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RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (5 Viewers)

Extending Jaylon Smith...

In the middle of all this...

Love it, Jerry!

This. Is. Awesome.
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Jaylon Smith’s new deal with the Cowboys: 5 New Years, $65 million, including $35.5 guaranteed, per source. Gives Smith the 3rd-highest paid guarantee and makes him a top 5 linebacker with only 22 starts.

 
John Middlekauff @JohnMiddlekauff

I think Zeke is officially on borrowed Time now. Dak & Amari are going nowhere. My theory: Once Zeke agent popped off, Jerry snapped and gave that cash to Jaylen

 
The Cowboys have so many top young players it's difficult to pay the RB position. The salary cap is the elephant in the room.

It makes for tough decisions. I'd actually support a trade. If we do extend Zeke, I hope it's reasonable.

 
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Jaylon Smith’s new deal with the Cowboys: 5 New Years, $65 million, including $35.5 guaranteed, per source. Gives Smith the 3rd-highest paid guarantee and makes him a top 5 linebacker with only 22 starts.
That's about where I thought it would be.  That's not unreasonable, but also not a discount. 

 
But they would need to keep the cap space available since he’s under contract.

ETA: but they could carry over the unused part to the following season.
Do you know the bolded to be true? I posed a question in the Gordon thread no one has answered.

When players are fined for penalties, uniform violations, etc., those fines are withheld from their game checks and paid to the NFL to go into the players fund. Many articles about Elliott and Gordon have referred to the amount of money each can be fined for each preseason game they miss. Questions:

  1. Are fines for preseason games missed (1/17 of salary) treated like those other fines and paid to the NFL?
  2. When regular season games are missed, is that viewed as a fine paid to the NFL, or does the team actually not have to pay out any cash for the player for that game, thus saving 1/17 of the player's salary for each such game?
  3. Whether viewed as a fine or not, for each regular season game missed, does the team gain cap relief equivalent to 1/17 of the player's salary? If so, is that current season cap relief or carryover as you indicated here?
 
Lol

Jane Slater @SlaterNFL

Now that Jaylon Smith got paid had to ask “Now that Jaylon's got a slice of the pie, does it affect how big of a pie Amari, Dak, and Zeke can get?”

JERRY: There's less pie left, make no bones about it.

SLATER: That's what I wanted to clarify.

JERRY: There is less pie

 
Lol

Jane Slater @SlaterNFL

Now that Jaylon Smith got paid had to ask “Now that Jaylon's got a slice of the pie, does it affect how big of a pie Amari, Dak, and Zeke can get?”

JERRY: There's less pie left, make no bones about it.

SLATER: That's what I wanted to clarify.

JERRY: There is less pie
That's not good :unsure:  

Have you SEEN Zeke? That dude LOVES pie.... 

 
dam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago

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Jaylon Smith’s new deal with the Cowboys: 5 New Years, $65 million, including $35.5 guaranteed, per source. Gives Smith the 3rd-highest paid guarantee and makes him a top 5 linebacker with only 22 starts.
If Jaylon stays healthy this is a great deal for the Cowboys

 
Do you know the bolded to be true? I posed a question in the Gordon thread no one has answered.
I’m not 100% sure, but, while the situations are a bit different, the Steelers were forced to hold the cap space for Bell under the tag and were then able to carry it over when he never signed or played.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I’m not 100% sure, but, while the situations are a bit different, the Steelers were forced to hold the cap space for Bell under the tag and were then able to carry it over when he never signed or played.
I didn't know that, thanks. As a Chargers fan, I think that is great news. At least they will get something in return if he misses games holding out.

 
Jon Machota‏ @jonmachota

Cowboys VP Stephen Jones: “I have a lot of respect for most agents. I really do. I think they’re trying to do their job for these players. But I do think sometimes, they don’t have the same endgame that maybe the player should and we do.”

10:41 AM - 21 Aug 2019

 
David Dodds @fbg_dodds

I am starting to sense that Ezekiel Elliott might miss a few games to start the season.

1st three weeks:

at home vs NYG

on road vs WAS

at home vs MIA

They play a tough game on the road in week 4 against the Saints.

I fear he misses the first two weeks. The team will likely win without him and Jerry has shown to roll the dice before (Emmitt Smith) in this type of scenario to get a leg up on negotiations.

 
That's about where I thought it would be.  That's not unreasonable, but also not a discount. 
Shhhh....you are sounding too reasonable.

As an Eagles fan/Cowboy hater you are supposed to be in here trolling, making asinine statements and comments that make little to no sense.  There are a few of them in here that you can take lessons from if you are unsure how to go about doing that.

 
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Pie is shrinking... Dak should jump in there and grab his piece. Cowboys should focus on him and Cooper.

Anybody can run behind this line enough to get them to where they need to go. Let Zeke hold out for 5-6 years or whatever he is thinking and watch would-be back-ups steal his job. Lev Bell's production was replaced... Melvin Gordon's production was replaced... Zeke is next.

