RB Ezekiel Elliott, LAC (6 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The Bucs defense is just too good to plan to run the ball on them.

folks keep saying this. Ok, if that means going 60-40 or even 70-30, I get it. 

but 99-1 is a weird resignation. Like a surrender. 

I am interested to see if any other team completely abandons the run before the game starts. 

 

[Deamon]

The Pats ran less than the Cowboys. 

Tom Brady doesn't play for New England anymore

 

[smbkrypt24]

folks keep saying this. Ok, if that means going 60-40 or even 70-30, I get it. 

but 99-1 is a weird resignation. Like a surrender. 

I am interested to see if any other team completely abandons the run before the game starts. 

It was more like 81-19 not 99-1.  14 rush attempts (not county Dak since I am not sure if they were designed runs) to 58 pass attempts.  Close to 20%.

 

[Deamon]

Dallas played out of the shotgun exclusively.

I watched tonight with the Zeke owner in my league. He was apoplectic.

he didn’t expect a great game, but he expected more than 3 carries at the half.

I'm not sure why Dallas thought getting into a shootout & abandoning the run before they even left the locker room was the right strategy for beating the Bucs, but they were wrong. 

Oof. 

I don't think there was anything wrong with their strategy last night.  They were heavy underdogs and could have won that game.  They didn't get the win but they had a great game plan that ended the game in a coin flip.

 

[Deamon]

But they didn’t even test it? Like not at all?

Waiving the white flag to an opponent’s run defense is a terrible way to play football, and it made the Cowboys 1-dimensional from the jump. 
 

But if Succop misses that kick at the end, are you saying Dallas had a great game plan that they executed perfectly and took down the SB champs on the road?  Very easy to sit and criticize just because Succop hit the FG.... if he missed, I'm sure everyone would be praising their game plan and saying how great it was.

 

[tangfoot]

It was just kind of a weird game. 

Maybe McCarthy’s a genius - I dunno. I still think they should have tried to run the ball.

and yes, I get that the Bucs are tough against the run. No team is impervious though. 

I’m reasonably sure it was because Martin was out, because otherwise why have a 1-page playbook? Playing exclusively out of the shotgun means no PA passing, ineffective screens, and very little creativity. 

But hey, y’all are right, they scored a lot of points, so I must be crazy to think a little balance would have helped them win. 

You're focused on the wrong problem.  The Cowboys had a game plan to hang with the reigning champs, a team that returns all 22 of its starters from 2021.  They executed that game plan to perfection, and were either a PI non-call or shanked FG away from pulling off what would have to be considered the upset of the week.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't think there was anything wrong with their strategy last night.  They were heavy underdogs and could have won that game.  They didn't get the win but they had a great game plan that ended the game in a coin flip.

I guess I’m in the minority then, because to me, better coaching means reducing “coin flip” endings and actually giving oneself a better chance to win.

The old adage about the best defense being a good offense. Keeping Brady on the sidelines is usually a good way to keep Brady from scoring. Dallas had no interest in doing that. 

The Bucs had 1 drive where they actually controlled the clock, towards the end of the game. That was the only time all game either team did that. 

And yeah, maybe the Bucs do have a great run defense. But to not even test that seems weird. And the few runs they tried were out of the shotgun, which isn’t exactly a recipe for success.

Hat’s off to Dak & Co for keeping in it. I disagree with those who say that it’s the recipe for beating the Bucs. The Cowboys being 0-1 would seem to indicate otherwise. 

 

[Deamon]

I guess I’m in the minority then, because to me, better coaching means reducing “coin flip” endings and actually giving oneself a better chance to win.

The old adage about the best defense being a good offense. Keeping Brady on the sidelines is usually a good way to keep Brady from scoring. Dallas had no interest in doing that. 

The Bucs had 1 drive where they actually controlled the clock, towards the end of the game. That was the only time all game either team did that. 

And yeah, maybe the Bucs do have a great run defense. But to not even test that seems weird. And the few runs they tried were out of the shotgun, which isn’t exactly a recipe for success.

Hat’s off to Dak & Co for keeping in it. I disagree with those who say that it’s the recipe for beating the Bucs. The Cowboys being 0-1 would seem to indicate otherwise. 

