show and I’m doing a breakdown on him this week for @TheAthleticCLE. It’s time to have a conversation about Derrius Guice and how perfect of a fit he is for the #Browns Violent. Physical runner. A true pure running back.

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Browns would be looking at him in the 2nd round if he falls.

That was a heck of a run

 

[JohnnyU]

Why are NFL teams asking him if he likes men?  Also, "I heard your mother likes to sell herself, how do you feel about that?    You would think that would be illegal to do.  Hefty fine coming?  http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/374000/nfl-team-asked-lsus-guice-if-he-likes-men?ls=roto:NFL:topheadlines

 

[Soulfly3]

k, but is he gay or not?

 

[JohnnyU]

k, but is he gay or not?

Does it matter?

 

[Soulfly3]

Does it matter?

ya, imo gay men take better care of themselves. moves up in my rankings.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I think the question about his mom selling herself is worse

 

[Faust]

NFL: Questions to Derrius Guice were 'inappropriate'

 

[Jello_Biafra]

ya, imo gay men take better care of themselves. moves up in my rankings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgu7djuloZs

 

[Concept Coop]

I think the question about his mom selling herself is worse

The goal is to use the player's reaction to identify hotheads, right?  I'm not saying it's right, but I kind of get it.  You can't measure a person's response to being offended without offending them.  

I don't know where I fall, but I don't think this is a case of officials picking on Guice for kicks.  

Now if they were asking if Guice was guy and planning to avoid picking him if so, I'd have a big issue with that.  

 

[Dr. Octopus]

There’s no way he drops to 1.06 no matter where he goes. 

I traded for the 1.02 in one league. I’d most likely still take Guice there if Buffalo did draft him.

 

[Hankmoody]

There’s no way he drops to 1.06 no matter where he goes. 

I could easily see it.  There's already a diverse set of opinions out there that love Chubb, Jones, and Michel individually more than Guice.  If they all end up in better situations you really only need one "surprise" ahead of him and he's at the 1.06.  Someone desperate for a WR or that falls for Penny wouldn't be an outlier either. 

 

[tangfoot]

I could easily see it.  There's already a diverse set of opinions out there that love Chubb, Jones, and Michel individually more than Guice.  If they all end up in better situations you really only need one "surprise" ahead of him and he's at the 1.06.  Someone desperate for a WR or that falls for Penny wouldn't be an outlier either. 

Yeah.  After Barkley, I think 1.02 - 1.08 are highly dependent on who drafts them and with which pick.  I could see almost any combination of the next 7 guys in fantasy drafts, depending on scoring system, starting requirements, and team needs.

 

[kutta]

I could easily see it.  There's already a diverse set of opinions out there that love Chubb, Jones, and Michel individually more than Guice.  If they all end up in better situations you really only need one "surprise" ahead of him and he's at the 1.06.  Someone desperate for a WR or that falls for Penny wouldn't be an outlier either. 

I would be absolutely shocked if Guice fell to 1.06 in any league under any circumstance. Time will tell, but I think the chances are very slim.

 

[Hankmoody]

I would be absolutely shocked if Guice fell to 1.06 in any league under any circumstance. Time will tell, but I think the chances are very slim.

It does seem a bit perfect storm-y, but last year at this time I would never have expected to see Cook at 1.05 either, yet I did in multiple leagues, and there are perfect storm-type players all over this draft.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

The goal is to use the player's reaction to identify hotheads, right?  I'm not saying it's right, but I kind of get it.  You can't measure a person's response to being offended without offending them.  

I don't know where I fall, but I don't think this is a case of officials picking on Guice for kicks.  

Now if they were asking if Guice was guy and planning to avoid picking him if so, I'd have a big issue with that.  

So strange and makes zero sense. I’m assuming most people would not show their true reaction during a job interview. Like, if that’s their goal - to see if a guy is a hot head - then it’s a poor strategy because most people will be savvy enough in an interview situation to play it cool. 

 

[Skeletore Eh]

The goal is to use the player's reaction to identify hotheads, right?  I'm not saying it's right, but I kind of get it.  You can't measure a person's response to being offended without offending them.  

I don't know where I fall, but I don't think this is a case of officials picking on Guice for kicks.  

Now if they were asking if Guice was guy and planning to avoid picking him if so, I'd have a big issue with that.  

obviously that is the goal, but there are ways to go about it without stooping to these levels in my opinion. 

I would also be willing to bet they didn't ask any white players if their mom sells themselves...

 

[Concept Coop]

obviously that is the goal, but there are ways to go about it without stooping to these levels in my opinion. 

I would also be willing to bet they didn't ask any white players if their mom sells themselves...

You could be right.  I just think an NFL locker room is a unique environment.  The practices aren't going to lineup with what I experience in the corporate world. 

