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Not in most dynasty drafts he isn't. Not saying he doesn't deserve to be, only that he will be drafted 3rd or 4th in most leagues.Nope, #2
Not in most dynasty drafts he isn't. Not saying he doesn't deserve to be, only that he will be drafted 3rd or 4th in most leagues.Nope, #2
I am very much interested in getting the lead back in the Ravens offense. TD vulture or not.Not one comment on Lamar vulturing goal-line TD's? If Jackson weren't there I'd be on board with him as RB3 but Dobbins might not score 6 rushing TD's in a season.
I am very much interested in getting the lead back in the Ravens offense. TD vulture or not.
Steve Wiltfong, Director of Recruiting for 247Sports, believes that existing numbers for Dobbins are already more than enough to show NFL scouts, coaches and executives that is one of the most athletic running backs that this class has to offer.
"Dobbins was a unique athlete, the most athletic prospect in his class (out of high school) if you’re going off the Sparq Rating from what was then Nike Football’s The Opening Finals," Wiltfong said. "He laid down a blistering fast 4.45 40-yard dash with a 4.09 shuttle and a 43-1 inch vertical (I’m always suspect of those verticals, but still) at a listed 5-foot-10, 201-pounds.
Baltimore has easy out on Ingram after this season.Ingram has been one of my favorite players to own in dynasty. One of the most versatile, efficient and consistent RBs over the last 5 years and has held practically no value with non-owners the entire time.
I think this will be the last year he's startable. To me it has the feel of a 50/50 split to keep Ingram fresh and let Dobbins ease in. I think both will be starting on fantasy teams throughout the year and take turns getting in the end zone week to week.
I expect Taylor and CEH to be taken at 1.02, and to have the above decision to make.Yeah I drastically underestimated the size of the Ravens' offense. So the only real concerns are sustainability and Dobbins' share in the short term. Even assuming they can sustain that offense, how much of it does Dobbins get over the next 1-3 years? How long does Ingram keep his ceiling capped? It seems each of Dobbins, Swift, and Akers have this same question and whoever gets those answers right is gonna win some titles.
https://twitter.com/willbrinson/status/1253850995450355712?s=21Will Brinson @WillBrinson
Ravens dip into analytics with their running back selection. Every single one of their RBs thrives running out of shotgun.
JK Dobbins 2nd most yards from gun last year in college per @SportsInfo_SIS
260 carries, 1755 yards, 18 TD, 6.8 ypc from shotgun
Good posting. I like dobbins, perhaps even as 1.02. I think the Lions will use swift frustratingly just as they used kerryon frustratingly in the past. Dobbins is a safe pick imo, and will split work in year 1.I expect Taylor and CEH to be taken at 1.02, and to have the above decision to make.
The stability of the BAL franchise is appealing.
And Akers behind that. He obviously values wr in dynasty more.Mike Clay hates himself some JK All Day has him #11 on the dynasty rookie ranking list
https://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/28828241/2020-fantasy-football-top-80-rookie-rankings-dynasty-leagues
Top 80 Rookies For Dynasty Leagues
1. Clyde Edwards-HelaireRBLSURB1KC21-4
2. Jerry JeudyWRAlabamaWR1DEN21-4
3. CeeDee LambWROklahomaWR2DAL21-5
4. Jonathan TaylorRBWisconsinRB2IND21-7
5. Henry Ruggs IIIWRAlabamaWR3LV21-7
6. D'Andre SwiftRBGeorgiaRB3DET21-7
7. Tee HigginsWRClemsonWR4CIN21-7
8. Brandon AiyukWRArizona StateWR5SF22-5
9. Justin JeffersonWRLouisiana StateWR6MIN21-2
10. Jalen ReagorWRTCUWR7PHI21-8
11. J.K. DobbinsRBOhio StateRB4BAL21
I'm cool with that.And Akers behind that. He obviously values wr in dynasty more.