I just hate only looking at the result when the game is won on the last play of the game.  So had he missed the kick, then you would agree that it was the recipe for beating the Bucs?  But because he hit the kick, you don't think it was the recipe for beating the bucs?

 

[travdogg]

But they didn’t even test it? Like not at all?

Waiving the white flag to an opponent’s run defense is a terrible way to play football, and it made the Cowboys 1-dimensional from the jump. 
 

Its also what kept them in the game. If they had committed to the run heavier, they start the game with a lot more 3 and outs. 

Dallas is a pass first team, this has been evident since late 2019. It won't be this lopsided most weeks, and Zeke is likely a solid buy-low if anyone is selling, though I can't imagine people throwing in the towel on their 1st round pick, but you never know.

Hat’s off to Dak & Co for keeping in it. I disagree with those who say that it’s the recipe for beating the Bucs. The Cowboys being 0-1 would seem to indicate otherwise. 

The bolded is a silly line. Dallas came closer to beating Tampa than anyone since week 13 of last season. Unless your takeaway is Dallas is a better team than Kansas City, Green Bay, New Orleans(with Brees) than the strategy was effective, as it worked a hell of a lot better, than what "better teams" did.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But if Succop misses that kick at the end, are you saying Dallas had a great game plan that they executed perfectly and took down the SB champs on the road?  Very easy to sit and criticize just because Succop hit the FG.... if he missed, I'm sure everyone would be praising their game plan and saying how great it was.

Nope. I’d be saying the same things I’m saying now. I would add that they were lucky to win on a missed FG by Succup, if that’s how they won.

What they did was undoubtedly impressive.  That they could go 95%+ pass against what’s supposed to be an elite TB defense and have that kind of success was incredible. 

But leaving a W-L to a coin flip “who has the ball last” college football style scenario isn’t great game management. 

Did anyone really see TB losing with 1:45 on the clock and getting the ball back? I mean, sure, they got help from the refs on an obvious OPI push-off; but they woulda still picked up enough yardage after that to get it done, IMO. 

If it was because Martin was out & they didn’t think they could trust the OL to protect Dak behind center, I can understand that. That makes sense. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I guess I’m in the minority then, because to me, better coaching means reducing “coin flip” endings and actually giving oneself a better chance to win.

The old adage about the best defense being a good offense. Keeping Brady on the sidelines is usually a good way to keep Brady from scoring. Dallas had no interest in doing that. 

The Bucs had 1 drive where they actually controlled the clock, towards the end of the game. That was the only time all game either team did that. 

And yeah, maybe the Bucs do have a great run defense. But to not even test that seems weird. And the few runs they tried were out of the shotgun, which isn’t exactly a recipe for success.

Hat’s off to Dak & Co for keeping in it. I disagree with those who say that it’s the recipe for beating the Bucs. The Cowboys being 0-1 would seem to indicate otherwise. 

Couldn't disagree more. Great game plan. Zeke was a decoy. 
 

FG miss, first lamb drop killed drive. Another was a pick. Missed FG. Non OPI call, no intentional grounding call. 
 

McCarthy can’t control any of that. 

 

[smbkrypt24]

Nope. I’d be saying the same things I’m saying now. I would add that they were lucky to win on a missed FG by Succup, if that’s how they won.

What they did was undoubtedly impressive.  That they could go 95%+ pass against what’s supposed to be an elite TB defense and have that kind of success was incredible. 

But leaving a W-L to a coin flip “who has the ball last” college football style scenario isn’t great game management. 

Did anyone really see TB losing with 1:45 on the clock and getting the ball back? I mean, sure, they got help from the refs on an obvious OPI push-off; but they woulda still picked up enough yardage after that to get it done, IMO. 

If it was because Martin was out & they didn’t think they could trust the OL to protect Dak behind center, I can understand that. That makes sense. 

Please stop repeatedly throwing out false numbers.  I quoted you up in the thread.  They ran on 19% of the plays.  That is not 95% plus or 99 to 1.  That is 81-19 if you want to break it down that way.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I just hate only looking at the result when the game is won on the last play of the game.  So had he missed the kick, then you would agree that it was the recipe for beating the Bucs?  But because he hit the kick, you don't think it was the recipe for beating the bucs?

