Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Thinly veiled WDIS post, but is Dobbins a better start vs the Jags than guys like Carson or Montgomery? Apologies for the WDIS nature but it may be helpful establishing his value at this point of the season.
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RB J.K. Dobbins, Free Agent (1 Viewer)
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
I know. I have both. I have Chubb who is no doubt. Then I have Drake. Tougher matchup, guaranteed touches. Hard to leave him out as he gets goal line plunges. Kyler can steal but not as much as Lamar. Balt can have 5 TD’s on the ground though.egofailure said:
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think it would actually open their offense up quite a bit if he would do this more, and if they would call (a lot) more screens and flares and such.
In an improvised play it's probably better for Lamar to just keep it in the open field and pick up what he can. He is likely a better runner with the ball than who he is dumping it off too. The risk is injury to Lamar and I am sure the coaching staff would prefer to lower that risk wherever possible.
Now calling more screens and planned short passes in the flat is probably something that would benefit the team as a whole and open up some things if they can run them properly.
I agree especially as defenses start to/continue to crowd the middle of the field. Dobbins flaring out wide could create issues for that defensive setup. However you also have teams playing a lot of zone to keep eyes on Lamar so maybe the corner is staying in the flat. I’ve mentioned this before, I’m not sure the screen game works. You have a LB or 2 already keeping eyes on Lamar and a lot of zone being played as well keeping eyes in the backfield.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
All aboard the Dobbins train
Stat Correction
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The Captain
Footballguy
Have to decide between Dobbins, Jacobs and Wilson and don’t trust any of them. I need upside so likely going with Dobbins in the hope he breaks off a couple big runs for TD. Jacobs on a short week coming off injury and not performing for several weeks feels like a big MEH so I’m hoping this is JK’s week.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Had to start Agholar last night and Dobbins in the flex in case Juilio didnt play. Julio officially out so Dobbins stays in- hope he does something!
Faust
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Rig24
Footballguy
Rig24
Footballguy
here i thought a bid lead would lead to running the ball...LJax got plenty of runs in the 2nd.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Just kept waiting for him to break one and he never did
They had some very encouraging designed runs for him today. Handing it to him while he was in motion at full speed rather than plugging him up the middle like they do with Edwards. Nice to see the are figuring ways to take advantage of his strengths. 4-5 more touches a game and he enters RB1 land.
GoBirds
Footballguy
He’s making my decision tougher....can you keep him for a 4th if you only get one and the other option is James Robinson for an 8th? Can’t keep him can I?
The Frankman
Footballguy
popeye
Footballguy
Dobbins had 805 yards on 134 rushes (6 yards per carry) 24 receptions for 120 yards
Robinson has 1,070 yards on 240 rushes (4.5 yards per carry) 60 receptions for 344 yards - with one game to go
Robinson for an 8th is better value - but I expect Dobbins to have better numbers than Robinson next season.
Robinson has 1,070 yards on 240 rushes (4.5 yards per carry) 60 receptions for 344 yards - with one game to go
Robinson for an 8th is better value - but I expect Dobbins to have better numbers than Robinson next season.
GoBirds
Footballguy
I love me some Dobbins too, great points but does Lawrence open up that offense significantly as well you have to consider while Lamar took a step back this year.
jm192
Footballguy
Hopefully you don't have to make the decision anytime soon.
I've been sky high on Dobbins and got him in 2/3 Dynasty leagues and my 1 keeper league. I think he'll fly up draft boards as the Baltimore backfield clears up. He's been hyper efficient and has to be in line for a substantially larger workload next season. I think he'll be an RB1.
Robinson had a helluva season, but I'm concerned they'll have some help next season.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Great points, no decision anytime soon. I agree I think Dobbins blows up with Ingram gone and being the lead back.
The Frankman
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Lack of receptions too. Will Dobbins ever have 40+ catches with Jackson at QB? Henry and Chubb can get away with it, because they are the 2 best runners in the league, will Dobbins ever be on that level?
Gus Edwards is really good in the role they use him in. He runs hard, downhill and hits the hole quick on those dive plays. Lamar keeps the DE honest and Gus gets through quickly. I don't see Dobbins in that role as much so I think Baltimore will continue with the time share as they did last year as the season went on. It keeps everyone fresh and complimentary. Dobbins is the guy I prefer obviously for fantasy but Gus isn't going to go away.satch said:
satch
Footballguy
To a lesser extent, I suppose. But he was a rookie with no training camp or preseason. Still, as a rookie in a timeshare he averaged 6.0 ypc, with 9 TDs, and 8 runs of 20+ yards. And looked awesome doing it.
Dobbins enters 2021 as the clear lead back with a year of experience in a now-familiar system. If we safely assume he will improve in year two, with more volume, I think we should expect a pretty great season from JK.
satch
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I agree...until December anyway. If both players get to that point healthy and Dobbins has taken the step up I expect him to then I think they alter usage at that point and lean more on JK. I think a greater variable in this situation is if the passing game develops.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have been impressed with him every time I see them play. It really is a change of pace how Edwards runs and it does seem to be a response to how defenses are playing them some times. I have seen the Ravens offense struggling and then Edwards pops a big run or two and give them a spark they can work off of.
No question Dobbins is the better overall RB and should get more opportunity in his 2nd season, but I think Gus role of 130-140 rushing attempts he has had the last 3 seasons remains that way.
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massraider
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I like this comparison a lot. Give Bradshaw some after burners and better health and you have Dobbins.
I am not ready to say Dobbins has as good of vision or is as skilled as Bradshaw was, because those traits really stood out with him due to the lack of overall athleticism he had compared to his peers. Bradshaw did have a good 3 cone time but thats about it.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
That's great, but they also need to work on the play calling to get him passes because they aren't going to come from check downs from a guy who runs as much as Lamar.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah it would be nice if they emphasized that more. FWIW when I had Ingram in 2019 he had more designed targets than you might think. But yeah those dumpoffs just aren't there.
However, in upside land, maybe Dobbins breaks a couple long screens early in the season and it becomes a thing.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
He has averaged 130 rushing attempts the last 3 seasons. That is 8 per game so with the extra game 138.
Unless you think his workload will increase because of the new contract and departure of Ingram?
I was thinking his workload would stay the same but that Dobbins opportunity would increase as no Ingram and maybe some Justice Hill or something sprinkled in as well but most of Ingrams work going to Dobbins.
