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Yeah, IÂ remember my first beer.ÂAFC Overview
Patriots, Chiefs win their divisions
AFC North is a three way tossup, let's say Steelers
AFC South is a three way tossup, lets say Texans
So we have Chargers, Broncos, Raiders, Jets, Bills, Browns, Ravens, Jags, Colts fighting for two wildcards
Pundits would say Chargers and Browns (or more precisely Browns winning AFC North and Steelers getting wild card).
The opportunity for the Bills is to leverage the disarray of the Dolphins, the secondary of the Jets, and the chaos of AFC North and South to sneak into the playoffs.
I'm far less optimistic about the Browns and Jags than most....so an 8-8 or 9-7 Bills finish and a wild card spot is not at all crazy imo.
From there, you beat the Steelers / Browns in the wild card game, then the Chiefs (where Andy always loses), then you cripple Brady in the AFC Championship and Brees in the Superbowl and there you have it.
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Im not going to pretend to know how the workload is split up but I donât see why the Bills wouldnât be able to see what the have in Singletary even if he was the lesser part of a RBBC. I donât see how that would hinder his development either.ÂBack to singletary, i say let the kid play & see whatâs what. If he canât pass protect, thereâs your answer for the 2020 draft.Â
I mean, the Bills had the #2 defense in the league last year and arguably got better with some additions and with having some key guys get healthy. The Jets have a good defense on paper, but already have some key injuries and suspensions and never quite put it all together last year.ÂYouâre not nitpicking, youâre using semantics to split hairs.Â
I quoted what he said. Saying a team has aspirations of being a WC so they should do XÂ is the same as saying âif theyâre a wildcard team they should do X.â
For a wildcard spot? The Jags & Broncos, probably yes.
The Jets play excellent defense so itâs not about whether the Jets make it, itâs about whether they can beat the Bills, making a WC berth for buffalo even harder since. Again, Buffalo was 6-10 - I donât see a 4-game swing in their W/L record. Maybe 9 wins gets them there. Iâm still not seeing it. Hats off to them if they can do it.Â
There will likely be more teams involved in the actual WC chase. I made a list. Itâs right up there
Related to the topic, that subtle nuance actually changes the discussion fundamentally. If theyâre indeed in âwin nowâ mode, by all means - run Gore into the pile 15x a game & gingerly work Singletary along.
but if this isnât their year, and theyâre rebuilding (which i assumed they were) then they should play/feature Singletary to see what they have.
Didn't think this was a particularly controversial position.Â
There's reason for optimism as the talent is upgraded a ton and they have some depth. But training camp injuries means they haven't played together as a unit much at all and Mitch Morse's concussions are definitely a concern. I also think they are making a mistake by putting Ford at RT for now instead of Nsekhe.Hey does the Buffalo OL look much better this year? All this talk of what McCoy had to deal with I wonder what Singletary will have to face. Seems he will need Allen to progress.
The bottom line is not many NFL team go into the season thinking they have no chance to make the playoffs, especially teams like the Bills that were just there two seasons ago.I mean, the Bills had the #2 defense in the league last year and arguably got better with some additions and with having some key guys get healthy. The Jets have a good defense on paper, but already have some key injuries and suspensions and never quite put it all together last year.Â
I'm not saying the Bills are favorites to get a Wild Card, but everyone after the Chiefs and Patriots have some significant questions they need to answer.
Exactly. I think the Bills knew last year was a rebuilding year. I don't think they see this year the same way. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but I think that they see themselves on a timeline of progress and their expectation for this year is playoffs.The bottom line is not many NFL team go into the season thinking they have no chance to make the playoffs, especially teams like the Bills that were just there two seasons ago.
Oh come on - thereâs like, zero hyperbole in this post. Whereâs the fun in that 24 hours before the season starts?ÂIm not going to pretend to know how the workload is split up but I donât see why the Bills wouldnât be able to see what the have in Singletary even if he was the lesser part of a RBBC. I donât see how that would hinder his development either.Â
I also think Yeldon is better than the way you dismissed him earlier as well. Heâs very good in the passing game and was solid whenever Fournette missed time (many actually thought the offense worked better with Yeldon in there since heâs more complete).