I guess we'll find out shortly who needs who more. Win or lose, the Cowboys will still be one of the most popular franchises in all of sports. Without football Zeke is nobody.

 
Mr. Landry said:
Shhhh....you are sounding too reasonable.

As an Eagles fan/Cowboy hater you are supposed to be in here trolling, making asinine statements and comments that make little to no sense.  There are a few of them in here that you can take lessons from if you are unsure how to go about doing that.
You don’t have to look very hard either   :lol:

So you drafted an immature RB! turd 4th overall and now have poop on your hands because you go about business butt backwards? 🤣🤣🤣 Where is Jimmy Johnson when you need him?

 
Lev Bell's production was replaced... Melvin Gordon's production was replaced... Zeke is next.
The Steelers went into the year as the favorites to unseat the Patriots in the AFC and missed the playoffs without bell. 

The chargers have not successfully replaced Gordon. They need to win the afc west to host a playoff game because they are not going to win in KC or New England.  

The cowboys defense relies on their run game.  Dak's success relies on their run game.  Cooper's a play action receiver.  Everything suffers if they don't have a run game. 

I don't know if Pollard can replace all that.  Maybe in the short run.  But you're kidding yourself if you think these teams can just replace star running backs without missing a beat. 

People seem to think, hey, good teams can win without an elite rb - which is definitely true - so they're not that important. But that's not what's happening here.  

Teams that were good without a strong running game don't need a strong running game to be good.  Teams that were good because they had a strong running game aren't as good without that running game.  

 
You're kidding yourself if you think the Steelers collapse had anything to do with their RB play last year.
Of course i think the running game impacted their results. I think defensive injuries and a mediocre secondary did too but the defense was put under more stress because they didn't control games.

The passing game did more last year than 2017.

The defense had better individual contributions from guys like watt.  

Yet the team went from 13-3 to 9-6-1.

The team went lost 3 games and tied 1 when they were leading with 5 minutes in the 4th quarter. You can blame the defense all you want, but the offense could have put those games away and it didn't.  

In today's NFL you almost have to expect that your opponent will score in the fourth quarter unless you have an elite defense.  If  you don't, you can either build a big lead, control the clock at the end, or catch up. 

Blaming your defense is a loser's mentality. It's a team sport.  The offense has to do their job.  It's not just about getting yards and touchdowns but when you get those yards and first downs. 

Bell would unquestionably have helped, and the Steelers only missed the playoffs by half a game.  It seems very self serving that the fan base seems to think the failure to sign bell didn't impact the Steelers at all.  

 
It's a Zeke thread so I won't continue this hijack.  I will just stay that RB play is way down the list of things that went wrong for the Steelers last year.  Defense, Coaching, Special Teams, Diva WR #1, etc. all made a bigger impact on their decline.

 
So you drafted an immature RB! turd 4th overall and now have poop on your hands because you go about business butt backwards? 🤣🤣🤣 Where is Jimmy Johnson when you need him?
You can criticize Jerry Jones as owner/GM for not getting his team to the conference championship game since 1995. But one of his strengths is negotiating with players. Why is he playing hardball with Zeke? Because he needs to (due to the other contracts outstanding) and because he can (Dallas has 3 easier games at the start of the season). A good poker player makes other poker players make a decision for all their chips. Jerry has done this with Zeke. He did it in the past with Emmitt, and he folded when they started out 0-2. And the result of that was that Emmitt came back and the Cowboys won the Super Bowl. So if the Cowboys go 1-2 to start the season, Jerry may have to fold again and give in. But if they start out 3-0, then my guess is Zeke will come back with the contract Jerry has offered.

Jerry will always draft talent over character and then see if he can work out the character issues. He has failed sometimes and succeeded sometimes but he has been pretty consistent in how he operates.

 
You can criticize Jerry Jones as owner/GM for not getting his team to the conference championship game since 1995. But one of his strengths is negotiating with players. Why is he playing hardball with Zeke? Because he needs to (due to the other contracts outstanding) and because he can (Dallas has 3 easier games at the start of the season). A good poker player makes other poker players make a decision for all their chips. Jerry has done this with Zeke. He did it in the past with Emmitt, and he folded when they started out 0-2. And the result of that was that Emmitt came back and the Cowboys won the Super Bowl. So if the Cowboys go 1-2 to start the season, Jerry may have to fold again and give in. But if they start out 3-0, then my guess is Zeke will come back with the contract Jerry has offered.