If they're not asking the question(s) to every prospect, I think that is absolutely wrong.  

 

[Concept Coop]

So strange and makes zero sense. I’m assuming most people would not show their true reaction during a job interview. Like, if that’s their goal - to see if a guy is a hot head - then it’s a poor strategy because most people will be savvy enough in an interview situation to play it cool. 

Sadly, a lot of these athletes have been carried through the non-football part of the process since high school and aren't as developed as the general population.  I think you're 100% right: most people would hold it together in an entry level job interview.  But, again sadly, some of these kids aren't cut out for traditional 9-to-5s.  

I hope that doesn't read as condescending, but see how it might.  That's not my intention at all.  I think the process is failing too many of these athletes.  

 

[kutta]

It does seem a bit perfect storm-y, but last year at this time I would never have expected to see Cook at 1.05 either, yet I did in multiple leagues, and there are perfect storm-type players all over this draft.

Very true. I was surprised Cook fell that far too so I guess anything could happen.

 

[Soulfly3]

Out of curiousity - how bad does this hurt his draft stock when, after an investigation, it's revealed he lied about the questions being asked of him?

 

[menobrown]

Out of curiousity - how bad does this hurt his draft stock when, after an investigation, it's revealed he lied about the questions being asked of him?

I think you meant to say "if" after an investigation. I don't think he lied so I don't think we ever get an answer to your question.

If I was him I'd have kept my mouth quiet, till the draft was over anyway. At this point in the process you just don't want any negative stuff going on associated with your name, even if you are the victimized party. Don't want to give teams something to make up about you, like could they be saying "here is a guy who will say things to the media he should keep in-house" Small stuff, but at this point I'd just want teams to think nothing but positive when they hear my name, no cloud around me.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Out of curiousity - how bad does this hurt his draft stock when, after an investigation, it's revealed he lied about the questions being asked of him?

Why would he lie about that? What purpose does it serve?

 

[Gandalf]

Very true. I was surprised Cook fell that far too so I guess anything could happen.

Yes it happened with Cook last year. McCaffrey went first overall last year, then Fournette at 1.2, and Cook went 1.3. Not a huge drop and I had 1.4 and would have drafted Cook. But precombine he was 1.1 in my league (as in the guy who had 1.1 wanted to draft him)

 

[Snorkelson]

I think you meant to say "if" after an investigation. I don't think he lied so I don't think we ever get an answer to your question.

If I was him I'd have kept my mouth quiet, till the draft was over anyway. At this point in the process you just don't want any negative stuff going on associated with your name, even if you are the victimized party. Don't want to give teams something to make up about you, like could they be saying "here is a guy who will say things to the media he should keep in-house" Small stuff, but at this point I'd just want teams to think nothing but positive when they hear my name, no cloud around me.

If they asked if he liked guys, he should have stood up and said “if that matters to you I dont want to play for you.” And simply wait for them to respond. Either you’ve earned their respect, or you probably don’t want to play for them. 

What if his mom was a prostitute? It happens, I mean, look at Forrest gumps mom. I think he would be right to get ticked off that they bring that up in an interview. 

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld's Josh Norris has confirmed the Bucs will put LSU RB Derrius Guice through a private workout on Wednesday.

The Bucs have an obvious need at the position, and Guice has a chance of being on the board in the late first or early second round range. The Bucs pick No. 7 in the first round, so they could move up from their second-round slot and grab a talented running back in Guice. Expect the Bucs to put a number of other ball carriers through similar workouts.

Source: Josh Norris on Twitter 

Mar 14 - 10:50 AM

 

[Faust]

LSU RB Derrius Guice is out on an official visit to the Philadelphia Eagles on Friday.

Per Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline, Guice has at least one big backer on Philadelphia's staff, that being RB coach Duce Staley. Given that the Eagles don't pick until the end of the first round, they might be slightly priced out on the LSU standout, at least barring a trade. Another interested party as we approach one month remaining until draft showtime is the Buccaneers, who rolled the 5-foot-10, 224-pounder through a private workout on Wednesday.

Source: Draft Analyst 

Mar 16 - 4:23 PM

 

[Riffraff]

I think if more people knew Guice (a 5-star recruit) had 617 yards and 8 TDs receiving (1341 and 21 rushing) as a senior in High School they would have him as the no doubt #2 RB in the class. Too many think he's a 2 down banger because LSU doesn't pass the ball to the RBs. He's a potential 1500-1800 combined yardage guy in the pros.

He seems to get passed over because Barkley has the receiving numbers and dynasty owners are looking for that "other" dual threat RB in the draft, even though he's sitting right there staring at them in the face.

 

[Mingooch]

Guice is my #2 by far