I own Singletary in one dynasty and Iâm excited to see what he has but heâs not a great athlete (did not test well) and is coming out of a small school where he didnât face top competition so it may take a while until heâs ready to be âthe manâ.
i think at least early in the season this will be a full RBBC with Gore, Singletary and Yeldon involved (at least Shady is gone). Hopefully Singletary owns a bigger share as the season progresses. While he didnât test well athletically neither did McCoy and his running style is very similar so his style should work in this offense.
This coaching staff has been around a while now with only minimum success. Theyâre not interested in developing Singletary, their main focus will be 1. Winning and 2. Developing Josh Allen. Singletaryâs playing time will depend on how he effects 1 and 2, above.
Itâs more the Bills offense Iâm concerned about, as well as facing tough teams in their own division.ÂI mean, the Bills had the #2 defense in the league last year and arguably got better with some additions and with having some key guys get healthy. The Jets have a good defense on paper, but already have some key injuries and suspensions and never quite put it all together last year.Â
I'm not saying the Bills are favorites to get a Wild Card, but everyone after the Chiefs and Patriots have some significant questions they need to answer.
Week 1 is actually a huge game for both team with the Bills @ the Jets. If the Jets lose at home they could start 0-4 as they have Cleveland, @ Philly and @ NE the next three weeks. The Bills could likely afford to drop the road game to the Jets but it would still put a small damper on their playoff hopes/chances.Itâs more the Bills offense Iâm concerned about, as well as facing tough teams in their own division.Â
Yeah, itâs a tough way to start the season. Not just the Jets but CLE, Philly, NEPWeek 1 is actually a huge game for both team with the Bills @ the Jets. If the Jets lose at home they could start 0-4 as they have Cleveland, @ Philly and @ NE the next three weeks. The Bills could likely afford to drop the road game to the Jets but it would still put a small damper on their playoff hopes/chances.
90 percent of this game is half mental.I have high hopes for the guy because he's my #3 RB, but there's a pretty short list of fantasy RBs who were fantasy relevant.
While u aren't wrong this situation is a bit different as the starter was cut. In on 2/3 of my leagues but a bit sad I didn't get him in all.love this time of year. every rookie RB is about ready to take the league by storm.
https://buffalonews.com/2019/09/01/buffalo-bills-nfl-devin-singletary-lesean-mccoy/
At Florida Atlanta, he made just six catches as a junior in 2018. The Bills conducted a private workout with Singletary leading up to the draft and asked him to run some routes, but only so much can be learned when there isnât anyone trying to hit you. But the instinct and vision Beane saw during the scouting process were evident in the preseason.
âJust seeing his natural feel,â Beane said of what checked the receiving box this preseason for the team. âYou can send guys out for a pass and they can run out there, but there's a feel in zones, where to find the holes. There's a feel out there of just natural hands, catching the ball.â
At just 5-foot-7, the other question was about how Singletary would hold up in pass protection. If a running back is in the game on third down who canât pass block, opposing defenses will send blitz after blitz.
âI'm not going to say he's perfect at either, but he's shown the ability to do it,â Beane said. âHe understands protections. The first thing to do in pass pro is to understand protections and where things are coming, where the free man is coming that he's got to pick up. He seems to have a good grasp of that mentally. The next part of that is his technique. I thought early in camp, he was inconsistent with his technique. I think he's improved it, and I think he'll continue to work on it. He's shown enough to be in there on, I would say, any of the three downs.â
This dude is only 5â7â??? Holy cow. He is smaller then Darwin. Iâm a bills fan and i just made a trade offer to try and acquire Singletary in my main league. Hoping it goes through. The revamped o line and Josh Allen being a dual threat i think is going to really make the bills a force on the ground.Â
Offered Kenny G, Barber, and J Williams for E Sanders, Singletary, and Damien Harris. 0.5 ppr 12 team. Fingers crossedÂ
Agree on these two things. I'm normally more of a metrics guy (or at least athleticism matters to me in a prospect), so on that level he kinda terrifies me, but I just have a feeling it's going to work out in this case. If it does though, he'll break the metrics models. He'd be a true outlier.ÂHe's pretty thick and runs low to the ground, so his height isn't something that has concerned me. With his poor measurables, the things that I was most looking out for were:
1. Does he pass the eye test in preseason/training camp. He does, which makes me think that his game translates despite not being a great athlete. That isn't always the case.