Not at all. It had nothing to do with hitting the kick.

That should be clear from the rest of my post. 

how about this: if the Cowboys had run the ball even a little on that drive, they don’t give the ball back to Brady with ~2 mins only needing a FG to win. 

So now I’m looking at the same thing: zero time management. And it cost them the W. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Please stop repeatedly throwing out false numbers.  I quoted you up in the thread.  They ran on 19% of the plays.  That is not 95% plus or 99 to 1.  That is 81-19 if you want to break it down that way.  

Fine, 81% - it’s still preposterous. 
 

ETA: also, they ran 4 times in the 1st half of the game. 4. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Couldn't disagree more. Great game plan. Zeke was a decoy. 

weird way to use a supposedly elite football player.  Really limits ones playbook. 

 

[Deamon]

Not at all. It had nothing to do with hitting the kick.

That should be clear from the rest of my post. 

how about this: if the Cowboys had run the ball even a little on that drive, they don’t give the ball back to Brady with ~2 mins only needing a FG to win. 

So now I’m looking at the same thing: zero time management. And it cost them the W. 

Or they run the ball and don't get into FG range and stand on the sidelines watching Brady kneel the ball 4 times.

It didn't cost them the game, it was the only reason they were IN the game.  Easy to sit and say otherwise when you have the "they lost the game" argument to just default to.

 

[Deamon]

But leaving a W-L to a coin flip “who has the ball last” college football style scenario isn’t great game management. 

Pretty sure every Cowboys player and fan would take being up 1 without the ball and 1:30 on the clock if you offered it to them at the start of the game.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Or they run the ball and don't get into FG range and stand on the sidelines watching Brady kneel the ball 4 times.

It didn't cost them the game, it was the only reason they were IN the game.  Easy to sit and say otherwise when you have the "they lost the game" argument to just default to.

I’m not defaulting to that though - that’s what happened.

the larger point is keeping Brady off the field. This isn’t some out of left field strategy never before tested in the annals of NFL History….it’s actually a pretty tried & true strategy. Manning, Brees, Montana, etc. the best way to win a game is to keep the other team from scoring.

Sure you right - maybe they try to kill the clock and fail. But at that point of the game it’s 4-down territory, they could have at least tried.

TB had no time outs. Dallas didn’t even try to run the ball. That’s just poor time management. And the end result was predictable. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pretty sure every Cowboys player and fan would take being up 1 without the ball and 1:30 on the clock if you offered it to them at the start of the game.

Maybe so.

I sure wouldn’t be happy about that game pan. Not against Brady. 

 

[Deamon]

I’m not defaulting to that though - that’s what happened.

the larger point is keeping Brady off the field. This isn’t some out of left field strategy never before tested in the annals of NFL History….it’s actually a pretty tried & true strategy. Manning, Brees, Montana, etc. the best way to win a game is to keep the other team from scoring.

Sure you right - maybe they try to kill the clock and fail. But at that point of the game it’s 4-down territory, they could have at least tried.

TB had no time outs. Dallas didn’t even try to run the ball. That’s just poor time management. And the end result was predictable. 

So you're saying the 4 rushes in the first half were okay, you're just now saying on the final drive they should have ran the ball more?

What if they took your overall strategy and ran the ball more in the first half and weren't even in the game at the end like they were?

 

[Deamon]

Maybe so.

I sure wouldn’t be happy about that game pan. Not against Brady. 

Meh, I'm an Eagles fan.  It worked for us in the Super Bowl.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Meh, I'm an Eagles fan.  It worked for us in the Super Bowl.

Fair point. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So you're saying the 4 rushes in the first half were okay, you're just now saying on the final drive they should have ran the ball more?

no, I’ve consistently said (all the way back to the in-game topic) that the 4 rushes in the 1st half were completely unacceptable and weird.

they should have at least tried to run the ball from the jump & seemingly abandoned the run in the pre-game locker room. 

What if they took your overall strategy and ran the ball more in the first half and weren't even in the game at the end like they were?

We’ll never know, because they didn’t. 