CEH - talented player, first rb drafted, perfect situation, perfect scheme fitMike Clay hates himself some JK All Day has him #11 on the dynasty rookie ranking list
https://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/28828241/2020-fantasy-football-top-80-rookie-rankings-dynasty-leagues
Top 80 Rookies For Dynasty Leagues
1. Clyde Edwards-HelaireRBLSURB1KC21-4
2. Jerry JeudyWRAlabamaWR1DEN21-4
3. CeeDee LambWROklahomaWR2DAL21-5
4. Jonathan TaylorRBWisconsinRB2IND21-7
5. Henry Ruggs IIIWRAlabamaWR3LV21-7
6. D'Andre SwiftRBGeorgiaRB3DET21-7
7. Tee HigginsWRClemsonWR4CIN21-7
8. Brandon AiyukWRArizona StateWR5SF22-5
9. Justin JeffersonWRLouisiana StateWR6MIN21-2
10. Jalen ReagorWRTCUWR7PHI21-8
11. J.K. DobbinsRBOhio StateRB4BAL21
Baltimore Ravens: RB J.K. Dobbins. It's hard to upgrade a running game that's already viewed as the best in the business, but Dobbins will give the Ravens' offense a little more explosiveness in the backfield. The 5-foot-9, 209-pound workhorse is a dynamic runner with exceptional vision, balance and body control. He finished his Ohio State career as the second-leading rusher in school history on the strength of a junior campaign that culminated in a 2,000-yard season while leading the Buckeyes into the College Football Playoffs. Despite the presence of Mark Ingram, Gus Edwards and Justice Hillin the backfield, the addition of a blue-chip runner to a read-option attack spearheaded by the reigning MVP (Lamar Jackson) could make the Ravens' running game downright scary to defend in 2020.
The more I watched of Dobbins run, the more I was pretty sure he was at least vying for the best back of the draft. I think I was wrong about CEH, too, so that's not a knock on him. Dobbins is just freakish.Dobbins is insane. Easily RB3 this draft and had potential to be RB1 if he participated in the combine. His spot is more ideal than CEH's IMO
I agree. The more I watch him, I think I'm returning him to the #2 behind Swift in my rankings. I'm leery of guys who skip the combine. I think if we had an athletic profile of guys like Trent Richardson and Devante Booker, they wouldn't have been over-drafted. However, when I watch Dobbins, I can't imagine him having a poor combine.The more I watched of Dobbins run, the more I was pretty sure he was at least vying for the best back of the draft. I think I was wrong about CEH, too, so that's not a knock on him. Dobbins is just freakish.
In spite of Taylor's college success and great combine, two RB prospects were drafted ahead of him. For fantasy, I agree with those two prospects (CEH and Swift) and I'll add a third - J.K. Dobbins. Taylor is #4 for me.Taylor was one of the most successful college running backs in history and had a great Combine on top of it. He is the best RB prospect in this class. Also, IND has a great OL. He can catch but Wisconsin doesn't ask backs to do that much.
I get what you're saying but the pro scouts and those that did it for a living felt a little differently in their evaluations. A lot of it is catching the football, too. I'm not sure where they stand on these guys as pure ball carriers because they're not saying anything about it. Who's gonna denigrate him when they have to face him or, worse, possibility denigrate their own guy by saying something? We won't know exactly what they thought until they get fired.Taylor was one of the most successful college running backs in history and had a great Combine on top of it. He is the best RB prospect in this class. Also, IND has a great OL. He can catch but Wisconsin doesn't ask backs to do that much.
Phillip Rivers does. So my guess is he outperforms a lot of people's expectations in PPR.Taylor was one of the most successful college running backs in history and had a great Combine on top of it. He is the best RB prospect in this class. Also, IND has a great OL. He can catch but Wisconsin doesn't ask backs to do that much.
If I'm asking myself which of these guys could have a HOF career, a multi-year Pro Bowler--there is only one--Taylor--that one could even entertain that question. His ceiling is so much higher. And I would argue his floor is very solid too because Mack is no threat and IND has a great offensive line.I get what you're saying but the pro scouts and those that did it for a living felt a little differently in their evaluations. A lot of it is catching the football, too. I'm not sure where they stand on these guys as pure ball carriers because they're not saying anything about it. Who's gonna denigrate him when they have to face him or, worse, possibility denigrate their own guy by saying something? We won't know exactly what they thought until they get fired.
Then we respectfully disagree. He may be a wonderful pro. I just don't think he looks that great, but what do I know? I'm no scout.If I'm asking myself which of these guys could have a HOF career, a multi-year Pro Bowler--there is only one--Taylor--that one could even entertain that question. His ceiling is so much higher. And I would argue his floor is very solid too because Mack is no threat and IND has a great offensive line.
As a raging OSU homer it is very clear to me - Carlos Hyde has never been able to hold Ingram's jock.massraider said:Interesting to me that CEH's selection solidified 1.1 overall, which I don't argue with, but Dobbins' spot doesn't lock him in the top 3. Because of Ingram? Anyone remember when Chubb fell because he was in a share with Hyde? This is eerily similar to me.
DIfference is, Chubb was playing for the Browns. Dobbins landed on the Ravens. There's, ummm, a lot of fantasy points to be had in BAL.