2. Does the team think highly of him. I think that's clearly the case here.Â
It's hard to say, there are a decent amount of guys we don't really have data on too, right? Outliers like Arian Foster (who was an UDFA but at one point considered a 2nd round prospect), we don't really have measurables on guys like him. He's bigger obviously, but not overly athletic or fast and never was. He was insanely instinctive and skilled, though.ÂAgree on these two things. I'm normally more of a metrics guy (or at least athleticism matters to me in a prospect), so on that level he kinda terrifies me, but I just have a feeling it's going to work out in this case. If it does though, he'll break the metrics models. He'd be a true outlier.Â
If he gets me 10-14 points as a BYE week PPR flex play, heâll have done his job.ÂIt's hard to say, there are a decent amount of guys we don't really have data on too, right? Outliers like Arian Foster (who was an UDFA but at one point considered a 2nd round prospect), we don't really have measurables on guys like him. He's bigger obviously, but not overly athletic or fast and never was. He was insanely instinctive and skilled, though.Â
Sproles is another one, though we do have the data. Incredibly productive, 4th round pick. Even smaller and squatter. Now, he did have elite speed, that's a big difference. But he had a poor vert/broad and overall didn't scream difference-maker, measurables wise. Obviously he was a huge outlier due to his ability to make people miss. But he didn't fit the mold.
Note: this isn't a Singletary/Foster/Sproles comp at all. Just saying guys have broken the mold before, though they all do it in their own ways. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples, or guys that were injured coming out that we never even got reliable measurables on who had success.Â
Singletary would certainly beat the odds if he turns out to be a long-term starter. But so far he passes the eye test like some of the outlier RBs who came before him did.
I don't think that's the case with our current regime. Everybody knew perfectly well that last year was a tear-down year, and frankly it was sort of miraculous that they won 6 games. Internally, everybody also knows that the playoff appearance the previous year was a weird fluke. ÂBuffalo doesn't really "rebuild" from what I've observed of them. They always seem to have the opinion internally that they are better than they really are. Correct me if I'm wrong please, Bills fans.Â
Yup. The Bills had $54M in dead cap space last year, almost a third of the 2018 cap.ÂI don't think that's the case with our current regime. Everybody knew perfectly well that last year was a tear-down year, and frankly it was sort of miraculous that they won 6 games. Internally, everybody also knows that the playoff appearance the previous year was a weird fluke. Â
Previous versions of the team were essentially run by a career marketing guy, so factor that in as well.
I donât disagree that theyâre rebuilding, but of the 95% roster turnover, what % improvement would you estimate that to have resulted in?ÂIf people think that turning over 95% of your roster in 2 years and 9/11 guys on offense in 1 year isn't rebuilding, they either haven't been paying attention or have a much different definition of rebuilding than most.
No idea. I think a lot (they improved a TON on the defensive side of the ball already last year compared to where they were with Rex Ryan), but it remains to be seen.ÂI donât disagree that theyâre rebuilding, but of the 95% roster turnover, what % improvement would you estimate that to have resulted in?Â
DEVIN SINGLETARY RB, BUFFALO BILLS
Bills OC Brian Daboll told reporters Thursday that each of Frank Gore, Devin Singletary and T.J. Yeldon will have roles in the offense this season.
Specifically, Daboll stated, "They'll all have roles, which may be defined by what they can on a week to week basis." Rookie Devin Singletary is expected to split early-down work with Frank Gore, while T.J. Yeldon should take up a lot of the work on pass downs. It's a low-ceiling situation for all three backs, especially after considering Josh Allen's penchant for both scrambling and consistently throwing downfield.
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T.J. Yeldon
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SOURCE:Â Sal Capaccio on Twitter.
Sep 5, 2019, 11:41 AM ET
Daboll is probably specifically referencing situations where the RB will be required to stay in and block. Not necessarily all passing down scenarios.ÂThat doesn't smell right. Yeldon can catch the ball but he's replacement-level once it's in his hands. He feels more like a backup option even in the receiving game. Haven't beat writers already been saying that despite his lack of receiving experience in college, Singletary has already carved out that role for himself?Â
Not that I've heard/read. They've said that he seems better at receiving than he's perceived and that he has potential to be a 3 down back, but I think once McCoy was cut and Yeldon was kept, most have expected Yeldon to have a decent role both on 3rd down situations and in game situations where a pass catching RB who is a good blocker is needed.That doesn't smell right. Yeldon can catch the ball but he's replacement-level once it's in his hands. He feels more like a backup option even in the receiving game. Haven't beat writers already been saying that despite his lack of receiving experience in college, Singletary has already carved out that role for himself?
