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He had more carries in 5.5 games than Ingram did his rookie year and yet a lot of conclusions were drawn there...
This. I wasn't saying he was having a great year, but he could have easily turned it around, and likely would have if he stayed healthy. And yes, I cherry picked those particular players to prove my point.
I din't say it was too small a sample size. I said you can't say a guy had a bad SEASON when he played just over 1/4 of that season.
As Martin owner I hate that I have to use a decent rookie pick on Sims. I don't know much about him. When I watch his highlight reel he looks great. When I watch a whole game of his film, he looks pretty average. I haven't seen much in the way of pass protection for him. Does anyone know how he rates there? I would guess if he isn't very good, then he won't be a threat to Martin's catches anytime soon.Grahamburn said:
Not sure what your point is. Martin compiled quicker due to Schiano's man-love. Ingram compiled slower due to strange, sparse usage.
Same could be said for Martin.
I don't see it that way. I agree Martin looked average last year, but I also attribute a lot of that to the complete wreck that team was the first part of the year. When I watched martin's college game film I saw a complete back. When I watch sims I see a role player at best. I'm just not sure he's ready for that role in the NFL yet. He might be but I'm not sure how advanced he is. I know Martin can handle it.
Seems like you are being deliberately obtuse. Martin has accumulated the same stats on a much poorer offensive team in half the time with a QB that cant even keep a backup job right now. He also makes his mark running the ball and thru the air. Ingram has been outplayed by multiple RB's on his own offensive juggernaut team with a HOF QB drawing the defenses attention. Ingram's "strange usage" over 3 seasons has a much more logical explanation, he's a one dimensional back that thrived on Alabama's awesome offensive line.
I don't think Sims is necessarily a handcuff for Martin. From everything I have read Sims will be more of an outside player, and he may not be that great at running between the tackles. They may choose to use Rainey or Mike James more. Sims could be delegated to primarily a 3rd down back.
I think that's about the best he'll be. A third down role player. I'm just not sure he is ready for that role in the NFL yet. His pass protection will need to be pretty good. I think he is more special teams his first season, then maybe he gets worked in to the passing game year two.
Quite the contrary. Much more acute than you here, as I delved into a fair bit of Ingram research last year. I didn't do it all year long, but I looked at snap counts the previous year and snap counts for half of last season and after looking through quite a few players, none were used more obviously than Ingram and Mathews through the first half of the season. It's not just that these poor guys were saddled with the 1st and 10 obvious running situations without any of the juicy 2-minute drill snaps, it's that the team didn't even let them on the field much at all when they knew they weren't going to run the ball on 1st and 10. So by putting Ingram in the game, it told opposing defenses, there's a 67-75% chance the ball is going to this guy. It was an insane tipping of the hand. If you go back and watch play by play, Ingram is almost always facing 8 in the box and these guys aren't just assigned that position, they are leaning in pre-snap. If you watch some Thomas or Sproles plays, those LBs are on their heels practically dropping into coverage as the ball is snapped.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it will be hard to justify an early 3rd round choice on a 3rd down role or special teams player. They passed on some pretty solid guard prospects (a glaring need) to draft Sims. The coaching staff and front office must see him as much more.
It's definitely not great, but many times the things said in May/June are not what actually happens once September rolls around. Coaches often speak of getting the backup more touches, and then keep feeding the bellcow once the season is underway.
It sounds worse than it is though. If anything use it as an opportunity to try and get Martin at a discounted price. Look at the success that Cal RBs had from 2003-2011 under Tedford. There is always a lead back who gets about 200-300 carries and a 2nd back who gets about 100 carries. And that was only over the course of a 12 game season. I would expect Martin to be the lead back and get about 250 carries and maybe 30 catches. Still very capable of putting up RB1 numbers with that. Whether the 2nd back is Sims or Mike James, I'm not too worried about Martin's production. I never bought into him being ranked as a top 5 fantasy RB anyway. I think 2nd half of the top 10 is more accurate.
Actions speak louder than words.Dr. Octopus said:
Sure, his comments are certainly not worthless by any means. College is a little different though since coaches need to worry about recruitment of top players - so the promise of carries and the ability to show that carries are available right away become attractive to a young HS RB that is making a decision on where he will be playing college ball.
Sometimes a coach will make a promise quite obviously the opposite of his nature. When Scott Linehan vows to focus on running the ball, you take it with a grain of salt, or even ignore it altogether. Other times, a coordinator will make a quite obvious vow, such as this case. Tedford makes a comment which coincides with his past tendencies. Granted, a college scheme could differ from the NFL. I still think we have a pretty clear picture of what Tedford wants to do. And offensive coordinator's intentions have a significant impact on our fantasy player's production.
Sims was my favorite RB in this draft to watch. As a pure runner it was actually Seastrunk but Sims could do it all rushing and receiving.
It shouldn't have that big of an impact. In 2012, Martin only had 6 of his 70 targets on 3rd downs - that job was mainly handled by Danny Ware.
It seems everyone is anointing Sims as the 3rd down back but this seems less than 100% sure he can get the protections down.
I know I am late on this, but this is a great post ... for THIS Martin owner at least.
May prove to be nothing, but something to think on regardless.
strange sparse usage, you mean his sub par 3.5 ypc and always getting banged up? that could be why their Chief what da ya think???
I think it's strange you are responding to a post over a month old and that your poor grasp of English leaves your posts with kind of an unfunny SWC feel to them. I miss the ol' swcer. I wonder what became of him.
How long is he out for?