Furthermore, if the Chiefs had drafted Duvernay, how bug would the discussion be? I feel like people aren't excited enough about BAL offense.
I think it's because the Baltimore offense is unorthodox and Ingram is there. I mean, the offense is great but you have to worry about Dobbins not getting receptions in PPR (Jackson runs instead of throwing to backs) and Duvernay is a slot guy, and Lamar doesn't throw underneath like that a ton. He tends to air it out a bit. His aDOT was 8th in the league last year.massraider said:Interesting to me that CEH's selection solidified 1.1 overall, which I don't argue with, but Dobbins' spot doesn't lock him in the top 3. Because of Ingram? Anyone remember when Chubb fell because he was in a share with Hyde? This is eerily similar to me.
DIfference is, Chubb was playing for the Browns. Dobbins landed on the Ravens. There's, ummm, a lot of fantasy points to be had in BAL.
Furthermore, if the Chiefs had drafted Duvernay, how bug would the discussion be? I feel like people aren't excited enough about BAL offense.
That's very fair about Ingram. Lot can change in a year. Chubb owners, like myself, couldn't foresee Kareem Hunt appearing. Whoever replaces Ingram matters more than Ingram there for a year.I think it's because the Baltimore offense is unorthodox and Ingram is there. I mean, the offense is great but you have to worry about Dobbins not getting receptions in PPR (Jackson runs instead of throwing to backs) and Duvernay is a slot guy, and Lamar doesn't throw underneath like that a ton. He tends to air it out a bit. His aDOT was 8th in the league last year.
So it's probably situational why guys aren't as excited as they should be. I'd be excited but for...
they seem to be saying. And a large part of that is nobody wants to wait a year. The values of assets always depreciate over a year.
He is not going to throw for the same attempts/TDs rate, that's for sure. And to keep himself on the field, he's going to have to pick his spots to run a little bit more than he does now. But I don't see the leopard changing spots, so to speak. That said, you're likely right, and there will less Lamar en toto offense, but there won't be as much total offense in terms of points either. He'll regress, and the fantasy distribution yards will indeed come from somewhere, even if he isn't as efficient with his opportunities to put up raw team point totals. In other words, runs down, yards up passing, not as many points for the Ravens as this will expose inefficiencies in his game to an extent.I know there is regression in Lamar's future, history says so. And if that regression comes from Lamar running less, that might mean a fairly large increase in yards and TDs elsewhere.
Dobbins is replacing Ingram if you ask me. It will be Dobbins and Gus Edwards going forward.That's very fair about Ingram. Lot can change in a year. Chubb owners, like myself, couldn't foresee Kareem Hunt appearing. Whoever replaces Ingram matters more than Ingram there for a year.
I know there is regression in Lamar's future, history says so. And if that regression comes from Lamar running less, that might mean a fairly large increase in yards and TDs elsewhere.
Not this year he isn't. Ingram will definitely be the 1A in 2020. Also, I believe Justice Hill will eventually be Dobbins' back up, not Gus Edwards.Dobbins is replacing Ingram if you ask me. It will be Dobbins and Gus Edwards going forward.
Ingram may hold onto the 1A for this year, though I think he'll be 1B by year's end. I had high hopes for Justice Hill, but I don't think he plays much at all this year. Edwards has proven himself as a very good runner and I don't Hill will overtake him.Not this year he isn't. Ingram will definitely be the 1A in 2020. Also, I believe Justice Hill will eventually be Dobbins' back up, not Gus Edwards.
I didn't know you got him. You should be happy you did. He looks awesome and will have a clearer path next year provided things work out for him and Baltimore doesn't bring Ingram back.Ingram caught 26 balls and had 5 receiving TDs last year, so I think RB passes are perhaps more of the Ravens redzone package than people realize. Only another 15 receptions to Edwards and Hill, but I think it's fair to pencil Dobbins in for ~30/year once Ingram is out of the picture. The TD upside in this offense is absurd and I'm still surprised I was able to get him. I have no doubt that his ceiling is capped this year, but that might change by the time the fantasy playoffs roll around. Happens with rookie RBs all the time. But with the TD upside I think he will be startable even with Ingram having a role. I think it's fair to say Edwards and Hill will be mostly afterthoughts.
I'm stoked I got him.I didn't know you got him. You should be happy you did. He looks awesome and will have a clearer path next year provided things work out for him and Baltimore doesn't bring Ingram back.
that word doesn't come across in print the way it would if I spoke itI'm stoked I got him.
Likely not. One will have to imagine, I guess.that word doesn't come across in print the way it would if I spoke it