Jerry will always draft talent over character and then see if he can work out the character issues. He has failed sometimes and succeeded sometimes but he has been pretty consistent in how he operates.
😍

 
It's a Zeke thread so I won't continue this hijack.  I will just stay that RB play is way down the list of things that went wrong for the Steelers last year.  Defense, Coaching, Special Teams, Diva WR #1, etc. all made a bigger impact on their decline.
Welcome to Egypt! I hope your time in de Nile is refreshing and enjoyable 😁

 
Welcome to Egypt! I hope your time in de Nile is refreshing and enjoyable 😁
With Bell in 2017, the Steelers won 4 games on last minute kicks by Boswell.  Without Bell in 2018 they won none that way and lost 2 on last minute misses (and had 2 others that turned on other misses). Bell's contributions to the kicking game were obviously a huge contribution that Brewer is missing.

 
Teams that were good without a strong running game don't need a strong running game to be good.  Teams that were good because they had a strong running game aren't as good without that running game.
To the extent that any team can be said to be good because it had a strong running game, Dallas fits that statement.

Are you saying you think the Chargers also fit that? IMO the Chargers have much more offensive skill talent, including in their backup RBs, than Dallas, which suggests that the Chargers can better weather Gordon's absence than Dallas can weather Elliott's.

Perhaps that is offset by the fact that the Chargers need a #2 seed more than Dallas does, suggesting a smaller dropoff might still be too much of a dropoff.

As a Chargers fan, I am much more concerned with the loss of James and possible loss of Okung than Gordon. I think James and Okung absences will be much more impactful.

 
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A source tells @JeffDarlington that the Ezekiel Elliott deal "is getting done." pic.twitter.com/IIpHlzdfsh

8:49 AM - Aug 22, 2019
I sure hope so. I, for one, am a little tired of top 5 players & this sort of thing. 

Not commenting on the situation or who’s right or wrong here - just from a fantasy manager’s perspective It’s frustrating to deal with right before my draft. 

If I land the 4 pick & EE is there I’ll now have to take him & hold my breath that JJones doesn’t say or do something dumb. 

I know some folks love this sort of drama, especially because it can give a manager a steal if they take the risk but I’d rather have clarity headed into a draft. 

 
Rotoworld take:

ESPN's Ed Werder reports the Cowboys have offered to make holdout RB Ezekiel Elliott one of the "two highest-paid running backs" in the NFL.

In other words, more than Le'Veon Bell but less than Todd Gurley's market re-setter. That is surely not going to fly with Elliott, who is undoubtedly aiming to become the league's highest-paid runner. What had seemed to be a fairly routine holdout has taken on a bit of an edge in recent weeks. It is hard to envision Elliott missing regular season games, but the opener is in just 17 days.

SOURCE: Ed Werder on Twitter

Aug 22, 2019, 2:05 PM ET

 
I sure hope so. I, for one, am a little tired of top 5 players & this sort of thing. 

Not commenting on the situation or who’s right or wrong here - just from a fantasy manager’s perspective It’s frustrating to deal with right before my draft.
How dare these professional athletes inconvenience you, the important fantasy manager!

 
How dare these professional athletes inconvenience you, the important fantasy manager!
Exactly. Thank you for correctly prioritizing the situation. 

I wish all athletes were like MJD, who not only played FF, but drafted himself 1.01 every year of his career. 

:)  

on a more serious note, if the Cowboys are offering EE “2nd highest paid RB in the NFL” money, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for EE’s side of things. Gurley got a market re-setting payday, sure - then got hurt & showed why it’s silly to give a RB that much. 

 
We can start with the fact that Zeke is, well, a running back. There's a reason players at that position have not been seeing their contract values rise along with the rest of the league, that more and more teams are moving into committee arrangements in the backfield, and also are generally more willing to let top-end players at that position walk in free agency than they are at any other spot on the field. 

Running backs tend to have the shortest careers, the highest rate of injury, and the poorest return on investment; this has been shown time and again over the years. And it's not a trend that's reversing. In fact, it's getting even more stark. Passes are becoming more and more valuable than runs. All of this makes the skill set of the even the best running backs less valuable than players at other positions like quarterback, offensive line, and even wide receiver. 

Running backs have also been shown to generally be more replaceable than players at other positions.

 
Exactly. Thank you for correctly prioritizing the situation. 

I wish all athletes were like MJD, who not only played FF, but drafted himself 1.01 every year of his career. 

:)  

on a more serious note, if the Cowboys are offering EE “2nd highest paid RB in the NFL” money, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for EE’s side of things. Gurley got a market re-setting payday, sure - then got hurt & showed why it’s silly to give a RB that much. 
Exactly right. If EE won’t sign this deal then I hope they take all offers off the table. 

 
Exactly. Thank you for correctly prioritizing the situation. 

I wish all athletes were like MJD, who not only played FF, but drafted himself 1.01 every year of his career. 

:)  

on a more serious note, if the Cowboys are offering EE “2nd highest paid RB in the NFL” money, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for EE’s side of things. Gurley got a market re-setting payday, sure - then got hurt & showed why it’s silly to give a RB that much. 
Of course, just like with Bell, the issue may be how much of that "2nd highest" salary is guaranteed.

 

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