 

[Deamon]

no, I’ve consistently said (all the way back to the in-game topic) that the 4 rushes in the 1st half were completely unacceptable and weird.

they should have at least tried to run the ball from the jump & seemingly abandoned the run in the pre-game locker room. 

We’ll never know, because they didn’t. 

You're right, we'll never know.  Nor would their strategy even be remotely questioned if Succop's kick missed.  You really think the headlines would be "Dallas had a horrible game plan and got lucky against the Bucs" haha.  All the insiders, all the headlines, all the talk would be about how they adjusted their game plan to perfection against the Bucs and took down the champs.

 

[nittanylion]

Jason Garrett would have run the ball repeatedly, successful or not (which judging by the way the elite Bucs run defense has handled other elite RB's in recent history, would have been, at best marginally successful), and the Cowboys would likely have lost last night, and possibly by the spread. Cowboys were a massive underdog last night, and were in the game until the very last play. McCarthy used the portion of his elite offense that was keeping them neck-and-neck with an equally elite offense and better defense, on the road, season-opener, prime-time. Part of good coaching is using what works effectively until the other Team proves they can stop it...and the Bucs were not able to stop it. Much respect for McGovern. The only weak link on that line last night was Conner Williams, and the 'boys were able to minimize his shortcomings, and for the most part, keep Dak clean so he could keep carving up the Bucs secondary. I don't have an issue with his game-planning, at all. What the Cowboys accomplised last night, even in a losing effort, was no mean feat.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You're right, we'll never know.  Nor would their strategy even be remotely questioned if Succop's kick missed.  You really think the headlines would be "Dallas had a horrible game plan and got lucky against the Bucs" haha.  All the insiders, all the headlines, all the talk would be about how they adjusted their game plan to perfection against the Bucs and took down the champs.

We’ll never know.

it certainly wouldn’t have been “Dallas brilliant run game and clock management kept Brady & Co off the field in a 1-sided affair”, that’s for sure. 

I mean, while we’re entertaining hypotheticals.

Also, pinning one’s hopes to an opponent missing a FG doesn’t seem like awesome strategy to me, and I’m not really certain there would have been such glowing praise for Dallas over it had Succup missed, as you assert. 

 

[Gally]

folks keep saying this. Ok, if that means going 60-40 or even 70-30, I get it. 

but 99-1 is a weird resignation. Like a surrender. 

I am interested to see if any other team completely abandons the run before the game starts. 

It's not really a surrender when it worked

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jason Garrett would have run the ball repeatedly, successful or not (which judging by the way the elite Bucs run defense has handled other elite RB's in recent history, would have been, at best marginally successful), and the Cowboys would likely have lost last night, and possibly by the spread. Cowboys were a massive underdog last night, and were in the game until the very last play. McCarthy used the portion of his elite offense that was keeping them neck-and-neck with an equally elite offense and better defense, on the road, season-opener, prime-time. Part of good coaching is using what works effectively until the other Team proves they can stop it...and the Bucs were not able to stop it. Much respect for McGovern. The only weak link on that line last night was Conner Williams, and the 'boys were able to minimize his shortcomings, and for the most part, keep Dak clean so he could keep carving up the Bucs secondary. I don't have an issue with his game-planning, at all. What the Cowboys accomplised last night, even in a losing effort, was no mean feat.

I appreciate your take, but had RoJo & Godwin not fumbled, and had Lenny not Volleyball’d that pass into a pick, the Cowboys would have lost by more than the spread. 

I won’t include the fail Mary, because it didn’t result in points, but TB gifted 3 possessions to the Cowboys (including giving away almost certain points on the Godwin fumble) so let’s not all pretend Dallas hung with the Bucs as tough as is being asserted. 

 

[Cobbler1]

We’ll never know.

it certainly wouldn’t have been “Dallas brilliant run game and clock management kept Brady & Co off the field in a 1-sided affair”, that’s for sure. 

I mean, while we’re entertaining hypotheticals.

Also, pinning one’s hopes to an opponent missing a FG doesn’t seem like awesome strategy to me, and I’m not really certain there would have been such glowing praise for Dallas over it had Succup missed, as you assert. 