Brandon Beane said that Singletary has some natural talent at catching the ball and that he understands pass protection mentally just not physically, yet. And he said that he has improved at both after starting off inconsistent and but more improvement is needed. That is the kind of doublespeak that is said about a rookie who isn't good at something but where you don't want to discourage him because he is working hard and trying to improve. But he is 5'7" and I can't think of too many small guys that don't become good receivers. It is usually the bigger power backs that lack the coordination that prevents them from becoming good at it.That doesn't smell right. Yeldon can catch the ball but he's replacement-level once it's in his hands. He feels more like a backup option even in the receiving game. Haven't beat writers already been saying that despite his lack of receiving experience in college, Singletary has already carved out that role for himself?Â
I understand that the Bills are not a team that a lot of people pay attention to, but the bolded part is exactly what the current GM and HC did when they took over the team three seasons ago. It's how they got up to #7 to draft their QB after a playoff season. They're not doing a tear-down this year because they're past that part of the rebuild already.Thanks guys, it looks like things are improving for the better, but I really don't consider what they have done to be really rebuilding. They have not and they aren't really acquiring draft capital the way the Browns did and the Dolphins are doing.Â
Sure, they replaced all of their replacement level players when schemes changed over as all teams do, but replacing a bunch of JAGs who don't fit the scheme with JAGs who fit the new coaches scheme isn't really rebuilding in my opinion.Â
The Bills have been in 20 years of purgatory mainly because they don't do a full tear down rebuild, they just reload every year and go for another 6 to 9 wins. They haven't won double digit games this century and it doesn't look imminent in the near future without a complete tear down the way the Browns did.Â
How do you figure? They aren't making any extra picks in any of the last 3 drafts.ÂI understand that the Bills are not a team that a lot of people pay attention to, but the bolded part is exactly what the current GM and HC did when they took over the team three seasons ago. It's how they got up to #7 to draft their QB after a playoff season. They're not doing a tear-down this year because they're past that part of the rebuild already.
They had one pro bowl player last year and he retired. I'm pretty sure the only player on their current roster who has been to a pro bowl is gore. They have a few guys who could go for the first time this year, but they don't have a single player who's even in the conversation as being the best in the NFL at their position.  I'm not sure I'd say their rebuild is done.ÂI understand that the Bills are not a team that a lot of people pay attention to, but the bolded part is exactly what the current GM and HC did when they took over the team three seasons ago. It's how they got up to #7 to draft their QB after a playoff season. They're not doing a tear-down this year because they're past that part of the rebuild already.
Just to use 2018 as an example, they traded away a bunch of picks (I don't remember the details) to move up in the first round for Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds. You can't just count the number of selections made when calculating "draft capital."How do you figure? They aren't making any extra picks in any of the last 3 drafts.Â
2019: 12335667
2018:Â 11345567
2017: 122556
Oh, I see what this is about now. Never mind.The team keeps deluding itself into thinking things like Josh Allen is a franchise QB,
Me neither.They had one pro bowl player last year and he retired. I'm pretty sure the only player on their current roster who has been to a pro bowl is gore. They have a few guys who could go for the first time this year, but they don't have a single player who's even in the conversation as being the best in the NFL at their position.  I'm not sure I'd say their rebuild is done.Â
The Browns drafted number 1 in that draft... I mentioned that the Browns picks were higher picks as well, so I wasn't just counting picks.ÂJust to use 2018 as an example, they traded away a bunch of picks (I don't remember the details) to move up in the first round for Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds. You can't just count the number of selections made when calculating "draft capital."
Oh, I see what this is about now. Never mind.
What? He's not getting burn and they have 0 points. Lmao he's a holdSafe to cut in all but the deepest leagues.
Totally disagree. Bills offense is doing nothing - Gore showing his age and got caught in the end zone for a safety.Safe to cut in all but the deepest leagues.
Check the game log.Totally disagree. Bills offense is doing nothing - Gore showing his age and got caught in the end zone for a safety.
Would be surprised if Singletary didnât get more play going forward to give the offense a spark.
What a massive overreaction and horrible takeSafe to cut in all but the deepest leagues.