In your opinion, not mine. Again unless it's extraordinary one way or the other.There is a correlation in 40 times and draft capital with RBs.
Tex
In your opinion, not mine. Again unless it's extraordinary one way or the other.There is a correlation in 40 times and draft capital with RBs.
Tex
I had to break up my searches here so pardon the formatting:menobrown said:Regarding the bolded:
I don't think the real actual NFL decision makers put nearly as much stock in the 40 time as some of you do. I mean we just saw a RB run a 4.62 pro day go in round one as first RB off the board last year.
I don't think I mentioned fantasy one time in my post so not sure why you keep saying all that stuff. That was actual simply the actual NFL rushing leaders I was referencing.
Wasn't @menobrown using 4.45 as a cutoff? Not sure how much that matters.I had to break up my searches here so pardon the formatting:
Between 2000-2005: 18, 1st round RB’s. 7 of the 18 ran above 4.55.
Between 2006-2011: 18, 1st round RB’s. 1 of the 18 ran above 4.55.
Between 2012-2019: 12, 1st round RB’s. 1 of the 12 ran above 4.55.
Is Dobbins still suffering from a high ankle sprain that could affect whether he runs the 40, or doesn't do well?Wasn't @menobrown using 4.45 as a cutoff? Not sure how much that matters.
I’m not sure. I didn’t want to jump in the middle of the argument just show what the NFL does. The only 4.6 plus guys drafted round 1 since 2006 were Mark Ingram and Josh Jacobs. I don’t think pointing to Jacobs as “the NFL doesn’t care” isn’t the reality of the situation.Wasn't @menobrown using 4.45 as a cutoff? Not sure how much that matters.
I read a quote by him that said it's still bothering him a bit.Is Dobbins still suffering from a high ankle sprain that could affect whether he runs the 40, or doesn't do well?
No offense but that does not really tell me anything. I would venture to guess most of the RB's who are chosen are more naturally athletic then those that are not.I had to break up my searches here so pardon the formatting:
Between 2000-2005: 18, 1st round RB’s. 7 of the 18 ran above 4.55.
Between 2006-2011: 18, 1st round RB’s. 1 of the 18 ran above 4.55.
Between 2012-2019: 12, 1st round RB’s. 1 of the 12 ran above 4.55.
Whether it effects “draft stock” or not, it effects being a first round pick. Honestly I don’t care where he goes and as long as he runs under a 4.6 I’d probably consider it ok, prefer close to or below 4.5. Especially at 209.No offense but that does not really tell me anything. I would venture to guess most of the RB's who are chosen are more naturally athletic then those that are not.
Using that arbitrary 4.55 forty time and that similar arbitrary 2000-2019 timeframe I come up with 70 RB's who ran under 4.55 who did not get drafted.
There is probably no way to know this answer. It's why I simply replied to the last person who said it impacts draft stock as your opinion, not mine.
Teams tell us this every year but I guess no one believes them, that most of their draft board is set before the combine. A drastically fast or slow 40 time might move them but unless it's something crazy one way or the other I don't think it impacts them. Again I don't see a way for anyone to use stats to prove one person's theory right or wrong.
Al Davis by the way would have been an exception to everything I'm saying but he was a different guy.
Again, as I told the last person, your opinion not mine.Whether it effects “draft stock” or not, it effects being a first round pick. Honestly I don’t care where he goes and as long as he runs under a 4.6 I’d probably consider it ok, prefer close to or below 4.5. Especially at 209.
It’s not an opinion when it’s happened twice in 15 years. This isn't feelings.Again, as I told the last person, your opinion not mine.
Difference between me and you is I respect your right to have your opinion and you try and pawn off your opinion as facts. I don't care to engage any longer with people like this(you).It’s not an opinion when it’s happened twice in 15 years. This isn't feelings.
You just engaged me. You try to argue against facts by calling them opinions. Don’t worry, I’ll mute your silliness. It’s clear you don’t want to add anything of relevance to this board anyway. Just want to be “right”.Difference between me and you is I respect your right to have your opinion and you try and pawn off your opinion as facts. I don't care to engage any longer with people like this(you).
Wow, get over yourself. Could you pack more arrogance into a paragraph than this?Difference between me and you is I respect your right to have your opinion and you try and pawn off your opinion as facts. I don't care to engage any longer with people like
Yea I can see were saying I respect your right to have your opinion would be taken as arrogant and full of myself. How awful of me to say.Wow, get over yourself. Could you pack more arrogance into a paragraph than this?
I wasn't even involved in the conversation, but I don't think anyone reading your messages would find them respectful. You're clearly looking to troll people here because you're having a bad day.Yea I can see were saying I respect your right to have your opinion would be taken as arrogant and full of myself. How awful of me to say.
The last I heard Dobbins was uncertain if he will run all the drills at the combine because he is still feeling the affects of the HAS he is recovering from.Is Dobbins still suffering from a high ankle sprain that could affect whether he runs the 40, or doesn't do well?
But dad, he poked mePlease everyone be more cool to each other.