You’re aware Dallas had the ball 34:30 right?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's not really a surrender when it worked

Did it though? 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You’re aware Dallas had the ball 34:30 right?

The 3 turnovers helped that quite a bit. 

 

[oswizzle]

Hopefully Fatso gets some touches next game and Tony P doesn't outscore him.... He did Block a ton last night.... but man...too much focus on his hair and beard...not enough on his game.... old Zeke would have take that short pass to the house

 

[Deamon]

We’ll never know.

it certainly wouldn’t have been “Dallas brilliant run game and clock management kept Brady & Co off the field in a 1-sided affair”, that’s for sure. 

I mean, while we’re entertaining hypotheticals.

Also, pinning one’s hopes to an opponent missing a FG doesn’t seem like awesome strategy to me, and I’m not really certain there would have been such glowing praise for Dallas over it had Succup missed, as you assert. 

No, but why would the headlines have to be about the run game?  This makes no sense man.  The headlines would have been about how they adjusted their game plan brilliantly vs that specific defense, and took down the champs. 

There ABSOLUTELY would have been glowing praise for Dallas if they pulled off the upset of the week and beat Tampa last night.  C'mon man.

 

[Gally]

Did it though? 

Yes.  Dallas was a huge underdog so getting the game to a "coin flip" (your words) is working.  Nobody expected this to be a close game and Dallas had a chance to win.  To me that says the game plan worked because they weren't even expected to be in the game.  

 

[Cobbler1]

The 3 turnovers helped that quite a bit. 

4. One was with no time left. One was in the end zone. The Bucs had one of their own too. So marginal help. Running isn’t the only way to control the clock. Doing what you do best in the matchup and keeping the ball is.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

4. One was with no time left. One was in the end zone. The Bucs had one of their own too. So marginal help. Running isn’t the only way to control the clock. Doing what you do best in the matchup and keeping the ball is.

I’m not counting the “fail Mary” because there were ~12 seconds on the clock & the turnover didn’t give Dallas another possession. 

Side-note, up 6, I still can’t believe Arians tried that. Seemed ridiculously risky. Take a knee and bring your lead to halftime. Head-scratcher. 

 

[Judge Smails]

Hopefully Fatso gets some touches next game and Tony P doesn't outscore him.... He did Block a ton last night.... but man...too much focus on his hair and beard...not enough on his game.... old Zeke would have take that short pass to the house

Fatso? I thought he looked like he was in the best shape he’s been in in the last 3 years

 

[Cobbler1]

I’m not counting the “fail Mary” because there were ~12 seconds on the clock & the turnover didn’t give Dallas another possession. 

Side-note, up 6, I still can’t believe Arians tried that. Seemed ridiculously risky. Take a knee and bring your lead to halftime. Head-scratcher. 

Seems fairly normal to try a Hail Mary there. McCarthy doing the fg I thought was worse.

 

[Deamon]

Seems fairly normal to try a Hail Mary there. McCarthy doing the fg I thought was worse.

Ya I'm not sure how that Hail Mary is incredibly risky.  Everyone does that.

But again, you're going on the result of 'the guy almost got a td return from it".  Had a Buc caught it, it would have been an amazing decision on highlight reals for months.  

Gotta stop looking at the result. Sports are weird and weird things happen that aren't predictable.  Only looking at the result and saying "well they lost the game so their plan must not have been that great" or "well he didn't catch the hail mary so there was no point in it" is incredibly short-visioned.

 

[LawFitz]

I like the heavy-pass strategy and think it was proven to be a good call, given the way this game played out. That said, the one point where I think the running game should've been emphasized more was on the last Cowboys drive - they should have bled the clock more, or at least tried to do so. Leaving Brady >1 min, plus a TO with only needing a FG to win is not going to get it done most weeks.

I am so convinced of the bolded that I think the right call may even have been to go for it on 4th and 6 at the end, rather than kick the FG. Based on the relative success of the Cowboys O and D to that point in this game, the smarter bet may have been on the O converting that down over the D stopping Brady.

 

[Cobbler1]

Ya I'm not sure how that Hail Mary is incredibly risky.  Everyone does that.

But again, you're going on the result of 'the guy almost got a td return from it".  Had a Buc caught it, it would have been an amazing decision on highlight reals for months.  

Gotta stop looking at the result. Sports are weird and weird things happen that aren't predictable.  Only looking at the result and saying "well they lost the game so their plan must not have been that great" or "well he didn't catch the hail mary so there was no point in it" is incredibly short-visioned.

Yup it seems obvious to most that running a lot would have resulted in less success, less sustained drives, and a lesser chance at winning.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Seems fairly normal to try a Hail Mary there. McCarthy doing the fg I thought was worse.

That 60 yard attempt after he’d missed from 31 & PAT (33?) was equally terrible. 

 

[smbkrypt24]

That 60 yard attempt after he’d missed from 31 & PAT (33?) was equally terrible. 

I am right there with you on this one. I was like what the..... He missed a chip shot and now you want to try a 60 yarder.

The kick actually turned out to be pretty close, but still that decision had me befuddled.

 

[tangfoot]

I am right there with you on this one. I was like what the..... He missed a chip shot and now you want to try a 60 yarder.

The kick actually turned out to be pretty close, but still that decision had me befuddled.

I thought he was known as "The Leg"?  Why did he leave a 60-yard field goal short?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ya I'm not sure how that Hail Mary is incredibly risky.  Everyone does that.

But again, you're going on the result of 'the guy almost got a td return from it".  Had a Buc caught it, it would have been an amazing decision on highlight reals for months.  
 

no, I’m not. I’m going by the “have the lead, take a knee and go to the locker room with the lead” instead of trying a very low % play where a much higher % of bad things can happen, including an opposing score or injury. 

it had nothing whatever to do with the result. Everyone doesn’t do that, and on the Pats, Brady takes a knee there 100x out of 100. Hoodie doesn’t take risks like that. 

Gotta stop looking at the result.
 

I wasn’t. At all. 

Sports are weird and weird things happen that aren't predictable.  Only looking at the result and saying "well they lost the game so their plan must not have been that great" or "well he didn't catch the hail mary so there was no point in it" is incredibly short-visioned.

Excellent observation, except I wasn’t doing that. It’s a nice narrative, it’s just not applicable to my belief that the fail Mary (and abandoning the run from the jump) was bad strategy. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am right there with you on this one. I was like what the..... He missed a chip shot and now you want to try a 60 yarder.

The kick actually turned out to be pretty close, but still that decision had me befuddled.

The short field that resulted was just insane to give to Brady. Sheer madness. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I thought he was known as "The Leg"?  Why did he leave a 60-yard field goal short?

Dude hasn’t been that in a while. Last night he was the yip. lol

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Are you sure you didn’t mean to type “take” instead of “sauce” when you created your forum account? 

 

[Deamon]

I wasn’t. At all. 

Excellent observation, except I wasn’t doing that. It’s a nice narrative, it’s just not applicable to my belief that the fail Mary (and abandoning the run from the jump) was bad strategy. 

You were with the "they didn't run Zeke enough" narrative.

Again, you're in the vast minority here of those thinking their game plan was bad last night.  It was great and I was really impressed that they could have won the game there.  They would have been praised for their game plan by just about everyone (except for you) if Succop's kick missed.  It's sports, things happen.  It's clear that their strategy worked.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You were with the "they didn't run Zeke enough" narrative

I still am. If it weren’t for the gifted turnovers, Dallas wouldn’t have been in this game. 

Talk about looking at the end results. The majority seems to think this was great strategy by the Cowboys & not the result of some good luck. 

Again, you're in the vast minority here of those thinking their game plan was bad last night. 

wouldn’t be the 1st time. 

point of fact: being in the majority doesn’t mean the majority is right. 

that’s called an “appeal to the masses”. 

it was great and I was really impressed that they could have won the game there.  They would have been praised for their game plan by just about everyone (except for you) if Succop's kick missed.  It's sports, things happen.  It's clear that their strategy worked.

I disagree. Succup would have been called a choker if he missed, & Dallas wouldn’t deserve a second of praise for an opposing kicker’s missed FG. 

Had they not gifted DAL 3 possessions (2 with a short field & one on what was surely a scoring drive) then TB would have won that game by 20. While we’re making hypotheticals and all.