Ohio State RB J.K. Dobbins posted 23 bench press reps at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Dobbins (5'9/209) was in the upper-echelon of RB's on the bench, as his 23 reps is a strong showing for a back his size. The AP All-American and Big Ten Running Back of the Year eclipsed the 2,000 yard mark in 2019 and is considered to be one of the top-five running backs in the 2020 draft class. The Athletic's Dan Brugler is perhaps the highest on Dobbins, grading him as the top RB in a very talented group. He views Dobbins as a potential Day 1 selection though he cautions that there may not be a RB selected in the first 20 picks.
SOURCE: NFL.com
Feb 28, 2020, 1:13 PM ET
NFL Network's Kimberly Jones reports that Ohio State RB J.K. Dobbins won't take part in athletic testing at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Dobbins (5/9/209) suffered a high-ankle sprain during OSU's Playoff semifinal loss to Clemson at the end of December and came into the combine week up-in-the-air as to whether he would test. Looks like that would be a negative. Assuming Dobbins is at full strength in a month, he'll have a shot to go through his testing paces during Ohio State's pro day on March 25.
SOURCE: Kevin Noon on Twitter
Feb 28, 2020, 5:34 PM ET
Ohio State RB J.K. Dobbins visited the Dolphins on Friday.
All reports signal the Dolphins "hope to land a long-term running back in the first three rounds of the draft" and Dobbins is clearly among that group. Running backs coach Eric Studesville also worked with Wisconsin RB Jonathan Taylor at the Badgers' recent Pro Day. LSU's Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Georgia's D'Andre Swift, Florida State's Cam Akers, and Utah's Zack Moss are among the other candidates Miami has expressed interest in.
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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Mar 13, 2020, 10:29 AM ET
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Pro Football Network's Tone Pauline writes Ohio State RB J.K. Dobbins "offers potential as a feature back at the next level as a runner and pass catcher."
While Pauline shares concerns about Dobbins (5'9/209) being a "one-speed" back whose one speed is not particularly threatening, he is impressed with every other aspect of the Buckeye RB's game. Pauline writes Dobbins is a "skilled ball carrier" who "displays great patience, waits for blocks to develop and effectively uses them everywhere on the field." As far as the intricacies of the position goes, Dobbins checks all the boxes and should be able to at least provide a baseline quality of play in all phases of the game. Expect Dobbins to be one of the first RBs off the board on draft weekend.
SOURCE: Pro Football Network
Mar 30, 2020, 4:25 PM ET
Drool[Yates] One position that some believe would be worth even more investment on offense for the Chiefs would be running back. A pairing that seems to make sense is Ohio State’s J.K. Dobbins if he’s available at pick 32. He’s a player they’ve FaceTimed with. One of the draft’s top backs.
https://twitter.com/fieldyates/status/1246170338922242048?s=21
It's going to be Swift to the Chiefs if he makes it that far because they're not going to be able to resist it.my favorite RB in the draft. Already have a lot of him in bestball
Him to the Chiefs would just be...
I don’t think KC will Draft a running back in the 1st because there’s no for them to do so. I could see them maybe drafting one in the 2nd or 3rd but Williams performed well in the playoffs. It shouldn’t be a major priority unless Swift falls to them in the 2nd. It seems as if you’re saying they’ll draft him if he falls in the 1st round, I’m just not 100% sure that’s a high priority for them unless they view it as a luxury pic.It's going to be Swift to the Chiefs if he makes it that far because they're not going to be able to resist it.
That's my call. You heard it here first. Swift is the first back taken by Miami or KC.
eta* Y'all realize this is just an opinion, right?![]()
I think you're right. I was spitballing because I hold the 1.01 in dynasty and want to see Swift there as the piece of the draft to maybe trade down and pick up a bounty of picks for it. So that this helps others, I think KC picks at 32, 63, 96, 138, and 177.I don’t think KC will Draft a running back in the 1st because there’s no for them to do so. I could see them maybe drafting one in the 2nd or 3rd but Williams performed well in the playoffs. It shouldn’t be a major priority unless Swift falls to them in the 2nd. It seems as if you’re saying they’ll draft him if he falls in the 1st round, I’m just not 100% sure that’s a high priority for them unless they view it as a luxury pic.
MHO,
Tex
Sigmund Bloom and company were pooh-poohing TB as a good RB destination. I think they gave it an "eh..."If Dobbins goes to TB he should be 1.01
Seems like he's not exactly thrilled with Dobbins as a prospect.miqws said:Greg Cosell prospect evaluation: J.K. Dobbins
https://twitter.com/gregcosell/status/1247551071649763328?s=21
Yeah there is a tweet where he does his little write up boxes that shows Dobbins next to Johnathan Taylor. I had to try a few times before I saw that.Seems like he's not exactly thrilled with Dobbins as a prospect.
Weber was playing injured 2017, so Dobbins got the bulk. The team wanted to do more of an even split in 2018 and neither of them ever really got into a rhythm. Lots of blame to go around- program dysfunction, poor o line play, but JK said it himself - we just didn't play well.Dr. Dan said:OSU guys-
Why did Dobbins have such a great freshman year and then lose carries to Weber 2018? 2019 was a huge year... 2017 was impressive as well... but what happened in 2018?
IIRC it was speculated by many but never made official by him nor the team.I read somewhere Dobbins was dealing with an injury that year. That true?